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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MJS_Says on April 16, 2013, 10:30:16 AM
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Initial thoughts on Vander Blue's departure
The news that Vander Blue will enter the NBA draft is surprising. Personally, I thought Vander Blue needed another year to make himself a better NBA prospect. So did at least one NBA source I spoke to.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/203200151.html
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Of course he's not ready. Blue is getting horrible advice, but it's his life—and he now needs to deal with the consequences.
There was a time players didn't leave early unless they were guaranteed to be a top five pick...then it was a lottery pick...then it was a first round pick. Now, it's if there's a slight chance you might get picked at the end of the second round. Wow.
Good luck, Vander. You'll need it.
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Of course he's not ready. Blue is getting horrible advice, but it's his life—and he now needs to deal with the consequences.
There was a time players didn't leave early unless they were guaranteed to be a top five pick...then it was a lottery pick...then it was a first round pick. Now, it's if there's a slight chance you might get picked at the end of the second round. Wow.
Good luck, Vander. You'll need it.
Why so bitter? You just sound like a butthurt fan.
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Why so bitter? You just sound like a butthurt fan.
Bitter???? Don't be silly. I have much more important things to worry about in my life. Sorry, but a 19-year old declaring for the NBA draft doesn't make the list.
I'm expressing my honest opinion. Last time I checked, that was the purpose of this board.
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I think he's older than 19... just saying.
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Why so bitter? You just sound like a butthurt fan.
I think the overarching concern is that vander blue won't get drafted. I don't think anyone on the board is bitter, if he was a clear first rounder, or even 2nd rounder, most on this board would say great. But he isn't even a clear 2nd rounder, and if you don't get drafted within the top 10 picks of the 2nd round, history has shown that an nba career is nearly impossible.
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I think the overarching concern is that vander blue won't get drafted. I don't think anyone on the board is bitter, if he was a clear first rounder, or even 2nd rounder, most on this board would say great. But he isn't even a clear 2nd rounder, and if you don't get drafted within the top 10 picks of the 2nd round, history has shown that an nba career is nearly impossible.
+100000
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I think he's older than 19... just saying.
He is 20
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+100000000 Yup. His hiring an agent is pure arrogance. Test the waters? Sure.
He is not ready.
Have fun in Turkey. Maybe
# what did JB, WM, JC and DJO do? # rude awakening upcoming
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You have got to be kidding?
Look, I think Vander has shown he has matured as a college player considerably from two years ago. But playing at Marquette in the Big East is very different than playing for an NBA team. He's a young man about to enter the world of basketball beasts.
In short, if he goes through with this, I question whether he can make an NBA team -- even the Timberwolves or the Bobcats. He needs another year of tutulage under Buzz and a lot of work on his shooting.
If this is really it for Vander, we all wish him well, hope we're wrong and he develops into the next DWade! Scoop needs to update its banner to thank Vander too!
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+100000000 Yup. His hiring an agent is pure arrogance. Test the waters? Sure.
He is not ready.
Have fun in Turkey. Maybe
# what did JB, WM, JC and DJO do? # rude awakening upcoming
You are the worst kind of fan.
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Updated article
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/marquettes-vander-blue-taking-his-shot-at-the-nba-eq9ivqr-203228131.html
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Updated article
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/marquettes-vander-blue-taking-his-shot-at-the-nba-eq9ivqr-203228131.html
As always, Hunt never fails.
Williams' best hope is that rising sophomore Todd Mayo, who was academically ineligible for the first semester last season, steps up his game. Mayo, the heir to Blue's shooting guard position, and point guard Derrick Anderson are Marquette's only experienced returning backcourt players. Together, they averaged about 6.5 points last season.
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As always, Hunt never fails.
Williams' best hope is that rising sophomore Todd Mayo, who was academically ineligible for the first semester last season, steps up his game. Mayo, the heir to Blue's shooting guard position, and point guard Derrick Anderson are Marquette's only experienced returning backcourt players. Together, they averaged about 6.5 points last season.
Hopefully that Derrick Anderson cat has an outside shot.
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You are the worst kind of fan.
A lot of those coming out in the past 12 hours, though many in lesser degrees.
As far as Derrick Anderson, his wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_Anderson) says he's one of the top 2% of players in the world at playing Starcraft
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Yup. His hiring an agent is pure arrogance. Test the waters? Sure.
