http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21966428/eying-the-elite-eight-tilts-syracuse-vs-marquette
This run should show everyone...including Buzz...that you can win a national title at MU. Next year's team will arguably more talented than this year's. If Buzz sticks around, we are on the verge of a next golden era. This isn't a team being carried by one of the all-time greats...this is a team effort.
That UCLA team that flies SWA?? Roger that. Idiots.
Sounds like Marquette's style is everything UCLA fans hate.
Quote from: LAZER on March 29, 2013, 08:47:38 AM
Sounds like Marquette's style is everything UCLA fans hate.
We are now the Oregon Ducks of college hoops. Cool unis, deep with athletes at every position, entertaining while winning at a high level. The opposite of cookie-cutter "tradition." Buzz would be nuts to hop off this train and leave behind the brand equity he has meticulously built to start all that over again. He has us on the verge the Al days. This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius, my friends.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 29, 2013, 08:55:38 AM
We are now the Oregon Ducks of college hoops. Cool unis, deep with athletes at every position, entertaining while winning at a high level. The opposite of cookie-cutter "tradition." Buzz would be nuts to hop off this train and leave behind the brand equity he has meticulously built to start all that over again. He has us on the verge the Al days. This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius, my friends.
So .... Buzz to the 76ers?
Vitale commented that Buzz is a new hot commodity in college basketball, implying that MU is not a top tier program. He remains a true ass.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2013, 08:59:14 AM
So .... Buzz to the 76ers?
That would be hysterical if it played out that way!
Quote from: jsglow on March 29, 2013, 08:43:58 AM
That UCLA team that flies SWA?? Roger that. Idiots.
I am just picturing a UCLA practice where the coach looks at his watch and says, "Okay, guys, lets wrap this up! It's almost time for all of us to go online and print out our boarding passes. Let's not wind up in the C group this time, okay? Those middle seats are a bitch!"
Buzz to the Bucks.
This is so dumb. All indications are that Stevens is in LA negotiating offers. Is our media that poor with words that the only way they can say, "hey this guy's a great coach," is, "He's going to go to [school with open job]!"
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 29, 2013, 09:15:25 AM
This is so dumb. All indications are that Stevens is in LA negotiating offers. Is our media that poor with words that the only way they can say, "hey this guy's a great coach," is, "He's going to go to [school with open job]!"
Stevens isn't in LA. He tweeted this AM that he is in Hinkle Fieldhouse. He's not going anywhere.
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 29, 2013, 09:15:25 AM
This is so dumb. All indications are that Stevens is in LA negotiating offers. Is our media that poor with words that the only way they can say, "hey this guy's a great coach," is, "He's going to go to [school with open job]!"
No he is not.
As for Buzz, Jeff Goodman was on Dan Patrick this morning and reiterated that Buzz should be their first call now that Smart and Stevens turned them down even though Buzz doesn't fit their profile for a new coach.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 29, 2013, 09:17:06 AM
No he is not.
As for Buzz, Jeff Goodman was on Dan Patrick this morning and reiterated that Buzz should be their first call now that Smart and Stevens turned them down even though Buzz doesn't fit their profile for a new coach.
Eff Goodman. Seems like he's pimping Buzz to UCLA.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 29, 2013, 09:18:26 AM
Eff Goodman. Seems like he's pimping Buzz to UCLA.
Guess I don't know what's wrong with saying that. He's just telling the truth. He should be their first call.
Dear Buzz,
Please come to LA and coach the storied Bruins to replace a three Final 4 coach and one who won the conference this season and made the NCAA's. I know we have been publically rejected by our top two choices and that coaching retread at NCST., but we will support you every step of the way including ValueSaver flights on Southwest, where bags fly free.
Sincerely,
Dan Guerrero
UCLA AD
Honestly that Stevens tweet really seems like a scheduled one.
@BUCoachStevens
Love walking thru Hinkle in the morning... Anxious to get started on our spring workouts next week.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 29, 2013, 09:16:15 AM
Stevens isn't in LA. He tweeted this AM that he is in Hinkle Fieldhouse. He's not going anywhere.
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Can anyone prove this by postin' Flight Aware?
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 29, 2013, 09:18:26 AM
Eff Goodman. Seems like he's pimping Buzz to UCLA.
How many times does he have to cry wolf before we stop listening to him?
