The Big East loses six of its top seven teams in terms of TV ratings anf will only have three in the top-50 going into next season.
How steep will the ratings hit be? http://bit.ly/17CHW4H
Pain Touches? I think that's ZFB's website.
Busted.
Quote from: pux90mex on June 10, 2013, 12:49:26 PM
The Big East loses six of its top seven teams in terms of TV ratings anf will only have three in the top-50 going into next season.
How steep will the ratings hit be? http://bit.ly/17CHW4H
But 6 in the top 58. The problem, of course, will be nobody in the top ten. I wonder how Gonzaga does with all those games against unranked conference opponents?
Hopefully, the entire league gets some boost from being the featured league on a new sports station. Maybe they'll get the effect that WGN created for the Cubs when the Cubs got a national following due to WGN getting included in cable packages. Of course, day games helped there too. Every other collegiate basketball program will have to compete with 100 other programs to get time on ESPN and ESPN2.
I think that St. John's improving team will give us a boost in the top TV market, as well. Now if we can just get the DePaul ball rolling.
Is any conference pulling in monster ratings? College hoops does pretty poorly across the board.
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 10, 2013, 01:00:49 PM
Hopefully, the entire league gets some boost from being the featured league on a new sports station.
Well, maybe. But I'm expecting the opposite effect. We are moving from being a featured league on ESPN, without question the place to go for college basketball games, to being the featured league on a network that is not even in existence yet. That by itself has got to hurt ratings quite a bit.
I'm excited about the new league, but I think it's going to feel a lot more like the old A-10 than the old Big East.
Quote from: Groin_pull on June 10, 2013, 01:03:32 PM
Is any conference pulling in monster ratings? College hoops does pretty poorly across the board.
ACC might tip the scale this year.
Quote from: frozena pizza on June 10, 2013, 01:13:28 PM
Well, maybe. But I'm expecting the opposite effect. We are moving from being a featured league on ESPN, without question the place to go for college basketball games, to being the featured league on a network that is not even in existence yet. That by itself has got to hurt ratings quite a bit.
I'm excited about the new league, but I think it's going to feel a lot more like the old A-10 than the old Big East.
I'm sure that Fox will pump promo dollars into getting the new station established. That should help.
I wouldn't worry. We're in the Bigs with Fox. I would worry if we were not on Fox.
Size matters. When you look at the ratings list, the vast majority of the schools ahead of MU are larger schools. Makes sense, since a larger school means more students and alums to naturally follow the program. Add to that the fact that many are flagship state schools, and you get many non-alums following the school just because it's "their state school." How else do you explain Minnesota at #9, Maryland at #15...and MU at #37?
I suspect we'll do fine the first few years because the BE will be featured on Fox, while many of the other conferences will be fighting for time slots on ESPN. Long term success will depend heavily on how well the teams produce on the court.
Quote from: keefe on June 10, 2013, 01:22:42 PM
I wouldn't worry. We're in the Bigs with Fox. I would worry if we were not on Fox.
If nothing else I'm expecting to see some top notch sideline girls at the BC.
B1G was number one last year in average rating per espn game. ACC was #2. I think SEC was #3.
The BE, even with the top teams leaving, wasnt a ratings hit. Too many small, private schools.
http://painttouches.com/2013/06/10/bleak-ratings-outlook-for-big-east-and-fox-sports-1/
A little better off than the early days of the old American Football League. The schools need to use the Fox money to build for the future and Fox needs to market, market, market.
I wish Blue was still around. he would have been featured repeatedly by Fox.
Quote from: strotty on June 10, 2013, 07:04:49 PM
http://painttouches.com/2013/06/10/bleak-ratings-outlook-for-big-east-and-fox-sports-1/
Don't worry, football is going to collapse any day now and people will flock to hoops. :o
Not everyone is going to carry Fox Sports One in the first year, which will only dilute those numbers even more.
Quote from: strotty on June 10, 2013, 07:04:49 PM
http://painttouches.com/2013/06/10/bleak-ratings-outlook-for-big-east-and-fox-sports-1/
What's your analysis look like for Big 12, Pac 12, and SEC from last year? I can't imagine it differentiates all that much then the Big East teams (for next year).
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 10, 2013, 07:52:34 PM
Don't worry, football is going to collapse any day now and people will flock to hoops. :o
Are you speaking of Notre Dame's last game in January?
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 10, 2013, 01:18:51 PM
I'm sure that Fox will pump promo dollars into getting the new station established. That should help.
These promos will be Gus Johnson screaming his ass off. Even promos excite him.
