Would you take advantage of the Russell Wilson rule and transfer? I think he should go get a check but what if Texas offered him a ride? Or some tropical paradise? Would you go see the world via the NCAA?
Considering he was the starting center for the Big East Champion and an Elite Eight team, I'd probably stay right where I am knowing that I could be on an even better team next year.
I wouldn't. And I'm not sure he can since he already started his graduate program.
i understand the idea of playing professionally, but i remember a CS intervie with Chris Grimm who was comparing his professional life in Europe to his playing days at MU... pretty stark contrast when you think about stucture, support, food, friends, etc... he specifically compared eating at steak houses as a team in Chicago to eating at knock-off McDonalds by yourself as a pro...
for a guy like Otule, it's arguable he has a better quality of life here in College than he would in Europe. but i wouldnt blame him if he wanted to leave too, at some point the 5 am Buzz's Life Lesson lectures have to get a little old...
also, there is 0.00% chance he would transfer for 1 year.
Never quit recruitin'
Buzz Williams gave Otule a chance when no one else was interested. Buzz stood by Chris when he learned he was half-blind. Buzz stuck with him through injuries. Buzz has been a constant for CO these past 5+ years. If he decides to go, it won't be to another school. He either finished his career at Marquette or he will finish his career at Marquette.
And, as Sultan mentioned, he is ineligible to use the one-year transfer rule because he is already enrolled in graduate classes.
He wouldn't improve his situation, won't play more, and won't be on a better team. So warm weather versus staying put? No decision. The real decision is one more year versus going abroad and getting paid. Also wouldn't have any benefit to leaving, but Jamil would be the bigger prize in the transfer market since he's graduating - thankfully we're in good shape for next year and seem to have a close team.
He's not getting paid overseas.
It was detailed here ...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=36202.msg453076#msg453076
Bottom line. Average US salary playing in Europe is $65k. Average player was someone that has years of professional experience and was probably a late round NBA draft. Rookies make half to two-thirds this amount.
Only three rookies in the top two French leagues last year, all were drafted and elected to play overseas (see DJO ... drafted and now playing overseas in a high division). Third division pays 1500 euros a month. Unsure Otule could even make the third division. These divisions play 75 games a year and his body is unproven with that kind of schedule.
Next fall Otule makes more selling insurance, or coaching high school in Texas, than trying to play in Europe. Only way that changes is if he gets draft in June. Have you seen his name on any draft boards?
Come back play 30 games next year like the last 10 and show you can make a season without injury. Try to get drafted. Then do like DJO and go overseas to make about $35k to $50k/year.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 07, 2013, 08:06:27 PM
I wouldn't. And I'm not sure he can since he already started his graduate program.
Incorrect. He graduated but is not in a graduate program.
He can't.
Chris needs a Five Year Rule waiver in order to compete next season. Such a waiver would be for playing at Marquette and MU only.
He simply is not a candidate to transfer as a graduate student and have immediate eligibility.
I would move onward. Five years in college is long enough for anyone.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 07, 2013, 10:56:46 PM
I would move onward. Five years in college is long enough for anyone.
Is it?
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Quote from: strotty on April 07, 2013, 09:26:15 PM
Incorrect. He graduated but is not in a graduate program.
So he's just taking classes? I didn't think he could do that.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 07, 2013, 09:28:45 PM
He can't.
Chris needs a Five Year Rule waiver in order to compete next season. Such a waiver would be for playing at Marquette and MU only.
He simply is not a candidate to transfer as a graduate student and have immediate eligibility.
Ahh...thank you very much.
There is a reason Chris did not participate in Senior Day this year. He loves Buzz and Buzz loves him. Can't wait to have him back!
I think that Chris returns next year. He knows that the team will have a good shot to win the conference and do some damage in March. Also, I think that we will see some great development in his game since this is really the first summer in a number of years that he will be able to concentrate on his game and not injury recovery.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 07, 2013, 10:56:46 PM
I would move onward. Five years in college is long enough for anyone.
Tell that to Tommy Calahan!
Chris deserves tremendous praise for placing himself in this position -- getting to pick from two great options. Few players possess the drive to overcome the set of physical hurdles placed before this man. He will find success in either decision and will be one of the great ambassadors of Marquette University.
