Poll
Question:
Do you think when A HS player tranfers schools for Hoops only its a good thing?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 13
Option 2: No
votes: 23
I bring this up because many have been saying that Diamond Stone is going to transfer to Germantown HS to play basketball. At first glance it seems like a great thing. It benefits a player trying to get the best he can at his chosen sport. However, what if you are a player/parent who has been in the Germantown program for 8 years and it was likely you were going to be the starting 5 man next year? You get pushed down on the depth chart and someone else likely could get removed completely from the team. Germantown had been built up with their youth program and has recently started getting transfers the past few seasons. ALA Madison memorial... thoughts?
If you're a player or your kid is a player and someone better comes along and takes your/his minutes or roster spot, too bad. If you're good enough, you'll play.
Also, didn't Stone just win a state championship this season?
I don't necessarily like it, but I think it's unfair the WIAA makes a kid sit an entire year.
apparently there are 2 stud incoming freshmen next year at Dominican for the basketball program so hopefully stone stays put
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 04, 2013, 01:37:42 PM
If you're a player or your kid is a player and someone better comes along and takes your/his minutes or roster spot, too bad. If you're good enough, you'll play.
Also, didn't Stone just win a state championship this season?
Supposedly(and this is 3rd person info) the coach at Dominican is "bad". Evidently Stone wants to play for Showalter.
As for you comment above, in this case if your not the top recruit in the nation for his class I guess its too bad for you...
I played for coach Berger at Dominican when it was his first year as an assistant to coach wallershime. He is certainly not a bad coach and when I was there his main job was working with the "big men." He is very tall and still a very good basketball player at his age. He can develop Stone more and more if Stone stays at Dominican. Coach Bergers 1st year ended in a state championship so he must be doing something right.
Duane Wilson has tweeted that Stone will be staying at Dominican.
Quote from: M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS on April 04, 2013, 01:45:52 PM
Supposedly(and this is 3rd person info) the coach at Dominican is "bad". Evidently Stone wants to play for Showalter.
As for you comment above, in this case if your not the top recruit in the nation for his class I guess its too bad for you...
Mike Rice bad or Vinny Del Negro bad?
Anybody who followed Chicago high school hoops in the 80s and early 90s knows that letting high schoolers transfer can lead to a lot of shady business.
Bad, bad idea.
Seemed to work out well for Arthur Agee.
Depends.
Better coach? Better resources? Better comp? Better exposure?
Only example given is Diamond Stone to Germantown.
What if it was a kid from lowly regarded public school to highly regarded private school?
Not sure if Will Gates fits the example?
each situation is different. i know a player that got cut and transferred to a smaller less competitive school and did well in ball. is that wrong? Probably not. Did it enhance his overall high school experience? Probably so. I'm all for if you want to transfer then let them transfer. I think if you are good enough to pay then you will. it shouldn't involve the political bs of who put what time in youth programs getting coached by their daddy.
Quote from: lohaus on April 04, 2013, 04:01:32 PM
each situation is different. i know a player that got cut and transferred to a smaller less competitive school and did well in ball. is that wrong? Probably not. Did it enhance his overall high school experience? Probably so. I'm all for if you want to transfer then let them transfer. I think if you are good enough to pay then you will. it shouldn't involve the political bs of who put what time in youth programs getting coached by their daddy.
I know it's a typo, but there is some degree of hilarious irony to the slip.
I'm sure Marquette High would go against their standards and take Stone as a Junior. He'd just have to be able to handle the heavy course work.
Quote from: Tommypop on April 04, 2013, 01:49:26 PM
I played for coach Berger at Dominican when it was his first year as an assistant to coach wallershime. He is certainly not a bad coach and when I was there his main job was working with the "big men." He is very tall and still a very good basketball player at his age. He can develop Stone more and more if Stone stays at Dominican. Coach Bergers 1st year ended in a state championship so he must be doing something right.
Something like have 2 top 50 Division 1 college basketball recruits on the same team playing in Division 4 WIAA basketball? I think my mom could've coached that team to a State Championship at that level.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 04, 2013, 04:38:55 PM
I'm sure Marquette High would go against their standards and take Stone as a Junior. He'd just have to be able to handle the heavy course work.
Do you know for a fact that Diamond Stone is a below average student or are you just spewing BS?
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 04, 2013, 04:38:55 PM
I'm sure Marquette High would go against their standards and take Stone as a Junior. He'd just have to be able to handle the heavy course work.
I was born and raised in Milwaukee and have always been under the impression that Dominican is a really good high school.
What makes you say that Stone couldn't cut it at MUHS? Is he known to be a slacker academically or something?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2013, 04:42:01 PM
Something like have 2 top 50 Division 1 college basketball recruits on the same team playing in Division 4 WIAA basketball? I think my mom could've coached that team to a State Championship at that level.
Do you know for a fact that Diamond Stone is a below average student or are you just spewing BS?
