Don't worry everybody, i'm not making a thread on him declaring...
Just want to hear some thoughts on him. I expect a huge season next year, i think he now holds the reins of this team, along with De' De' and Chris. This is my prediction that Jamil is gone first round next year.
I was pretty down about Vander leaving earlier, but think about this.. a line up of Duane, JaJuan, Jamil, Taylor Jr, Otule. Not to mention a bench of De'De', Derrick W, McKay, Mayo (In no particular order)... That line up sounds like a dream to me. We must all hope that Vander gets drafted, that would be huge for the program, like Tall Titan suggested in his thread.
My (not so bold prediction) of Jamil having more ppg, rpg, apg, then Vander this year and being drafted in the first round in 2014.
Rebounds and assists should be doable, don't know about outscoring Vander though.
Wilson has plenty of talent, but IMO, he is a soft defender, and occasionally makes questionable decisions with the ball, throwing it away, or bouncing it off the back of one of his teamate's heads.
If he improves those things next year, he should be a first round pick. It is up to him.
He's the man. I place a lot of confidence in him, and even more confidence in Buzz extracting every inch of potential out of him.
Call me crazy, but the heart that Todd Mayo showed in the S16 against Florida is forever seared in my memory, so I'm counting on him as well.
And, of course
#freestevetaylor
Very nervous that Jamil ends up leaving, too. Just a feeling I've got and hearing from others on this board that he's also considering. That would be a MASSIVE blow.
Let's get to April 29th before we start making projections on his season.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 16, 2013, 12:09:37 PM
Let's get to April 29th before we start making projections on his season.
You got that right, brew!
Why is everyone worried that he's leaving? I didn't hear these concerns before.
Do you really see Jamil being drafted this year? C'mon.
Quote from: oneposteagle on April 16, 2013, 12:03:24 PM
Very nervous that Jamil ends up leaving, too. Just a feeling I've got and hearing from others on this board that he's also considering. That would be a MASSIVE blow.
Of course he's considering it. He'd be silly if he didn't seek out some opinions.
That said, I'd be surprised if he jumped.
Quote from: JD on April 16, 2013, 12:27:02 PM
Do you really see Jamil being drafted this year? C'mon.
Why not?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 16, 2013, 12:28:24 PM
Why not?
SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
2012-13 MARQ 25.2 3.4-7.7 .444 1.0-2.9 .360 1.8-2.5 .744 4.9 1.7 0.9 0.6 2.4 1.5 9.7
2011-12 MARQ 24.1 2.8-6.2 .448 0.3-0.9 .345 1.2-1.7 .707 4.1 1.1 1.4 0.7 2.8 1.1 7.1
2009-10 ORE 16.9 1.8-4.2 .427 0.3-1.2 .281 0.8-1.0 .741 3.2 1.0 0.5 0.5 2.1 1.0 4.7
I guess these numbers are "why not" i could also name players who would be well ahead of Jamil that aren't declaring, a duo at Uconn comes to mind.
Here are his tournament numbers, out of these teams i'd believe Cuse is the most "like an NBA team" long, athletic, etc...
DATE OPP RESULT MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
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MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP - EAST REGION - ELITE 8 AT WASHINGTON
Sat 3/30 vs(4) SYRACUSE L 55-39 28 1-9 .111 0-5 .000 1-2 .500 5 2 2 1 3 1 3
MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP - EAST REGION - SWEET 16 AT WASHINGTON
Thu 3/28 vs(2) MIAMI (FL) W 71-61 33 5-9 .556 3-4 .750 3-4 .750 8 2 3 0 0 1 16
MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP - EAST REGION - 3rd ROUND AT LEXINGTON KY
Sat 3/23 vs(6) BUTLER W 74-72 30 4-10 .400 1-4 .250 4-4 1.000 5 2 1 2 3 4 13
MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP - EAST REGION - 2nd ROUND AT LEXINGTON KY
Thu 3/21 vs(14) DAVIDSON W 59-58 23 4-13 .308 2-4 .500 4-6 .667 5 2 0 0 4 1 14
IMO Jamil very well could be drafted this year if he left? Curious, does anyone have any concrete info that Jamil is unhappy or interested in moving on?
Quote from: JD on April 16, 2013, 12:27:02 PM
Why is everyone worried that he's leaving? I didn't hear these concerns before.
Do you really see Jamil being drafted this year? C'mon.
