http://deadspin.com/explosions-reported-at-the-boston-marathon-473008941
I know its deadspin, but I thought they had good pictures.
Prayers for the injured. Beware secondary devices.
Just got off the phone with my brother-in-law, an MU grad who was running probably his 20th Boston Marathon. He finished about 20 minutes before the first explosion. Said it was incredibly loud, lots of ambulances, etc.
Quote from: tower912 on April 15, 2013, 02:52:07 PM
Prayers for the injured. Beware secondary devices.
Police allegedly already finding unexploded secondaries.
Awful situation. It always blows my mind that there are people that somehow have the morals/ethics/convictions to think this is somehow "right" or "ok" to do.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 15, 2013, 03:02:19 PM
Police allegedly already finding unexploded secondaries.
Awful situation. It always blows my mind that there are people that somehow have the morals/ethics/convictions to think this is somehow "right" or "ok" to do.
They are out there, trust me.
It just shows you the power of a small device, such as a pipe bomb, and the devastation and force that results. Whether placed in a backpack or a trashcan, it still causes the destruction and severe injuries to the human body.
The unexploded secondaries hopefully will lead investigators to clues/evidence to the suspects.
Also mentioned the families of the Newton school shooting were in the stands closeby, but not injured.
Just a shame.
I have a friend from high school who lives in Boston and he posted on Facebook that he was in Copely Square at the time, and he's OK but it's horrible chaos.
Have attended many of these and glad that we are not up there today. Prayers all around.
Quote from: nyg on April 15, 2013, 03:17:48 PM
They are out there, trust me.
Okay - I trust you
Quote from: nyg on April 15, 2013, 04:21:30 PM
And you should.
and I do... your authority on the mindset of terrorism is noted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=046MuD1pYJg
Quote from: sixstrings03 on April 15, 2013, 04:23:59 PM
and I do... your authority on the mindset of terrorism is noted
If you have 36 years of law enforcement experience, then you can comment on my authority, to include terrorism related matters. Any questions, fell free to PM me.
Quote from: nyg on April 15, 2013, 04:31:23 PM
If you have 36 years of law enforcement experience, then you can comment on my authority, to include terrorism related matters. Any questions, fell free to PM me.
Not sure how much clearer I can be: your authority is trusted.
Quote from: sixstrings03 on April 15, 2013, 04:38:41 PM
Not sure how much clearer I need to be: your authority is trusted.
Sorry, thought you were being a d-head and sarcastic. Thanks.
Just be cautious wherever scoopers go, there are absolute nut cases out there. Should be interesting as who is responsible for this incident. If Al-Queda, they might have announced responsibility by now. Probably what they call a "lone-wolf" suspect did this. Terrible for the families.
I bet domestic terrorists. Patriots Day was being celebrated today, even though it is actually April 19. OK bombing happened on that day too.
April 15 is tax day. Along with the Patriot day celebration in Boston. If it turns out that the incident at the JFK museum was also a blast, then I will lean toward a domestic origin for this.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 15, 2013, 05:15:25 PM
I bet domestic terrorists. Patriots Day was being celebrated today, even though it is actually April 19. OK bombing happened on that day too.
Bill Ayers...funny how some domestic terrorists are revered here in the States. The whole thing sickens me, I don't care who did it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 15, 2013, 03:00:20 PM
Just got off the phone with my brother-in-law, an MU grad who was running probably his 20th Boston Marathon. He finished about 20 minutes before the first explosion. Said it was incredibly loud, lots of ambulances, etc.
Give thanks he's ok, Lenny. IEDs is the new artillery.
Quote from: keefe on April 16, 2013, 01:25:38 AM
Give thanks he's ok, Lenny. IEDs is the new artillery.
+1000000000000000000
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2013, 09:36:33 PM
Bill Ayers...funny how some domestic terrorists are revered here in the States. The whole thing sickens me, I don't care who did it.
Who reveres Bill Ayers?
Thanks Keefe and Chico.
Barack Obama.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2013, 09:36:33 PM
Bill Ayers...funny how some domestic terrorists are revered here in the States. The whole thing sickens me, I don't care who did it.
WTF are you talking about? I simply suggested that given the dates in question, that I thought it was a domestic terrorist. And you bring up Bill Ayers???
