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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 🏀 on April 09, 2013, 02:12:39 PM
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Per twitter.
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#mubb forward Jamal Ferguson has been granted his release & will transfer. He appeared in 14 games (4.6 mpg.) in 12-13.
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“I am hoping to find a school closer to my family, who are very important to me.” - Jamal Ferguson
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Best of luck to him.
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There's the one scholarship opening they were looking for.
Good luck, maybe a Hampton, VCU, Richmond, Old Dominion for the young fella.
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Wonder where his brothers are headed to, maybe they'll head somewhere together.
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I guess the writing was on the wall there. I do hope the best for you, Jamal! Hope to see you have success wherever you end up!
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Good luck to him wherever he chooses to go. Hopefully this means that Blue and Otule are here to stay.
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With no disrespect to Jamal, I think the more appropriate title for this thread is "Chris Otule to Return"
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Good luck, Jamal. With Jamal and Jake (not that he was a real scholly issue), we are set. If Chris doesn't come back, Mayo transfers or Vander goes early, I am confident Buzz has a plan in place.
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Thanks Jamal.........We enjoyed having you here..Best of luck with your future
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Good luck and best wishes. PT wasn't here for him, and better guys were coming in behind him.
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So we're even on scholarships, and now have an opening if Blue leaves OR Otule doesn't return OR anyone else leaves OR anyone doesn't enroll. LOL at those who were panicked about being one over for months now - if you live by that and never, ever stop recruiting you self-impose scholarship penalties on the program for your own failure to recruit.
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That's too bad. He's going to be a good player for someone.
Best of luck to him.
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I had high hopes for his ability to contribute down the line. I think he'll be a good player for someone. Best of luck.
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With no disrespect to Jamal...
Umm...nice try, Ricky Bobby.
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Sucks; I for one was impressed with his offensive talent in limite minutes. While you can always say there are better people coming in; bottom line is he still would have had a full year of practice and acclimation into the program to speak of. Freshman don't have that.
Here's hoping mayo, blue and otule return!!!
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Figurin' Buzz will have 3 spots to fill.
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Too bad. Thought there could be something good in the future.
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Sucks; I for one was impressed with his offensive talent in limite minutes.
Well, I really didn't see anything there that can't be replaced. He committed pretty early - just at the start of his junior season. He seemed to have peaked early as he was ranked in the top 70 when he verballed, but fell off after he graduated.
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Umm...nice try, Ricky Bobby.
That's "With all due respect".....
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Thought he would turn into a good player for MU in the future. Good luck, Jamal, wherever you go. At least he can always say he played on an Elite Eight team.
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Not surprising....we spent more time on here speculating that Tokoto would transfer then one of our own.
Best of luck to Mr. Ferguson.
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There's the one scholarship opening they were looking for.
Good luck, maybe a Hampton, VCU, Richmond, Old Dominion for the young fella.
Dn't discount UVA or Va. Tech
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At least 4 open scholarships after next year, big recruiting year for Buzz again, timing is perfect, PR can not be better. Can Buzz get into a Top 10 household besides Looney next
year?
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Not surprising....we spent more time on here speculating that Tokoto would transfer then one of our own.
Best of luck to Mr. Ferguson.
What? http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38147.0;all
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That's "With all due respect".....
Yeah, I know that Ricky Bobby didn't say, "no disrespect to Jamal..." But thanks for clearing that up. I think that most people on here can see that there's some similarity between "with all due respect" and "no disrespect to Jamal." The point stands...just saying "no disrespect to Jamal" doesn't change the fact that it was a gratuitously disrespectful statement.
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Dn't discount UVA or Va. Tech
When players have transferred under Buzz, I can't recall a single instance of them landing at high major schools. I would be extremely surprised to see him other than a place like Hampton or ODU.
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When players have transferred under Buzz, I can't recall a single instance of them landing at high major schools. I would be extremely surprised to see him other than a place like Hampton or ODU.