Test the waters? There is no more testing the waters. After 4/16, your either in or your out. Given that, why would he not hire an agent to help him? Have a thought.
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You are the worst kind of fan.
If Van ends up in Germany then that would really be the wurst!
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Derrick Anderson????
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If Van ends up in Germany then that would really be the wurst!
Awesome. Well done.
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As always, Hunt never fails.
Williams' best hope is that rising sophomore Todd Mayo, who was academically ineligible for the first semester last season, steps up his game. Mayo, the heir to Blue's shooting guard position, and point guard Derrick Anderson are Marquette's only experienced returning backcourt players. Together, they averaged about 6.5 points last season.
Not to mention that Todd Mayo is a current sophomore and a rising junior, not a rising sophomore.
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+100000000 Yup. His hiring an agent is pure arrogance. Test the waters? Sure.
He is not ready.
Have fun in Turkey. Maybe
# what did JB, WM, JC and DJO do? # rude awakening upcoming
Wow. If I didn't know better, I might almost think you are wishing him the worst; I might believe you are hoping he fails miserably to make your point.
But, that can't be true, can it? You wouldn't wish ill on someone from the Marquette community just because they opted, for better or worse, to pursue their dreams in a manner that doesn't fit your shoe horn? Or would you?
Oh, one last thing: You don't need to respond with the typical "I hope he proves me wrong," tag-line. I get it. Everyone needs a way out.
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I think in general it's a bad move to go early if you don't go in the first round. While I understand that the NBA drafts on potential, it is less likely to do so for a 6-3 guy, especially one who has played three years of college ball.
After last season, I thought Vander to the NBA after this season was a pipe dream. Now, it is a bit of a stretch, but not impossible. I'm not sure how he is going to significantly improve his stock during workouts, though. It's not like he going to start drilling 20 foot jumpers left and right. I guess it boils down to whether or not his handle is what it needs to be to make one GM (and that is all he has to convince) think he has the potential to play the point.
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Wow. If I didn't know better, I might almost think you are wishing him the worst; I might believe you are hoping he fails miserably to make your point.
But, that can't be true, can it? You wouldn't wish ill on someone from the Marquette community just because they opted, for better or worse, to pursue their dreams in a manner that doesn't fit your shoe horn? Or would you?
Oh, one last thing: You don't need to respond with the typical "I hope he proves me wrong," tag-line. I get it. Everyone needs a way out.
Settle the hell down. Many people outside this site are expressing the same opinion. He's simply not ready for the NBA. He's not crazy athletic...still has trouble finishing at the rim...and lacks a consistent outside shot. Does he possess one skill that's NBA ready? I don't think so...and I'm not alone. If he beats the odds, great for him. If he doesn't, he needs to live with the consequences. Simple as that.
Guess that makes me bitter and a hater. ::)
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Settle the hell down. Many people outside this site are expressing the same opinion. He's simply not ready for the NBA. He's not crazy athletic...still has trouble finishing at the rim...and lacks a consistent outside shot. Does he possess one skill that's NBA ready? I don't think so...and I'm not alone. If he beats the odds, great for him. If he doesn't, he needs to live with the consequences. Simple as that.
Guess that makes me bitter and a hater. ::)
Do you not see the difference between:
"I don't think this is the right move for him."
and
"Have fun in Turkey. Maybe."
One is an opinion. The other is a selfish dick statement made out of malice.
We can argue the pro's and con's of his early entry all day long. There are good arguments both ways and ultimately, only time will reveal the answer as to whether the decision was right or wrong. However, you'll excuse me if I get annoyed when people bash the kid and make statements such as the one above just because he made a decision that doesn't fit their narrow world view. It is possible to disagree with his decision in a respectful manner, isn't it?
Thanks for the commentary though. I am much more "settled down" now. Can't remember when I called you, specifically, bitter or a hater, but I apologize for it nonetheless.
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If age = maturity, then McGary is a lock for the draft: turns 21 in two months.
We know the draft class is weak this year but what we don't know is what teams are planning on doing with their second round picks: some will draft nuggets (we hope Vander's one) but some with draft Euros and stash them away.
All I know is Vander better wow those scouts in scrimmages and workouts as well as the NBA combine.
With more high profile players declaring soon, it pushes his late first round prospects into the questionable, anything-goes second round.
And if he doesn't, MU's adding another one to Europe or the NBADL and Fleo's wondering what may have been if he stayed.
