Not sure why this didn't come through the MJS feed, but Hunt has been putting out quite a few blogs today. One of them touched on the coaching carousel (bolding is mine):
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/200300541.html
As one of the highly regarded young coaches in the country, Buzz Williams' name is naturally going to arise with any major job opening.
But from what I know, he would not consider Minnesota. That would not even be a lateral move.
UCLA is one of the big-time jobs - up there with Kansas, Indiana and Kentucky - but I don't see that, either.
I see him staying at Marquette. He's top 10 in salary nationally. Marquette spends more on basketball than any school in the country other than Duke. He's got a top recruiting class coming in. He's what you'd call a good fit.
Anyway, he was asked Wednesday about the coaching carousel.
"I'm compassionionate toward guys who lose their jobs," Williams said. "What's changed in our business is the money. So guys get paid a lot of money and expectatons are somewhat out of whack, There's a lot of anxiousness involved. I think too much of it centers around money, but I'm on the positive end of that as of today.
"Guys normally get jobs in April and it's extremely hard to have a good recruiting class in November. So guys that are fired early, that's two recrulting classes washed out. You would hope to build equity with your institution, with your administration, with your alumni.
"Sometimes that happens, sometimes that doesn't."
Can someone interpret? My Buzz-to-English book does not have pages for this.
I personally think this part - Guys normally get jobs in April and it's extremely hard to have a good recruiting class in November. - is extremely telling with the class we have coming in next year.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 27, 2013, 04:05:38 PM
Can someone interpret? My Buzz-to-English book does not have pages for this.
I was just thinking the same. He's like the guy in your meetings who talks a lot, but when he's done you have no idea what he really said, and leaves you wondering which one of you is the idiot (I typically conclude its the other guy).
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 27, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
I was just thinking the same. He's like the guy in your meetings who talks a lot, but when he's done you have no idea what he really said, and leaves you wondering which one of you is the idiot (I typically conclude its the other guy).
+1000
Truer words have never been spoken. Post of the year for me about Buzz.
Translation= don't f*ck with me and I'm happy.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
Translation= don't f*ck with me and I'm happy.
I hate this all. This whole effing continued saga of "will he won't he". But...I'm a sucker. And...
+1,000,000 for that 4everwarriors. That's about as close - to me - Buzz saying "stop bothering me, I'm well paid, I have a great program" without him literally saying it.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
Translation= don't f*ck with me and I'm happy.
That's how I'm seeing this. This is as close to a "go bother someone else. I'm not going anywhere" as you'll see from Buzz, IMO.
EDIT: I see Niv beat me to this by 40 seconds. I suck.
Mike Hunt yesterday: Buzz would take the UCLA job if offered
Mike Hunt today: re: UCLA, "I don't see that either"
What a nimrod
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on March 27, 2013, 04:21:56 PM
Mike Hunt yesterday: Buzz would take the UCLA job if offered
Mike Hunt today: re: UCLA, "I don't see that either"
What a nimrod
No joke. The guy just epitomizes laziness.
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on March 27, 2013, 04:21:56 PM
Mike Hunt yesterday: Buzz would take the UCLA job if offered
Mike Hunt today: re: UCLA, "I don't see that either"
What a nimrod
Maybe something has happened in the last 24 hours to change his opinion.
You know what I mean?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
Translation= don't f*ck with me and I'm happy.
Well put. That's how I read it.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 27, 2013, 04:05:38 PM
Can someone interpret? My Buzz-to-English book does not have pages for this.
I'll do my best
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I empathize with other coaches that lose their jobs. People get paid a lot more these days as coaches, and then the expectations are raised too high. That creates concern with living up to those expectations, mostly about justifying the big contract. However, I'm already doing well in terms of overall money.
If you switch to a new job in April, you have a difficult time getting a good recruiting class by November. If a coach is fired even earlier than that, you can lose on two recruiting classes. You hope that the new institution is patient and you can build the relationships, especially with a big contract.
It's hard to say exactly how patient a new school would be.
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on March 27, 2013, 04:21:56 PM
Mike Hunt yesterday: Buzz would take the UCLA job if offered
Mike Hunt today: re: UCLA, "I don't see that either"
What a nimrod
That's one way to be right.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2013, 04:25:35 PM
Maybe something has happened in the last 24 hours to change his opinion.