Mostly concur, is that because of a miss in talent evaluation?
Reggie Smith is probably the exception, transferred to UNLV.
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When players have transferred under Buzz, I can't recall a single instance of them landing at high major schools. I would be extremely surprised to see him other than a place like Hampton or ODU.
Maymon to Tennessee.
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When players have transferred under Buzz, I can't recall a single instance of them landing at high major schools. I would be extremely surprised to see him other than a place like Hampton or ODU.
Newbill at PSU
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Newbill at PSU
Not a transfer, actually.
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I'm mildly surprised by this, although it's true his playing time probably would have been sparse the next couple of years. Thought it would be Todd on his way out one way or another, and I suppose that could still happen.
FWIW, Jamal's family was sitting behind the bench at the Georgetown game in DC - probably 5 or 6 people - and Buzz gave his mom a kiss on the cheek during pre-game and shook everybody else's hand. Hope this was Jamal's choice and that there are no hard feelings on either side, but such is life in major D1 hoops. I, too, was impressed by his athleticism and demeanor in limited minutes and bet we'll be hearing his name in future years.
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Mostly concur, is that because of a miss in talent evaluation?
Reggie Smith is probably the exception, transferred to UNLV.
And Smith flamed out at UNLV too.
And I don't know if it is a miss in talent evaluation. It could be drive. It could be the whole transition to life away from home. Combination of the three? Whatever it is, it happens at many places. And I would rather have them leave to find a better fit then take up room on the bench for four or five years like at UW.
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Mostly concur, is that because of a miss in talent evaluation?
Reggie Smith is probably the exception, transferred to UNLV.
That worked out real well for him. No clue where he is at now.
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Maymon to Tennessee.
LOL...forgot about that disaster.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22007798/transfer-list-first-edition
Goodman's transfer list as of five days ago. Any worthwhile names? If we lose another guard I'd be in for Granberry as a one year.
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What? http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38147.0;all
Double what http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=36737.msg463022#msg463022
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Not a transfer, actually.
He went first to Southern Miss.
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I'd like to see him in the A-10 or the Colonial. I've always liked those conferences and they have a lot of teams in and near Virginia.
VCU, Old Dominion, William & Mary, Richmond, George Washington, James Madison, Towson, etc.
He could be a major impact player at one of those schools. I'd love to see him being a key contributor on a tourney cinderella sometime in the near future.
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That worked out real well for him. No clue where he is at now.
He ended up at Eastern Illinois. I believe he is eligible this coming Fall.
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He ended up at Eastern Illinois. I believe he is eligible this coming Fall.
Good grief. Thanks
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That worked out real well for him. No clue where he is at now.
Correct, it didn't. That's why I ask if it was a poor talent evaluation, or a kid that didn't have the motor and the staff thought he did, who knows. Sultan is correct, it happens at a lot of places and will continue to unless more schools start to offer multi year scholarships which they are now allowed to do. It will be interesting to see in the recruiting battles if some coaches start to use that. "Come to my school and I guarantee you X years" vs other schools that may only offer a renewable one year...if I were a borderline player, I may ask that as leverage in terms of what schools to consider.
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Not a transfer, actually.
2 tournament appearances this millennia, 5 in 57 years: Not a High major, actually.
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Kudos to Sunbelt, he called that one. Didn't see that coming at all...not sure if that means he expected time early or if he simply didn't see time coming in the future.
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Good luck Jamal. Would have loved to see you play more at MU. Love your game. You will do well.
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Correct, it didn't. That's why I ask if it was a poor talent evaluation, or a kid that didn't have the motor and the staff thought he did, who knows. Sultan is correct, it happens at a lot of places and will continue to unless more schools start to offer multi year scholarships which they are now allowed to do. It will be interesting to see in the recruiting battles if some coaches start to use that. "Come to my school and I guarantee you X years" vs other schools that may only offer a renewable one year...if I were a borderline player, I may ask that as leverage in terms of what schools to consider.
