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Title: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: MU Buff on June 12, 2013, 01:48:40 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/terrific25/sort/rank/order/true (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/terrific25/sort/rank/order/true)

2014
33 Ahmed Hill
51 Kaleb Joseph
57 Paul White
70 Sandy Cohen
76 Jared Terrell
83 Quadri Moore
Sean O'Mara not in the top 100 although he is listed as a 4 star and #17 C
Malek Harris is a 3 star

2015
4 Diamond Stone
9 Charles Matthews
29 Henry Ellenson
32 D.J. Williams
52 Austin Grandstaff
56 Nick Noskowiak
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 12, 2013, 02:41:14 PM
Diamond stone is number 4 now?! Ugh why bother going after people that low (didn't feel like teal on my phone)
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: nyg on June 12, 2013, 02:42:38 PM
Nick N. shot up the charts with a bullet, good for him. 
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Pakuni on June 12, 2013, 02:45:37 PM
Quote from: nyg on June 12, 2013, 02:42:38 PM
Nick N. shot up the charts with a bullet, good for him. 

The Marquette effect.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: BrewCity83 on June 12, 2013, 02:49:05 PM
Grandstaff is holding firm.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: warriorchick on June 12, 2013, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on June 12, 2013, 02:49:05 PM
Grandstaff is holding firm.

Don't start.......
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Jay Bee on June 12, 2013, 03:06:41 PM
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on June 12, 2013, 02:49:05 PM
Grandstaff is holding firm.

There goes MU's chances.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Litehouse on June 12, 2013, 03:34:12 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on June 12, 2013, 02:45:37 PM
The Marquette effect.

Cohen coming in at 70 is nice too.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 12, 2013, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on June 12, 2013, 02:49:05 PM
Grandstaff is holding firm.

Nice to hear he has a good grasp on things.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on June 12, 2013, 05:06:39 PM
Wow, good for Noskowiak. Also, only player in the top 60 committed so far.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on June 12, 2013, 05:14:30 PM
Seventh Woods only #14 in 2016? Blasphemous!
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: BM1090 on June 12, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
Riley LaChance from Brookfield, WI  also broke into the top 100 at #97
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Marqus Howard on June 12, 2013, 05:59:52 PM
Haven't Buzz and Duane been recruiting Rashad Vaughn? (#11)
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: QuetteHoops on June 12, 2013, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on June 12, 2013, 05:59:52 PM
Haven't Buzz and Duane been recruiting Rashad Vaughn? (#11)

Yes, but Kentucky and UNC seem to have the inside track now.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Jay Bee on June 12, 2013, 08:07:09 PM
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on June 12, 2013, 05:14:30 PM
Seventh Woods only #14 in 2016? Blasphemous!

Nah... that's fair. Amazing athlete, but has work to do.

Harry Giles is the absolute TRUTH. INSANELY good. NBA superstar.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: NYWarrior on June 12, 2013, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on June 12, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
Riley LaChance from Brookfield, WI  also broke into the top 100 at #97

His father Tommy was a walk-on during the O'Neil era
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: martyconlonontherun on June 12, 2013, 08:54:42 PM
We have 4? spots open for '14?

What would be a good realistic class?
Cohen, White, O'Mara, and a Buzz curve ball we didn't see coming?
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: martyconlonontherun on June 12, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
Looking at our roster, is there any good JUCO recruiting sites that show available big men?
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 12, 2013, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on June 12, 2013, 08:54:42 PM
We have 4? spots open for '14?

What would be a good realistic class?
Cohen, White, O'Mara, and a Buzz curve ball we didn't see coming?

White is not impossible, but I wouldn't call him realistic either.  Buzz might be waiting on Goodluck and Quadri Moore before offering O'Mara.

Myles Turner has risen to #10.  Oh, well.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: TeamOh on June 12, 2013, 10:38:20 PM
Quote from: NYWarrior on June 12, 2013, 08:12:38 PM
His father Tommy was a walk-on during the O'Neil era

His father Tommy is also an overcontrolling nutjob.  Steer clear.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Rockmic87 on June 13, 2013, 12:25:40 AM
2014 does not look strong for us. Will Cohen be our highest rated prospect?
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: MU Buff on June 13, 2013, 01:22:48 AM
Pretty crazy that Riley LaChance made it in the top 100.  I haven't heard or seen much about him.

I don't think Rashad Vaughn is in play for Marquette any longer.

If I had to guess, I'd say Buzz's 2014 class will include Sandy Cohen, Malek Harris, and a center (Quadri Moore, Sean O'Mara, JUCO).  Not sure what he's thinking for that last spot yet.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: keefe on June 13, 2013, 01:44:10 AM
Quote from: Litehouse on June 12, 2013, 03:34:12 PM
Cohen coming in at 70 is nice too.