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 29, 2013, 08:55:38 AM
We are now the Oregon Ducks of college hoops. Cool unis, deep with athletes at every position, entertaining while winning at a high level. The opposite of cookie-cutter "tradition." Buzz would be nuts to hop off this train and leave behind the brand equity he has meticulously built to start all that over again. He has us on the verge the Al days. This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius, my friends.
Great comparison!
I would love to be the Oregon of College Hoops!!
Quote from: jsglow on March 29, 2013, 08:43:58 AM
That UCLA team that flies SWA?? Roger that. Idiots.
C'mon now, at least they don't have to pay any baggage fees.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on March 29, 2013, 09:33:21 AM
How many times does he have to cry wolf before we stop listening to him?
I already have. Goodman's schtick is pretty well-known imo. I do wonder if he's making a play for another raise for Buzz.... I'd be surprised if Buzz put him up to it though.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 29, 2013, 09:12:33 AM
I am just picturing a UCLA practice where the coach looks at his watch and says, "Okay, guys, lets wrap this up! It's almost time for all of us to go online and print out our boarding passes. Let's not wind up in the C group this time, okay? Those middle seats are a bitch!"
Very well done.
I keep hearing they fly SWA, but is this fact? That's pretty remarkable if true. And stupid.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 29, 2013, 10:23:24 AM
Very well done.
I keep hearing they fly SWA, but is this fact? That's pretty remarkable if true. And stupid.
Andy Katz reported it
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/catId/Team~41~26
UCLA is paying Howland a $3.5 million buyout ($2.3 million for the first year and $300,000 for each of the subsequent four years, but it is negotiable if Howland takes another job). Guerrero said the money will come from an $80 million budget the school has for the athletic department. So there is suddenly money to pay a head coach, which wasn't always the case at UCLA. However, travel accommodations would have to change to lure a reputable coach, as the team has taken to flying Southwest Airlines -- as opposed to a more comfortable, chartered ride -- on road trips. The new Pauley is a plus, but the pressure to produce not just Pac-12 champions but Final Fours is real.
Have to be able to lock up our coaches for the long term to take that next step to elite.
We have the coach now the ball is in MU's hands.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 29, 2013, 09:31:42 AM
Honestly that Stevens tweet really seems like a scheduled one.
@BUCoachStevens
Love walking thru Hinkle in the morning... Anxious to get started on our spring workouts next week.
Simple way to squash speculation.
I truthfully have no current knowledge of the Buzz situation, but he sure looks like a guy building a program and not running out the door. Maybe I am allowing excitement of the NCAA to cloud my judgement, but I cannot see any reason to leave now. He has put to much work and energy into getting MU to this level I would hate to see him go do it all over again somewhere else. He is almost at level that he can ease off the gas a bit and share work with the staff. I seriously hope Buzz is enjoying the ride because it has been a great one to watch.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 29, 2013, 10:23:24 AM
Very well done.
I keep hearing they fly SWA, but is this fact? That's pretty remarkable if true. And stupid.
I don't think its all that unusual in short-lead time tournament situations.
I few years back I was on the same Chicago-to-Newark commercial United flight as the 'zags, who were on their way to the Pre-season NIT finals. Not even Few got a first class seat, although Heytvelt managed an exit row. The issue was that until they won their preliminiary game, they didn't know if they'd even need the charter.
That being said, I know a lot of travelers who would argue that SWA is a significant upgrade over UAL--especially a UAL transfer through Chicago.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 29, 2013, 08:42:31 AM
This run should show everyone...including Buzz...that you can win a national title at MU. Next year's team will arguably more talented than this year's. If Buzz sticks around, we are on the verge of a next golden era. This isn't a team being carried by one of the all-time greats...this is a team effort.
The big thing that this team/Buzz has right now that Crean didn't is an awesome recruiting class ALREADY waiting in the wings. This gives Buzz the bonafides he needs (and MU's athletic department) needs in order to ward off suitors, or, give Buzz the confidence this program is going up and up.
The '03 year was almost a fluke regarding how consistent a winning program MU is/was/had. Yes, we were able to use the Final Four year to build the Matthews/James/McNeal class, but that was a two year wait. Buzz has taken the program to three straight sweet 16s and have continued to build/improve recruiting classes every year.
That my friends, is the sign of a rock-solid program....and coach. Buzz ain't going anywhere. I see Buzz as our generation's Al McGuire. He'll coach here and then head to TV or something after he finally burns out or something. That's what I see.
