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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: strotty on May 27, 2013, 01:10:54 PM
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Interested to see what you make of all this, and even if you don't read the whole thing look at the point differential in Marquette/Villanova's last 7 matchups.
http://painttouches.com/2013/05/27/who-is-marquettes-new-biggest-rival/
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If DePaul can get back to at least Quentin Richardson-era good, it's a no-brainer rivalry because of both proximity and history.
Of the newbies, the two games last season certainly gives an MU-Butler rivalry a boost out of the gate. Also, Milwaukee and Indy are only 4 1/2 hours apart by car.
And I agree that Georgetown should be a good one.
I also very much hope we play ND every year.
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I think that Butler for now and DePaul should its program improve are the two best candidates. While Georgetown or Nova would be outstanding, I think they are likely to consider each other as their respective "bigget rivals," and to merit biggest rival consideration, both teams have to feel that way.
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Creighton.......?
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Creighton.......?
You're joking, right?
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You're joking, right?
Cant be worse than Providence =/
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When we first joined the Big east, Villanova was the program I hoped MU would become. They were really good then, now I hope we do not become Villanova.
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During the 3 amigos years I felt there was a nice rivalry with memorable games against the coreys at nova. I certainly hated pittsburgh back then, especially aaron gray.
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Hope it'll be Depaul if they get their stuff together. Till then I see it as Butler and GTown with Xavier being like us with Louisville where there will be a lot of good games but we'll be on the winning side most of the time. (In this example we become Louisville)
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Butler is probably the best bet simply because it already has some momentum after last year, and also puts two of the best young coaches against each other. The national media would have some recent drama to pull from to set that up...
G Town and Nova will not happen because of their east coast ties and history.
Xavier would be cool as well as I think they are a very similar program in a lot of ways to ours.
DePaul needs to get their act together as the Milwaukee Chicago rivalry makes sense...
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Butler is probably the best bet simply because it already has some momentum after last year, and also puts two of the best young coaches against each other. The national media would have some recent drama to pull from to set that up...
G Town and Nova will not happen because of their east coast ties and history.
Xavier would be cool as well as I think they are a very similar program in a lot of ways to ours.
DePaul needs to get their act together as the Milwaukee Chicago rivalry makes sense...
Some recent drama in the Xavier series too as we ended their streak of sweet 16s
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I think that it is the team that you compete with consistently for the title, geography matters but is less important. Given the above; Georgetown with Butler a close second.
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Does a rival have to be hated? If so, I am not sure there is a big rival in our conference for me. The teams I hated the most were Louisville and Syracuse followed by Pitt, Cincy & Uconn. I would not want to lose to Seton Hall, Providence and DePaul, because right now they are not very good, but I do not hate them like some of the teams we are no longer with. I think the most important team in our conference to beat is Georgetown, but I also like Georgetown.
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Does a rival have to be hated? If so, I am not sure there is a big rival in our conference for me. The teams I hated the most were Louisville and Syracuse followed by Pitt, Cincy & Uconn. I would not want to lose to Seton Hall, Providence and DePaul, because right now they are not very good, but I do not hate them like some of the teams we are no longer with. I think the most important team in our conference to beat is Georgetown, but I also like Georgetown.
I think we should all hate Butler for not being a catholic school! (Lets pretend I bothered to do teal)
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Xavier, Georgetown or Butler. G-town will probably be the biggest to start up the "new" league since we are the two strongest remaining teams/brands.
I can see Butler becoming nice as long as both coaches are around for awhile. Xavier should be good too.
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I don't really care about the new teams.
I dislike GTown. A lot.
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Creighton.......?
This isn't as silly as it seems. Creighton has a huge fan base that travels well. Nothing screams rivalry as much as having the other teams fans in your face while you're losing at home.
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This isn't as silly as it seems. Creighton has a huge fan base that travels well. Nothing screams rivalry as much as having the other teams fans in your face while you're losing at home.
We have the second longest home court winning streak.