And a lot of top schools will say "no thanks" and pass them up.
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Correct, it didn't. That's why I ask if it was a poor talent evaluation, or a kid that didn't have the motor and the staff thought he did, who knows. Sultan is correct, it happens at a lot of places and will continue to unless more schools start to offer multi year scholarships which they are now allowed to do. It will be interesting to see in the recruiting battles if some coaches start to use that. "Come to my school and I guarantee you X years" vs other schools that may only offer a renewable one year...if I were a borderline player, I may ask that as leverage in terms of what schools to consider.
Enlighten me on how this works? Can't a coach say "Oh yes, I'll match Directional State U and give you an X year scholarship", and after the first is a failure and he needs a scholarship say "Your scholarship can not be taken away as it's promised for next year. But you won't play, actually you'll have the role of a walk-on in practices...but if you want to transfer your release is right here in my hand."? Or is the player also unable to transfer until the offered period is over, or can he leave but the offered scholarship still affects the limits whether the player is still there or not?
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I had high hopes for his ability to contribute down the line. I think he'll be a good player for someone. Best of luck.
I don't know if i had high hopes about his future as a player given he rarely played to evaluate, but i definitely was intrigued because he seemed super athletic and pretty long armed, so maybe at worst he'd be a really good wing defender and great out in transition.
I did see him interviewed on the Buzz show on TW and he seemed to be a really great kid, so hopefully he finds success elsewhere.
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Kudos to Sunbelt, he called that one. Didn't see that coming at all...not sure if that means he expected time early or if he simply didn't see time coming in the future.
Thanks Brew, but now I'm kinda sad. Best wishes to J. Ferguson.
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Assuming Vander, Jamil W, Juan come back. He would be competing with JJ and DB for playing time. Bottom line is he could be a HM player but we are bringing in some real talent at his same postion who are not going to start.
With CO and DG probably gettting 40+ minutes and you also have Mckay and ST getting the majority of minutes at the 4. Juan and Jamil will probably get most of there minutes on the wing and Vander is going to get 30 minutes at the 2/wing, Where is he going to get minutes on the wing?
I don't think it was a talent miss just that our best recruit is the same type of player as him, and our most college ready recruit is also and our best 2 returning player's play the wing as well. (assuming Vander comes back)
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Assuming Vander, Jamil W, Juan come back. He would be competing with JJ and DB for playing time. Bottom line is he could be a HM player but we are bringing in some real talent at his same postion who are not going to start.
With CO and DG probably gettting 40+ minutes and you also have Mckay and ST getting the majority of minutes at the 4. Juan and Jamil will probably get most of there minutes on the wing and Vander is going to get 30 minutes at the 2/wing, Where is he going to get minutes on the wing?
I don't think it was a talent miss just that our best recruit is the same type of player as him, and our most college ready recruit is also and our best 2 returning player's play the wing as well. (assuming Vander comes back)
Why does no one ever include Mayo in these scenarios? Something there?
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Why does no one ever include Mayo in these scenarios? Something there?
Mayo didn't include himself in very many scenarios this year, why would we think next year will be any different?
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Correct, it didn't. That's why I ask if it was a poor talent evaluation, or a kid that didn't have the motor and the staff thought he did, who knows. Sultan is correct, it happens at a lot of places and will continue to unless more schools start to offer multi year scholarships which they are now allowed to do. It will be interesting to see in the recruiting battles if some coaches start to use that. "Come to my school and I guarantee you X years" vs other schools that may only offer a renewable one year...if I were a borderline player, I may ask that as leverage in terms of what schools to consider.
If this is what it going to happen, then couldn't this lead to schools using this as leverage to keep their star players from entering the draft (i.e., as it is a semi-contract)?
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Disappointing. Hoped he would make a bigger impact next season. Best of luck to him wherever he goes.
