JJJ-27th
Deonte-39th
Duane-53rd
JJJ fell a spot, Deonte jumped about 15 and I believe Duane jumped up 6 spots. Wow, looks like we are going to have some impact freshman!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Also notable, Joel Embiid jumped all the way up to 6.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true)
I'm pumped about our class but Kentucky is unreal. They have 50% of the top 10 and have signed a top 10 player for every position on the court.
PG - #5 Andrew Harrison
SG - #9 Aaron Harrison
SF - #8 James Young
PF - #3 Julius Randle
C - #7 Dakari Johnson
Has there ever been a stronger recruiting class? Were the Fab 5 all top 10 players? I realize these are all rankings and whether they all pan out is another story, but man that just seems incredible to me.
Quote from: GoldenBoy16 on May 01, 2013, 04:29:47 PM
JJJ-27th
Deonte-39th
Duane-53rd
JJJ fell a spot, Deonte jumped about 15 and I believe Duane jumped up 6 spots. Wow, looks like we are going to have some impact freshman!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
we will see...bout impact
Quote from: tommyc6 on May 01, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
I'm pumped about our class but Kentucky is unreal. They have 50% of the top 10 and have signed a top 10 player for every position on the court.
PG - #5 Andrew Harrison
SG - #9 Aaron Harrison
SF - #8 James Young
PF - #3 Julius Randle
C - #7 Dakari Johnson
Has there ever been a stronger recruiting class? Were the Fab 5 all top 10 players? I realize these are all rankings and whether they all pan out is another story, but man that just seems incredible to me.
Do you hear that beeping sound? Get out of the way of the Brinks truck.
Quote from: tommyc6 on May 01, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
I'm pumped about our class but Kentucky is unreal. They have 50% of the top 10 and have signed a top 10 player for every position on the court.
PG - #5 Andrew Harrison
SG - #9 Aaron Harrison
SF - #8 James Young
PF - #3 Julius Randle
C - #7 Dakari Johnson
Has there ever been a stronger recruiting class? Were the Fab 5 all top 10 players? I realize these are all rankings and whether they all pan out is another story, but man that just seems incredible to me.
And they could be adding Wiggins too.
Luke Fischer also went up a lot, Matt Thomas dropped.
Can someone please explain to me how Kentucky has a recruiting class of at least 8 new players and 9 returning players for a total of 17, 4 players over the scholarship limit, how do they get away with that?
Quote from: denverMU on May 01, 2013, 08:11:23 PM
Can someone please explain to me how Kentucky has a recruiting class of at least 8 new players and 9 returning players for a total of 17, 4 players over the scholarship limit, how do they get away with that?
$$$$$
Did I miss Bronson Koenig?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 01, 2013, 08:40:34 PM
Did I miss Bronson Koenig?
Didn't you hear? Bronson is so far above everyone else, no one is ranking him at all because it would be disrespectful to rank him among mere HS players.
Quote from: tommyc6 on May 01, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
I'm pumped about our class but Kentucky is unreal. They have 50% of the top 10 and have signed a top 10 player for every position on the court.
PG - #5 Andrew Harrison
SG - #9 Aaron Harrison
SF - #8 James Young
PF - #3 Julius Randle
C - #7 Dakari Johnson
Has there ever been a stronger recruiting class? Were the Fab 5 all top 10 players? I realize these are all rankings and whether they all pan out is another story, but man that just seems incredible to me.
No the Fab 5 were not all top 10. IIRC, Webber, Howard and Rose were all top 15.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 01, 2013, 09:19:17 PM
No the Fab 5 were not all top 10. IIRC, Webber, Howard and Rose were all top 15.
Chris Webber was ranked #1, Juwan Howard was ranked #3, Jalen Rose was ranked #6, Jimmy King was ranked #9, and Ray Jackson was ranked #84. All but Jackson participated in the McDonald's All-American Game in 1991.
Quote from: windyplayer on May 01, 2013, 05:13:31 PM
Do you hear that beeping sound? Get out of the way of the Brinks truck.
From Bank of America. Corruption at its finest!
There is going to be some vacation for Kentucky in their future. And I am not talking about the kind you spend in Aruba.
I dont want to hear about everybody wants to go to Kentucky because it is a bluebood, Calipari, NBA success, et al.
People denying that Kentucky is cheating are like the people saying real estate prices are sticky downward or the meteoric rise in the market in the late 90's was "different this time".