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Definitely Georgetown and Villanova for now. After that probably the three new members. We are light years ahead of DePaul so I don't consider them a rival as much as a team you pray to God that you don't lose to like we did a few years ago.
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Creighton.......?
We do have more history against them than any team other than DePaul in the new Big East.
DePaul-112
Creighton-76
Xavier-62
Butler-29
No on else over 21.
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Georgetown and Nova.
But I expect that to change while the league shakes out the next couple of years.
It'll be whomever comes to our house and beats us a couple of times in a row. That was why I've hated Cincy and L'ville for the past 10 years.
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I think Creighton will be a great rival. Great fans, great school and they are thrilled to be in the league. Hopefully they can keep the basketball program running at a high level which I think they will. I also like that we are no longer the Western edge of the conference.
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Most great rivalries (read: except ND football) are between two schools in close proximity to one another. As much as I hope DePaul can get it together, call me a cynic as long as JLP is at the helm; so the next closest to MU is Butler. If you can't send a 10 or 20-car caravan of students to an away game with a rival, can they really be considered your biggest rival?
All great rivalries have history. Again, DePaul... blah blah... Ponsetto... blah blah. Sure there's some history with G-Town and Nova, but I would imagine the average fan would struggle to name two memorable games between MU and GTown or Nova. Using my wife as a proxy, she rattled off Dominic James' foul vs. Georgetown several years back and nothing else. I then asked her for her two most memorable games involving any team, and Butler was her answer was to both... hard-fought, back-and-forth games in both the opening round in Maui and the third-round of the tournament, both decided by a prayer three at the end? If 20 years from now MU and Butler are one of the most intense rivalries in college hoops, that rivalry will be traced back to last year, and just about every game between now and then will be showing both of those buzzer clips. Although, I would also throw a fifth school into the mix, as it's difficult to discount St. John's given the striking similarities between the two schools, not to mention how Al ties it all together.
Some great rivalries extend beyond the basketball court. If MU fulfills its recently-announced mission, then MU and Georgetown will be going head-to-head in everything from students to basketball recruits to academics to grants to faculty. With everyone else, the competition ends at the edge of the hardwood.
Many rivalries involve some sort of vitriol. It's hard to get mad at Butler, Nova or St John's, let alone anyone else in the conference... except GTown, because it's easy to hate GTown, but i) everyone hates GTown and ii) does GTown ever reciprocate? Outside of Jonathan Xavier and the two people on Butler's fanboard who honestly think Smith was fouled, does anyone in the new conference really hate MU?
Conclusion: To the harden Warrior, DePaul is the sought-after, sentimental choice, with GTown being the sure-bet. To the average fan (i.e. someone who doesn't spend more than 5 minutes/day on Scoop), Butler would be the odds-on favorite.
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and hopefully Creighton isn't the team that ends it!
We have the second longest home court winning streak.
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Georgetown and Nova.
But I expect that to change while the league shakes out the next couple of years.
It'll be whomever comes to our house and beats us a couple of times in a row. That was why I've hated Cincy and L'ville for the past 10 years.
Good criterion. Never really thought about it, but so true.
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Does a rival have to be hated? If so, I am not sure there is a big rival in our conference for me. The teams I hated the most were Louisville and Syracuse followed by Pitt, Cincy & Uconn. I would not want to lose to Seton Hall, Providence and DePaul, because right now they are not very good, but I do not hate them like some of the teams we are no longer with. I think the most important team in our conference to beat is Georgetown, but I also like Georgetown.
The ones I hated most were Notre Dame, followed by Notre Dame, Notre Dame and then, um, Notre Dame.
Gotta keep an annual game against Notre Dame.
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These are some random thoughts, in no meaningful order.
Because SoS is so important in college basketball, rivalries aren't the same as in other sports.
I root hard for Georgetown in all games (except when they play us, obviously). They go far in the tourney, it boosts our brand and puts dollars in our pockets because of the tourney credits. Plus, on the main Georgetown board (HoyaTalk?), there was some hating on us after we made it to the S16 last year, but everyone else seemed to be pulling for us. And on the other Gtown board they also seemed to like MU.