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Enlighten me on how this works? Can't a coach say "Oh yes, I'll match Directional State U and give you an X year scholarship", and after the first is a failure and he needs a scholarship say "Your scholarship can not be taken away as it's promised for next year. But you won't play, actually you'll have the role of a walk-on in practices...but if you want to transfer your release is right here in my hand."? Or is the player also unable to transfer until the offered period is over, or can he leave but the offered scholarship still affects the limits whether the player is still there or not?
The NCAA changed the legislation last year on a very close vote. Marquette was one of the schools that voted against the new legislation, as did most schools. However, to override the legislation the schools needed at 62.50% of the vote, but only 62.12% voted it down.
Scholarships are one year, renewable offers. Now, schools can offer multi-year scholarships if they wish. In your scenario above, the coach could certainly say you are stuck on the bench and will never play, but it protects the player from being Purnelled, Buzzcut, Creaned, etc....his tuition, R&B, etc is paid for under the multi-year offer. I don't know if it has any impact on transfer status, good question.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/02/ncaa_correctly_passes_multiyea.html
http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2012-02-17/multiyear-scholarships-be-allowed
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If this is what it going to happen, then couldn't this lead to schools using this as leverage to keep their star players from entering the draft (i.e., as it is a semi-contract)?
I don't think so....that opens up a can of worms that implies contract employee status which the NCAA absolutely does not want to go down.
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Mayo didn't include himself in very many scenarios this year, why would we think next year will be any different?
Are you saying you think the new guys will make him into Jake Thomas Jr. (Role player only playing when 3's are needed). Remember, he does have two SOG's.
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Yeah, I know that Ricky Bobby didn't say, "no disrespect to Jamal..." But thanks for clearing that up. I think that most people on here can see that there's some similarity between "with all due respect" and "no disrespect to Jamal." The point stands...just saying "no disrespect to Jamal" doesn't change the fact that it was a gratuitously disrespectful statement.
Mea culpa. When I wrote what I wrote I was thinking the satirical nature of what I was trying to say would be quite apparent... I had this post on my mind from this morning when I wrote my earlier post
Oh yay. Another thread turned into a pissing match about something the thread wasn't about.
and I was merely foreshadowing that this thread would quickly turn into a CO discussion; however, I was wrong on that point and I neglected the way my comment would be perceived had it stayed on topic. It serves as a reminder to me that Scoop isn't full of a bunch of degenerate thread-jackers like myself.
That said, I - as much as anyone - wish the best for Jamal. (there I go, back on topic... heh, sometimes I even surprise myself)
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Wow! Ferguson leaving, Jake Thomas leaving, rumors that Vander is going pro and arguing with Buzz. I guess the situation of being over by two scholarships has evaporated. Hopefully Buzz has a stud in his sights for this next class. I hear the #1 ranked recruit is looking at Ky. but is not signed yet. Can Buzz land him?
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Wow! Ferguson leaving, Jake Thomas leaving, rumors that Vander is going pro and arguing with Buzz. I guess the situation of being over by two scholarships has evaporated. Hopefully Buzz has a stud in his sights for this next class. I hear the #1 ranked recruit is looking at Ky. but is not signed yet. Can Buzz land him?
Don't forget Otule's returning as well, and yes I'm sure we could make a last minute run and convince possibly the best high school recruit since Kevin Durant or maybe LeBron to come play for us.
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Are you saying you think the new guys will make him into Jake Thomas Jr. (Role player only playing when 3's are needed). Remember, he does have two SOG's.
I really hope Todd can turn things around. I for one would really like to see a smile, like OX, on that kid.
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When players have transferred under Buzz, I can't recall a single instance of them landing at high major schools. I would be extremely surprised to see him other than a place like Hampton or ODU.
nevermind already stated!
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Hopefully it works out for him. Some guys are good enough to go to a high major, but not good or consistent enough to be a contributor getting solid minutes. Better fit for a mid major. Jamail Jones is going to be playing on the Florida Gulf Coast team that got to the Sweet 16 this year. He's the highest profile player to go to play at FGCU so far, and he should start right away. Looks like transferring out and moving to a smaller, close-to-home school is going to really work out for him. Hopefully they find a good replacement for Enfield. An Indiana assistant is considering the job.