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 16, 2013, 11:14:50 AM
WTF are you talking about? I simply suggested that given the dates in question, that I thought it was a domestic terrorist. And you bring up Bill Ayers???
Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground. The Weather Underground was a terrorist organization. Another former member, Kathy Boudin, is now a profesessor at Columbia University.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/The-Gory-Details-About-Terrorist-Teacher-Kathy-Boudin (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/The-Gory-Details-About-Terrorist-Teacher-Kathy-Boudin)
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/02/of-course-former-weather-underground-radical-convicted-of-felony-murder-now-an-adjunct-professor-at-columbia/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/02/of-course-former-weather-underground-radical-convicted-of-felony-murder-now-an-adjunct-professor-at-columbia/)
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on April 16, 2013, 12:05:39 PM
Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground. The Weather Underground was a terrorist organization. Another former member, Kathy Boudin, is now a profesessor at Columbia University.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/The-Gory-Details-About-Terrorist-Teacher-Kathy-Boudin (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/The-Gory-Details-About-Terrorist-Teacher-Kathy-Boudin)
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/02/of-course-former-weather-underground-radical-convicted-of-felony-murder-now-an-adjunct-professor-at-columbia/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/02/of-course-former-weather-underground-radical-convicted-of-felony-murder-now-an-adjunct-professor-at-columbia/)
I know who Bill Ayers is.
I'm wondering why he is quoting me and bringing up Bill Ayers and how some people "revere" him in the States. (As if kooks of some sort aren't revered everywhere.) It wasn't even relevant to the point I was making.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 16, 2013, 12:11:07 PM
I know who Bill Ayers is.
I'm wondering why he is quoting me and bringing up Bill Ayers and how some people "revere" him in the States. (As if kooks of some sort aren't revered everywhere.) It wasn't even relevant to the point I was making.
Just because yesterday was April 15th does not mean people should jump to conclusions. Nutjobs that hate the govt and all that business often target Government buildings/properties. As of right now no organization has taken credit for yesterday's bombings and new information is being released at a snails pace. As for Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground, it seems to just be an example of a domestic terrorist organization.
I wasn't jumping to a conclusion...I was guessing.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 16, 2013, 12:18:47 PM
I wasn't jumping to a conclusion...I was guessing.
/Throws hands in the air
//Buries face in hands
///Thinks about depreciating value of Marquette degree
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 16, 2013, 11:14:50 AM
WTF are you talking about? I simply suggested that given the dates in question, that I thought it was a domestic terrorist. And you bring up Bill Ayers???
Sultan,
1) I shouldn't have quoted you directly...my mistake
2) I just got done watching MSDNC (I mean MSNBC) with Chris Matthews and a few others saying the same thing you did....domestic terrorist, tea partier, etc. I find the "bundling" of tea party person with this kind of stuff absolutely disgusting. Tea Party folks aren't out there killing people. Nut jobs are and there are nut jobs on the right and the left. So I was more than a bit pissed off when I wrote it.
3) You don't revere him, there are people in the States that do and some of these very same people have the gall to make some outlandish statements about a lot of tragic incidents which I find absolutely @#$@#$# amazing (not you, talking head types)
I just find it interesting that domestic terrorist is equated to right wing and equated specifically to Tea Party folks (not you, again, my apologies).
Especially in light of the Homeland Security data out there....this is very interesting. End result, there are whack jobs everywhere, on the right, on the left....I'd like to see us get serious about some of this stuff and for starters, not give them 3 squares and a cot to live out their days.
(http://i.imgur.com/VfElS.jpg)
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on April 16, 2013, 12:38:28 PM
/Throws hands in the air
//Buries face in hands
///Thinks about depreciating value of Marquette degree
If you can't realize the difference, then I don't know what to say.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 16, 2013, 02:36:29 PM
Sultan,
1) I shouldn't have quoted you directly...my mistake
2) I just got done watching MSDNC (I mean MSNBC) with Chris Matthews and a few others saying the same thing you did....domestic terrorist, tea partier, etc. I find the "bundling" of tea party person with this kind of stuff absolutely disgusting. Tea Party folks aren't out there killing people. Nut jobs are and there are nut jobs on the right and the left. So I was more than a bit pissed off when I wrote it.
I agree on #2. Completely.
^^^ kinda ironic... At the RNC in St Paul 4+ years, ago, MSDNC 's booth was right next to Al Jazeera.