DePaul hasn't exactly "rivaled" our competition, at least in recent times.
Last games against Butler were awesome and the tourney game had that "rival feel" to it. And they are close geographically, which always helps.
We've also had some great games against St. Johns recently (BE champ clincher, JFB's buzzer-beater, them whomping us at the BC)
In any case, I think the very fact that we are debating this means that we no longer have an in-conference rival in the truest sense of the word. This is why I think it is absolutely paramount that we maintain games against Notre Dame, Lville, and Cincy, but especially Notre Dame.
EDIT: I also really miss playing West Virginia
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Once you all start meeting their douche bag fans, Butler will be as hated as anybody we play. There is nothing (and I mean NOTHING) worse than an elitist from Indiana. They're a special breed of arrogant. And from Indiana? Who would choose to live in Indiana?
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Who would choose to live in Indiana?
Uh, Tanned Tommy...
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Uh, Tanned Tommy...
And even Tanned Tommy won't do it unless they pay him to....
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T-Cubed would live in rat's nest if he was paid enough to do it and spin it as though the rat's nest was the Trump Tower.
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Once you all start meeting their douche bag fans, Butler will be as hated as anybody we play. There is nothing (and I mean NOTHING) worse than an elitist from Indiana. They're a special breed of arrogant. And from Indiana? Who would choose to live in Indiana?
My favorite take on American petit bourgeois pretensions of that sort is found in the works of Evan Connell. Connell excoriates the veneer of extreme civility that is the hallmark of upper middle class conservatism to expose the emotional repression that tears at the soul of all those doctors, lawyers, and accountants infesting Grosse Pointe, Westchester, Whitefish Bay, and the Kansas City Country Club Plaza of his own upbringing. The stifling blandness underscores the inability of anyone to relate to each other in any meaningful manner. The stark juxtaposition of cultured, educated inmates sentenced to intense alienation in gilded prisons while the uncouth, vulgar help find richly rewarding fulfillment in their human relationships reveals the corruption of those polite but artificial social constructs.
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I think for me the rivalry will come down to recruiting. The more we go after the same recruits with a particular team the more intense it gets especially if we lose a number of recruits to that team. It seemed like we never beat out Louisville for a recruit. The same for Syracuse, except we did not cross paths as often. DePaul is the most likely team for us to cross paths on the recruiting trail and if they start winning a number of these battles it will make me dispise them.
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My favorite take on American petit bourgeois pretensions of that sort is found in the works of Evan Connell. Connell excoriates the veneer of extreme civility that is the hallmark of upper middle class conservatism to expose the emotional repression that tears at the soul of all those doctors, lawyers, and accountants infesting Grosse Pointe, Westchester, Whitefish Bay, and the Kansas City Country Club Plaza of his own upbringing. The stifling blandness underscores the inability of anyone to relate to each other in any meaningful manner. The stark juxtaposition of cultured, educated inmates sentenced to intense alienation in gilded prisons while the uncouth, vulgar help find richly rewarding fulfillment in their human relationships reveals the corruption of those polite but artificial social constructs.
There are a whole lot of those at the Bradley Center, too.
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Creighton.......?
Creighton's president was in town few weeks ago to talk to Milwaukee area Creighton alums at a fundraiser at the Wisconsin club. He mentioned that the Milwaukee area Creighton alumni club was already planning on getting a huge block of tickets for local alums. They have a rabid fan base and travel well. They always have the most fans at the Missouri Valley tourney. When there are 100s of Jays fans at the BC, it will quickly become a rivalry.
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Creighton's president was in town few weeks ago to talk to Milwaukee area Creighton alums at a fundraiser at the Wisconsin club. He mentioned that the Milwaukee area Creighton alumni club was already planning on getting a huge block of tickets for local alums. They have a rabid fan base and travel well. They always have the most fans at the Missouri Valley tourney. When there are 100s of Jays fans at the BC, it will quickly become a rivalry.
Creighton would be a good rivalry.
