From my prestigious subscription to ESPN Insider...
"Duke's 2013 recruiting class ranks No. 6 in the country, according to Recruiting Nation's updated rankings, even though the Blue Devils only signed three players. This week, Duke has a chance to make a positive impression on one of 2014's top talents, with a big in-home visit scheduled.
Kevon Looney (Milwaukee, Wisc./Milwaukee Hamilton High), ESPN's No. 7 recruit in 2014, holds offers from many of the top schools around the Midwest -- in-state schools Marquette and Wisconsin, along with Michigan, Michigan State and Cincinnati. But this week, the 6-foot-7 power forward will welcome visitors from Duke.
"It's coming up on Wednesday," Looney tells TheDevilsDen.com of the in-home with Duke. "I'm pretty sure Coach K is coming and I'm not sure if any assistants are coming.
"... I've talked to (the Duke coaching staff) a lot lately. My Dad talked to them a couple of times and I talked to assistant Nate James last week. Coach K said he wants me to come there. I've only talked to him twice though." "
Is this the week the Blue Devils move towards the top of Looney's list? It could be. We'll let you know what Looney has to say later in the week when more details emerge.
I would be stunned if he stayed in state.
Quote from: Groin_pull on April 23, 2013, 05:59:41 PM
I would be stunned if he stayed in state.
Yep, he might be a lost cause. TBH I'm more worried about Stone, but I think we're in a much better situation with him.
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on April 23, 2013, 06:14:14 PM
Yep, he might be a lost cause. TBH I'm more worried about Stone, but I think we're in a much better situation with him.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/9199233/players-families-new-ncaa-rules-college-basketball
To Quote Hawk "He Gone!"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 23, 2013, 06:21:29 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/9199233/players-families-new-ncaa-rules-college-basketball
Off topic, but in that article they label Creighton as a mid major. So how long till they are considered high major in the new conference?
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 23, 2013, 05:58:11 PM
From my prestigious subscription to ESPN Insider...
"Duke's 2013 recruiting class ranks No. 6 in the country, according to Recruiting Nation's updated rankings, even though the Blue Devils only signed three players. This week, Duke has a chance to make a positive impression on one of 2014's top talents, with a big in-home visit scheduled.
Kevon Looney (Milwaukee, Wisc./Milwaukee Hamilton High), ESPN's No. 7 recruit in 2014, holds offers from many of the top schools around the Midwest -- in-state schools Marquette and Wisconsin, along with Michigan, Michigan State and Cincinnati. But this week, the 6-foot-7 power forward will welcome visitors from Duke.
"It's coming up on Wednesday," Looney tells TheDevilsDen.com of the in-home with Duke. "I'm pretty sure Coach K is coming and I'm not sure if any assistants are coming.
"... I've talked to (the Duke coaching staff) a lot lately. My Dad talked to them a couple of times and I talked to assistant Nate James last week. Coach K said he wants me to come there. I've only talked to him twice though." "
Is this the week the Blue Devils move towards the top of Looney's list? It could be. We'll let you know what Looney has to say later in the week when more details emerge.
Gotta love Special K. He's talked to the young man twice and they probably can't open the front door fast enough.
Y'all either have a reading comprehension issue or weren't payin' attention long time ago.
Hope he doesn't fall for the sales pitch. We want Looney at Marquette!!! He can help MU win the championship and be a part of history while his family and friends watch!
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 23, 2013, 07:20:53 PM
Hope he doesn't fall for the sales pitch. We want Looney at Marquette!!! He can help MU win the championship and be a part of history while his family and friends watch!
I don't think Looney has ever had much interest in MU.
Quote from: Groin_pull on April 23, 2013, 05:59:41 PM
I would be stunned if he stayed in state.