Vacation will come. Probably enough in the future that Calipari wont care but it will happen.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on May 02, 2013, 07:10:31 AM
There is going to be some vacation for Kentucky in their future. And I am not talking about the kind you spend in Aruba.
I dont want to hear about everybody wants to go to Kentucky because it is a bluebood, Calipari, NBA success, et al.
People denying that Kentucky is cheating are like the people saying real estate prices are sticky downward or the meteoric rise in the market in the late 90's was "different this time".
Vacation will come. Probably enough in the future that Calipari wont care but it will happen.
If evidence is found that Kentucky is indeed cheating in that fashion I would expect a SMU style vacation for their basketball program.
Quote from: Captain Awesome on May 02, 2013, 07:33:54 AM
If evidence is found that Kentucky is indeed cheating in that fashion I would expect a SMU style vacation for their Western Kentucky's basketball program.
Fixed
Quote from: Captain Awesome on May 02, 2013, 07:33:54 AM
If evidence is found that Kentucky is indeed cheating in that fashion I would expect a SMU style vacation for their basketball program.
Except that UK sells 24,000 tickets a game. The NCAA may look at them and give them a behind-the-scenes warning, but they won't shut down a program that is a money-making machine.
While I'd be willing to bet that Cal is in fact cheating somehow, can't deny the fact that he has successfully created a minor league team for the NBA where recruits know they can go a year and regardless of outcome they will be drafted (watch what happens to this year's UK guys draft night and they couldn't even make the tourney).
Back to the original topic, where do these updated ranking put our incoming class overall? Is it a top 10 class?
Further, is this a higher ranked class than the 3 amigos (not saying they will have as good of MU careers, just wondering where their incoming rankings were)
Quote from: Victor McCormick on May 02, 2013, 08:32:04 AM
Back to the original topic, where do these updated ranking put our incoming class overall? Is it a top 10 class?
11th
Quote from: Victor McCormick on May 02, 2013, 08:32:04 AM
Back to the original topic, where do these updated ranking put our incoming class overall? Is it a top 10 class?
Further, is this a higher ranked class than the 3 amigos (not saying they will have as good of MU careers, just wondering where their incoming rankings were)
I'm not sure where the amigos were ranked because I wasn't following recruiting at the time but I think they were all in between 50-100 so I'm pretty sure this class, on paper, is much better. Also I've been wondering for a while what other schools were those guys considering, who did we beat out?
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on May 02, 2013, 08:35:16 AM
11th
11th--hard to believe with the studs coming in. Must keep getting these types to hang in the top 25 annually.
Quote from: Captain Awesome on May 02, 2013, 07:33:54 AM
If evidence is found that Kentucky is indeed cheating in that fashion I would expect a SMU style vacation for their basketball program.
NCAA will never put the hammer down on a program that hard again. Especially not Kentucky.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on May 02, 2013, 08:35:16 AM
11th
The bad news in this report is for the league. Villanova is the only other Big East class ranked among the top 40 (at #31). The AAC has three top 40 classes (#4 Memphis, #22 USF, #24 Cincy). The SEC has 3 in the top 10 (#1 Kentucky, #9 LSU, #10 Florida).
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Quote from: ecompt on May 02, 2013, 07:39:33 AM
Except that UK sells 24,000 tickets a game. The NCAA may look at them and give them a behind-the-scenes warning, but they won't shut down a program that is a money-making machine.
They kinda did when they put those penalties on Penn St.
If the public does find out that Cal has been naughty... They'd kill the program.
That program would still seat 24000 after reinstatement, unlike SMU though.
Just reposting this to recalibrate the freshmen expectations. The question for now is if the other recruiting rankings will be consistent with ESPN, or if ESPN is an outlier. Regardless, JJJ and Burton should both expect a slight bump.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38359.msg489808#msg489808
I think that most sites under Value Mckay. Who is either the best Juco in the country or the 2nd. He would have as much a impact next year as a top 50.
The Big East is represented by 11 top 100 recruits with Villanova still in the running for one of the two still to commit. MU leads with three, Nova has two. Only Creighton and Butler missed out. Damn, that means that both DePaul and Seton Hall both got top 100 point guards! Thanks for firing Carmody, Northwestern. That got former NU assistant Fred Hill to Seton Hall and Jaren Sina to Seton Hall. I have heard that Fred Hill is well connected with the New Jersey AAU scene, so hopefully this is the start of a Hall revival. Keep your fingers crossed. DePaul got Billy Garret, Jr. presumably with his recruitment headed up by DePaul assistant Billy Garret, Sr.