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My favorite take on American petit bourgeois pretensions of that sort is found in the works of Evan Connell. Connell excoriates the veneer of extreme civility that is the hallmark of upper middle class conservatism to expose the emotional repression that tears at the soul of all those doctors, lawyers, and accountants infesting Grosse Pointe, Westchester, Whitefish Bay, and the Kansas City Country Club Plaza of his own upbringing. The stifling blandness underscores the inability of anyone to relate to each other in any meaningful manner. The stark juxtaposition of cultured, educated inmates sentenced to intense alienation in gilded prisons while the uncouth, vulgar help find richly rewarding fulfillment in their human relationships reveals the corruption of those polite but artificial social constructs.
Damn, I was just thinking the same thing!
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Unfortunately I think this moves Bucky up the ladder, because our previous biggest rivals (Louisville, Notre Dame, Pitt, etc.) are no longer on the schedule.
I think right now, the rivalry order is
1. UW
2. Georgetown
3. Nova
4. Xavier
5. Butler
6. Creighton
7. DePaul
This can and will change. Expect Xavier, Butler and Creighton to move up as we now play them regularly. Georgetown or Nova could become our biggest rival. If DePaul ever gets better they will quickly move up as well.
I don't think UW will be our biggest rival but right now I think they are because of the tradition and the fact we are still playing them every year. I really wish we could get a home-and-home deal done with ND. Just for the sake of the rivalry. Louisville would be nice too but I don't see that happening.
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The ones I hated most were Notre Dame, followed by Notre Dame, Notre Dame and then, um, Notre Dame.
Gotta keep an annual game against Notre Dame.
I heard from an extremely reliable source that the AD at Notre Dame is all for an annual game, but Mike Brey doesn't want it. Kitten.
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I heard from an extremely reliable source that the AD at Notre Dame is all for an annual game, but Mike Brey doesn't want it. Kitten.
I heard substantially the same thing, except only that "one person" is standing in the way. Had no clue who that person was, although I was thinking it could even be someone on MU's side slowing things down (considering the non-con schedule already lined up for next year, ND falls closer to a luxury than a necessity as far as SOS).
It never occurred to me that Brey was the one who might be holding things up... of everyone at either school, Brey would have been at the top of the list of those who I think would champion the idea. "Kitten" is an understatement, even as a euphemism, if that's the case.
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I think Butler will move up on the list over the upcoming years.
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I heard substantially the same thing, except only that "one person" is standing in the way. Had no clue who that person was, although I was thinking it could even be someone on MU's side slowing things down (considering the non-con schedule already lined up for next year, ND falls closer to a luxury than a necessity as far as SOS).
It never occurred to me that Brey was the one who might be holding things up... of everyone at either school, Brey would have been at the top of the list of those who I think would champion the idea. "Kitten" is an understatement, even as a euphemism, if that's the case.
Oh, it's a euphemism, all right.
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Unfortunately I think this moves Bucky up the ladder, because our previous biggest rivals (Louisville, Notre Dame, Pitt, etc.) are no longer on the schedule.
I think right now, the rivalry order is
1. UW
2. Georgetown
3. Nova
4. Xavier
5. Butler
6. Creighton
7. DePaul
This can and will change. Expect Xavier, Butler and Creighton to move up as we now play them regularly. Georgetown or Nova could become our biggest rival. If DePaul ever gets better they will quickly move up as well.
I don't think UW will be our biggest rival but right now I think they are because of the tradition and the fact we are still playing them every year. I really wish we could get a home-and-home deal done with ND. Just for the sake of the rivalry. Louisville would be nice too but I don't see that happening.
Bucky was definitely above Ville and Pitt before. Maybe doesn't have the insane buzzer beating history of Ville's series but definitely is a bigger rivalry.
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Bucky was definitely above Ville and Pitt before. Maybe doesn't have the insane buzzer beating history of Ville's series but definitely is a bigger rivalry.
Maybe Pitt, Ville I'd disagree. Unfortunately, its a moot point now.