Of course, he won't. I pretty sure that Coach K has a flight back to NC later tomorrow.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 23, 2013, 06:21:29 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/9199233/players-families-new-ncaa-rules-college-basketball
Interesting article. Diamond Stone's dad seems to have the right philosophy and I like the rules he has set up for his son. The recruiting process must just be overwhelming for some of these guys.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 23, 2013, 07:19:44 PM
Y'all either have a reading comprehension issue or weren't payin' attention long time ago.
K stayin at yo crib?
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 23, 2013, 07:24:58 PM
Of course, he won't. I pretty sure that Coach K has a flight back to NC later tomorrow.
Well done, Murs.
Don't understand the pessimism and negativity. If I were Looney I would star at Marquette. He can play in front of family and friends and play with friends, and get to the NBA. At Duke he will be one of many. To hell with Duke!
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 23, 2013, 08:31:24 PM
Don't understand the pessimism and negativity. If I were Looney I would star at Marquette. He can play in front of family and friends and play with friends, and get to the NBA. At Duke he will be one of many. To hell with Duke!
This entire post contradicts itself big time. You don't understand people being pessimistic and negative, yet you say that at Marquette he would be a star while at Duke he would just be another guy. What does that say about where you think Marquette is as a program?
Yeaaaaah MU landing Looney is just that..loony toons.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 23, 2013, 08:31:24 PM
Don't understand the pessimism and negativity.
Just being positive and wishing it would happen won't make it occur. He simply hasn't shown much interest in MU and Buzz is cutting his losses and moving on.
Quote from: muvanwilder on April 23, 2013, 06:50:08 PM
Off topic, but in that article they label Creighton as a mid major. So how long till they are considered high major in the new conference?
As long as they don't have a football team in one of the "power 5" conferences.
4ever
Think Duke is where he ends up? I was a Tokoto fan, but Looney is far superior player. Aside from Duke any other leaders in the clubhouse?
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 23, 2013, 08:31:24 PM
Don't understand the pessimism and negativity. If I were Looney I would star at Marquette. He can play in front of family and friends and play with friends, and get to the NBA. At Duke he will be one of many. To hell with Duke!
That is why are the Devils (in hell)!!! ;)
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 23, 2013, 08:31:24 PM
Don't understand the pessimism and negativity. If I were Looney I would star at Marquette. He can play in front of family and friends and play with friends, and get to the NBA. At Duke he will be one of many. To hell with Duke!
One of many, but a chosen few. Not many people get to play at Duke...yes, among other stars there but few get the chance.
I've never felt we've had much of a chance with Looney and doubt we're even in his top 5. I feel more optimistic about our chances with Diamond Stone.
Quote from: Goose on April 23, 2013, 10:06:52 PM
4ever
Think Duke is where he ends up? I was a Tokoto fan, but Looney is far superior player. Aside from Duke any other leaders in the clubhouse?
I should have an update fairly soon.
If Diamond takes after Bob, I hope the hell we get him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 23, 2013, 11:07:23 PM
One of many, but a chosen few. Not many people get to play at Duke...yes, among other stars there but few get the chance.
Last time I checked Duke was allowed only 13 scholarships, same as Marquette.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 23, 2013, 07:14:21 PM
Gotta love Special K. He's talked to the young man twice and they probably can't open the front door fast enough.
Because he wins championships. Hopefully Buzz gets there someday.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 23, 2013, 09:21:41 PM
Just being positive and wishing it would happen won't make it occur. He simply hasn't shown much interest in MU and Buzz is cutting his losses and moving on.
It's recruiting, no losses to cut since we never had him in the first place.
Stone's dad = impressive. I hope he sticks to his guns and protects his kid. Lots of vultures out there.
Quote from: hairyworthen on April 24, 2013, 07:22:29 AM
It's recruiting, no losses to cut since we never had him in the first place.
Losses = time spent recruiting him that could have been spent elsewhere
Cutting losses = investing more time recruiting him when he isn't coming here
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 23, 2013, 08:31:24 PMDon't understand the pessimism and negativity. If I were Looney I would star at Marquette. He can play in front of family and friends and play with friends, and get to the NBA. At Duke he will be one of many. To hell with Duke!