Top rated Big East recruit was PG Rysheed Jordan at 17 to St. John's. Five of the 11 are PG's. MU got the three top rated guys after Jordan for 3 of the top 4 going to the Big East.
Quote from: Groin_pull on May 01, 2013, 05:25:43 PM
And they could be adding Wiggins too.
Wiggins isn't going to Kentucky. Most likely FSU.
Quote from: cbowe3 on May 02, 2013, 08:44:25 AM
I'm not sure where the amigos were ranked because I wasn't following recruiting at the time but I think they were all in between 50-100 so I'm pretty sure this class, on paper, is much better. Also I've been wondering for a while what other schools were those guys considering, who did we beat out?
#61 James #85 Matthews #99 Mcneal according to Rivals
Quote from: cbowe3 on May 02, 2013, 08:44:25 AM
I'm not sure where the amigos were ranked because I wasn't following recruiting at the time but I think they were all in between 50-100 so I'm pretty sure this class, on paper, is much better. Also I've been wondering for a while what other schools were those guys considering, who did we beat out?
RSCI rankings:
DJ - 36
McNeal - 57
Wes - 61
Going by memory here, but DJ's main suitors other than MU were Notre Dame and Purdue; Wes' finalists were MU, UW and Georgia Tech; Jerel's were Purdue and Dayton, along with MU.
Right now it is the in thing for top 10 players to go to Kentucky. I do not think Cal needs to cheat right now. The new Kentucky dorm for basketball players alone would attract most players (However, I could argue that a dorm that far exceeds the normal dorm is a form of cheating.). Throw in the Kentucky tradition, a recent national title and it is an easy sell to recruits on going to Kentucky. I do think the NCAA has to do something about one and dones, to prevent one university from repeatedly signing them as a one and done factory is not good for college basketball as a whole. Maybe all scholarships should take up a spot for two years even if a player leaves. Under that rule Ferguson's scholarship could not be reused this year, since he only stayed one year at MU. That rule would also significantly limit Kentucky's ability to replace several one in dones in one year. You would need to limit the number of walk ons a team could have the rule be totally effective. Otherwise, without some change in the rule the Kentucky will continue to recruit one and dones with no end in sight.
Quote from: bilsu on May 02, 2013, 12:49:00 PM
Right now it is the in thing for top 10 players to go to Kentucky. I do not think Cal needs to cheat right now. The new Kentucky dorm for basketball players alone would attract most players (However, I could argue that a dorm that far exceeds the normal dorm is a form of cheating.). Throw in the Kentucky tradition, a recent national title and it is an easy sell to recruits on going to Kentucky. I do think the NCAA has to do something about one and dones, to prevent one university from repeatedly signing them as a one and done factory is not good for college basketball as a whole. Maybe all scholarships should take up a spot for two years even if a player leaves. Under that rule Ferguson's scholarship could not be reused this year, since he only stayed one year at MU. That rule would also significantly limit Kentucky's ability to replace several one in dones in one year. You would need to limit the number of walk ons a team could have the rule be totally effective. Otherwise, without some change in the rule the Kentucky will continue to recruit one and dones with no end in sight.
What's the problem with Kentucky recruiting one and done's?
Yes, I also don't understand why this is a problem. They are recruiting the best basketball players for their basketball program. Isn't that the goal? If the best basketball players tend to go make millions of dollars in the NBA after a year, so what? I don't see how this is a problem that needs "fixing."
Quote from: willie warrior on May 02, 2013, 09:02:19 AM
11th--hard to believe with the studs coming in. Must keep getting these types to hang in the top 25 annually.
These rankings are all subjective Scout has us in a tie for 6th
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=14&cfg=bb&yr=2013
while Rivals has us at 9.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1435977
Quote from: kmwtrucks on May 02, 2013, 09:22:40 AM
I think that most sites under Value Mckay. Who is either the best Juco in the country or the 2nd. He would have as much a impact next year as a top 50.
ESPN lists us as having four 4-star and one 3-star recruit. Assuming Dawson is the 3-star, it looks like they've fairly valued him.
Quote from: Captain Awesome on May 02, 2013, 09:11:47 AM
They kinda did when they put those penalties on Penn St.