You know what I mean?
If that's the case, I would expect the journalist to point out to his readers why his opinion would have changed.
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on March 27, 2013, 04:30:06 PM
If that's the case, I would expect the journalist to point out to his readers why his opinion would have changed.
Not everything said between reporter and source is on the record. In fact, depending on the individual reporter-source relationship, more often is said off the record than on it.
Quote from: Warrior's Path on March 27, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
I'll do my best
====
I empathize with other coaches that lose their jobs. People get paid a lot more these days as coaches, and then the expectations are raised too high. That creates concern with living up to those expectations, mostly about justifying the big contract. However, I'm already doing well in terms of overall money.
If you switch to a new job in April, you have a difficult time getting a good recruiting class by November. If a coach is fired even earlier than that, you can lose on two recruiting classes. You hope that the new institution is patient and you can build the relationships, especially with a big contract.
It's hard to say exactly how patient a new school would be.
That's pretty good, and really accurate imo.
The hardest thing to get in this business is momentum and the hardest thing to keep in this business is momentum -- maybe a reference to recruiting based on the color above?
I'll say it again...I think Buzz would be an awful fit at UCLA. The pressure in Westwood is absolutely unreal. UCLA has never demonstrated a willingness to spend big bucks (for example, the team flying Southwest). And it's a culture that would not react positively when Buzz begins talking about God and faith. Plus, LA just feels so empty and soulless...not Buzz's kind of place.
Can't see it happening.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2013, 04:38:00 PM
And it's a culture that would not react positively when Buzz begins talking about God and faith.
Yeah, I wonder what the reaction would be that every practice opens and closes with a prayer. At MU, it is part of the institution, at UCLA, not so much.
"I am doing well here. To leave and go somewhere else would take at least two years of building contacts before I could do anything worthwhile. Not worth the time. They are firing coaches who have success and I feel bad for them. Why the F would I want to put myself in an impossible situation just for a few shekels?"
The comments kind of rub me the wrong way. If Buzz wanted job security (or any coaches for this matter), just sign a 10 year, $1 mil per year deal with no buyout. Boom. Job Security.
The reason why these jobs are so cut-throat is they expect to be paid a ton and try to drive up the market by entertaining other offers. Buzz wouldn't have Sweet 16 expectations placed on him if he wasn't one of the highest paid coaches in the nation that hasn't won anything.
Buzz is too busy building equity at MU to be bothered with other opportunities big or small. I love his idea of building equity. I think it really shows how fortunate he feels to have this chance to succeed.
Quote from: Warrior's Path on March 27, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
I'll do my best
====
I empathize with other coaches that lose their jobs. People get paid a lot more these days as coaches, and then the expectations are raised too high. That creates concern with living up to those expectations, mostly about justifying the big contract. However, I'm already doing well in terms of overall money.
If you switch to a new job in April, you have a difficult time getting a good recruiting class by November. If a coach is fired even earlier than that, you can lose on two recruiting classes. You hope that the new institution is patient and you can build the relationships, especially with a big contract.
It's hard to say exactly how patient a new school would be.
Very nice post. Appreciate you taking the time and I'm glad your interpretation mirrors mine. :)
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 27, 2013, 04:49:24 PM
The comments kind of rub me the wrong way. If Buzz wanted job security (or any coaches for this matter), just sign a 10 year, $1 mil per year deal with no buyout. Boom. Job Security.
The reason why these jobs are so cut-throat is they expect to be paid a ton and try to drive up the market by entertaining other offers. Buzz wouldn't have Sweet 16 expectations placed on him if he wasn't one of the highest paid coaches in the nation that hasn't won anything.
I think when addressing expectations, Buzz was speaking less of himself than of Howland and Tubby.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2013, 04:57:01 PM
I think when addressing expectations, Buzz was speaking less of himself than of Howland and Tubby.
Solid point. Probably hard to get the full point across when I'm just reading a paragraph without audio/video.
Someone in here mentioned that off the record conversations between a source and a journalist have a lot more information in them than on the record conversations.