Looney won't be one of many no matter where he decides to go. If Duke lands him, he will most likely be the gem of their recruiting class. I would be floored to see him stay in-state. He will most likely go to Duke, possibly Kansas, UNC, or Kentucky, but no matter where he goes, Wisconsin will be his second choice. There's no chance he will ever go to Wisconsin, but they will always be the bridesmaid.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 24, 2013, 07:14:04 AM
Last time I checked Duke was allowed only 13 scholarships, same as Marquette.
That's like saying both x number students went to Harvard and the same number went to Marquette. If you can't see the prestige of Duke in the basketball world and that they only recruit the best of the best, then you are kidding yourself.
Why is it that everyone believes MU has no shot at Looney or Stone? Have they, their high school coaches or AAU coaches eliminated MU as of today? Maybe, just maybe, with locals Duane Wilson, Burton and even McKay (who came back home) there is a possibility.
Quote from: nyg on April 24, 2013, 08:28:39 AMWhy is it that everyone believes MU has no shot at Looney or Stone? Have they, their high school coaches or AAU coaches eliminated MU as of today? Maybe, just maybe, with locals Duane Wilson, Burton and even McKay (who came back home) there is a possibility.
I draw a distinct line between the two. I don't think we have a shot at Looney because he's made it pretty clear through comments that he is interested in going out of state. I never got the sense he was staying, similar to Tokoto's recruitment. Stone I feel we have a very good shot at. I feel that his connection with Wilson, his proximity to the program (not just location but how close he seems to be to Marquette), and all the comments around his recruitment lead me to think we are probably the favorite right now, though of course schools like Kentucky and UNC will probably try to get in on him.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2013, 07:43:45 AM
Looney won't be one of many no matter where he decides to go. If Duke lands him, he will most likely be the gem of their recruiting class. I would be floored to see him stay in-state. He will most likely go to Duke, possibly Kansas, UNC, or Kentucky, but no matter where he goes, Wisconsin will be his second choice. There's no chance he will ever go to Wisconsin, but they will always be the bridesmaid.
I read that comment to mean that he would be one of many great players or top recruits to pass through Duke on their way to the NBA, which is true. But even within that class they already have offers out to Jahlil Okafor, Tyus Jones and Trey Lyles, all of whom are ranked ahead of Looney by ESPN. On the other hand, at Marquette he would be one of the best recruits we've ever landed. Not that Looney seems to care about that.
Quote from: frozena pizza on April 24, 2013, 08:59:20 AM
I read that comment to mean that he would be one of many great players or top recruits to pass through Duke on their way to the NBA, which is true. But even within that class they already have offers out to Jahlil Okafor, Tyus Jones and Trey Lyles, all of whom are ranked ahead of Looney by ESPN. On the other hand, at Marquette he would be one of the best recruits we've ever landed. Not that Looney seems to care about that.
Just because it is a long shot doesn't mean you do not try to land them. Duke wasn't always a destination place for players it was built by Coach K having success and then being able to tell kids like Laettner, Hurley, and Hill that they are the type of pieces needed to get to the next level and found a way to make them believe as well. It took Coach K 6 years to make the final four and then it wasn't until year 11 that he won a National Championship. Buzz has had great success and should be near that point where he can sell the higher rated players that they can be the piece(s) that take the program to the next level. Each year of success makes recruiting easier and the chance of landing high ranked players, especially in-state players, more and more likely.
I, too, have heard that Looney really wants to go out of state. I also heard (maybe here on Scoop), that he takes academic reputation seriously. Marquette is in-state and, while solid academically, we don't hold a candle to Duke (or UNC), so he'd be gone on both fronts.
Nonetheless, I still hope that he comes to MU. In any case, best of luck to the kid.
With Looney out, getting Stone is priority #1. It would be a gut punch to have 2 top 10 kids right in your backyard and you couldn't get either.