Buzz is going to walk away from a preseason top 10 team—with a top 10 recruiting class coming in??? All for the honor of dealing with the insane expectations and pressure at UCLA?
Sorry, just not seeing it.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 29, 2013, 11:07:09 AM
The big thing that this team/Buzz has right now that Crean didn't is an awesome recruiting class ALREADY waiting in the wings. This gives Buzz the bonafides he needs (and MU's athletic department) needs in order to ward off suitors, or, give Buzz the confidence this program is going up and up.
The '03 year was almost a fluke regarding how consistent a winning program MU is/was/had. Yes, we were able to use the Final Four year to build the Matthews/James/McNeal class, but that was a two year wait. Buzz has taken the program to three straight sweet 16s and have continued to build/improve recruiting classes every year.
That my friends, is the sign of a rock-solid program....and coach. Buzz ain't going anywhere. I see Buzz as our generation's Al McGuire. He'll coach here and then head to TV or something after he finally burns out or something. That's what I see.
This isn't really true, Crean had:
Nick Williams - Ranked #36 overall by Scout
Tyshawn Taylor - Ranked #20 overall by Scout
They were pretty highly touted.
Quote from: spartan3186 on March 29, 2013, 11:20:49 AM
This isn't really true, Crean had:
Nick Williams - Ranked #36 overall by Scout
Tyshawn Taylor - Ranked #20 overall by Scout
They were pretty highly touted.
While great players, Buzz class is the best in the past three decades at Marquette.
Quote from: PTM on March 29, 2013, 11:24:06 AM
While great players, Buzz class is the best in the past three decades at Marquette.
Crean's last class doesn't touch the one Buzz has coming in next year.
Quote from: PTM on March 29, 2013, 11:24:06 AM
While great players, Buzz class is the best in the past three decades at Marquette.
I agree, but everyone on this board was pretty excited at the time. Those two, with the 3 amigos, were going to make that 2008-09 season pretty special.
In a lot of ways, if Buzz does leave (I don't think he will), there are a lot of parallels.
- Highly touted recruiting class at risk due to departure
- Awesome junior class that the departing coach is "abandoning"
Quote from: spartan3186 on March 29, 2013, 11:28:36 AM
I agree, but everyone on this board was pretty excited at the time. Those two, with the 3 amigos, were going to make that 2008-09 season pretty special.
Not to mention they would all be paired with Mbakwe in the middle.
These sportscasters have got it all wrong because they assume that Buzz thinks like they do. He will take a job like ULCA because it is better for HIM. But the one thing I can say with certainty is that Buzz is simply not wired like most people and certainly not like these sport guys. He views this as a "calling" and feels his greatest responsibility is to other people like the team, their "mothers", his other coaches. He left N.O. not for greater glory for himself (heck he took a step backward as a assistant coach) but because the athletic department was making it impossible to keep the promises he had made to his players. That is why Buzz leaves something. To leave behind people like Vander would simply kill him. It would be completely out of CHARACTER and we all know how Buzz feels about character revealed. Besides the fact that from a normal persons point of view it would be crazy to leave MU with the incoming class and the fact that he is going to return almost all the key elements next year. Listen to what he says "take a good job and make it a great job". He's talking about where he is right now.
Buzz will not leave unless he is "invited to leave" by the administration. As long as they treat him and the team fairly and keep their promises I'm not worried about what other jobs are available.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 29, 2013, 11:07:09 AM
The big thing that this team/Buzz has right now that Crean didn't is an awesome recruiting class ALREADY waiting in the wings. This gives Buzz the bonafides he needs (and MU's athletic department) needs in order to ward off suitors, or, give Buzz the confidence this program is going up and up.
If Buzz stays he will be coaching the best team Marquette has seen in 35 years.
Quote from: spartan3186 on March 29, 2013, 11:20:49 AM
This isn't really true, Crean had:
Nick Williams - Ranked #36 overall by Scout
Tyshawn Taylor - Ranked #20 overall by Scout
They were pretty highly touted.
Where are you getting those rankings?
Scout 2008 Final rankings:
Tyshawn Taylor - #83 (one spot ahead of Rotnei Clarke)
Nick Williams - unranked
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&pid=88&yr=2008
According to RSCI ....