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Maybe Pitt, Ville I'd disagree. Unfortunately, its a moot point now.
I agree with Louisville. Over the last 10 years we have had some very close games with them. Which will ultimately determine the biggest rival over the next 10 years as well.
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Unfortunately I think this moves Bucky up the ladder, because our previous biggest rivals (Louisville, Notre Dame, Pitt, etc.) are no longer on the schedule.
I think right now, the rivalry order is
1. UW
2. Georgetown
3. Nova
4. Xavier
5. Butler
6. Creighton
7. DePaul
This can and will change. Expect Xavier, Butler and Creighton to move up as we now play them regularly. Georgetown or Nova could become our biggest rival. If DePaul ever gets better they will quickly move up as well.
I don't think UW will be our biggest rival but right now I think they are because of the tradition and the fact we are still playing them every year. I really wish we could get a home-and-home deal done with ND. Just for the sake of the rivalry. Louisville would be nice too but I don't see that happening.
Jim Boeheim made the observation recently that rivalries can thrive only within the context of a conference. He noted that SU's most intense rivalry was its decades-long engagement with St Bonaventure. As soon as SU joined the Big East they dropped their 60 year series with the Bonnies faster than Paris Hilton drops her panties. If you asked anyone at SU about rivalry it was GU then SJU. Boeheim predicts that their new rivalries will be defined by participation in the ACC. Frankly, I think he is correct.
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Maybe Pitt, Ville I'd disagree. Unfortunately, its a moot point now.
Bigger win= Louisville but the one that matters most to fans is Bucky. I mean if we have a losing season and beat Bucky and Notre Dame (and DePaul cause that'd just add salt to the wound) I'd still find that as a positive whereas if we just beat Louisville as a random big win it'd just be a bad loss for Louisville.
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Jim Boeheim made the observation recently that rivalries can thrive only within the context of a conference. He noted that SU's most intense rivalry was its decades-long engagement with St Bonaventure. As soon as SU joined the Big East they dropped their 60 year series with the Bonnies faster than Paris Hilton drops her panties. If you asked anyone at SU about rivalry it was GU then SJU. Boeheim predicts that their new rivalries will be defined by participation in the ACC. Frankly, I think he is correct.
I'd agree with the qualification that its not so much being in the same conference as consistently playing each other every year, which is how Bucky is still a rival. If we can keep a home and home with ND, they will remain a rival.
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Beat everyone. All the time. Then you are a rival to all.
Let us be the C-USA Cincinnati of the BEAST (without the thugs and zero graduation rate)
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Beat everyone. All the time. Then you are a rival to all.
Let us be the C-USA Cincinnati of the BEAST (without the thugs and zero graduation rate)
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I've always thought the Bucky rivalry was more of a big deal to people who live in Wisconsin. To me, a rivalry is built on close, meaningful games in March. I always cared more about beating Louisville, Georgetown, Nova, Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, and Cincy than Wisc.
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I'd agree with the qualification that its not so much being in the same conference as consistently playing each other every year, which is how Bucky is still a rival. If we can keep a home and home with ND, they will remain a rival.
Actually, Boeheim's statement was in reply to being asked if SU was going to continue something with either GU or SJU. He said essentially the GU series has become as relevant as St Bonaventure and that the important rivalries would be defined by the ACC.
As for Wisconsin, I think that game is far more important to people back in WI for many reasons than anywhere else. Personally, I place much greater emphasis on games within conference as that has a more direct impact on getting into the Dance with the best possible seed.
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totally agree about living in WI hyping the UW game, it's just really annoying not liking the badgers and living in WI. It is a can't loose game for me so I don't have to talk to people who think MU had a bad year cause UW beat them, especially when said people didn't go to UW anyway. So less about the game, more about me not snapping one day and choking a co worker ;D
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I guess my notions of a "rival" team have usually correlated with my level of disdain for the opposing coach.
Louisville + Pitino = bad
Cincy + Huggy Bear = worse
Wiscy + Bo Ryan = worst
I'm struggling to figure out how I'm going to dislike Brad Stevens...