Quote from: nyg on April 24, 2013, 08:28:39 AM
Why is it that everyone believes MU has no shot at Looney or Stone? Have they, their high school coaches or AAU coaches eliminated MU as of today? Maybe, just maybe, with locals Duane Wilson, Burton and even McKay (who came back home) there is a possibility.
I agree.
If Looney has said he intends to go to school out of state, then that is his choice and we should not waste a lot of resources on him. When has he said that? Anybody know?
What I do not understand is the "given" that many on this board take that when Dookie or UNC come calling on recruits in Wisconsin that it is all over and we do not stand a chance. MU has plenty to offer: an NBA arena, a good school, a long and great BB tradition, BB being the big game on campus, a Coach that gets guys to the pros, and a chance to play in front of family and friends. Yes, Duke has things to offer, but nothing that is the be all to end all. Having said that, Coach K needs to retire.
Losing kids to those programs is not that big a deal, they recruit the whole country and it is going to happen. Buzz it seems is recruiting for 2014 a great deal of Top 100 kids. Lets see
if all the Buzz PR and MU can sell this program to get to the next level. Time will tell. I hope kids at Duke and NC realize that they are going to over-recruited. Lets see if Tokoto gets any more time in the future or is he just going to be a bench clapper.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 24, 2013, 10:17:34 AMWhat I do not understand is the "given" that many on this board take that when Dookie or UNC come calling on recruits in Wisconsin that it is all over and we do not stand a chance. MU has plenty to offer: an NBA arena, a good school, a long and great BB tradition, BB being the big game on campus, a Coach that gets guys to the pros, and a chance to play in front of family and friends. Yes, Duke has things to offer, but nothing that is the be all to end all. Having said that, Coach K needs to retire.
I think it's all case-by-case. Tokoto going to UNC seemed like it was coming for awhile, as does Looney going out-of-state with Duke seeming most likely. Stone seems like he's a lot more willing to stay home, and I think that one would hurt more because at least at this point, it really feels like we have a good chance. I haven't seen any Marquette fans conceding that recruitment.
Quote from: MUMonster03 on April 24, 2013, 09:21:06 AM
Just because it is a long shot doesn't mean you do not try to land them. Duke wasn't always a destination place for players it was built by Coach K having success and then being able to tell kids like Laettner, Hurley, and Hill that they are the type of pieces needed to get to the next level and found a way to make them believe as well. It took Coach K 6 years to make the final four and then it wasn't until year 11 that he won a National Championship. Buzz has had great success and should be near that point where he can sell the higher rated players that they can be the piece(s) that take the program to the next level. Each year of success makes recruiting easier and the chance of landing high ranked players, especially in-state players, more and more likely.
It's all about allocation of resources. I agree that what you say above about building upon recruiting success year by year. That makes getting another top 10 recruiting class in 2014 such a big deal. The only way to do that is to spend your time convincing players that really like your school to come here instead of one of the other 5 to seven schools that they really like. You can't do that if your wasting your time trying to interest a kid who hasn't shown much, if any, interest through his junior year.
That probably is the hardest thing to realize for a coach, there confidence or ego is probably threw the roof so sometimes they probably spend to much time with a kid that has no
interest in a certain program. Might have been Rick Majerus's downfall with Joe Wolf and Ricky Olson, I think he had both kids and got neither. This is why they get big bucks, it is really
hard to recruit. The one big difference I see is the availability of private planes, Buzz can be in Memphis to watch JJohnson is 2 hours. In the past, it would take all day. Or go to Minneapolis, he can be there in an hour. Harder to get to Chicago by car.
Here's a Looney interview from a week ago, didn't even mention us in schools most interested..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TvhK_ILEXA
I agree we should devote more resources to kids like Stone, who seems more legitimately interested in MU.