Part of deciphering the hidden meaning behind some of these types of articles is finding where the author inserts the off the record information into conjecture.
Read between the lines where Hunt specifically mentions the two open jobs that for some inexplicable reason have a lot of people here in a tizzy.
Where do you think the information that he based this opinion on came from?
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 27, 2013, 05:05:16 PM
Someone in here mentioned that off the record conversations between a source and a journalist have a lot more information in them than on the record conversations.
Part of deciphering the hidden meaning behind some of these types of articles is finding where the author inserts the off the record information into conjecture.
Read between the lines where Hunt specifically mentions the two open jobs that for some inexplicable reason have a lot of people here in a tizzy.
Where do you think the information that he based this opinion on came from?
Exactly.
Something happened to change Hunt's mind about whether Buzz would take the UCLA job. It would be speculation for me to say exactly what, but it's probably not mere coincidence that this change of heart occurred after Hunt spent some time around the team in the last 24 hours.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2013, 05:13:05 PM
Exactly.
Something happened to change Hunt's mind about whether Buzz would take the UCLA job. It would be speculation for me to say exactly what, but it's probably not mere coincidence that this change of heart occurred after Hunt spent some time around the team in the last 24 hours.
Yup. The first few sentences in that article are as close to a direct quote from someone "extremely close to the situation" as you can get.
I will leave it up to everyone to decide who that source probably is. I'll add that it's probably also not a coincidence that only one person is quoted in that article.
This is probably as close as we're going to get to Buzz saying he's not interested in other jobs.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 27, 2013, 04:05:38 PM
Can someone interpret? My Buzz-to-English book does not have pages for this.
"I don't want to change jobs."
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on March 27, 2013, 04:21:56 PM
Mike Hunt yesterday: Buzz would take the UCLA job if offered
Mike Hunt today: re: UCLA, "I don't see that either"
What a nimrod
Exactly!!!! Unbelievable.
Quote from: Warrior's Path on March 27, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
If you switch to a new job in April, you have a difficult time getting a good recruiting class by November. If a coach is fired even earlier than that, you can lose on two recruiting classes. You hope that the new institution is patient and you can build the relationships, especially with a big contract.
I don't buy this.
Buzz himself is a guy who was hired at MU in April and by November he was well on his way to a class that included three top 100 and 2 JUCO first team AAs. And as I recall in his one year at UNO, he landed THEIR best class in years. So when he claims it is
difficult to get a good recruiting class, its not coming from his own experience.
Then you have to think he knows his MU history. Crean is hired in April, by November he's brining in a class of Scott Merritt, Dwyane Wade, Odartey Blankson and Terry Sanders. Kevin O'Neill is hired in April, by November that year O'Neill is on his way to a class that included transfers Ron Curry from Arizona, Keith Stewart from Purdue and top 100 players Jim McIlvaine, Damon Key and Robb Logtermann.
And didn't Al McGurie land a pretty good class his first year at MU?
The big question, then is WHY Buzz would feel the need to lower expectations like this. If he has no plans to leave, why talk about how difficult it is to recruit in the first year on the job?
Best case: Habit. Just more of the "
Aw, shucks, we're just not a very good team. . ." persona.
Worst case: He actually IS attempting to lower expectations because he knows something the rest of us don't. . . maybe just buying time for one of his assistants who's going to get a new job. Or maybe worse.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 28, 2013, 10:16:11 AM
I don't buy this.
Buzz himself is a guy who was hired at MU in April and by November he was well on his way to a class that included three top 100 and 2 JUCO first team AAs. And as I recall in his one year at UNO, he landed THEIR best class in years. So when he claims it is difficult to get a good recruiting class, its not coming from his own experience.
Buzz had already been recruiting for MU for nearly a year when he got the HC gig. It's not like he was coaching in Georgia and then parachuted in starting from scratch. His title changed but the program and kids didn't.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 28, 2013, 10:16:11 AM
Worst case: He actually IS attempting to lower expectations because he knows something the rest of us don't. . . maybe just buying time for one of his assistants who's going to get a new job. Or maybe worse.
I'm not following - How would lowering expectations for a first year coach benefit him?