Taylor - #73 overall
Williams - #88 overall
http://home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_100_Final_2008.htm
This year's class, per RSCI (as of Sept.):
Deonte Burton - #52
Jujuan Johnson - #57
Duane Wilson - #60
Per Scout:
Jujuan Wilson - #31
Deonte Burton - #54
Duane Wilson - #71
Quote from: spartan3186 on March 29, 2013, 11:20:49 AM
This isn't really true, Crean had:
Nick Williams - Ranked #36 overall by Scout
Tyshawn Taylor - Ranked #20 overall by Scout
They were pretty highly touted.
This isn't really true. Williams wasn't in Scout's final top 100. Taylor was in the 80s. Final RSCI rankings were Taylor 73 and Williams 88.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2013, 11:36:40 AM
Where are you getting those rankings?
Scout 2008 Final rankings:
Tyshawn Taylor - #83 (one spot ahead of Rotnei Clarke)
Nick Williams - unranked
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&pid=88&yr=2008
According to RSCI ....
Taylor - #73 overall
Williams - #88 overall
http://home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_100_Final_2008.htm
This year's class, per RSCI (as of Sept.):
Deonte Burton - #52
Jujuan Johnson - #57
Duane Wilson - #60
Per Scout:
Jujuan Wilson - #31
Deonte Burton - #54
Duane Wilson - #71
And this doesn't even include McKay...the #2 ranked JUCO player this year.
Look, I love Buzz and want him forever, and I think we will get him here as long as we want him because:
1) His style of "gosh, we're honored to be here" and his Texan approach to life ain't going to fly in Los Angeles and at UCLA. Folks, Buzz is wonderful for Marquette and Milwaukee. But I doubt it would play in Los Angeles.
2) We're building toward something special. Two more years and I think Buzz is a lifer at MU. We have, as other posters have said, an incredible incoming class. We also have a world-class training center, a fan base that shows up 15,000 strong for our home games and a team that's molded to Buzz. We're building toward the day that UCLA wants NOW -- a regular appearance in the Elite 8 or Final Four. If you don't bring a national championship home every year -- and I don't care how good you are, 1967 to 1974 won't ever happen again -- you are refuse at UCLA.
3) Buzz is the whole banana at Marquette. In LA, he's competing with USC, the Dodgers, the Lakers and the Clippers. His only real competition in Wisconsin is the Packers and Badger football. He blew Bo Ryan's doors off about the time Vander switched from rodent to Warrior.
Stick around Buzz! You're loved here!
As soon as our season ends, whenever it ends, offer Buzz a big new contract. We need to do all we can to keep him.
Stevens stays.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9111901/brad-stevens-staying-butler-ucla-overtures
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 29, 2013, 11:58:13 AM
Look, I love Buzz and want him forever, and I think we will get him here as long as we want him because:
1) His style of "gosh, we're honored to be here" and his Texan approach to life ain't going to fly in Los Angeles and at UCLA. Folks, Buzz is wonderful for Marquette and Milwaukee. But I doubt it would play in Los Angeles.
2) We're building toward something special. Two more years and I think Buzz is a lifer at MU. We have, as other posters have said, an incredible incoming class. We also have a world-class training center, a fan base that shows up 15,000 strong for our home games and a team that's molded to Buzz. We're building toward the day that UCLA wants NOW -- a regular appearance in the Elite 8 or Final Four. If you don't bring a national championship home every year -- and I don't care how good you are, 1967 to 1974 won't ever happen again -- you are refuse at UCLA.
3) Buzz is the whole banana at Marquette. In LA, he's competing with USC, the Dodgers, the Lakers and the Clippers. His only real competition in Wisconsin is the Packers and Badger football. He blew Bo Ryan's doors off about the time Vander switched from rodent to Warrior.
Stick around Buzz! You're loved here!
And don't forget the negative reaction Buzz would face the first time he talked about God or his faith. Also, no more priests in the locker room or on the bench. Those days would be over.
UCLA is a fine job, but it's a bad fit for Buzz.
$1M salary for Stevens and he can't be lured away. Gottfried only makes $750k, though the buyout is $3.75M. Something not too great about UCLA at the moment if they're struggling with these. First I've heard of Lorenzo Romar, seems like a good fit though the intra-conference move may not happen.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 29, 2013, 10:55:17 AM
I don't think its all that unusual in short-lead time tournament situations.
I few years back I was on the same Chicago-to-Newark commercial United flight as the 'zags, who were on their way to the Pre-season NIT finals. Not even Few got a first class seat, although Heytvelt managed an exit row. The issue was that until they won their preliminiary game, they didn't know if they'd even need the charter.