Coincidence?
As the father one of the fallen said tonight, his daughter dead...."I hope they catch the bastard and fry him."
As do I sir, as do I. Unfortunately all too often now we let the killers continue to draw breath.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2013, 09:36:33 PM
Bill Ayers...funny how some domestic terrorists are revered here in the States. The whole thing sickens me, I don't care who did it.
WTF are you talking about? I simply suggested that given the dates in question, that I thought it was a domestic terrorist. And you bring up Bill Ayers???
Nobody thinks of nor cares about Bill Ayers at all. I never understood the Faux News obsession with him. I know their job is to sensationalize every Republican party position including any minute detail. I'm with the Sultan as what does it have to do with Boston Marathon bomber even remotely. The date suggests one thing, but as everyone said we can't jump to any conclusions as the date could just be a red herring.
How has this terrible tragedy turned ever so slightly into a MUSCOOP banned subject?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 17, 2013, 07:44:48 AM
Nobody thinks of nor cares about Bill Ayers at all. I never understood the Faux News obsession with him. I know their job is to sensationalize every Republican party position including any minute detail. I'm with the Sultan as what does it have to do with Boston Marathon bomber even remotely. The date suggests one thing, but as everyone said we can't jump to any conclusions as the date could just be a red herring.
How has this terrible tragedy turned ever so slightly into a MUSCOOP banned subject?
Chicos' desparate desire to draw attention to himself. What else?
Here's something interesting that just caught my attention last night as I was reading some stuff about the entire thing. I saw this after they had said that it was a pressure cooker filled with bb's, nails, etc., and that they think it may have been in a black nylon bag. My first thought was that the bag would be very heavy.
Then I saw these pictures (http://deadspin.com/i-watched-the-marathon-bombing-from-above-these-are-my-473591429) on Deadspin. Look at the photo taken at 2:38 (approximately 15 minutes before the blast). This photo was taken maybe 20-30 yards from the spot. Look at the guy standing on the left side against the wall. It's also interesting to compare his bag (particularly the white square on top) with the bag in the photos (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/21996004/exclusive-photos-boston-marathon-bomb) that have been released.
Probably nothing. But enough to capture my thoughts.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 17, 2013, 07:44:48 AM
Nobody thinks of nor cares about Bill Ayers at all.
Except the president, who got his career jump started in help from the terrorist Bill Ayers, who admitted as much in his own autobiography.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 17, 2013, 07:44:48 AM
Nobody thinks of nor cares about Bill Ayers at all. I never understood the Faux News obsession with him. I know their job is to sensationalize every Republican party position including any minute detail. I'm with the Sultan as what does it have to do with Boston Marathon bomber even remotely. The date suggests one thing, but as everyone said we can't jump to any conclusions as the date could just be a red herring.
How has this terrible tragedy turned ever so slightly into a MUSCOOP banned subject?
People are jumping to conclusions all over the place and it happens all the time, on the left and on the right. It's sickening. On the left we have a bunch of folks insisting it is a domestic terrorist, probably a white guy, hates gov't, tea party type. I invite you to MSNBC, Huff Post, Salon, Daily Kos, etc....all over the place. On the right, people want to insist it's more Islamisicists, jihadist types.
Sorry, but people are making conclusions all the time.
And yes, many people care about Bill Ayers. Many more give him a free pass as well as those that have interacted with him over the years. Personally, I find it absolutely stunning that a known Domestic terrorist that was involved in several bombings that killed three people but targeted many others was allowed to teach at a university....wait, no I'm not...I'm not surprised at all. And the fact the very people in paragraph one that can't wait to jump to these conclusions about who did it, including a few that have said "domestic terrorism is even" worse, basically ignored Ayers....I find it the height of hypocrisy. Absolute height of it.
I'll finish with what the father of one of the dead said yesterday. "I hope they find the bastard and fry him". Damn right, but of course that would also be "wrong" in the eyes of many...so we enable these people to keep drawing air, give them three meals a day and keep moving on with their lives while 3 are dead (I've been reading it's more), while many are without limbs. Its sickening, but we refuse to treat criminals like criminals all too often. I pray for these families and I hope this father gets the justice he demands. Sadly, I doubt he will....Massachusetts has no death penalty....so there will be no frying...this person or persons will live to see the sun rise and set for years to come.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 17, 2013, 08:57:20 AM
People are jumping to conclusions all over the place and it happens all the time, on the left and on the right. It's sickening. On the left we have a bunch of folks insisting it is a domestic terrorist, probably a white guy, hates gov't, tea party type. I invite you to MSNBC, Huff Post, Salon, Daily Kos, etc....all over the place. On the right, people want to insist it's more Islamisicists, jihadist types.