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I am sorry to see him go, because I thought he had a lot of potential. However, with the talent coming in next year his playing time was not going to increase, so if playing time is important to him he is making the right decision.
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Mea culpa. When I wrote what I wrote I was thinking the satirical nature of what I was trying to say would be quite apparent... I had this post on my mind from this morning when I wrote my earlier post
and I was merely foreshadowing that this thread would quickly turn into a CO discussion; however, I was wrong on that point and I neglected the way my comment would be perceived had it stayed on topic. It serves as a reminder to me that Scoop isn't full of a bunch of degenerate thread-jackers like myself.
That said, I - as much as anyone - wish the best for Jamal. (there I go, back on topic... heh, sometimes I even surprise myself)
I wasn't thinking that. It was more the stupid Dom James discussion. Happily, this thread got back on track.
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I'm not surprised, but really hoped he would stay around. I think in about 2 years he is going to be a special player. I think VCU would be an ideal landing spot for him as I think their style will fit his skill set.
Buzz knows Shaka, would be interesting to know if they have talked about Ferguson.
Best of luck to the guy, I was a fan from what I have seen from him.
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Not surprising....we spent more time on here speculating that Tokoto would transfer then one of our own.
Best of luck to Mr. Ferguson.
Speculating about some other schools transfers is much preferable to speculating about our own.
Since Hunt has already speculated that Jake Thomas was Buzz cut, I guess that he won't make that insinuation about Jamal. NAH.
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Newbill at PSU
We were talking about high major schools, not conferences.
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Wow! Ferguson leaving, Jake Thomas leaving, rumors that Vander is going pro and arguing with Buzz. I guess the situation of being over by two scholarships has evaporated. Hopefully Buzz has a stud in his sights for this next class. I hear the #1 ranked recruit is looking at Ky. but is not signed yet. Can Buzz land him?
No.
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At least 4 open scholarships after next year, big recruiting year for Buzz again, timing is perfect, PR can not be better. Can Buzz get into a Top 10 household besides Looney next
year?
Oooh, I'm glad to hear that Looney apparently already has committed!
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Mayo didn't include himself in very many scenarios this year, why would we think next year will be any different?
Crazy, I guess, but I wonder if Buzz looks to really teach/guide/help Mayo develop as a person by being present and available to M as his coach. I really believe in BW as one who lives and practices AMDG, the Jebby motto. I dunno, but it seems that Buzz bonds with parents, relishes the task, and truly commits to help/train young men become all they can be in their beginning adulthood - and do it in the context of the ridiculously competitive arena of major college basketball. I dunno.
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I really think staying at Marquette is in Todd's best interest. From all the staff comments and articles written, it really seems like he will end up better off as a person if he spends 4 years here. What he does on the court is secondary.
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Always get a little wistful when it doesn't work out for a kid and he decides to leave. I guess it just goes to show how hard it is to succeed in big-time college ball. Good luck, Jamal.
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UVA bloggers are going crazy over Jamal Ferguson's transfer. Nothing but good things are being said from those that have seen him play or played with him. Wondering if that's his next stop. With Blue leaving, is it too late to change his mind and come back.
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Ferguson to transfer to North Carolina Central per Dave Telep.
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Ferguson to transfer to North Carolina Central per Dave Telep.
Ouch.
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Ferguson to transfer to North Carolina Central per Dave Telep.
Anyone know if he's any relation to current NCC guard Drimir Ferguson?
Drimir is from the Bronx, not Virgina, and Ferguson is not an uncommon name, but just curious.
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Ferguson to transfer to North Carolina Central per Dave Telep.
I wonder why he chose North Carolina Central. I heard he got offers from UVA, James Madison, and ODU just to name a few. NCCU tallest player is 6'7". What going on there? Bad choice.