That being said, I know a lot of travelers who would argue that SWA is a significant upgrade over UAL--especially a UAL transfer through Chicago.
It's one thing for Gonzaga to be doing it from Spokane... the remote location makes a charter very expensive and your options are limited. It's a completely other thing to do it out of LA with tons of charters available.
Even for situations like the post-season, it seems crazy since tourney wins are so valuable $$$. It's not worth running into hassles and ruining your team's mojo or mindset. This is coming from a person who flies weekly for a living... traveling commercial doesn't make things easier and there are always unforeseen headaches. Would be great to avoid it.
This is why Buzz creates routines for the players (ie staying in hotels in Milwaukee the night before games.) It takes away unnecessary and unneeded headaches, so they players can focus on the game and feel comfortable.
Quote from: chapman on March 29, 2013, 12:22:13 PM
$1M salary for Stevens and he can't be lured away. Gottfried only makes $750k, though the buyout is $3.75M. Something not too great about UCLA at the moment if they're struggling with these. First I've heard of Lorenzo Romar, seems like a good fit though the intra-conference move may not happen.
This has been an ongoing issue at UCLA. Everytime that job opens up, they start out with a dream list of candidates (over the years, it's included Valvano, Pitino, Donovan, Calipari, and even Phil Jackson). Each of these coaches say no, and UCLA ends up settling for its third, fourth, or even fifth choice.
It's happening again.
Quote from: chapman on March 29, 2013, 12:22:13 PM
$1M salary for Stevens and he can't be lured away. Gottfried only makes $750k, though the buyout is $3.75M. Something not too great about UCLA at the moment if they're struggling with these. First I've heard of Lorenzo Romar, seems like a good fit though the intra-conference move may not happen.
Romar actually would be a really good choice for them. He's a SoCal guy, an excellent recruiter and would play a more aesthetically pleasing style than Howland.
Wouldn't make too much of the intra-conference thing. It's been done before (i.e. Tubby from Georgia to Kentucky).
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2013, 11:36:40 AM
Where are you getting those rankings?
Scout 2008 Final rankings:
Tyshawn Taylor - #83 (one spot ahead of Rotnei Clarke)
Nick Williams - unranked
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&pid=88&yr=2008
According to RSCI ....
Taylor - #73 overall
Williams - #88 overall
http://home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_100_Final_2008.htm
This year's class, per RSCI (as of Sept.):
Deonte Burton - #52
Jujuan Johnson - #57
Duane Wilson - #60
Per Scout:
Jujuan Wilson - #31
Deonte Burton - #54
Duane Wilson - #71
I think you're correct. I just looked at this page:
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=8&cfg=bb&toinid=365&yr=2008
And I sort of assumed that Nat'l Rank meant overall, not position. I think it's the position rank though.
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on March 29, 2013, 12:07:43 PM
As soon as our season ends, whenever it ends, offer Buzz a big new contract. We need to do all we can to keep him.
Didn't we just give him a big new contract last year?
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on March 29, 2013, 12:07:43 PMAs soon as our season ends, whenever it ends, offer Buzz a big new contract. We need to do all we can to keep him.
Either we're a program that supports the team with budget dollars, charters, great facilities and fan support or we're a low-rung team who's only recourse is buy someone off.
Buzz should be paid what he's worth (and we'd all argue that's a hefty sum), but continually needing to lavish money on him to get him to stay doesn't sound like a big time program to me. At some point we'll reach our limit. And, is that the kind of coach we want ... someone only in it for the money? There's no stability there.
Having a new AD and Pres rework your contract with a raise after a Big East Champ and elite 8 is a sign of respect and appreciation of what he has accomplished. They better do it.
The question about money is what is he worth to us? And what is he worth to other schools. I'm not sure if Buzz makes as much as is reported.
Quote from: spartan3186 on March 29, 2013, 12:27:34 PM
I think you're correct. I just looked at this page:
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=8&cfg=bb&toinid=365&yr=2008
And I sort of assumed that Nat'l Rank meant overall, not position. I think it's the position rank though.
Regardless of rankings, Nivs point about a sweet class coming in ALREADY, is huge. Crean had good recruits after the ff, but he couldn't load the cupboard enough to make another run. We were four deep under Crean after the ff. Buzz just keeps reloading, no two year NIT trips in between.