Fox Reportedly Packaging Super Bowl Ad Sales With Fox Sports 1 Sponsorship
Published June 18, 2013
Fox will televise Super Bowl XLVIII on Feb. 2, 2014, and to "get one of the valuable ad slots available during the network's broadcast of the game, sponsors have been told they must buy time in other Fox Sports content ... with emphasis placed on Fox Sports 1," according to sources cited by Brian Steinberg of VARIETY. A source said that using the Super Bowl to gain ad support for other sports properties "has become de rigeur in recent years." Both NBC and CBS "tied the purchase of Super Bowl ad time to buying a broader package of ad inventory in sports content." This wrinkle "surfaces as all the broadcasters save ABC (whose parent already owns ESPN) develop flanking sports outlets on cable." A source said that Fox is "open to the purchase of ad packages that do not include FS1, such as the Super Bowl pre-game show ... but the emerging network is getting most of the spotlight in pitches to advertisers." Sources said that as a "result of the packaging, Fox's Super Bowl ad sales may be pacing behind last year's effort from CBS." A Fox Sports spokesperson in an e-mail said, "We're anticipating a very healthy marketplace for the NY/NJ Super Bowl in 2014" (VARIETY.com, 6/17).
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 10, 2013, 07:52:34 PM
Don't worry, football is going to collapse any day now and people will flock to hoops. :o
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-lem-barney-20130618,0,4600232.story?track=rss
Quote from: tower912 on June 18, 2013, 02:52:29 PM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-lem-barney-20130618,0,4600232.story?track=rss
I read it yesterday and had to chuckle. Mr. Barney apparently needs to get caught up on the financial side of things. Here we are in 2013 and boxing is still alive, MMA, etc.....let alone stadiums holding 90K+, billions of dollars in contracts, etc. Not going anywhere.
Quote from: keefe on June 10, 2013, 01:22:42 PM
I wouldn't worry. We're in the Bigs with Fox. I would worry if we were not on Fox.
I'm only worried that I won't be able to watch streaming games like I could these last couple of years on ESPN3. I hope like heck Fox will have an equivalent because I've gotten really spoiled!
Quote from: MU82 on June 18, 2013, 11:49:08 PM
I'm only worried that I won't be able to watch streaming games like I could these last couple of years on ESPN3. I hope like heck Fox will have an equivalent because I've gotten really spoiled!
Completely agree. I'd find it really odd for a *new* channel to launch in 2013 and not have a really strong online/streaming component, but I wouldn't be shocked. They'll have to play nice with the distributors and advertisers to make a go of it.
As for ratings outlook, I can see the concern and really have to hope Fox is out to punch ESPN in the mouth. That means advertising the new network during NFL games, the Super Bowl, and any other big event Fox broadcasts.
It'll be interesting. Seems to me Fox wasn't supposed to be able to compete when they got the NFL contract. They're doing alright now!
Quote from: MU82 on June 18, 2013, 11:49:08 PM
I'm only worried that I won't be able to watch streaming games like I could these last couple of years on ESPN3. I hope like heck Fox will have an equivalent because I've gotten really spoiled!
I'm spending the next three days with them in Vegas....I'll get the low down on streaming for you.
Quote from: keefe on June 10, 2013, 08:37:36 PM
Are you speaking of Notre Dame's last game in January?
Keefe: you should be reading the tea leaves. When the PC preachers like Costas, Wilbon, etc. get on the football needs to be legislated for violence kick, and Goodell putting skirts on the QB's, and college administrators being even more PC than Costas, the inevitable collapse of football is out there within the next decade. Then they need to go after NASCAR--how about those terrible crashes and lack of female drivers? And finally thoroughbred horse racing: after all think of the cruelty to those horses.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 24, 2013, 08:34:19 AM
Keefe: you should be reading the tea leaves. When the PC preachers like Costas, Wilbon, etc. get on the football needs to be legislated for violence kick, and Goodell putting skirts on the QB's, and college administrators being even more PC than Costas, the inevitable collapse of football is out there within the next decade. Then they need to go after NASCAR--how about those terrible crashes and lack of female drivers? And finally thoroughbred horse racing: after all think of the cruelty to those horses.
Lol...no.
And no one really listens to Costas or Wilbon anyway.
Quote from: MU82 on June 18, 2013, 11:49:08 PM
I'm only worried that I won't be able to watch streaming games like I could these last couple of years on ESPN3. I hope like heck Fox will have an equivalent because I've gotten really spoiled!
I've spent the last few days here in Vegas with them....good meetings and fun times.
You will get streaming. They are launching an app in August called Fox Sports Go which will aggregate Fox Sports One, Fox Sports Two, their Fox RSNs, etc, etc into one app. All based on authentication of what channels you subscribe to with your pay television subscription. Streaming will be available in home and out of home.
Now, I can't emphasize this enough....in my opinion based on working the room with folks from Cablevision, Time Warner, Dish, Comcast, Charter, Fios, Uverse, etc, etc.....not everyone has a deal yet and there ar some complex issues that go into it. Do I think deals will be done? Most likely, but they may not all happen in August and you may see some delay until next year when they get their MLB content. Just a guess, but we will see how it shakes out in the coming months.
I was thrilled to see their branding and marketing approach...the Big East will benefit quite nicely. They have the absolute best working on this stuff which is great to see.
With RCN, I'm guessing I may have to switch my cable provider this fall.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 26, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
I've spent the last few days here in Vegas with them....good meetings and fun times.
You will get streaming. They are launching an app in August called Fox Sports Go which will aggregate Fox Sports One, Fox Sports Two, their Fox RSNs, etc, etc into one app. All based on authentication of what channels you subscribe to with your pay television subscription. Streaming will be available in home and out of home.