If Chris were not coming back, why would he have not gone through the Senior Day rituals or had his image up with Cadougan and Lockett?
He's coming back guys.
If Chris comes back, they will be awful long upfront, McKay, Gardner, Wilson, Taylor and Juan, huge depth upfront. If Duane Wilson can think pass first there were many times that
Chris was frustrated because they did not know how to pass to him on the lower box, no reason he could not average double figures next year.
Quote from: Aughnanure on April 08, 2013, 10:18:07 AM
If Chris were not coming back, why would he have not gone through the Senior Day rituals or had his image up with Cadougan and Lockett?
He's coming back guys.
100% agree. After all he has done and been through at MU, if he was leaving he would have been a part of the senior day activities.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 07, 2013, 10:56:46 PM
I would move onward. Five years in college is long enough for anyone.
I guess your not a college football fan. If you were you would know that many players are red-shirted their freshman year and then giving the high injury rate, often miss another season and come back for a six year.
I guess your not a college track and field fan. If you were you would know that between cross country, indoor track and outdoor track that athletes in this sport stagger red-shirts and off years so 6 and even 7th years happen.
If you're only a fan of college basketball you would think a 6th year was rare.
And the reason they all stay so long is it is much more fun being a college student playing high D1 basketball (Chris Paul) than selling insurance (Cliff Paul). Do you have any insight that Otule finds selling insurance more interesting than beating Syracuse on Big Monday?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 08, 2013, 10:35:51 AM
I guess your not a college football fan. If you were you would know that many players are red-shirted their freshman year and then giving the high injury rate, often miss another season and come back for a six year.
Not really. In fact, under that scenario (i.e., redshirted by decision as a true freshman, then miss a year due to injury) a student-athlete does not fit the criteria for receiving a sixth year.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 08, 2013, 10:39:32 AM
Not really. In fact, under that scenario (i.e., redshirted by decision as a true freshman, then miss a year due to injury) a student-athlete does not fit the criteria for receiving a sixth year.
Happens all the time ... half the Alabama starters are sixth year players
I am fine with anything he decides to do. If I were his Dad I would tell him time to move on.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 08, 2013, 11:11:18 AM
Happens all the time ... half the Alabama starters are sixth year players
No, you are lying.
I really really hope he stays. I love the Otule/Devante combo and I think that each being able to come in for the other allows them to stay fresh and out of foul trouble. They are both better players when both are suiting up. And I love that we can go big and put them both in there when we have to, as Buzz did a couple times this year.
Blue and Otule will provide key senior leadership next year. They are so key to us getting deep in the tournament. Hope they both are back.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 08, 2013, 11:52:33 AM
No, you are lying.
Actually, half the 'Bama players are professionals, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 08, 2013, 12:29:18 PM
Actually, half the 'Bama players are professionals, hey?
You're just jealous because your alma mater doesn't have a football team. (Anymore, that is. I realize they were still playing big time football in the early fifties when you were in school.)
But, really.. AnotherMU84. Name a couple of examples if you don't want to believe me. You're w r o n g.
Quote from: Goose on April 08, 2013, 11:34:55 AM
I am fine with anything he decides to do. If I were his Dad I would tell him time to move on.
If he were my son I would STRONGLY tell him to do the exactly opposite. Next year he has a chance to be a major reason for a team to make a final four. Nothing he will do in his BASKETBALL career will come close to what he can do, and mean, next year for MU. He has a chance to make history and to throw that away to sell insurance or coach high school basketball*** would be a tragedy.
*** Let me be clear about this statement. It is not a slam against Otule. Simply, as I have noted in countless posts, he is not getting paid anything meaningful to play in Europe. He can make more money in the United States in a non-basketball job like selling insurance and/or coaching high school basketball. Now, if he comes back next year, and plays an entire season injury free like he played the last 10 games of this season, then the equation of him playing for money changes.
Until that happens, he is not getting paid to play basketball. So, what is he moving on to?
Another84...Everything you say about overseas is the exact opposite of what I have read and experienced (I worked for NIKE / NBA in 1997 based in Switzerland). Maybe dynamics have changed dramatically but guys have always been able to come out way ahead due to living stipends, transportation allowances and more.