I think Jamil could very well be drafted this year. Look at how he finished the season. While the Syracuse game was a bust, it was for everyone. In the 14 games before that he averaged 12.5 ppg, 5.4 rpg, and shot 40.4% from beyond the arc. He absolutely has a NBA frame to play either the 2 or 3.
Don't underestimate the meaning of a thin draft. I know we all want them back but guys like Vander and Jamil could very well get drafted earlier this year simply on the basis of less legitimate NBA prospects in the field. Marquette submitted two names to the NBA's Advisory Committee last week. They didn't do that just for giggles.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 16, 2013, 12:40:00 PMMarquette submitted two names to the NBA's Advisory Committee last week. They didn't do that just for giggles.
I had no idea -- is this public information or insider? Still think sky's the limit for Buzz's teams, but I'll admit I was really looking forward to a stellar 2013 season. Losing Jamil and Vander would be a gut check.
Part of Vander's appeal is his potential as a 20 year old. His return to MU would take away that potential so it's risky if he came back and have only an average year. Jamil just finished his fourth year and will be drafted on being an established and polished player whether he stays or goes.
I'd stay and become a consistent shooter if I was jamil and work on some lateral quickness. I'm not sure he risks what Vander risks if he comes back.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on April 16, 2013, 12:53:35 PM
I had no idea -- is this public information or insider? Still think sky's the limit for Buzz's teams, but I'll admit I was really looking forward to a stellar 2013 season. Losing Jamil and Vander would be a gut check.
Thought it was on here last week, but if I saw it elsewhere, it's pretty obvious now Marquette would have inquired about Vander or he wouldn't be at the point he's at today (even if he ignored the advice, they would have sought it anyway). And Gerry Woeful just confirmed with a tweet that Marquette had submitted an inquiry on Jamil's behalf.
Jamil sucks as the leader of this team. I would lean more on Gardner and Otule. JJJ needs to be ready to fill the void of Blue. If not, we are in trouble next year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 16, 2013, 01:39:03 PM
Thought it was on here last week, but if I saw it elsewhere, it's pretty obvious now Marquette would have inquired about Vander or he wouldn't be at the point he's at today (even if he ignored the advice, they would have sought it anyway). And Gerry Woeful just confirmed with a tweet that Marquette had submitted an inquiry on Jamil's behalf.
The results are confidential, so Vander and Jamil would have to have given their permission for Marquette to see the results of the inquiry.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on April 16, 2013, 03:05:43 PM
Jamil sucks as the leader of this team. I would lean more on Gardner and Otule. JJJ needs to be ready to fill the void of Blue. If not, we are in trouble next year.
Huh? I couldn't disagree more with your entire post. Not sure about off the court, but on the court neither Gardner nor O'Tule are the kinds of guys who pull the team together during a dead ball when the team is struggling, gets on someone for not busting his butt, etc. Neither are vocal leaders. Jamil already was at times last year, and this year I expect that to be entirely his roll.
Also, what are we in trouble of if JJJ, a freshman, is not ready to put up the 15 points that Vander Blue put up this year? Silly. We will be a top 10 team if there are no other roster changes this year. Between the improvements to Steve Taylor and Jamil Wilson, the increased opportunity for Todd, and the additions of Duane Wilson and JJJ, we will be just fine, just like we have been for the last 5 years under Buzz.
Next one up. The sky is not falling.
On second thought, I heard Marquette might be folding the team next year if they don't see enough out of a freshman shooting guard in their closed-door pre-season scrimmage.
Same could have been said about Vander a week ago.....
Quote from: MUfan12 on April 16, 2013, 12:27:17 PM
Of course he's considering it. He'd be silly if he didn't seek out some opinions.
That said, I'd be surprised if he jumped.
Quote from: JD on April 16, 2013, 12:32:44 PM
SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
2012-13 MARQ 25.2 3.4-7.7 .444 1.0-2.9 .360 1.8-2.5 .744 4.9 1.7 0.9 0.6 2.4 1.5 9.7
2011-12 MARQ 24.1 2.8-6.2 .448 0.3-0.9 .345 1.2-1.7 .707 4.1 1.1 1.4 0.7 2.8 1.1 7.1
2009-10 ORE 16.9 1.8-4.2 .427 0.3-1.2 .281 0.8-1.0 .741 3.2 1.0 0.5 0.5 2.1 1.0 4.7
I guess these numbers are "why not" i could also name players who would be well ahead of Jamil that aren't declaring, a duo at Uconn comes to mind.