Now, I can't emphasize this enough....in my opinion based on working the room with folks from Cablevision, Time Warner, Dish, Comcast, Charter, Fios, Uverse, etc, etc.....not everyone has a deal yet and there ar some complex issues that go into it. Do I think deals will be done? Most likely, but they may not all happen in August and you may see some delay until next year when they get their MLB content. Just a guess, but we will see how it shakes out in the coming months.
I was thrilled to see their branding and marketing approach...the Big East will benefit quite nicely. They have the absolute best working on this stuff which is great to see.
As long as they work it out before our first game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 26, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
I've spent the last few days here in Vegas with them....good meetings and fun times.
You will get streaming. They are launching an app in August called Fox Sports Go which will aggregate Fox Sports One, Fox Sports Two, their Fox RSNs, etc, etc into one app. All based on authentication of what channels you subscribe to with your pay television subscription. Streaming will be available in home and out of home.
The magic that is Scoop in action!
Big East basketball night will be Thursday night and possibly another night.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 26, 2013, 12:48:13 PM
Big East basketball night will be Thursday night and possibly another night.
Is that just a featured nite or will the BE be playing a Thursday / Saturday schedule, for example...?
Quote from: Nukem2 on June 26, 2013, 01:04:26 PM
Is that just a featured nite or will the BE be playing a Thursday / Saturday schedule, for example...?
Featured night like it was Monday night on ESPN. That's about what I know thus far, all still developing..
Where does the Big East fit on the schedule?
"In general, Big East basketball will be concentrated on Monday and Thursday nights, as well as Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. We only have 24 Golden Boy fights and some are expected to move to Tuesdays during college basketball season." -Fox Sports Media Group co-presidents and COOs Randy Freer and Eric Shanks
http://www.multichannel.com/cable-tv-conventions/qa-fox-sports-1-execs-gear-rollout/143862
Quote from: pux90mex on June 26, 2013, 01:44:28 PM
Where does the Big East fit on the schedule?
"In general, Big East basketball will be concentrated on Monday and Thursday nights, as well as Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. We only have 24 Golden Boy fights and some are expected to move to Tuesdays during college basketball season." -Fox Sports Media Group co-presidents and COOs Randy Freer and Eric Shanks
http://www.multichannel.com/cable-tv-conventions/qa-fox-sports-1-execs-gear-rollout/143862
Yesterday, there was no mention of Mondays at all. Weekends, yes, but it wasn't concrete on the schedule. Basically they were laying out at a high level what was going to be on consistently on what days. 130 games in all, though some of them are Pac-12 and C-USA...they couldn't break down the number of Big East games for me, but they said they will get back to me. They thought close to 100. Big East Tournament, obviously, will also be on Fox Sports One.
Had the good fortune to dine with someone that will be the "voice" of the games. He was quite entertaining along with a few other Fox celebs. They're definitely excited about the product and will help to push the Big East brand quite a bit.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 10, 2013, 07:52:34 PM
Not everyone is going to carry Fox Sports One in the first year, which will only dilute those numbers even more.
Maybe, maybe not. One of the big reasons Fox is flipping Speed Channel over to Fox Sports 1 is the 81 million subscriber base, which could ensure a relatively strong level of accessibility right from the get-go.
The key is going to be how negotiations between News Corp (the parent company that owns all Fox networks) and television providers goes, specifically in terms of sub fees which take the form of a dollar amount per subscriber paid from the provider to the network. With Fox Sports
Quote from: ahovestol on June 26, 2013, 07:05:24 PM
Maybe, maybe not. One of the big reasons Fox is flipping Speed Channel over to Fox Sports 1 is the 81 million subscriber base, which could ensure a relatively strong level of accessibility right from the get-go.
The key is going to be how negotiations between News Corp (the parent company that owns all Fox networks) and television providers goes, specifically in terms of sub fees which take the form of a dollar amount per subscriber paid from the provider to the network. With Fox Sports
Actually, that's the rub. Fox can't just "flip it over" and say here's our new channel that will be rebranded to FS One, and oh by the way the cost is different, etc, etc. It's central to the issue, especially since some services have Speed and their contracts read that Fox can't do that, while other services do not have Speed at all which means it is a brand new channel launch. Fun times.
Hasn't Fox followed a set model with start up or re-packed channels practically giving away the product to get exposure? I seem to remember that the Fox News start of contracts were almost giveaways to to the cable companies.
The game is get exposure and numbers and when renewal comes up get your money from the cable and satellite providers.
Chicos, thanks for all the information; please keep it coming.
What channels are these Fox broadcasts going to be on in Chicago if I have Comcast.
Quote from: TheTulsaWarrior on June 26, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
Hasn't Fox followed a set model with start up or re-packed channels practically giving away the product to get exposure? I seem to remember that the Fox News start of contracts were almost giveaways to to the cable companies.
The game is get exposure and numbers and when renewal comes up get your money from the cable and satellite providers.
No set model really, each is different. With Fox News the cost to produce that channel, especially at launch, was not that expensive. With all the rights Fox has spent already on sports properties, they can't give it away as they will lose their butt.
Fun times