Grandstaff came already
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: BCHoopster on June 13, 2013, 07:58:53 AM
Quote from: I don't care on June 13, 2013, 01:22:48 AM
Pretty crazy that Riley LaChance made it in the top 100.  I haven't heard or seen much about him.

I don't think Rashad Vaughn is in play for Marquette any longer.

If I had to guess, I'd say Buzz's 2014 class will include Sandy Cohen, Malek Harris, and a center (Quadri Moore, Sean O'Mara, JUCO).  Not sure what he's thinking for that last spot yet.

If this is the class, it would be fine but it was not exactly what MU was looking for.  For MU to become elite, they need to bring in a Top 20 kid so they stay in the Top 20.  Diamond
Stone will have to be the one.  If Buzz can not land him, I am sure he will be thinking much like Tom Crean that is hard to get MU to the next level.  There is nothing wrong with the last
3 years but I am sure Buzz wants more.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: MU82 on June 13, 2013, 08:34:38 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 13, 2013, 07:58:53 AM
If this is the class, it would be fine but it was not exactly what MU was looking for.  For MU to become elite, they need to bring in a Top 20 kid so they stay in the Top 20.  Diamond
Stone will have to be the one.  If Buzz can not land him, I am sure he will be thinking much like Tom Crean that is hard to get MU to the next level.  There is nothing wrong with the last
3 years but I am sure Buzz wants more.

Buzz to Indiana.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 13, 2013, 08:43:36 AM
Quote from: keefe on June 13, 2013, 01:44:10 AM
Grandstaff came already

Mike Hunt was hoping for more.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: keefe on June 13, 2013, 10:15:54 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 13, 2013, 08:43:36 AM
Mike Hunt was hoping for more.

Grandstaff is growing in stature
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Atticus on June 13, 2013, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 12, 2013, 09:45:27 PM
White is not impossible, but I wouldn't call him realistic either.  Buzz might be waiting on Goodluck and Quadri Moore before offering O'Mara.

Myles Turner has risen to #10.  Oh, well.

Goodluck's preferred school is UK but they havent offerred. If they do, it prob wont be until spring. He also received an offer from Duke this week...  I dont think Okonoboh is a realistic option (and throw in UL, UConn and SU).
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Aughnanure on June 13, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 13, 2013, 07:58:53 AM
If this is the class, it would be fine but it was not exactly what MU was looking for.  For MU to become elite, they need to bring in a Top 20 kid so they stay in the Top 20.  Diamond
Stone will have to be the one.  If Buzz can not land him, I am sure he will be thinking much like Tom Crean that is hard to get MU to the next level.  There is nothing wrong with the last
3 years but I am sure Buzz wants more.

We've been in (and stayed in) the Top 20 many times in the past decade and not one recruit has been ranked in the top 20.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Atticus on June 13, 2013, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: Aughnanure on June 13, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
We've been in (and stayed in) the Top 20 many times in the past decade and not one recruit has been ranked in the top 20.

Are rankings even meaningful? How a prospect fits into a coach's system is far more important than any other criteria...and ranking systems dont do that.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: willie warrior on June 13, 2013, 10:41:48 AM
Grandstaff will be exploding down low as he rises further with each stroke. He will not be denied and whenever he sees the hole he will be ramming it in, provided there are no double dribble calls.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: wadesworld on June 13, 2013, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: willie warrior on June 13, 2013, 10:41:48 AM
Grandstaff will be exploding down low as he rises further with each stroke. He will not be denied and whenever he sees the hole he will be ramming it in, provided there are no double dribble calls.

...this is getting kind of weird.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: willie warrior on June 13, 2013, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: keefe on June 13, 2013, 01:44:10 AM
Grandstaff came already
Never fear--he has tremendous upside and durability, along with stamina of a race horse. Put bluntly, he is a stud!
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: LAMUfan on June 13, 2013, 10:46:32 AM
that guy cannot be on our team, I just cant take it
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Pakuni on June 13, 2013, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on June 13, 2013, 10:43:28 AM
...this is getting kind of weird.

It's certainly not getting clever.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on June 13, 2013, 10:52:02 AM
Hard to understand how NC and Kentucky can fill up their sports dorms with 30-40 basketball players.  It makes it tough on other schools to recruit.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: wadesworld on June 13, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2013, 10:47:22 AM
It's certainly not getting clever.

Agreed.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: MU Buff on June 13, 2013, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 13, 2013, 07:58:53 AM
If this is the class, it would be fine but it was not exactly what MU was looking for.  For MU to become elite, they need to bring in a Top 20 kid so they stay in the Top 20.  Diamond
Stone will have to be the one.  If Buzz can not land him, I am sure he will be thinking much like Tom Crean that is hard to get MU to the next level.  There is nothing wrong with the last
3 years but I am sure Buzz wants more.