Sorry, but people are making conclusions all the time.
And yes, many people care about Bill Ayers. Many more give him a free pass as well as those that have interacted with him over the years. Personally, I find it absolutely stunning that a known Domestic terrorist that was involved in several bombings that killed three people but targeted many others was allowed to teach at a university....wait, no I'm not...I'm not surprised at all.
I'll finish with what the father of one of the dead said yesterday. "I hope they find the bastard and fry him". Damn right, but of course that would also be "wrong" in the eyes of many...so we enable these people to keep drawing air, give them three meals a day and keep moving on with their lives while 3 are dead (I've been reading it's more), while many are without limbs. Its sickening, but we refuse to treat criminals like criminals all too often. I pray for these families and I hope this father gets the justice he demands. Sadly, I doubt he will.
Pretending to be fair and balanced. check
Anti-education agenda. check
Restating bias for the death penalty (putting the US in such esteemed countries as those primarily run by despots). check.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 17, 2013, 08:57:20 AM
People are jumping to conclusions all over the place and it happens all the time, on the left and on the right. It's sickening. On the left we have a bunch of folks insisting it is a domestic terrorist, probably a white guy, hates gov't, tea party type. I invite you to MSNBC, Huff Post, Salon, Daily Kos, etc....all over the place. On the right, people want to insist it's more Islamisicists, jihadist types.
Sorry, but people are making conclusions all the time.
And yes, many people care about Bill Ayers. Many more give him a free pass as well as those that have interacted with him over the years. Personally, I find it absolutely stunning that a known Domestic terrorist that was involved in several bombings that killed three people but targeted many others was allowed to teach at a university....wait, no I'm not...I'm not surprised at all. And the fact the very people in paragraph one that can't wait to jump to these conclusions about who did it, including a few that have said "domestic terrorism is even" worse, basically ignored Ayers....I find it the height of hypocrisy. Absolute height of it.
I'll finish with what the father of one of the dead said yesterday. "I hope they find the bastard and fry him". Damn right, but of course that would also be "wrong" in the eyes of many...so we enable these people to keep drawing air, give them three meals a day and keep moving on with their lives while 3 are dead (I've been reading it's more), while many are without limbs. Its sickening, but we refuse to treat criminals like criminals all too often. I pray for these families and I hope this father gets the justice he demands. Sadly, I doubt he will....Massachusetts has no death penalty....so there will be no frying...this person or persons will live to see the sun rise and set for years to come.
And here we have Massachusetts whose electorate is in favor of the death penalty but whose legislature has wisely defied the will of the people.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on April 17, 2013, 09:02:02 AM
Pretending to be fair and balanced. check
Anti-education agenda. check
Restating bias for the death penalty (putting the US in such esteemed countries as those primarily run by despots). check.
Anti-education?
Death Penalty also in countries not run by despots. If you want to go there, should we look into those countries that have universal health care that are run by despots...great false equivalency on your part and awesome straw man...the daily double.
Sorry, I'm with the father of one of those murdered. You can choose to be with someone else, but these people should be exterminated from the planet.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 17, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Anti-education?
Death Penalty also in countries not run by despots. If you want to go there, should we look into those countries that have universal health care that are run by despots...great false equivalency on your part and awesome straw man...the daily double.
Sorry, I'm with the father of one of those murdered. You can choose to be with someone else, but these people should be exterminated from the planet.
AMDG
Despots...like former top cop in Boston (then became our CofP here in L.A)
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/16/17777839-ex-boston-top-cop-bill-bratton-marathon-bomber-deserves-death-penalty
Despots...like the father of one of those killed.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/victim-id-boston-bombing-article-1.1318295
Despots....
http://www.newburyportnews.com/opinion/x266750019/Lets-make-the-death-penalty-an-option-again
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/howie_carr/2013/04/carr_death_penalty_the_only_justice_for_bomber
DESPOTS
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 17, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Anti-education?