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I'm struggling to figure out how I'm going to dislike Brad Stevens...
Indeed. He is quite the earnest young man. He is Presbyterian, no doubt. My Lothian Grandmother McElroy from Edinburgh would approve.
"A greater gift He couldny gie us than to see oorsels as ithers see us."
John Knox
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Creighton's president was in town few weeks ago to talk to Milwaukee area Creighton alums at a fundraiser at the Wisconsin club. He mentioned that the Milwaukee area Creighton alumni club was already planning on getting a huge block of tickets for local alums. They have a rabid fan base and travel well. They always have the most fans at the Missouri Valley tourney. When there are 100s of Jays fans at the BC, it will quickly become a rivalry.
We travel really well. Last year, we brought about 6-8K to St. Louis for the MVC tourney, matched and possibly outnumbered the Wisconsin fans in Vegas last year (around 2K), around 600-800 fans at Berkeley last year and there are a number of fans on our board that already booked hotels for MSG next year. We will bring several thousand to New York next year.....of course, it helps when you are good but we generally travel really well.
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totally agree about living in WI hyping the UW game, it's just really annoying not liking the badgers and living in WI. It is a can't loose game for me so I don't have to talk to people who think MU had a bad year cause UW beat them, especially when said people didn't go to UW anyway. So less about the game, more about me not snapping one day and choking a co worker ;D
This.
This right here.
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We travel really well. Last year, we brought about 6-8K to St. Louis for the MVC tourney, matched and possibly outnumbered the Wisconsin fans in Vegas last year (around 2K), around 600-800 fans at Berkeley last year and there are a number of fans on our board that already booked hotels for MSG next year. We will bring several thousand to New York next year.....of course, it helps when you are good but we generally travel really well.
I have heard that Creighton travels well...
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"The journey not the arrival matters.
T. S. Eliot
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We travel really well. Last year, we brought about 6-8K to St. Louis for the MVC tourney, matched and possibly outnumbered the Wisconsin fans in Vegas last year (around 2K), around 600-800 fans at Berkeley last year and there are a number of fans on our board that already booked hotels for MSG next year. We will bring several thousand to New York next year.....of course, it helps when you are good but we generally travel really well.
One word of caution, the only time that DePaul is really dangerous is when they are at home and the opposition fans out number their fans. Get 2,500 there between local alumni and traveling fans and you'll outnumber 'em every time.
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I have heard that Creighton travels well...
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"The journey not the arrival matters.
T. S. Eliot
Those are the MU fans partying back there and the creighton fans staring
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We need a POLL on this. Easier than sorting through the pages of posts.
My rankings:
1. Gtown (premier team, biggest marketing name in our league)
2. Butler (two excellently competitive games this season paired with the two of the hottest young coaches in D1)
3. Nova (similar playing styles, two dapperly dressed coaches)
4. Xavier (long-time rivals reunited, replaces Cincy as the Paris of America's Rival to MU)
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Georgetown.
For the forseeable future, Marquette and Georgetown will own this conference. I wouldn't be surprised to see us v. GTWN in the conference championship every year for the next three years. It will be the games in the Garden that determine our rivals and the Hoyas are who we will need to go through to win.
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We need a POLL on this. Easier than sorting through the pages of posts.
My rankings:
1. Gtown (premier team, biggest marketing name in our league)
2. Butler (two excellently competitive games this season paired with the two of the hottest young coaches in D1)
3. Nova (similar playing styles, two dapperly dressed coaches)
4. Xavier (long-time rivals reunited, replaces Cincy as the Paris of America's Rival to MU)
But if Depaul gets good suddenly the world is flipped upside down :O
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We travel really well. Last year, we brought about 6-8K to St. Louis for the MVC tourney, matched and possibly outnumbered the Wisconsin fans in Vegas last year (around 2K), around 600-800 fans at Berkeley last year and there are a number of fans on our board that already booked hotels for MSG next year. We will bring several thousand to New York next year.....of course, it helps when you are good but we generally travel really well.