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Do you not see the difference between:
"I don't think this is the right move for him."
and
"Have fun in Turkey. Maybe."
One is an opinion. The other is a selfish dick statement made out of malice.
We can argue the pro's and con's of his early entry all day long. There are good arguments both ways and ultimately, only time will reveal the answer as to whether the decision was right or wrong. However, you'll excuse me if I get annoyed when people bash the kid and make statements such as the one above just because he made a decision that doesn't fit their narrow world view. It is possible to disagree with his decision in a respectful manner, isn't it?
Thanks for the commentary though. I am much more "settled down" now. Can't remember when I called you, specifically, bitter or a hater, but I apologize for it nonetheless.
Good point.
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As always, Hunt never fails.
Williams' best hope is that rising sophomore Todd Mayo, who was academically ineligible for the first semester last season, steps up his game. Mayo, the heir to Blue's shooting guard position, and point guard Derrick Anderson are Marquette's only experienced returning backcourt players. Together, they averaged about 6.5 points last season.
I was more interested in the part that says Buzz and Marquette were caught off guard.
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I was more interested in the part that says Buzz and Marquette were caught off guard.
A little concerning, but Hunt has not demonstrated that he has great insight into the MU program this year that I recall. Hard to put a lot of stock in that without some other sources.
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A little concerning, but Hunt has not demonstrated that he has great insight into the MU program this year that I recall. Hard to put a lot of stock in that without some other sources.
Tie Hunt's comments with Jeff Goodman's.......
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Tie Hunt's comments with Jeff Goodman's.......
And what did Goodman say.....
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And what did Goodman say.....
"baffling" "head scratching decision"
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22083950/marquettes-vander-blue-heading-to-nba
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"baffling" "head scratching decision"
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22083950/marquettes-vander-blue-heading-to-nba
So are you implying Goodman is a mouth-piece for Buzz?
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So are you implying Goodman is a mouth-piece for Buzz?
I'm implying Goodman has always been very pro Buzz and has had some good scoops and reporting on Buzz. That's what I am implying.
I find it interesting that Hunt says MU and Buzz were caught by surprise...maybe he made that up, or maybe he didn't. I find it interesting that someone at a major draft website was very surprised that he declared. I find it interesting that Jeff Goodman finds the decision baffling and a head scratcher. Whether 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 or all of this is coincidental, I don't know.
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To all the Self Appointed Arbiters of Good Taste on this Board:
Allow me to rephrase:
(He is not ready) Watch ESPN Films 30 for 30 "Survive and Advance," Directed by Jonathan Hock. The story of the 1983 NC State National Championship. LISTEN to what is said.
He is not ready.
(Have fun in Turkey. Maybe) I have been around College Basketball for 45 years. Pardon my snarky remark but he is not ready. He is listening to bad advice. And the shortsightedness of these kids is so sad. Sad for the loss of a degree. Sad for the what he represents by leaving early. He does not have the skills to compete in the NBA. Just sad and disappointed for Vander, for the Marquette Community, for the kids who look up to him.
I wish I were wrong. I'm not. He is not ready. Best of luck. Time will tell. I'm not a hater, just a fan with perspective. You only get so many years of athletic eligibility in college. And now the best year of his college career is gone forever.
Want proof? The last second miracle against Davidson does not happen. Marquette goes home with a Round of 64 loss. Vander stays for his Senior Year. He has the same skills either way.
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To all the Self Appointed Arbiters of Good Taste on this Board:
Allow me to rephrase:
(He is not ready) Watch ESPN Films 30 for 30 "Survive and Advance," Directed by Jonathan Hock. The story of the 1983 NC State National Championship. LISTEN to what is said.
He is not ready.
(Have fun in Turkey. Maybe) I have been around College Basketball for 45 years. Pardon my snarky remark but he is not ready. He is listening to bad advice. And the shortsightedness of these kids is so sad. Sad for the loss of a degree. Sad for the what he represents by leaving early. He does not have the skills to compete in the NBA. Just sad and disappointed for Vander, for the Marquette Community, for the kids who look up to him.
I wish I were wrong. I'm not. He is not ready. Best of luck. Time will tell. I'm not a hater, just a fan with perspective. You only get so many years of athletic eligibility in college. And now the best year of his college career is gone forever.
Want proof? The last second miracle against Davidson does not happen. Marquette goes home with a Round of 64 loss. Vander stays for his Senior Year. He has the same skills either way.