However, I don't think we should stop visiting a huge talent like Looney simply because he's leaning out of state. Kids change their minds about this all the time...whether before they actually sign, or perhaps after a year or two when they might decide to play closer to home. If he's as good as everyone says he is, I think he's worth a visit or call every once in a while to show we're still interested.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 24, 2013, 12:36:44 PM
I agree we should devote more resources to kids like Stone, who seems more legitimately interested in MU.
However, I don't think we should stop visiting a huge talent like Looney simply because he's leaning out of state. Kids change their minds about this all the time...whether before they actually sign, or perhaps after a year or two when they might decide to play closer to home. If he's as good as everyone says he is, I think he's worth a visit or call every once in a while to show we're still interested.
Buzz has worked Looney and his family, AAU coach, etc. As you might find that they may go to Duke or NC, and decide to come back to Milwaukee if they are not happy, ie. Jamil
Wilson, in saying that, MU has an opening for that kid at NC who played sparingly last year, probably next year to. Always keeep the doors open, but Buzz 's philosophy is to recruit
everyday, he knows better than all of us, that he needs to sign some bigs. In saying that, a big knows he will get minutes, and that is what they all want to hear as incoming freshman.
Looney can start at MU as a frosh.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 24, 2013, 11:05:04 AM
It's all about allocation of resources. I agree that what you say above about building upon recruiting success year by year. That makes getting another top 10 recruiting class in 2014 such a big deal. The only way to do that is to spend your time convincing players that really like your school to come here instead of one of the other 5 to seven schools that they really like. You can't do that if your wasting your time trying to interest a kid who hasn't shown much, if any, interest through his junior year.
I agree that if he has shown no interest you don't spend much time there. But to say just because Duke or UNC is in on him we don't even bother? That is where I whole heartedly disagree. But I trust Buzz, he has shown he knows what he is doing, and is getting the most out of the talent he does land. If he can get that one break through in landing someone they didn't expect I think a lot more eyes will start considering us. It would just be nice to get a highly rated player from close to home because you could mark off closeness to home and not being able to handle WI winters as reasons they may leave.
JaJuan Johnson might be that kid.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 24, 2013, 07:14:04 AM
Last time I checked Duke was allowed only 13 scholarships, same as Marquette.
Yes. I suspect you will find Duke offers fewer players the opportunity each year to fill their openings vs MU does to fill theirs. I think the reasons are obvious.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 24, 2013, 01:26:41 PM
Buzz has worked Looney and his family, AAU coach, etc. As you might find that they may go to Duke or NC, and decide to come back to Milwaukee if they are not happy, ie. Jamil
Wilson, in saying that, MU has an opening for that kid at NC who played sparingly last year, probably next year to. Always keeep the doors open, but Buzz 's philosophy is to recruit
everyday, he knows better than all of us, that he needs to sign some bigs. In saying that, a big knows he will get minutes, and that is what they all want to hear as incoming freshman.
Looney can start at MU as a frosh.
Thats a good point. I was trying to figure out where Tokoto would find minutes with the recruiting class they have coming in. He may have to make a decision about transferring next year.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 24, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
Thats a good point. I was trying to figure out where Tokoto would find minutes with the recruiting class they have coming in. He may have to make a decision about transferring next year.
These posts are always amusing--we want to believe we're competitive with the best of the ACC, Big Ten, B12, SEC etc. But then we believe that one of our best recruiting pipelines should be players who won't get playing time at Duke, UNC, UK, etc.
We're not going to be as good as UNC and Duke when our attitude is "Not good enough to get minutes at UNC or Duke? Come to MU because you'll play here!"
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 24, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
Thats a good point. I was trying to figure out where Tokoto would find minutes with the recruiting class they have coming in. He may have to make a decision about transferring next year.
I was looking around on the Carolina Scout board. Concensus seems to be that he is a 4 year glue guy, who will earn PT in his 3rd and 4th years.