My favorite professor at Marquette was a Jesuit Fr. Michael Morrison, the ex-president of Creighton. Quite a character.
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Once you all start meeting their douche bag fans, Butler will be as hated as anybody we play. There is nothing (and I mean NOTHING) worse than an elitist from Indiana. They're a special breed of arrogant. And from Indiana? Who would choose to live in Indiana?
I've lived both places and know alumni from both schools, and I've seen very few differences in the people aside from accent/dialect. Curious what it is that you think is so superior about people from Milwaukee or Wisconsin. Every school has its share of DB fans; I'm sure I've been characterized as a DB MU fan more than once.
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My favorite professor at Marquette was a Jesuit Fr. Michael Morrison, the ex-president of Creighton. Quite a character.
That's like John Q. Adams leaving the White House to return to the House of Representatives.
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That's like John Q. Adams leaving the White House to return to the House of Representatives.
Fr. Morrison started in MU's history department, was president of Creighton for almost 20 years, and then "retired" to teaching a history class or two each semester back at Marquette. Not sure if he is still there, but when I had him in 2005 he was still going strong. He looked a bit like Santa Claus and always wore suspenders over his Roman Collared shirt.
From what I understand, Creighton's soccer stadium is named in his honor.
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We need a POLL on this. Easier than sorting through the pages of posts.
My rankings:
1. Gtown (premier team, biggest marketing name in our league)
2. Butler (two excellently competitive games this season paired with the two of the hottest young coaches in D1)
3. Nova (similar playing styles, two dapperly dressed coaches)
4. Xavier (long-time rivals reunited, replaces Cincy as the Paris of America's Rival to MU)
Honestly, the only team on this list that comes close is Georgetown.
Answer honestly--is anyone ready to line up hours in advance to go to a Butler or Xavier game? Those programs were so far beneath us for most of their history--two games in one season won't make Butler our rival any more than our two games agaisnt Norfolk State in the same year had fans clamoring to add them as a new "rival" in the Big East.
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since I have normal tickets now I won't be lining up hours in advance, but I am certainly excited about those games
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Honestly, the only team on this list that comes close is Georgetown.
Answer honestly--is anyone ready to line up hours in advance to go to a Butler or Xavier game? Those programs were so far beneath us for most of their history--two games in one season won't make Butler our rival any more than our two games agaisnt Norfolk State in the same year had fans clamoring to add them as a new "rival" in the Big East.
I would. But I lined up for most home games when I was an undergrad.
While I agree (see post above) that Georgetown will become our main rival (within the conference) I think either Butler or Xavier could easily become secondary rivals. Reasonably close proximity, rabid fan bases, similar sized urban institutions, top young coaches (for Butler), recent history (Butler twice last year, Xavier a few years back in the tourney and Old Spice Classic), plus older history (we've played Xavier more than any other team in the Big East besides DePaul/Creighton).
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Fr. Morrison started in MU's history department, was president of Creighton for almost 20 years, and then "retired" to teaching a history class or two each semester back at Marquette. Not sure if he is still there, but when I had him in 2005 he was still going strong. He looked a bit like Santa Claus and always wore suspenders over his Roman Collared shirt.
From what I understand, Creighton's soccer stadium is named in his honor.
Our soccer stadium is named after him, although, from other alums (I was not there when he was president), he wasn't a big fan of athletics and some are puzzled why the stadium was named after him.
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The first team that gives is a fragrant foul and we retaliate. Rival in the making!
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Honestly, the only team on this list that comes close is Georgetown.
Answer honestly--is anyone ready to line up hours in advance to go to a Butler or Xavier game? Those programs were so far beneath us for most of their history--two games in one season won't make Butler our rival any more than our two games agaisnt Norfolk State in the same year had fans clamoring to add them as a new "rival" in the Big East.
Rivalries require mutual respect, antipathy, appreciation, and rancor. I do not believe the GU crowd sees us in that way. They may do so, in time. But that day has yet to arrive.