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 28, 2013, 12:40:21 PM
I'm not following - How would lowering expectations for a first year coach benefit him?
It would only benefit him if he's planning on starting a new job.
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on March 28, 2013, 12:46:29 PM
It would only benefit him if he's planning on starting a new job.
I dunno I feel like that's sort of a stretch... what he says while at MU to MU reporters probably won't translate to his next job if he moves?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 27, 2013, 04:49:24 PM
The comments kind of rub me the wrong way. If Buzz wanted job security (or any coaches for this matter), just sign a 10 year, $1 mil per year deal with no buyout. Boom. Job Security.
The reason why these jobs are so cut-throat is they expect to be paid a ton and try to drive up the market by entertaining other offers. Buzz wouldn't have Sweet 16 expectations placed on him if he wasn't one of the highest paid coaches in the nation that hasn't won anything.
This is crazy talk. I wouldn't suddenly care less about our team being successful because I heard that Buzz took a pay cut.
Anyone just hear Dickie V on sportscenter?
Quote from: chren21 on March 28, 2013, 11:16:56 PM
Anyone just hear Dickie V on sportscenter?
nope - can u post?
Quote from: chren21 on March 28, 2013, 11:16:56 PM
Anyone just hear Dickie V on sportscenter?
No. What'd the idiot say?
MU is going to have a hard hard time keeping buzz Williams. He is now a HOT commodity. And so on
Quote from: chren21 on March 28, 2013, 11:16:56 PM
Anyone just hear Dickie V on sportscenter?
Was his incontinence audible?
Quote from: chren21 on March 28, 2013, 11:19:25 PM
MU is going to have a hard hard time keeping buzz Williams. He is now a HOT commodity. And so on
More proof he's a moron.
Duke has an open assistants spot for next year....
Quote from: marquette09 on March 28, 2013, 11:21:05 PM
Duke has an open assistants spot for next year....
Vitale should sign up.
More baseless garbage from Dukie V. What a shock.
Quote from: chren21 on March 28, 2013, 11:19:25 PM
MU is going to have a hard hard time keeping buzz Williams. He is now a HOT commodity. And so on
Like he wasn't before?
I have video, I rewinded it and rec with my I phone. How do I post?
Stone cold on coaching changes:
"Don't f.ck it up Larry"
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 28, 2013, 11:22:33 PM
More baseless garbage from Dukie V. What a shock.
He should be sent to pasture, but he's clearly not the worst idiot over there, as unbelievable as that sounds.
Really worried about Buzz leaving behind a preseason top ten team next season...
Dicky V had great things to say about MU, but he has to add in that it's going to be tough for mu to hold on to him.
I can't figure out how to post it
Let's be real... the landscape of college basketball favors us. That's why Stevens, Smart, etc. stay put. Do you want the UKentucky carousel where you have the 1 and dones, or a chance to build up a program and a legacy? Do you want to babysit an NBA prospect for 1 year, or coach up future NBA players for 4 years? From a coaching perspective, which is more attractive?
Minnesota - sub-lateral move
UCLA - not a lateral move, but see above
USC - lateral move, basketball always second fiddle
Quote from: Aaronj2005 on March 28, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Let's be real... the landscape of college basketball favors us. That's why Stevens, Smart, etc. stay put. Do you want the UKentucky carousel where you have the 1 and dones, or a chance to build up a program and a legacy? Do you want to babysit an NBA prospect for 1 year, or coach up future NBA players for 4 years? From a coaching perspective, which is more attractive?
Minnesota - sub-lateral move
UCLA - not a lateral move, but see above
USC - lateral move, basketball always second fiddle
I hope Stevens stays put for new BE's sake. But ESPNLA is reporting that he already met with UCLA to discuss the job
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9109731/butler-brad-stevens-top-target-ucla-search-new-coach
If buzz isn't careful the one and dones will be lining up to come play for him...
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 28, 2013, 11:51:43 PM
I hope Stevens stays put for new BE's sake. But ESPNLA is reporting that he already met with UCLA to discuss the job
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9109731/butler-brad-stevens-top-target-ucla-search-new-coach
That's not quite what it says, but thanks for the information. I also hope Stevens stays put... otherwise the addition of Butler doesn't look quite as strong. But, if my point is valid at all, he might.