Make sure that K visits Usingers Sausage. One taste of the kielbasa and he will advise the kid to stay in Milwaukee.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 24, 2013, 04:08:59 PM
These posts are always amusing--we want to believe we're competitive with the best of the ACC, Big Ten, B12, SEC etc. But then we believe that one of our best recruiting pipelines should be players who won't get playing time at Duke, UNC, UK, etc.
We're not going to be as good as UNC and Duke when our attitude is "Not good enough to get minutes at UNC or Duke? Come to MU because you'll play here!"
Truth hurts!
Marquette was better than Duke this year. I think Marquette is a great place to play for because of the competition and great coaching and pipeline to the NBA.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 24, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
Marquette was better than Duke this year. I think Marquette is a great place to play for because of the competition and great coaching and pipeline to the NBA.
That is debatable (DU lost to Miami but also beat them, DU beat Louisville once and lost once while MU lost their only time, DU crushed Davidson, etc)....pretty close.
But say its true, in most years that isn't the case and Duke is also a great place to play due to the competition (even more so moving forward with Louisville, Syracuse and Pitt coming in), great coaching and a much larger pipeline to the NBA. Then you get into the weather and campus (Duke is easily top 5 campuses I have been to and I've probably been to 100+ due to my job).
Oh, and it's a school that academically blows the doors off of 98% of schools in the nation.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 24, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
Marquette was better than Duke this year. I think Marquette is a great place to play for because of the competition and great coaching and pipeline to the NBA.
Marquette also was better than UCLA and Kentucky this year. And went farther in the tourney than Indiana, Kansas, UNC and Michigan State.
And anybody who believes any of this makes our
program more relevant nationally than those iconic programs is delusional.
It's a great goal, though. Who knows? Maybe we'll look back a decade from now, after Buzz has taken us to our fourth Final Four in six years and has won our second title in that span, and say it all started when Buzz took over as coach and convinced a few jucos that Milwaukee was a great place to play basketball.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 24, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
Marquette was better than Duke this year. I think Marquette is a great place to play for because of the competition and great coaching and pipeline to the NBA.
LOL, MU was not better than Duke this year. If we played Duke 10 times, where would your money be? We arguably had a very lucky run to the Elite 8.
I also wouldn't go so far as to say we have a "pipeline to the NBA." We have had some success in getting players to the league, based on hustle and beating the odds. "Pipeline to the NBA" is more like KU, UK, UNC, where your getting consistent first rounder, more specifically lottery picks. If you asked
MU is a great place to play ball, but were not Elite.
Quote from: MU82 on April 24, 2013, 06:25:35 PM
Marquette also was better than UCLA and Kentucky this year. And went farther in the tourney than Indiana, Kansas and Michigan State.
And anybody who believes any of this makes our program more relevant nationally than those iconic programs is delusional.
It's a great goal, though. Who knows? Maybe we'll look back a decade from now, after Buzz has taken us to our fourth Final Four in six years and has won our second title in that span, and say it all started when Buzz took over as coach and convinced a few jucos that Milwaukee was a great place to play basketball.
I agree with everything you said. Buzz has the program on the cusp. But, all it will take is one of these thoroughbred players to come to Marquette and the door will open. It only takes one. If you never get in the water you will never swim. I say keep banging away because Buzz will get one of these fellas sooner or later.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 24, 2013, 06:41:56 PM
LOL, MU was not better than Duke this year. If we played Duke 10 times, where would your money be? We arguably had a very lucky run to the Elite 8.
I also wouldn't go so far as to say we have a "pipeline to the NBA." We have had some success in getting players to the league, based on hustle and beating the odds. "Pipeline to the NBA" is more like KU, UK, UNC, where your getting consistent first rounder, more specifically lottery picks. If you asked
MU is a great place to play ball, but were not Elite.
Agree. Duke currently has 20 guys on a NBA roster. MU has 6.
Apparently the twitterverse is reporting that Coach K is turning his attention to Stone now... does anyone have any pesticide nearby?