Death Penalty also in countries not run by despots. If you want to go there, should we look into those countries that have universal health care that are run by despots...great false equivalency on your part and awesome straw man...the daily double.
Sorry, I'm with the father of one of those murdered. You can choose to be with someone else, but these people should be exterminated from the planet.
You just used a lot of fancy words and I don't understand what they mean. But since we're throwing out incendiary language, why don't you form a lynch mob and go hang someone in your thirst for revenge?
Here is a writer on Salon.com openly hoping the bombers are white men. The piece continues to stroke the false premise of "white privilege". Regardless, possibly the WORST article I have seen about the subject. Read at your own risk of killing brain cells.
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/)
Quote from: Henry Sugar on April 17, 2013, 09:31:15 AM
You just used a lot of fancy words and I don't understand what they mean. But since we're throwing out incendiary language, why don't you form a lynch mob and go hang someone in your thirst for revenge?
Lynch mob?
Ugh. Couldn't you have least worked in a Hitler reference to completely ensure that no worthwhile discussion can take place going forward?
High-class company we keep
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee41/roblowe14/Deaths.png)
Data is from Amnesty International
Quote from: Henry Sugar on April 17, 2013, 09:42:26 AM
High-class company we keep
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee41/roblowe14/Deaths.png)
Data is from Amnesty International
Well, take the Texas data out of there and it's more respectable.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 17, 2013, 09:41:40 AM
Lynch mob?
Ugh. Couldn't you have least worked in a Hitler reference to completely ensure that no worthwhile discussion can take place going forward?
That was guaranteed long before I started posting
Quote from: Henry Sugar on April 17, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
That was guaranteed long before I started posting
Perhaps, but you've raised the level of histrionics to a remarkable level.
Bravo.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 17, 2013, 08:57:20 AM
People are jumping to conclusions all over the place and it happens all the time, on the left and on the right. It's sickening. On the left we have a bunch of folks insisting it is a domestic terrorist, probably a white guy, hates gov't, tea party type. I invite you to MSNBC, Huff Post, Salon, Daily Kos, etc....all over the place. On the right, people want to insist it's more Islamisicists, jihadist types.
Sorry, but people are making conclusions all the time.
And yes, many people care about Bill Ayers. Many more give him a free pass as well as those that have interacted with him over the years. Personally, I find it absolutely stunning that a known Domestic terrorist that was involved in several bombings that killed three people but targeted many others was allowed to teach at a university....wait, no I'm not...I'm not surprised at all. And the fact the very people in paragraph one that can't wait to jump to these conclusions about who did it, including a few that have said "domestic terrorism is even" worse, basically ignored Ayers....I find it the height of hypocrisy. Absolute height of it.
I'll finish with what the father of one of the dead said yesterday. "I hope they find the bastard and fry him". Damn right, but of course that would also be "wrong" in the eyes of many...so we enable these people to keep drawing air, give them three meals a day and keep moving on with their lives while 3 are dead (I've been reading it's more), while many are without limbs. Its sickening, but we refuse to treat criminals like criminals all too often. I pray for these families and I hope this father gets the justice he demands. Sadly, I doubt he will....Massachusetts has no death penalty....so there will be no frying...this person or persons will live to see the sun rise and set for years to come.
This is a Title 18 federal crime. Use of a weapon of mass destruction to injure or kill. Just like Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph. Rudolph took a plea and is at Federal Supermax in Colorado, McVeigh was not that fortunate.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 17, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Anti-education?
Death Penalty also in countries not run by despots. If you want to go there, should we look into those countries that have universal health care that are run by despots...great false equivalency on your part and awesome straw man...the daily double.
Sorry, I'm with the father of one of those murdered. You can choose to be with someone else, but these people should be exterminated from the planet.
Everyone is "with the father". His sorrow and pain are unfathomable, and the idea of "frying" those responsible is appealing. My problem with the death penalty is that DNA testing has turned the whole process upside down, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt (rather than beyond a "reasonable" one) that more than a few on death row are actually innocent. Add to that the human element (ambitious and sometimes unscrupulous prosecutors, coerced confessions, etc.) and the certainty that the death penalty requires becomes a bridge too far for me. And believe me, I'm anything but a bleeding heart.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 17, 2013, 09:52:59 AM
Perhaps, but you've raised the level of histrionics to a remarkable level.
Bravo.
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