Quote from: Goose on March 29, 2013, 10:55:02 AM
I truthfully have no current knowledge of the Buzz situation, but he sure looks like a guy building a program and not running out the door. Maybe I am allowing excitement of the NCAA to cloud my judgement, but I cannot see any reason to leave now. He has put to much work and energy into getting MU to this level I would hate to see him go do it all over again somewhere else. He is almost at level that he can ease off the gas a bit and share work with the staff. I seriously hope Buzz is enjoying the ride because it has been a great one to watch.
Completely agree. MU has been a great BBall program for the past 10 yrs. Why wouldn't Buzz be able to turn MU into an ELITE like Duke and Coach K? With the success Buzz has had the past few yrs we are on track.
If Buzz keeps winning like he is currently, and keeps putting athletes in the NBA, then he will start being able to get the 5 star athletes or his choice of who he wants. He is already close to it with his recruiting now.
Quote from: patso on March 29, 2013, 09:06:25 AM
Vitale commented that Buzz is a new hot commodity in college basketball, implying that MU is not a top tier program. He remains a true ass.
Also implying that he hasn't been paying attention the past 3 years. Buzz is far from a "new" hot commodity.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 29, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Also implying that he hasn't been paying attention the past 3 years. Buzz is far from a "new" hot commodity.
While annoying, I certainly hope you're not taking Dukie V's comments too seriously. He's a joke. A sad relic who stopped doing his homework about 15 years ago. Now, it's the same tired schtick over and over and over again.
Katz on ESPN talking about how coaches like Buzz, Stevens, etc., have great facilities, flying situations, salaries, better people around them, better team situations, and that they shouldn't go anywhere.
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on March 29, 2013, 02:09:11 PM
Katz on ESPN talking about how coaches like Buzz, Stevens, etc., have great facilities, flying situations, salaries, better people around them, better team situations, and that they shouldn't go anywhere.
Here's the audio of him discussing the same on the radio. Starts around the 3:00 mark.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9112263
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on March 29, 2013, 02:09:11 PM
Katz on ESPN talking about how coaches like Buzz, Stevens, etc., have great facilities, flying situations, salaries, better people around them, better team situations, and that they shouldn't go anywhere.
Despite the fact that he talks out of both sides of his mouth, this might be one of the better things this badger has said.
Quote from: spartan3186 on March 29, 2013, 11:20:49 AM
This isn't really true, Crean had:
Nick Williams - Ranked #36 overall by Scout
Tyshawn Taylor - Ranked #20 overall by Scout
They were pretty highly touted.
He also brought in Carlton Christian and several other humps. His recruiting was full of holes. It was a hodge podge. IU covers up a lot of his blemishes in terms of recruiting. I used to hate on Buzz. I am eating my crow and liking it.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 29, 2013, 11:27:13 AM
Crean's last class doesn't touch the one Buzz has coming in next year.
Crean's last class followed him to IU or went to KU. Buckley and the other guy were in candy canes and red polos and flying to Mobile the day after Crean's April Fool Treachery.
Quote from: patso on March 29, 2013, 09:06:25 AM
Vitale commented that Buzz is a new hot commodity in college basketball, implying that MU is not a top tier program. He remains a true ass.
I guess we should be glad that Buzz wasn't hot last year. The pathetic thing is that Vitale thought he was being complementary.
Great thing about the run this year is that it makes it indefensible to push Buzz out even if LW had an inkling to do that. His job as AD of Marquette is primarily to win conference championships and go deep in the tourney.
The point Katz makes might point to the door closing on the era of coaching carousels a bit. The new model may be the one MU executed with Buzz (though not foreseen).... Develop your coaching talent and culture from within and promote from within.
If UCLA can't poach coaches making half as much at Butler and VCU then what chance do other programs have? With the exception of a coach unhappy at his current gig, you may not see too many takers. What does that mean for UCLA? Promote from within. Duke and UNC have that tradition to be able to hire a former assistant once Coaches Williams/K hang it up, and MU needs to go that way too... Similar to Michigan football.
If MU increases its reputation for getting not just players to the NBA but also assistants to HC jobs elsewhere, it becomes a much more attractive job for Buzz. This is an all-volunteer workforce at the level we compensate. These extra things matter to attract talent and a long term culture of excellence.
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 29, 2013, 04:47:29 PM
Great thing about the run this year is that it makes it indefensible to push Buzz out even if LW had an incline to do that. His job as AD of Marquette is primarily to win conferensc championships and go deep in the tourney.