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on April 25, 2013, 08:03:33 AM
Apparently the twitterverse is reporting that Coach K is turning his attention to Stone now... does anyone have any pesticide nearby?
you mean rodenticide, warfarin would work.
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Quote from: The Equalizer on April 24, 2013, 04:08:59 PM
These posts are always amusing--we want to believe we're competitive with the best of the ACC, Big Ten, B12, SEC etc. But then we believe that one of our best recruiting pipelines should be players who won't get playing time at Duke, UNC, UK, etc.
We're not going to be as good as UNC and Duke when our attitude is "Not good enough to get minutes at UNC or Duke? Come to MU because you'll play here!"
Thank you!
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on April 25, 2013, 08:11:23 AM
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Coach K is the ultimate "Big East buster"!
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 24, 2013, 06:41:56 PM
LOL, MU was not better than Duke this year. If we played Duke 10 times, where would your money be? We arguably had a very lucky run to the Elite 8.
???
We beat the team that finished ahead of Duke in the ACC standings and won the ACC Tournament.
And some folks wondered if Looney and Stone were worthy of an offer from MU.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 25, 2013, 02:18:37 PM
And some folks wondered if Looney and Stone were worthy of an offer from MU.
Who said that?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 25, 2013, 02:18:37 PM
And some folks wondered if Looney and Stone were worthy of an offer from MU.
So, whaddya' hear?
It wasn't like I was at the dinner table talkin' smack with Mikey. I expect a Top 5 list to be forthcoming, followed by official visits and an early signing. At least that was the goal. Should have some unimpeachable info in a couple of weeks. An offer from Duke or UNC is huge, even going back to Kevon's freshman year. Doubt that much has changed there.
I see the title and keep thinking Bruce Springsteen singing "Coach KKKKKK is coming to town. Yeah.............."
Quote from: MU82 on April 24, 2013, 06:25:35 PM
Marquette also was better than UCLA and Kentucky this year. And went farther in the tourney than Indiana, Kansas, UNC and Michigan State.
And anybody who believes any of this makes our program more relevant nationally than those iconic programs is delusional.
It's a great goal, though. Who knows? Maybe we'll look back a decade from now, after Buzz has taken us to our fourth Final Four in six years and has won our second title in that span, and say it all started when Buzz took over as coach and convinced a few jucos that Milwaukee was a great place to play basketball.
100% agree. When Al walked out of the Omni on that rainy night in Georgia, MU basketball lost its status as an Elite program. We've had moments since, but only moments. Buzz is the first coach to bring sustained excellence and has us knocking on the door. If he stays I think he kicks it in.
Agreed. Buzz has momentum going and a great opportunity to run an elite program at Marquette. Every team is allowed only 13 scholarship players. That means that Duke and Marquette can have the same number of players. Duke cannot recruit 20 or 30 players. I, for one, am bullish on Marquette and Buzz Williams to field the best possible team. Marquette has had an outstanding record of great basketball for more than 60 years and I root for MU to be the best over Duke and any other team. Ring out Ahoya!
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 25, 2013, 01:58:45 PM
???
We beat the team that finished ahead of Duke in the ACC standings and won the ACC Tournament.
That means nothing. Duke was a better team. UWGB beat us, and we won a share of the BE. Is UWGB better than us?
Duke would win a best out of 5 series against us.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 24, 2013, 02:08:40 PM
Yes. I suspect you will find Duke offers fewer players the opportunity each year to fill their openings vs MU does to fill theirs. I think the reasons are obvious.
Everyone focuses on basketball but a compelling factor is that Duke is a much better university and matriculation conveys significant benefits that will accrue over the rest of one's life. Long after the basketball residuals peter out a Duke grad will continue to enjoy advantages from having been graduated from that school.
Quote from: keefe on April 25, 2013, 05:36:34 PM
Everyone focuses on basketball but a compelling factor is that Duke is a much better university and matriculation conveys significant benefits that will accrue over the rest of one's life. Long after the basketball residuals peter out a Duke grad will continue to enjoy advantages from having been graduated from that school.