+1 You are spot on. MU 1977
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I wish Vander the best. Yet I think he is making a mistake.
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To all the Self Appointed Arbiters of Good Taste on this Board:
Allow me to rephrase:
(He is not ready) Watch ESPN Films 30 for 30 "Survive and Advance," Directed by Jonathan Hock. The story of the 1983 NC State National Championship. LISTEN to what is said.
He is not ready.
(Have fun in Turkey. Maybe) I have been around College Basketball for 45 years. Pardon my snarky remark but he is not ready. He is listening to bad advice. And the shortsightedness of these kids is so sad. Sad for the loss of a degree. Sad for the what he represents by leaving early. He does not have the skills to compete in the NBA. Just sad and disappointed for Vander, for the Marquette Community, for the kids who look up to him.
I wish I were wrong. I'm not. He is not ready. Best of luck. Time will tell. I'm not a hater, just a fan with perspective. You only get so many years of athletic eligibility in college. And now the best year of his college career is gone forever.
Want proof? The last second miracle against Davidson does not happen. Marquette goes home with a Round of 64 loss. Vander stays for his Senior Year. He has the same skills either way.
It was not a miracle to beat Davidson....it was execution. ;)
I'm guessing based on the shock of many of the experts today, he would declare anyway. He was exploring this after freshman year apparently....that says something right there. He certainly has never been wanting in the confidence department. Hope it works out for him.
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It was not a miracle to beat Davidson....it was execution. ;)
I'm guessing based on the shock of many of the experts today, he would declare anyway. He was exploring this after freshman year apparently....that says something right there. He certainly has never been wanting in the confidence department. Hope it works out for him.
But I thought getting to the Final 4 was all about luck, not execution...
:D
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Personally I think its a bad decision and he got bad advice from somewhere but theres noting anybody can do now. I just cant help of thinking when Jereme Richmond declared a few years back and that what I worry about with Vander. Yes Vander is a much better player then Richmond was at the time of the draft but it just worries me for his sake. Selfishly I was very upset about his decision today because I though next year was going to be something very special but its his life and its over with. Hopefully he gets drafted but in all honesty I really dont see it happening.
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If Van ends up in Germany then that would really be the wurst!
Do you think Vander Blue is gouda 'nuff to play in Holland??
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If Van ends up in Germany then that would really be the wurst!
I hope Vander Blue doesn't end up playing in Italy and living off pasta glory...
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Just as a footnote, Coach McGuire said Maurice Lucas was not ready for the NBA and that he needed another year ... you never know.
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If Van ends up in Germany then that would really be the wurst!
If Vander Blue ends up playing in Moscow he'll have them Russian the court!
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If Van ends up in Germany then that would really be the wurst!
If Vander Blue wants to go to the NBA but ends up playing in Denmark he'll have to play his very best or Elsinore!
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If Van ends up in Germany then that would really be the wurst!
If Vander Blue ends up playing in China he'll be Peking to come home!
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If Van ends up in Germany then that would really be the wurst!
Marquette will spend Thanksgiving in Maui while Vander has Turkey everyday...
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If Van ends up in Germany then that would really be the wurst!
If Vander Blue ends up playing in Switzerland with the Grimm Reaper then the NCAA Tournament won't Matterhorn...
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If Van ends up in Germany then that would really be the wurst!
If Vander Blue ends up playing in Spain he'll find the game as easy as paella...
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All that matters now is that Blue perform at the NBA combine. If Vander can continue to create his own shot, especially against taller players, he will be fine and will get drafted. The key is low turnovers because of the speed of the game and shot creation and selection. Use what Buzz has taught him and make it happen.
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I'm implying Goodman has always been very pro Buzz and has had some good scoops and reporting on Buzz. That's what I am implying.
I find it interesting that Hunt says MU and Buzz were caught by surprise...maybe he made that up, or maybe he didn't. I find it interesting that someone at a major draft website was very surprised that he declared. I find it interesting that Jeff Goodman finds the decision baffling and a head scratcher. Whether 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 or all of this is coincidental, I don't know.
You've repeatedly said that Goodman is pro-Buzz and has had some good scoops. You've already repeatedly implied that his good scoops were tips, directly or indirectly, from Buzz. If you're going to try to be squishy so you can claim you've never said certain things, then at least use squishy words in the correct manner.