Here are his tournament numbers, out of these teams i'd believe Cuse is the most "like an NBA team" long, athletic, etc...
DATE OPP RESULT MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
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MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP - EAST REGION - ELITE 8 AT WASHINGTON
Sat 3/30 vs(4) SYRACUSE L 55-39 28 1-9 .111 0-5 .000 1-2 .500 5 2 2 1 3 1 3
MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP - EAST REGION - SWEET 16 AT WASHINGTON
Thu 3/28 vs(2) MIAMI (FL) W 71-61 33 5-9 .556 3-4 .750 3-4 .750 8 2 3 0 0 1 16
MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP - EAST REGION - 3rd ROUND AT LEXINGTON KY
Sat 3/23 vs(6) BUTLER W 74-72 30 4-10 .400 1-4 .250 4-4 1.000 5 2 1 2 3 4 13
MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP - EAST REGION - 2nd ROUND AT LEXINGTON KY
Thu 3/21 vs(14) DAVIDSON W 59-58 23 4-13 .308 2-4 .500 4-6 .667 5 2 0 0 4 1 14
Ok just for clarification, did you just say a team that plays exclusively zone is the most NBA-like?
Just got this tweet DM'd to me from a guy that I know( He is a Madison alum, but not too biased)...Obviously I don't believe it, but thought I should share:
"A friend of mine in Milwaukee knows Wilson and she said he told her today he's leaning toward leaving early"
Like I said, I am not going to take much from it as I think there is literally a 10% he would go, but there it is.
Quote from: buckchuckler on April 16, 2013, 03:35:34 PM
Ok just for clarification, did you just say a team that plays exclusively zone is the most NBA-like?
No i meant out of those teams, Syracuse has the most "NBA like players" look at the draft, there's probably 5 of them on that team. So no i know NBA doesn't play zone D, i was stating that they're similar with their length, athleticism, etc.
I have heard rumors on him leaving and do not buy it. If it were to happen it would be major, major blow. It definitely would keep Buzz on recruiting front in big way.
Quote from: Goose on April 16, 2013, 03:44:53 PM
I have heard rumors on him leaving and do not buy it. If it were to happen it would be major, major blow. It definitely would keep Buzz on recruiting front in big way.
I would guess he doesn't leave, but the question to me is if you're in his shoes, why wouldn't you? You've been in college for 4 years, you will have your degree at the end of the year. You have all the physical tools in the world, so a GM might take you based on your potential. The draft next year is supposed to be much stronger than it is this year.
Worst case scenario, you leave Marquette with a degree and go play some ball overseas, where all you do all day every day is play basketball and improve your game to give yourself a shot to make it to the NBA, vs. having to be a full time student on top of being a division 1 basketball player without being paid a cent for it, and also probably just taking classes that in the long run will do nothing for you (1 year of graduate school done, but chances are you go and play basketball, whether in the NBA or Europe, following that 1 year anyways and put that on hold).
The pros for leaving are greater than the pros for staying, it would seem.
Quote from: mubb34 on April 16, 2013, 03:37:30 PM
Just got this tweet DM'd to me from a guy that I know( He is a Madison alum, but not too biased)...Obviously I don't believe it, but thought I should share:
"A friend of mine in Milwaukee knows Wilson and she said he told her today he's leaning toward leaving early"
Like I said, I am not going to take much from it as I think there is literally a 10% he would go, but there it is.
Why do you not believe that ? I think the chance Wilson leaves is close to 60/40 leaning towards staying the more I think about it. I mean isn't he already graduating this semester? It would be his fifth year in college and maybe he's ready to move on. I feel he would really benefit staying another year though and his stock would rise being the feature player on next year's team.
Play for pay. Ain't that what we all do?
I think he benefits more than Blue by sticking around another year. He has the tools and will be showcased, even more so with Blue gone. If he goes the defensive stand he had against Miami helped him a lot. Two quick blocks and got the loose ball. Very long and athletic gives him look of NBA guy. I say he sticks around.
Quote from: Goose on April 16, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
I think he benefits more than Blue by sticking around another year. He has the tools and will be showcased, even more so with Blue gone. If he goes the defensive stand he had against Miami helped him a lot. Two quick blocks and got the loose ball. Very long and athletic gives him look of NBA guy. I say he sticks around.
One play in a blowout win helps him get drafted? Doubtful.