A title is still a title. they dont come along easy
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2013, 04:42:01 PM
Do you know for a fact that Diamond Stone is a below average student or are you just spewing BS?
Yeah that sounded real badger fan-ish
Quote from: ElDonBDon on April 04, 2013, 04:52:49 PM
I was born and raised in Milwaukee and have always been under the impression that Dominican is a really good high school.
What makes you say that Stone couldn't cut it at MUHS? Is he known to be a slacker academically or something?
I mentioned MUHS cause it is a private school and I remember that Korey Luscious was able to transfer from King to Pius, without any issues. So I thinking that maybe there isn't an issue of kids transferring to private schools, as oppose to transferring to a public school (especially if your are not a resident of that school district).
As someone who went to Dominican and then transferred to MUHS, I can attest that MUHS is wayyy more rigorous academically. There was also a higher level of competition there in the classroom. Dominican is a great school. Just made the comment that MUHS is more challenging. Did not say Stone was a slacker or couldn't handle it academically, so don't twist my words. Just made the comment that it would mean more time in the books if he went. And that applies for anyone.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 04, 2013, 07:40:56 PM
I mentioned MUHS cause it is a private school and I remember that Korey Luscious was able to transfer from King to Pius, without any issues. So I thinking that maybe there isn't an issue of kids transferring to private schools, as oppose to transferring to a public school (especially if your are not a resident of that school district).
As someone who went to Dominican and then transferred to MUHS, I can attest that MUHS is wayyy more rigorous academically. There was also a higher level of competition there in the classroom. Dominican is a great school. Just made the comment that MUHS is more challenging. Did not say Stone was a slacker or couldn't handle it academically, so don't twist my words. Just made the comment that it would mean more time in the books if he went. And that applies for anyone.
Marquette high is a good school and so is Dominican. As an alumni from Dominican I obviously have a lot of pride in my school but I believe they have a history of superior basketball than muhs and many other schools in the state of Wisconsin.
Quote from: Tommypop on April 04, 2013, 08:12:48 PM
Dominican Varsity Basketball is superior to MUHS. I'd be curious to see how they would do playing in the Division I State Tournament. MUHS Basketball on the other hand has underachieved for the most part and have not been impressive as there other sports.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
Anybody who followed Chicago high school hoops in the 80s and early 90s knows that letting high schoolers transfer can lead to a lot of shady business.
Bad, bad idea.
It's still going on...look no further than this years Simeon squad.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 04, 2013, 08:22:33 PM
Dominican Varsity Basketball is superior to MUHS. I'd be curious to see how they would do playing in the Division I State Tournament. MUHS Basketball on the other hand has underachieved for the most part and have not been impressive as there other sports.
You said MUHS would have to go against it standards. I took that to mean Stone wasn't up to the academic standards currently. If so, you are implying Stone is below that standard. Did you mean something else?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on April 04, 2013, 09:16:19 PM
You said MUHS would have to go against it standards. I took that to mean Stone wasn't up to the academic standards currently. If so, you are implying Stone is below that standard. Did you mean something else?
+1
+100
Quote from: ElDonBDon on April 04, 2013, 09:19:32 PM
+1 +100
Not what I meant at all. By MUHS going against its standards, I meant that they only consider transfer after ones freshman year. Rarely do they take transfers who are not incoming sophomores, unless they are relocating from another state or some other extreme circumstance.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 04, 2013, 11:05:46 PM
Not what I meant at all. By MUHS going against its standards, I meant that they only consider transfer after ones freshman year. Rarely do they take transfers who are not incoming sophomores, unless they are relocating from another state or some other extreme circumstance.
Working with different definitions of 'standards'. All cleared up now.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 04, 2013, 11:05:46 PM
Not what I meant at all. By MUHS going against its standards, I meant that they only consider transfer after ones freshman year. Rarely do they take transfers who are not incoming sophomores, unless they are relocating from another state or some other extreme circumstance.
Like a student who just so happened to be the #1 basketball player in his class? ;)
Quote from: Litehouse on April 04, 2013, 01:38:35 PM
I don't necessarily like it, but I think it's unfair the WIAA makes a kid sit an entire year.
I think this is a fairly common rule regardless of state, Indiana does the same can someone chime in for Illinois?
The rule is there for exactly what this thread is about, moving from one school to another in the same city. Most times if the kid is not an amazing player and is changing schools because of a move or academic reason the old school will clear the kid to play right away. But if the reason is strictly basketball related it is extremely rare that the kid will be allowed to play the first year at the new school, especially if he is good.
The rule is meant to keep schools from, especially private schools, from just giving out scholarships and grabbing every good kid they can.
It really depends on the situation. Theres a similar case going on in Illinois right now. Duante Stephens is leaving Notre Dame (high school) to go to Niles North or Loyola. Hes doing it because the system they run at Notre Dame plays him in the post when in reality hes a big guard. Its good in this case because he is improving his stock by playing in a system that fits him better.