Quote from: The Lens on April 08, 2013, 03:45:23 PM
Another84...Everything you say about overseas is the exact opposite of what I have read and experienced (I worked for NIKE / NBA in 1997 based in Switzerland). Maybe dynamics have changed dramatically but guys have always been able to come out way ahead due to living stipends, transportation allowances and more.
Also ... the NBDL pays 24k/year.
Many European leagues restrict the number of foreign players, typically to 1 or 2 per team. Teams also prefer veteran players that have experience in Europe over rookies given how hard the transition is.
http://www.globesportsmanagement.com/USA%20players%20in%20Europe.htm
Number of import players allowed per team:
1st div, 2nd div, 3rd div 4th div, 5th div
France 2 2 1 1 (64 teams) 2 (144 teams)
Italy 4 3 only ITA passports starting from 3rd Divisions
Spain 3 non E.U. 2 1
Greece 2 2
Turkey 2 2
Germany 2 1 1 to . (regional rules - hundreds of teams)
Belgium 2 1
Luxemburg 1 1 1 1
Generally . 2 1 / 2 Local rules
Holland No limit
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So to even get into the top few divisions you have to considered one of the top 100 Americans not playing in the NBA. Otherwise it is a third or fourth division team. Is Otule even in the top 100 of the NCAA right now?
Pay by division (I bolded third and fourth division monthly salaries) ....
Average monthly salary for an import player (in US) : a rough idea with a few examples
1st div 2nd div 3rd div 4th div 5th div
France 11000 ,5000 ,2500, 1500 including maybe a job besides bball 1000 including maybe a job besides bball
Italy 15000, 10000 , 2500
Spain 15000 (some 50 000 !) 7000 5000
Greece 20 000 80000
Turkey 15000 7500
Germany 5000 (some 25 000) 3000 1500 1500 1500
Holland 3500 1500
Luxemburg 2500 1500
Switzerland 4000 1500
England 2500 1500
Poland 6000 3000
Scandinavia 4000 2000
Eastern Europe 3500-50000 ?
Keep in mind that the economic situation in Spain and Greece is so bad that some lower division clubs have flat out stopped paying players.
A word on Rookie Salaries in Europe (remember that $65,000 is the average among all divisions with the division breakdowns are above)....
http://www.globesportsmanagement.com/USA%20players%20in%20Europe.htm
* Salary for a rookie may be one half to two third of the average salary
* European pro teams tend to sign less and less import rookies !
* The level of bball in Europe is far higher than it used to be
* The « Bosman » rule now allows a wider choice of players
* Teams now prefer to sign vet import players already accustomed to Europe and who can immediately fit into the team systems
Example : only one rookie (Kyle Hill from Eastern Illinois) in France's 1st division (32 imports) only 2 (Georgia Tech / Wisconsin) in France's 2nd division (36 imports)
* Same applies in many countries
* This means that unless you were in the NBA pre-draft lists or had tremendous reviews in a top NCAA D1 College, it will be difficult to start in a top pro league in Europe !
You will have to work your way up from either :
Some European countries where bball level is lower
A lower division of a « big » bball country (France, Italy .)
There, you will have to be very very good because top pro leagues coaches are generally « afraid » of recruiting a player coming from such leagues .
A vicious circle like we say in France .
If Dwight Burke can do it, Chris Otule certainly could. He may not get into the top leagues in Europe right away, but Burke started in Uruguay and made an all star team in Slovakia last year.
He may want to stay in college another year, but it's not like his game is going to get drastically better with one more year at MU.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 08, 2013, 04:10:07 PM
If Dwight Burke can do it, Chris Otule certainly could. He may not get into the top leagues in Europe right away, but Burke started in Uruguay and made an all star team in Slovakia last year.
He may want to stay in college another year, but it's not like his game is going to get drastically better with one more year at MU.
I disagree ... if Otule can play an entire season like the last 10 games this year, without injury, his "stock" will get drastically better. He might not have to play in a third world country like Burke for maybe $20k/year (less expensive flights back to the US to see his family).