One of the key todays will be if we can offensive rebound (their weakness, our strength). I wonder if Buzz would put in a lineup with:
(1) Vander
(2) Trent
(3) Jamil/Steve Taylor
(4) Devante
(5) Chris
I think we'd probably get every rebound, although it wouldn't necessarily be the quickest line up out there.
I think you are likely to see Taylor at the low post and Davante at the high post. MU killed Syracuse with that line up last month.
Problem is that boeheim saw the same results last month. I would expect he won't get beat by the same approach again.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 30, 2013, 09:35:23 AM
Problem is that boeheim saw the same results last month. I would expect he won't get beat by the same approach again.
He'll just decide to not get beat by it? Surprised TC didn't decide to not get beat by Syracuse's zone. Did IU lose because Boeheim decided beforehand that the zone would be effective? Do "dibs" come into play when coaches both decide to not get beat?
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 30, 2013, 09:35:23 AM
Problem is that boeheim saw the same results last month. I would expect he won't get beat by the same approach again.
I think the problem this time for Cuse will be...all the attention will be on Davante down low, but Chris is a totally different player than when they played Cuse last time. He's a legit scoring threat now. Pick your poison Cuse.
Quote from: muguru on March 30, 2013, 09:56:26 AM
I think the problem this time for Cuse will be...all the attention will be on Davante down low, but Chris is a totally different player than when they played Cuse last time. He's a legit scoring threat now. Pick your poison Cuse.
I agree. One of the bigs needs to come up big today, whether it be Davante or Chris. If all else fails then we need to make some open 3's today
from the wings, and I'm lookin for Mayo or Thomas to make an impact in that area today.
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 30, 2013, 09:51:54 AM
He'll just decide to not get beat by it? Surprised TC didn't decide to not get beat by Syracuse's zone. Did IU lose because Boeheim decided beforehand that the zone would be effective? Do "dibs" come into play when coaches both decide to not get beat?
No--he will have a different approach to it. 35 years of this I'd expect JB to have a plan other than "nothing we can do about it." Good logic though.
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 30, 2013, 09:51:54 AM
He'll just decide to not get beat by it? Surprised TC didn't decide to not get beat by Syracuse's zone. Did IU lose because Boeheim decided beforehand that the zone would be effective? Do "dibs" come into play when coaches both decide to not get beat?
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If you notice in the first game, Davante was allowed to catch the ball at the high post at will. My guess is that they will deny him from even getting the ball.
When he said "decide not to get beat" what he meant was he is going to make MU use an option other than Gardner.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 30, 2013, 10:41:37 AM
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If you notice in the first game, Davante was allowed to catch the ball at the high post at will. My guess is that they will deny him from even getting the ball.
When he said "decide not to get beat" what he meant was he is going to make MU use an option other than Gardner.
I think you are right, they'll hedge to stop the pass to DG. That should open up opportunities either along the baseline or for 3's from the opposite wing.
I think they'll give us the 3 from the opposite wing and we need to have some guys hitting from outside.
Syracuse's length inside will pose problems. Need our guards to step up with perimeter shooting today.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 30, 2013, 09:35:23 AM
Problem is that boeheim saw the same results last month. I would expect he won't get beat by the same approach again.
With the Big East As We Know It coming to an end, Marquette coach Buzz Williams no doubt figured he'd seen the last of Syracuse's zone for a while.
He's a got a 290-pound player on the bench who can't wait to face it again.
"I know about spacing," Davante Gardner said Friday. "So they'll change it up and try to lock me down."
It takes a bit of bravado for a backup junior forward to have a "bring it on" attitude over Syracuse's 2-3 fortress, especially after the way coach Jim Boeheim's team dominated Indiana on Thursday night.
But Gardner had a standout game against the zone last month and can't wait for the rematch when the third-seeded Golden Eagles (26-8) face the fourth-seeded Orange (29-9) today with a berth in the Final Four on the line.
"I love playing against athletic guys," Gardner went on.
"Because they think they can just stop me. But I use my weight to push them around."
The Big East is turning into the league that just won't die. Syracuse is leaving for the ACC in the fall, and Marquette is one of the so-called "Catholic 7" basketball-centric schools breaking away from the pack and taking the Big East name with them. Two good runs in this NCAA tournament have created one more reunion, with the Orange seeking to avenge a 74-71 loss in Milwaukee on Feb. 25.
The star that night was Gardner, who went 7 for 7 from the field, 12 for 13 from the line, grabbed eight rebounds and scored a career-high 26 points.
"He got a lot of offensive rebounds, they found him in the lane, and he made good plays," Boeheim said.
"To me he's a very good player down there, and we obviously have to do better with him, for sure."
But, Gardner's confidence aside, Williams has a message for anyone looking for a repeat performance: Get real.
"I don't think he will play that well again. And that's only because he's never played that well before or since," Williams said. "So he played incredible. But we do need him to play. If you look at the games where we've won, the games where we've lost, Davante is a big pendulum swing."
Gardner's 14 points helped secure Marquette's win over Miami in the round of 16 on Thursday, putting the Golden Eagles closer to their first Final Four appearance since 2003.
Syracuse also hasn't been among the last quartet in a decade, when Carmelo Anthony led the Orange to the national title.
Marquette and Syracuse didn't play each other in that Final Four.
Their only NCAA tournament meeting came in 2011, when the Golden Eagles won 66-62 in the second round.
"I don't want to play Syracuse again," Williams said. "(People say) 'Well, you know them and you know their zone.' I know all that. I don't want to play 'em. I would rather play somebody else. But it's part of having so many good teams in our league that go to the NCAA tournament."
The matchup gave both Boeheim and Williams another chance to wax nostalgic about the conference that has produced 18 Final Four teams in 33 years, including six in the last seven seasons with five different schools. Williams referenced some of the big names that made the league, while Boeheim lamented how football has become the driving sport behind conference alignments.
"There's no question leaving the Big East will be sad, it already is in so many ways," Syracuse assistant coach Mike Hopkins said. "But it's a chance for one more game and it will mean the Final Four."
http://www.timesdispatch.com/sports/college/basketball/ncaa-mens/one-final-big-east-showdown/article_b27b430e-4918-5fa9-8bac-d2589da2543b.html
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 30, 2013, 10:37:48 AM
No--he will have a different approach to it. 35 years of this I'd expect JB to have a plan other than "nothing we can do about it." Good logic though.
lets just decide to not let them do that, then. Problem solved.
Quick entry passes into FT spot and quicker passes to cutter or post will help MU dissolve zone.
I'm concerned about Chris and Davante out there at the same time.
They won't recover off high screens quick enough and won't be able to get back into transitional D.