Quote from: Aaronj2005 on March 28, 2013, 11:57:57 PM
That's not quite what it says, but thanks for the information. I also hope Stevens stays put... otherwise the addition of Butler doesn't look quite as strong. But, if my point is valid at all, he might.
My bad. Just read the article, I only watched the video the first time. Guy on the video says they've talked. Yet another source in the article dismisses contract negotiations. In any case, I hope Mike Brown or somebody else takes the job.
Pay the man, Larry.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 27, 2013, 04:23:56 PM
No joke. The guy just epitomizes laziness.
His names Mike Hunt, he is a joker! #BringbackRosiak
Quote from: Aaronj2005 on March 28, 2013, 11:57:57 PM
That's not quite what it says, but thanks for the information. I also hope Stevens stays put... otherwise the addition of Butler doesn't look quite as strong. But, if my point is valid at all, he might.
Is it too late to kick out Butler and add VCU?
Speaking of Mike Hunt, did anyone else see his interview pre-game? His official JS photo must have been taken in 1977!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzN4HIDctPI&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: Aaronj2005 on March 28, 2013, 11:57:57 PM
That's not quite what it says, but thanks for the information. I also hope Stevens stays put... otherwise the addition of Butler doesn't look quite as strong. But, if my point is valid at all, he might.
Fox Sports reported Stevens met in Westwood with UCLA and tomorrow will meet with Dan Guerrero in Indianapolis. We'll see...sort of like the fog of war where many of these stories are crap. If UCLA does get him, a lot here laughing about UCLA and their hiring process will have some major crow to eat.
the last coach they got from the state of Indiana was pretty good too, Stevens would be an outstanding hire for Bruins
Rumors are calapari went to ucla Monday.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 29, 2013, 12:33:38 AM
Fox Sports reported Stevens met in Westwood with UCLA and tomorrow will meet with Dan Guerrero in Indianapolis. We'll see...sort of like the fog of war where many of these stories are crap. If UCLA does get him, a lot here laughing about UCLA and their hiring process will have some major crow to eat.
You're short.
http://www.bruinsnation.com/ucla_basketball_coaching_search/2013/3/28/4159760/fox-sports-brad-stevens-is-in-westwood-working-on-a-deal-with-ucla
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 29, 2013, 12:33:38 AM
Fox Sports reported Stevens met in Westwood with UCLA and tomorrow will meet with Dan Guerrero in Indianapolis. We'll see...sort of like the fog of war where many of these stories are crap. If UCLA does get him, a lot here laughing about UCLA and their hiring process will have some major crow to eat.
On Mike & Mike this am, Jay Bilas just said his contacts are telling him that Stevens has refused to even talk to UCLA.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 29, 2013, 12:33:38 AM
Fox Sports reported Stevens met in Westwood with UCLA and tomorrow will meet with Dan Guerrero in Indianapolis. We'll see...sort of like the fog of war where many of these stories are crap. If UCLA does get him, a lot here laughing about UCLA and their hiring process will have some major crow to eat.
Kind of like those laughing and complaining about MU's hiring process last time around?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 29, 2013, 12:33:38 AM
Fox Sports reported Stevens met in Westwood with UCLA and tomorrow will meet with Dan Guerrero in Indianapolis. We'll see...sort of like the fog of war where many of these stories are crap. If UCLA does get him, a lot here laughing about UCLA and their hiring process will have some major crow to eat.
Why? Nobody would be able to judge the hire until 2019.
Brad Stevens tweeted about walking through Hinkle this morning and starting workouts next week.
He isn't going anywhere.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2013, 08:31:07 AM
Why? Nobody would be able to judge the hire until 2019.
(http://www.nextmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/boom-300.jpg)
I look forward to next week when we can
finally begin to judge the respective jobs done by Buzz and Coach Crean.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2013, 08:31:07 AM
Why? Nobody would be able to judge the hire until 2019.
The crow would be those that said UCLA couldn't get Stevens or a high profile coach.....as said, who knows if any of this is true.
Touche on the 5 years, I believe I poked fun at myself yesterday with the same comment. :D
5th Annual FFC Day is approachin'.