I was reading ajerseyguy's post today on the need to pick a leader for the new Big East. No question about that but he said:
"As has been the case for the past several months, the new Big East is involved in a power struggle between Georgetown and the rest of the league, with Marquette being the leader of the opposition, which may be too strong a word since there is a consensus about the need to move forward. The debate is on how to go about doing that."
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"There are some elements among the Catholic 7 group which wants to make a complete break from the Big East tradition of the past, which is beyond stupid."
I'm assuming he's talking about a power struggle over the new Big East commish, with one camp wanting someone with past ties to the old conference and another group of schools wanting a new guy without Big East baggage. Evidently he things Marquette vs Georgetown on the subject. Anyone heard about this?
http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=6516#more-6516
Would have been nice if he got the last part of the article correct....UCONN is playing Louisville for the national title, not Notre Dame.
didn't see this posted.
http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=6516
Time for New Big East to pick a leader
Now that Louisville has won the last battle of the Old Big East, the new Big East needs to get up to speed fairly quickly in putting together its infrastructure.
And that battle is far from over, as the Catholic 7 group of schools and their new playmates–Xavier, Creighton and Butler–attempt to forge a new legacy for the conference.
The old Big East did pretty well this winter, winning both the men's and women's national championships and placing three of the 4 Final 4 teams in the championship games.
As has been the case for the past several months, the new Big East is involved in a power struggle between Georgetown and the rest of the league, with Marquette being the leader of the opposition, which may be too strong a word since there is a consensus about the need to move forward. The debate is on how to go about doing that.
The stakes are big time since the league–Georgetown, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence, DePaul, St. John's, Marquette and the three newcomers–needs to be operational sooner, rather than later.
With the NCAA tournament now over, the focus should be to entice NCAA Vice President of Men's basketball championships Dan Gavitt into moving back to the new Big East as its first commissioner,
Hiring Gavitt should be a slam dunk move since he is the most qualified candidate available and would provide a link to the heritage of the Big East past–his father Dave founded the conference in 1979–as well as linkage to the NCAA.
There are some elements among the Catholic 7 group which wants to make a complete break from the Big East tradition of the past, which is beyond stupid.
Getting the Presidents to make a decision in a timely (next few weeks, instead of the next few months) will be the key issue. Schedules need to be made for fall and winter sports. Since many of the facilities used by teams in the new Big East are public arenas, they need to be booked well in advance.
But before that can happen, someone needs to be hired to do the booking. Hiring a new commissioner needs to be made a high, time-sensitive priority.
Speaking of things beyond stupid, this sentence is:
QuoteThere are some elements among the Catholic 7 group which wants to make a complete break from the Big East tradition of the past, which is beyond stupid.
What the hell does that mean?
Also, put DePaul in charge. Non-threatening, no real fanbase to get up in arms about someone equal/better not being charge...it's pretty much win-win for everyone that way.
From what I know, Georgetown has been a total d-bag from the beginning of this process.
We just need to go out to DC next winter and and show them who's boss.
Quote from: klyrish on April 10, 2013, 12:31:40 PM
Speaking of things beyond stupid, this sentence is:
What the hell does that mean?
Also, put DePaul in charge. Non-threatening, no real fanbase to get up in arms about someone equal/better not being charge...it's pretty much win-win for everyone that way.
That only sounds like a good idea now, if Depaul were to awaken again their school is bigger than Marquette and GTown combined and that is a big fanbase to get up in arms.
Quote from: Aughnanure on April 10, 2013, 12:27:13 PM
didn't see this posted.
not sure why, but someone started this in Superbar
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on April 10, 2013, 12:40:11 PM
That only sounds like a good idea now, if Depaul were to awaken again their school is bigger than Marquette and GTown combined and that is a big fanbase to get up in arms.
Been hearing that for almost 25 years now. Wake me when they actually do that.
Quote from: Aughnanure on April 10, 2013, 12:27:13 PM
didn't see this posted.
http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=6516
Time for New Big East to pick a leader
Now that Louisville has won the last battle of the Old Big East, the new Big East needs to get up to speed fairly quickly in putting together its infrastructure.
And that battle is far from over, as the Catholic 7 group of schools and their new playmates–Xavier, Creighton and Butler–attempt to forge a new legacy for the conference.
The old Big East did pretty well this winter, winning both the men's and women's national championships and placing three of the 4 Final 4 teams in the championship games.
As has been the case for the past several months, the new Big East is involved in a power struggle between Georgetown and the rest of the league, with Marquette being the leader of the opposition, which may be too strong a word since there is a consensus about the need to move forward. The debate is on how to go about doing that.
The stakes are big time since the league–Georgetown, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence, DePaul, St. John's, Marquette and the three newcomers–needs to be operational sooner, rather than later.
With the NCAA tournament now over, the focus should be to entice NCAA Vice President of Men's basketball championships Dan Gavitt into moving back to the new Big East as its first commissioner,
Hiring Gavitt should be a slam dunk move since he is the most qualified candidate available and would provide a link to the heritage of the Big East past–his father Dave founded the conference in 1979–as well as linkage to the NCAA.
There are some elements among the Catholic 7 group which wants to make a complete break from the Big East tradition of the past, which is beyond stupid.
Getting the Presidents to make a decision in a timely (next few weeks, instead of the next few months) will be the key issue. Schedules need to be made for fall and winter sports. Since many of the facilities used by teams in the new Big East are public arenas, they need to be booked well in advance.