The question was never if LW was going to push Buzz out...it was whether or not Buzz is going to leave at his own accord.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 29, 2013, 04:49:48 PM
The question was never if LW was going to push Buzz out...it was whether or not Buzz is going to leave at his own accord.
speak for yourself
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 29, 2013, 04:50:27 PM
speak for yourself
Well then you were worrying over nothing. LW was never going to push Buzz out.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 29, 2013, 12:25:03 PM
It's one thing for Gonzaga to be doing it from Spokane... the remote location makes a charter very expensive and your options are limited. It's a completely other thing to do it out of LA with tons of charters available.
This isn't actually correct
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 29, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
Well then you were worrying over nothing. LW was never going to push Buzz out.
cool thanks bro - your agreeing sounds a lot like disagreeing. It's an attractive trait.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 29, 2013, 12:25:03 PM
It's one thing for Gonzaga to be doing it from Spokane... the remote location makes a charter very expensive and your options are limited. It's a completely other thing to do it out of LA with tons of charters available.
Even for situations like the post-season, it seems crazy since tourney wins are so valuable $$$. It's not worth running into hassles and ruining your team's mojo or mindset. This is coming from a person who flies weekly for a living... traveling commercial doesn't make things easier and there are always unforeseen headaches. Would be great to avoid it.
This is why Buzz creates routines for the players (ie staying in hotels in Milwaukee the night before games.) It takes away unnecessary and unneeded headaches, so they players can focus on the game and feel comfortable.
I'm not passing judgement on the value of charters over commercial.
Just pointing out that its quite a leap from UCLA taking one commercial flight for a tournament game to an assumption that the job isn't attractive becuase they don't get charter flights.
It may well have been a unique set of circumstances--not a sign that UCLA doesnt' support their program.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 29, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
Well then you were worrying over nothing. LW was never going to push Buzz out.
not sure if you missed the year + of "Hiroshima" talk on here? There are a handful of posts you might want to reference in which a few scoopers felt that was going to be the case.
We're not hooked up with the psychic resources you are.
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 29, 2013, 05:13:18 PM
not sure if you missed the year + of "Hiroshima" talk on here? There are a handful of posts you might want to reference in which a few scoopers felt that was going to be the case.
We're not hooked up with the psychic resources you are.
No he didn't. LW wasn't ever going to push him out. The worry was that LW was making Buzz unhappy and he therefore might jump.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 29, 2013, 06:26:11 PM
No he didn't. LW wasn't ever going to push him out. The worry was that LW was making Buzz unhappy and he therefore might jump.
+1. Bingo.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 29, 2013, 10:37:20 AM
Have to be able to lock up our coaches for the long term to take that next step to elite.
We have the coach now the ball is in MU's hands.
Elite means not having to "lock up" a coach.
Quote from: spartan3186 on March 29, 2013, 11:20:49 AM
This isn't really true, Crean had:
Nick Williams - Ranked #36 overall by Scout
Tyshawn Taylor - Ranked #20 overall by Scout
They were pretty highly touted.
Wasn't mbwake there also?
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 29, 2013, 04:47:29 PM
Great thing about the run this year is that it makes it indefensible to push Buzz out even if LW had an inkling to do that. His job as AD of Marquette is primarily to win conference championships and go deep in the tourney.
The point Katz makes might point to the door closing on the era of coaching carousels a bit. The new model may be the one MU executed with Buzz (though not foreseen).... Develop your coaching talent and culture from within and promote from within.
If UCLA can't poach coaches making half as much at Butler and VCU then what chance do other programs have? With the exception of a coach unhappy at his current gig, you may not see too many takers. What does that mean for UCLA? Promote from within. Duke and UNC have that tradition to be able to hire a former assistant once Coaches Williams/K hang it up, and MU needs to go that way too... Similar to Michigan football.
If MU increases its reputation for getting not just players to the NBA but also assistants to HC jobs elsewhere, it becomes a much more attractive job for Buzz. This is an all-volunteer workforce at the level we compensate. These extra things matter to attract talent and a long term culture of excellence.
I seem to remember that Buzz had to go to LW to get approval to offer Chew a nice raise (above what Buzz was typically authorized to offer an assistant coaching candidate) when he was wooing him from Illinois.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 29, 2013, 06:26:11 PM
No he didn't. LW wasn't ever going to push him out. The worry was that LW was making Buzz unhappy and he therefore might jump.