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I don't know enough about the situation to know whether it's a good or bad choice, but I have to say it's surprising. Jamal sure seems to have the talent and athletic ability to be a significant contributor for a high major program. I was thinking UVa or maybe ODU. This one is puzzling.
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Why would one assume that a guy who rarely played even a minute in MU games should be good enough for an ACC team or even an A-10 team?
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Is Swanson still on the roster? I don't see his name but Dylan Flood is on the MU Athletic site roster.
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Is Swanson still on the roster? I don't see his name but Dylan Flood is on the MU Athletic site roster.
Good catch. Looks like Buzz didn't renew his scholarship...
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Good catch. Looks like Buzz didn't renew his scholarship...
I thought he was a walk-on
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I thought he was a walk-on
I was kidding. In any event, it would seem he has now walked off...
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Good catch. Looks like Buzz didn't renew his scholarship...
+1 - great catch. Wonder what happened.
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Jamal sure seems to have the talent and athletic ability to be a significant contributor for a high major program. I was thinking UVa or maybe ODU. This one is puzzling.
Considering Old Dominion a high major is more puzzling.
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UNCC is a program on the upswing. Nice 2012-13.
IIRC they tied MU with about 6 minutes left to play in Milwaukee.
Marquette shot an incredible eFG% and got to the line a lot, but turned the ball over nonstop.
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Considering Old Dominion a high major is more puzzling.
That would be...but I don't. The high major reference was to UVa, not ODU.
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I wonder why he chose North Carolina Central. I heard he got offers from UVA, James Madison, and ODU just to name a few. NCCU tallest player is 6'7". What going on there? Bad choice.
You heard wrong.
I don't know enough about the situation to know whether it's a good or bad choice, but I have to say it's surprising. Jamal sure seems to have the talent and athletic ability to be a significant contributor for a high major program. I was thinking UVa or maybe ODU. This one is puzzling.
We say that oftentimes when someone transfers out...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27083.msg306715#msg306715
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32697.msg396644#msg396644
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Is Swanson still on the roster? I don't see his name but Dylan Flood is on the MU Athletic site roster.
Swanson has left the program and the university.
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Swanson has left the program and the university.
That's unfortunate. He was going to be the next Novak.
(attempting to poke fun at posters who overrate MU's walk-ons, not Garrett himself)
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Swanson has left the program and the university.
Hopefully he comes back for the Elite 8 Banner ceremony and for the day we retire Otule's number.
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You heard wrong.
So who offered him a scholarship "Mr. Know It All"?
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Swanson has left the program and the university.
Another walk on walks off. In the (small) minds of UW fans, surely this is worth another Buzz cutting thread.
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So who offered him a scholarship "Mr. Know It All"?
Ooo...fourth grade insults. Cute.
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That's unfortunate. He was going to be the next Novak.
(attempting to poke fun at posters who overrate MU's walk-ons, not Garrett himself)
Pfft.
Like it were even possible to overrate Rob Frozena.
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#mubb forward Jamal Ferguson has been granted his release & will transfer. He appeared in 14 games (4.6 mpg.) in 12-13.
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Seems like a good move for him considering his standing with all the other guys coming in. Sucks tho because when he was a junior in HS i was pumped about his commitment
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Why would one assume that a guy who rarely played even a minute in MU games should be good enough for an ACC team or even an A-10 team?
Because he was good enough to be recruited by a Big East team and Buzz in the first place? Of course, there are misses all the time by all coaches, and that could be the case here.
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Ooo...fourth grade insults. Cute.
Exactly! You don't know, but felt the need to speak on it and put me down......And I'm fourth grade? ?-(
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Exactly! You don't know, but felt the need to speak on it and put me down......And I'm fourth grade? ?-(
Stop being so immature. I know that his offers were limited.
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Stop being so immature. I know that his offers were limited.
We all do. We're just not allowed to tell anyone how or why we know this.