A class like the one I suggested certainly wouldn't have the top end guys we are hoping for, but it would still be a solid class following up on his 2013 haul.  Sandy Cohen will be top 100 by all ratings services.  Malek Harris has had a great last couple months and very well could end up in the top 100.  In fact, Reggie Rankin put him in his "12 players on the cusp of the ESPN 100" list.  Quadri Moore is a 4 star center and Sean O'Mara is not far behind.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: martyconlonontherun on June 13, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: I don't care on June 13, 2013, 11:09:29 AM
A class like the one I suggested certainly wouldn't have the top end guys we are hoping for, but it would still be a solid class following up on his 2013 haul.  Sandy Cohen will be top 100 by all ratings services.  Malek Harris has had a great last couple months and very well could end up in the top 100.  In fact, Reggie Rankin put him in his "12 players on the cusp of the ESPN 100" list.  Quadri Moore is a 4 star center and Sean O'Mara is not far behind.
I also think people forget there are only 100 top 100 recruits. After duke, Kentucky and some of the blue bloods get there 4 a piece it is hard for teams to get 3 yearly like we have been doing. There are a lot of d-1 schools out there competing for these guys. If we get 3 every year with a few of them being top 50, we are in pretty good shape. MU has been about developing a team, not one year wonders. (Though I would gladly take them)
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: MUSF on June 13, 2013, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: Atticus on June 13, 2013, 10:41:21 AM
Are rankings even meaningful? How a prospect fits into a coach's system is far more important than any other criteria...and ranking systems dont do that.

Truly elite talent fits everybody's system.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 13, 2013, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: MUSF on June 13, 2013, 12:20:52 PM
Truly elite talent fits everybody's system.

If it doesn't you'd better think about getting a new system.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Jay Bee on June 13, 2013, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: Atticus on June 13, 2013, 10:41:21 AM
Are rankings even meaningful?

Generally speaking, yes. Top 10 vs. 11-20 vs. 21-30 you can historically see this has been the case.

After that it gets a lot murkier.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: boyonthedock on June 13, 2013, 04:43:26 PM
The class after a good deep class is usually weaker, right? guys don't want to sit for 3 years?
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Atticus on June 13, 2013, 04:54:17 PM
Quote from: boyonthedock on June 13, 2013, 04:43:26 PM
The class after a good deep class is usually weaker, right? guys don't want to sit for 3 years?

If kids jump to the NBA after a year (or even two), then a weak class shouldnt happen. If no one leaves then its a tougher sell since programs like UK will have minutes.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: willie warrior on June 13, 2013, 08:20:23 PM
Quote from: boyonthedock on June 13, 2013, 04:43:26 PM
The class after a good deep class is usually weaker, right? guys don't want to sit for 3 years?
Speaking of good and deep, Grandstaff qualifies.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: MU Buff on June 13, 2013, 09:30:35 PM
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on June 12, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
Looking at our roster, is there any good JUCO recruiting sites that show available big men?

http://www.jucorecruiting.com/ (http://www.jucorecruiting.com/)

Easily the best site for JUCO's that I've seen.
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 15, 2013, 03:47:53 AM
Glad to see that Marquette education didn't spoil our ability to make penis jokes

On a serious note. It's great to see that we are the only school to have an ESPN 60 recruit already. Buzz is working way ahead of schedule
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: MUSF on June 15, 2013, 08:33:48 AM
Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2013, 10:47:22 AM
It's certainly not getting clever.

You see Grandstaff sounds like it could be a euphemism for penis. Get it, grand-staff. Hilarious. ::)
Title: Re: New 2014 ESPN 100, 2015 60, 2016 25
Post by: Eldon on June 16, 2013, 01:27:31 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 13, 2013, 07:58:53 AM
If this is the class, it would be fine but it was not exactly what MU was looking for.  For MU to become elite, they need to bring in a Top 20 kid so they stay in the Top 20.  Diamond
Stone will have to be the one.  If Buzz can not land him, I am sure he will be thinking much like Tom Crean that is hard to get MU to the next level.  There is nothing wrong with the last
3 years but I am sure Buzz wants more.

Chicken or egg.  Do you get good recruits and then go to a FF or do you go to a FF and then the good recruits come?  We keep winning consistently, making it far in the tourney, and keep our draft streak going, the top 20 recruits will start coming.  Easier said than done, of course.  Hopefully, Buzz keeps up the good work.  And more importantly, the BOT keeps basketball as a priority.
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