If the public does find out that Cal has been naughty... They'd kill the program.
That program would still seat 24000 after reinstatement, unlike SMU though.
No one is killing Penn State's or UK's program.
Quote from: LAZER on May 02, 2013, 12:59:51 PM
What's the problem with Kentucky recruiting one and done's?
Well if they can sign 8 like they did this year every year, no one else will ever win the NCAA championship. I would like to think MU has a chance.
Another thing that I think is exciting about the class we have coming in is that other than Embiid we got the top 3 kids we went after seriously. In past years we've been in on a number of guys in the top 100 only to have them go to other schools. It kind of created this "always a bridesmaid never a bride" thinking here. Certainly it helps that 2 are from MKE but then you have JJJ who we took out of Memphis, a place we don't have strong recruiting ties. Other than Embiid (which admittedly would have made for an over the top class) the only other top 100 guy we recruited hard and missed on was Nunn and since we probably couldn't have gotten him and JJJ it looks like we got the better player.
If Buzz can start building a good close percentage where he gets the kids he goes, for it is going to really help in building a consistent winning team. And remember since the foundation for recruiting is laid several years in advance this great class was courted at a time during which we lost our whole assistant coach staff and had to "Buzz to " rumors hanging over everyone's head. Keep stability and the pipeline is going to just get better.
If we got Diamond Stone for 2015 and no one else I would be over the moon. I hope that's Buzz's #1 recruiting priority right now.
Who here has ESPN Insider? They have MU ranked as the #1 sleeper recruiting class for 2013. Not sure if this link works or not, it would be interesting to see what they have to say.
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/9234719/top-five-sleeper-recruiting-classes-2013-basketball-class-rankings (http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/9234719/top-five-sleeper-recruiting-classes-2013-basketball-class-rankings)
Quote from: Aughnanure on May 02, 2013, 02:58:25 PM
No one is killing Penn State's or UK's program.
Penn St had to give a ton of money up as punishment for the Sandusky Era. Watching many of their players transfer out after sanctions were issued did effectively damage the program, likely for awhile. And that's really where I'm going with that.
Back to the recruiting class...
It's great to have a highly ranked class - now the key for Buzz will be to sustain this year over year.
1. Marquette (No. 11 class)
Coach Buzz Williams has a class that is tough, athletic and can score on the perimeter with a trio of top-100 recruits. ESPN 100 shooting guard JaJuan Johnson can score at a high rate in a variety of ways and plays with great urgency. ESPN 100 small forward Deonte Burton is a power driver who scores through contact and is tough as nails. ESPN 100 point guard Duane Wilson can score as well as any point guard in the class and is excellent in drive, draw and kick situations. Rounding out the five-man class, three-star combo guard John Dawson excels on and off the ball either scoring or setting up the offense, while juco power forward Jameel McKay will add rebounding and the ability to finish in the paint. Burton, Wilson and McKay are all local kids as well, so wearing that Marquette uniform will mean a great deal to them. This class has all of the ingredients to be a very productive group from day one and keep the Golden Eagles in the postseason for years to come.
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on May 01, 2013, 06:07:01 PM
Luke Fischer also went up a lot, Matt Thomas dropped.
From 141 to 34
Quote from: MUMonster03 on May 02, 2013, 01:18:38 PM
These rankings are all subjective Scout has us in a tie for 6th
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=14&cfg=bb&yr=2013
while Rivals has us at 9.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1435977
Don't getRivals ranking Loserville higher than MU. We have one more recruit and several with higher ranking. Louisville: 50; 80 in 2012; and 87 while ours are 35; 51 and 56 with a three star (Dawson) and both have a 4 star JUCO. Should be the other way around.
The question is still on the table, how can Kentucky have 17 scholarship players on their roster?
well obviously they can't so something will have to change but Calipari may be the only one with the answers right now
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on May 03, 2013, 12:10:29 PM
The question is still on the table, how can Kentucky have 17 scholarship players on their roster?
Chill. People will leave, go off scholarship and "pay their own way", some may not qualify, etc. It's not a big deal...
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on May 03, 2013, 12:10:29 PM
The question is still on the table, how can Kentucky have 17 scholarship players on their roster?
How do you get to 17? I believe Kentucky has only four scholarship players returning, plus eight equals 12 which still leaves room for Wiggins, if he decided to come.