If Looney stays 4 years and graduates he will have disappointed as a player.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2013, 03:10:12 PM
100% agree. When Al walked out of the Omni on that rainy night in Georgia, MU basketball lost its status as an Elite program. We've had moments since, but only moments. Buzz is the first coach to bring sustained excellence and has us knocking on the door. If he stays I think he kicks it in.
Lenny
We were still elite and Hank was given a gift wrapped opportunity to sustain it. I think we knew it was over when Bowie, the McCray's, Aguirre, etc... told Hank no.
Lenny and Keefe I think you both are right. Anyone that was close to the program knew the race had been run. The whole thing started to cave in shortly after the December day announced he was done. Recruits that were ours would ultimately go elsewhere.
Buzz has chance to make and keep us elite. When all said and done it comes down to recruiting studs every year. Buzz will get high level players on regular basis.
Quote from: Goose on April 25, 2013, 05:52:05 PM
Lenny and Keefe I think you both are right. Anyone that was close to the program knew the race had been run. The whole thing started to cave in shortly after the December day announced he was done. Recruits that were ours would ultimately go elsewhere.
Buzz has chance to make and keep us elite. When all said and done it comes down to recruiting studs every year. Buzz will get high level players on regular basis.
Goose
You are correct. I recall that December day vividly. A lot of us thought it was a joke, at first. How could there be a Marquette without Al? Clearly, a lot of recruits asked the same question. We were in on a lot of blue chips under Hank, many of whom would have signed with Al. Instead we were getting our second and third options. Hank did bring in some talent - Rivers, Trotter, the Johnsons but it was not anywhere close to what Al got. For every Doc Rivers there were twenty Schlundts.
Quote from: Goose on April 25, 2013, 05:52:05 PM
Lenny and Keefe I think you both are right. Anyone that was close to the program knew the race had been run. The whole thing started to cave in shortly after the December day announced he was done. Recruits that were ours would ultimately go elsewhere.
Buzz has chance to make and keep us elite. When all said and done it comes down to recruiting studs every year. Buzz will get high level players on regular basis.
I agree. Buzz has the program very close and on the right track of becoming an elite like Duke. Why not?
The track record is there getting talent to the nba and winning. I think all it takes is landing that blue chip elite athlete like a Looney, and then I could honestly see this program taking off and being able to recruit the elites with the big dogs. I mean Buzz is so close already in his short time here.
We'll never be like Kentucky, but I could see us being able to land the 5 star every yr or every other. At least I hope!
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 25, 2013, 01:58:45 PM
???
We beat the team that finished ahead of Duke in the ACC standings and won the ACC Tournament.
They beat Louisville once this year, who won the national championship. They beat Davidson by 17
Quote from: keefe on April 25, 2013, 05:36:34 PM
Everyone focuses on basketball but a compelling factor is that Duke is a much better university and matriculation conveys significant benefits that will accrue over the rest of one's life. Long after the basketball residuals peter out a Duke grad will continue to enjoy advantages from having been graduated from that school.
Yup, I think I mentioned in my post that Duke as a school clobbers MU.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 25, 2013, 08:37:50 PM
Yup, I think I mentioned in my post that Duke as a school clobbers MU.
And Kansas and Indiana.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
And Kansas and Indiana.
Yup, not by as much but still much better
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 25, 2013, 08:35:44 PM
They beat Louisville once this year, who won the national championship. They beat Davidson by 17
Meaningless. They beat Louisville in November (Dieng didn't play). Probably were every bit as good as the Cardinals then. In November. When it really didn't matter. By the time March rolled around and the games really did matter, Louisville was 22 points better. The idea is to peak in March when the stage gets bigger. The teams that do that (deservedly) are called the better/best.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 25, 2013, 10:12:11 PM
Yup, not by as much but still much better
Not enough difference between a 19 point loss and a 20 point loss for anyone to worry about.