Quote from: Goose on April 16, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
I think he benefits more than Blue by sticking around another year. He has the tools and will be showcased, even more so with Blue gone. If he goes the defensive stand he had against Miami helped him a lot. Two quick blocks and got the loose ball. Very long and athletic gives him look of NBA guy. I say he sticks around.
I see where your coming from as he is going to have to be one of the go-to scorers next year, but I disagree a little bit. I think it makes more sense for a guy like Wilson to leave early in a draft like this than Blue. Not sure how Wilson is going increase his stock next year. Maybe more consistency? He's not going to shoot a much better clip, he's been in college for 4 years, only getting older...might be time to test the waters. Hope the rumors are false though.
Quote from: 4th and State on April 16, 2013, 03:56:43 PM
I see where your coming from as he is going to have to be one of the go-to scorers next year, but I disagree a little bit. I think it makes more sense for a guy like Wilson to leave early in a draft like this than Blue. Not sure how Wilson is going increase his stock next year. Maybe more consistency? He's not going to shoot a much better clip, he's been in college for 4 years, only getting older...might be time to test the waters. Hope the rumors are false though.
With Blue gone he'd definitely be the featured scorer. Instead of <10 ppg he'd probably average 16-18 with a higher shooting % and showcase his versatility on a nightly basis. That has to have some appeal. I can see it from the other way too though, but not sold that he'd be drafted.
Wadesworld
Did not say one play would get him drafted. Just saying big stage and big time plays in short order. He was stud in that game and definitely opened eyes IMO.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on April 16, 2013, 04:00:09 PM
With Blue gone he'd definitely be the featured scorer. Instead of <10 ppg he'd probably average 16-18 with a higher shooting % and showcase his versatility on a nightly basis. That has to have some appeal. I can see it from the other way too though, but not sold that he'd be drafted.
Didn't he shoot close to 40% from 3 this year? I'm not sure he could do much better than that.
Quote from: MARQ_13 on April 16, 2013, 03:50:08 PM
Why do you not believe that ? I think the chance Wilson leaves is close to 60/40 leaning towards staying the more I think about it. I mean isn't he already graduating this semester? It would be his fifth year in college and maybe he's ready to move on. I feel he would really benefit staying another year though and his stock would rise being the feature player on next year's team.
I just don't think he's ready. He has the opportunity next year to showcase and improve his game even more. His stock in my opinion has a way better chance in going up instead of going down next year. With that said, next years draft class is going to be really good so he may tread waters I guess...
Quote from: 4th and State on April 16, 2013, 04:02:18 PM
Didn't he shoot close to 40% from 3 this year? I'm not sure he could do much better than that.
Shot 36% flat for the year. Was trending up at the end of the season though with increased attempts, which leads me to believe that would carry over to a full season next year with additional polish & reps this off season. I could see him shooting 40%+ on 5 attempts/game next year instead of 36% on just under 3 attempts/game this year. That would definitely get noticed.
There is zero part of Jamil's game that is NBA-ready, and I'd be shocked if any NBA team would ever for a second think about drafting him.
Especially when I postwhore at work like now
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 16, 2013, 03:51:29 PM
Play for pay. Ain't that what we all do?
Quote from: ecompt on April 16, 2013, 04:14:30 PM
There is zero part of Jamil's game that is NBA-ready, and I'd be shocked if any NBA team would ever for a second think about drafting him.
0 part? Disagree. How many contested turnaround, fadeaway jumpers from the baseline has he hit the last 2 years? Those are entirely NBA shots. He can shoot the rock. And his size and athleticism are absolutely NBA ready. He's more ready for the NBA than Vander is, in my opinion.
He was inconsistent for a good chunk of the season and then really put it together in the end. We need him to help carry the load next year. We need the good Todd Mayo to show up as well. Gardner being a stud is a given but we need more than him. I think Wilson and Mayo are the X factors next year.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2013, 04:17:53 PM
0 part? Disagree. How many contested turnaround, fadeaway jumpers from the baseline has he hit the last 2 years? Those are entirely NBA shots. He can shoot the rock. And his size and athleticism are absolutely NBA ready. He's more ready for the NBA than Vander is, in my opinion.
He is a 44 percent shooter who did not average 10 points a game in any of his three collegiate seasons. The NBA is full of guys who can hit those shots better than Jamil can. He can have a very nice career in Europe.
When Wilson declares Buzz will have the team he wants. One that no thinks will be any good and he then will get them to play with a chip on their shoulder.