Also
- No/Fewer Juco transfers
- Increased grade restrictions
- Reduced basketball budget (a la SLU)
What else would need to happen to be considered "pushing someone out"?
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 29, 2013, 08:12:53 PM
I seem to remember that Buzz had to go to LW to get approval to offer Chew a nice raise (above what Buzz was typically authorized to offer an assistant coaching candidate) when he was wooing him from Illinois.
True - I guess my point is long-term guys like Chew are able to command high salaries many places, but they will choose their employer on other benefits (such as career progression or practice facilities, etc)
Borrowed the term from my employer, the idea being that top executives can command plenty of money anywhere, so the reason they work at GE (or not) is whether the job "turns them on" in other ways.
So in MU's case we need the money to pay these kinds of guys. My idea was that we could differentiate ourselves over time as being "the place" to be an assistant beyond just the pay.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 29, 2013, 06:26:11 PM
No he didn't. LW wasn't ever going to push him out. The worry was that LW was making Buzz unhappy and he therefore might jump.
What's the distinction between these two things?
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 29, 2013, 08:13:19 PM
Also
- No/Fewer Juco transfers Jameel McKay
- Increased grade restrictions a miniscule increase, 1 kid being ineligible, even under the old standards,
but he's been eligible the second half of the season
- Reduced basketball budget (a la SLU) LAUGHABLE and IDIOTIC
What else would need to happen to be considered "pushing someone out"? None of the above crap happened.
Fixed.
Quote from: lab_warrior on March 30, 2013, 08:14:46 AM
Fixed.
+1
I am so amazed by the morons on this board that think if you keep posting unsupported rumors often enough, they become fact.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 30, 2013, 08:21:19 AM
+1
I am so amazed by the morons on this board that think if you keep posting unsupported rumors often enough, they become fact.
I don't think that is a "this board" sort of problem.
Quote from: lab_warrior on March 30, 2013, 08:14:46 AM
Fixed.
christ - I didn't say any of this happened.... This is the Hiroshima theory. I agree it's false. This is a response to the assertion that nobody thought LW was pushing Buzz out.
1) Some people on this board believed the "Hiroshima" thing was happening (as detailed above)
2) The supposed actions associated with "Hiroshima" would be the actions you would take to push out a coach
3) Therefore the assertion that "Nobody thought LW was pushing Buzz out"is incorrect
Everyone can now relax. Steve Alford took the UCLA gig.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 30, 2013, 12:46:34 PM
Everyone can now relax. Steve Alford took the UCLA gig.
... but I heard that Buzz was going to the Buffalo Sabres.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 30, 2013, 12:46:34 PM
Everyone can now relax. Steve Alford took the UCLA gig.
Days after signing a new 10 year deal with the Lobos. Contracts mean a lot in college basketball!
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 29, 2013, 08:12:53 PM
I seem to remember that Buzz had to go to LW to get approval to offer Chew a nice raise (above what Buzz was typically authorized to offer an assistant coaching candidate) when he was wooing him from Illinois.
Yep, no budget reductions happening here. Assistant turnover resulted in the hiring of two former head coaches and paying a fast-rising assistant enough that a Big Ten program can't compete. There are a LOT of programs, even very solid ones, that will pay their head coach well and the buck stops there - and it really frustrates the coach.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 30, 2013, 12:46:34 PM
Everyone can now relax. Steve Alford took the UCLA gig.
BUZZ TO NEW MEXICO!
Quote from: WarriorHal on March 30, 2013, 01:11:51 PM
Days after signing a new 10 year deal with the Lobos. Contracts mean a lot in college basketball!
Never signed; just announced it.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 30, 2013, 12:46:34 PM
Everyone can now relax. Steve Alford took the UCLA gig.
Hope its not an early April fools joke.
Well just because UCLA has already hired their new coach HOPEFULLY does NOT mean we can't continue this and all other threads that start with "BUZZ WILLIAMS TO......"
As these threads are infinitely more entertaining than actually discussing that MU is still IN the 2013 NCAA Tourney
Buzz to New Mexico?
Apparently Flip Saunders turned down the Minn job today, not sure who is next on their list but it doesn't look like they are waiting on Buzz. And USC is after Ennfield, FWIW...
Buzz won't leave for another college, but maybe for the NBA.
Can't see Buzz in the NBA. He's too intense. Would never survive 82 games.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 30, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
Buzz won't leave for another college, but maybe for the NBA.
Not going to happen he does this to improve the kids lives. Can't do that in the NBA.