But before that can happen, someone needs to be hired to do the booking. Hiring a new commissioner needs to be made a high, time-sensitive priority.
Leader like how? Commissioner? League champ? This sounds like a 7th grade girl's perception of how organizations work
My guess is MU and the opposition doesnt want Gavitt, HQ in Providence and perhaps start anew with records, branding and other intangibles. If so MU is in the wrong.
It really doesnt matter who is Commissioner as the heavy lifting (TV, postseason tourney) has already been done.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 10, 2013, 12:43:14 PM
Been hearing that for almost 25 years now. Wake me when they actually do that.
All it takes is a Kevin O'neil type coach I'm sure Depaul was saying the same thing in 93 about how they've been waiting a decade for Marquette to wake up.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on April 10, 2013, 12:40:11 PM
That only sounds like a good idea now, if Depaul were to awaken again their school is bigger than Marquette and GTown combined and that is a big fanbase to get up in arms.
There is no DePaul fanbase. Very few people care at all about college sports in Chicago, and the ones that do pretend to care follow U of I and ND.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on April 10, 2013, 12:40:11 PM
That only sounds like a good idea now, if Depaul were to awaken again their school is bigger than Marquette and GTown combined and that is a big fanbase to get up in arms.
100% sarcasm/ripping on DePaul. I was just too lazy to teal it.
Quote from: MDMU04 on April 10, 2013, 12:48:51 PM
There is no DePaul fanbase. Very few people care at all about college sports in Chicago, and the ones that do pretend to care follow U of I and ND.
I grew up in Chicago went to Lane Tech and OPRF and the majority of kids I went to HS with between those followed Depaul and U of I. If Marquette was down our fan base would look pretty bad too. All I'm saying is that they might not be very vocal because they have nothing to cheer for, they get good suddenly you get an army of students, locals and alumni going nuts for them.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 10, 2013, 12:36:13 PM
From what I know, Georgetown has been a total d-bag from the beginning of this process.
We just need to go out to DC next winter and and show them who's boss.
I kind of like this idea. Whoever wins the conference gets the control. Whoever finishes last, gets sh-- on, kind of like a high stakes game of a$$hole. Oh, and the worst team would have to trade their 2 best players to the best team in exchange for their 2 worst players.
I think if DePaul is winning they can get a bigger % of local fans than MU can. Chicago is a more enlightened town and there is not the prejudice against private schools in Chicago like there is in Milwaukee and Wisconsin.
When I enrolled in MU (fall, '93) it seemed like every Chicago kid I met was a big DePaul fan.
Powerstruggle?
Not in terms of overall success anyway. I think MU surpassed G-Town. I'm not sure why they feel so entitled? Reading their board makes my eyes hurt. Anybody care to prove me wrong with numbers?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on April 10, 2013, 12:48:16 PM
All it takes is a Kevin O'neil type coach I'm sure Depaul was saying the same thing in 93 about how they've been waiting a decade for Marquette to wake up.
I think there are fundamental differences between Marquette and DePaul and how they approach basketball. O'Neill was just one of the reasons that MU turned its program around in the 80s. The other reasons were much fundamental in nature.
I would think "power struggle" is greatly exaggerated. Sure, they had disagreements, Creighton's invite being one of them. But with Pilarz's connections over there, I doubt it was as fractious as the article implied.
Would be helpful to have more specifics. Power struggles and beyond stupid breaks from tradition...kind of need more specifics.
Quote from: MDMU04 on April 10, 2013, 12:48:51 PM
There is no DePaul fanbase. Very few people care at all about college sports in Chicago, and the ones that do pretend to care follow U of I and ND.
Chicago certainly isn't a college town, but that didn't stop the Horizon from selling out game after game after game when DePaul was great in the Aguirre-Cummings era. I didn't move to Chicago until 1994, long after DePaul stopped being relevant, but media friends of mine have told me that DePaul was one of the big tickets in town and was far more popular than the Bulls until Jordan arrived in '84.
Look at the Blackhawks' attendance the first part of last decade. Longtime hockey fans just refused to go and pay to see Dollar Bill Wirtz's horrible team. But then the Blackhawks got great again and it's become hard to find tickets.
The Bulls kept selling out after Jordan left but actual in-house attendance often was 5,000 or more below the announced crowds until Rose arrived. Now, I believe they have a waiting list again.
The White Sox couldn't give away tickets until they became a championship-caliber team in 2005. The last few seasons, when they again have been ordinary, attendance is back down to pre-2005 levels.
Even the Cubs have been playing to lots and lots of empty seats the last few years.
I guess what I'm saying is that, no, Chicago isn't town that traditionally loves college basketball. But Chicago is a town that loves winners and will go anywhere -- even to that depressing airplane hangar in Rosemont -- to support a winner.
If DePaul ever could win again -- and yes, that's a huge if -- fans will pay to watch them play.
Quote from: The Lens on April 10, 2013, 01:03:53 PM
I think if DePaul is winning they can get a bigger % of local fans than MU can. Chicago is a more enlightened town and there is not the prejudice against private schools in Chicago like there is in Milwaukee and Wisconsin.
When I enrolled in MU (fall, '93) it seemed like every Chicago kid I met was a big DePaul fan.
You started when I did at MU.
DePaul had Kleinschmidt.
Then they had Paul McPherson, QRich, Steven Hunter, Bobby Simmons, Andre Brown, and Wilson Chandler.
Not a bad stretch.
Then the coaching purges and bad hires started...or is it the lack of support from the AD...or from the slowly decreasing fan base?