Josh Pasner just signed a contract extension with Memphis. Good coach, but excellent recruiter. He was rumored to be headed to UCLA or USC. I think Buzz needs to sign an extension. That will kill all rumors of him heading elsewhere. Until then, Buzz Williams to Minnesota, UCLA or heck even Wisconsin is what I'm gonna believe!!
Awful. Just terrible.
Maybe, but these extensions are meaningless.
For example, Tubby just got an extension last year.
If a coach wants to leave, even if it's just a week after signing an extension, a long contract will not stop him from leaving. And the school won't stop him from leaving, either, because schools don't want somebody who doesn't want to be there.
It's all for show.
Buzz has an automatic rollover contract. So that's not an issue. More about other things.
He's do e this already. He's paid hansomy. MU is still in the tourney so, when u expect this I have no idea.
And lastly...It still won't kill the rumors!!! I will stop them for this off season only. After that business as usual.
Isn't he signed for 5 more years? how long do you need to extend him?
Buzz has gotten a raise every year.
Also he already has a longer contract than everyone right now, a permanent rolling 6 years contract. Every year it renews for another six years. It never ends.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 26, 2013, 09:29:58 PM
Buzz has gotten a raise every year.
Also he already has a longer contract than everyone right now, a permanent rolling 6 years contract. Every year it renews for another six years. It never ends.
OK then, extend it so it never, ever, ever
ever ends! See the difference?!?!?!?
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2013, 09:35:40 PM
OK then, extend it so it never, ever, ever ever ends! See the difference?!?!?!?
Let's just extend him...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejwrxGs_Y_I
And here I was hoping for a thread on hair extensions for Buzz. ?-(
Buzz probably has ~2 schools in his mind that he would seriously consider leaving for as long as things at MU are going well (as they are now). I imagine the only person who knows that list is his wife. And if it happens to be Texas I couldn't hold a grudge against him for leaving because it would be what his wanted and a good move for his family. I am sure that if Buzz ever left it would be in dramatically different fashion than Crean.
Until that moment comes, if it ever does, I'm not going to worry about it at all. Let's get to the Elite 8.
Quote from: Stronghold on March 26, 2013, 09:51:34 PM
Buzz probably has ~2 schools in his mind that he would seriously consider leaving for as long as things at MU are going well (as they are now). I imagine the only person who knows that list is his wife. And if it happens to be Texas I couldn't hold a grudge against him for leaving because it would be what his wanted and a good move for his family. I am sure that if Buzz ever left it would be in dramatically different fashion than Crean.
Until that moment comes, if it ever does, I'm not going to worry about it at all. Let's get to the Elite 8.
This is the sanest post on this topic I've read in many a post.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on March 26, 2013, 10:18:37 PM
This is the sanest post on this topic I've read in many a post.
Some posters love going around and around in circles. Same with the 20-year old nickname "debate." It's masochism.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on March 26, 2013, 09:25:09 PM
Josh Pasner just signed a contract extension with Memphis. Good coach, but excellent recruiter. He was rumored to be headed to UCLA or USC. I think Buzz needs to sign an extension. That will kill all rumors of him heading elsewhere. Until then, Buzz Williams to Minnesota, UCLA or heck even Wisconsin is what I'm gonna believe!!
You may not be a troll, but this is textbook trolling.
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2013, 09:27:54 PM
Maybe, but these extensions are meaningless.
For example, Tubby just got an extension last year.
If a coach wants to leave, even if it's just a week after signing an extension, a long contract will not stop him from leaving. And the school won't stop him from leaving, either, because schools don't want somebody who doesn't want to be there.
It's all for show.
Crean signed a 10 year contract and left after 2.
Quote from: mu-rara on March 27, 2013, 08:21:53 AM
Crean signed a 10 year contract and left after 2.
If Buzz signed an extension and then left after two years for a school like Indiana, then I have no problems.
If he signs one and then we go through this again next like with the likes of Minnesota, then I won't be happy with our coach.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 27, 2013, 08:25:41 AM
If Buzz signed an extension and then left after two years for a school like Indiana, then I have no problems.
If he signs one and then we go through this again next like with the likes of Minnesota, then I won't be happy with our coach.
I probably haven't followed these rumors as closely as some, but what has Buzz done that is making us "go through this ... with the likes of Minnesota"? Is Buzz doing something to stoke the rumors?
Buzz might sign a 100-year extension and say 50 times a day that he is staying at Marquette for life, but that wouldn't necessarily stop rumors, would it?
Quote from: Stronghold on March 26, 2013, 09:51:34 PM
Until that moment comes, if it ever does, I'm not going to worry about it at all.
I won't even worry about it then. Hyman Roth said it best..."This is the business we've chosen."
If you choose to be a fan of a sport or a team, player and coach movement is part of it, and there isn't a damn thing you're going to do about it. Enjoy it for what it is, and worry about things you can control.
No that is a fair point MU82. He isn't doing anything to stoke the rumors, but if he signs a big extension, I think he should be very strong in his verbal support of the University. You don't hear rumors about a lot of coaches because of that. I mean, how come JT3 is never mentioned?
I do not think Buzz is going anywhere, but I have to protect myself. I will wait to just before April 30th to make my Blue & Gold fund donation for reseating.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 27, 2013, 08:36:50 AM
No that is a fair point MU82. He isn't doing anything to stoke the rumors, but if he signs a big extension, I think he should be very strong in his verbal support of the University. You don't hear rumors about a lot of coaches because of that. I mean, how come JT3 is never mentioned?
I hear ya, and that certainly is the case with many coaches. But ...
Donovan gets mentioned every single year at this time -- as if Florida is some pit-stop job -- even though he is basically signed for life. Shaka and Stevens are mentioned nonstop and they signed long extensions. Izzo seems to get mentioned seriously for an NBA job every year or two and he likely will be at Michigan State forever. Etc, etc, etc.
So what you are saying is that good coaches are usually mentioned when there are high profile openings. Weird. Buzz has a rolling extension already. He is compensated extremely well already. I don't see him leaving for either of the current big jobs. But stranger things have happened.
The issue with Buzz certainly isn't compensation...although we all want more money. Right now, MU really supports its program well. Travel via charter is a non-issue. We outbid Illinois for an assistant coach. The issue with Buzz is his supposed relationship with MU's administration. Signing an extension, even if it is for a slight increase, shows everyone that that relationship is solid...may not be best friends, but solid enough for a strong working relationship.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 27, 2013, 08:50:39 AM
The issue with Buzz certainly isn't compensation...although we all want more money. Right now, MU really supports its program well. Travel via charter is a non-issue. We outbid Illinois for an assistant coach. The issue with Buzz is his supposed relationship with MU's administration. Signing an extension, even if it is for a slight increase, shows everyone that that relationship is solid...may not be best friends, but solid enough for a strong working relationship.
I think outbidding for top assistants and knowing MU will pay to attract those top assistants reinforced to Buzz how much he is wanted here. He wanted an assistant and MU made it happen with no care for the cost.
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2013, 08:39:53 AM
I hear ya, and that certainly is the case with many coaches. But ...
Donovan gets mentioned every single year at this time -- as if Florida is some pit-stop job -- even though he is basically signed for life. Shaka and Stevens are mentioned nonstop and they signed long extensions. Izzo seems to get mentioned seriously for an NBA job every year or two and he likely will be at Michigan State forever. Etc, etc, etc.
Agreed. Same with Wright. And I don't remember hearing them reinforce their loyalty every time. It's just more annoying that whenever Buzz gets mentioned it seems everyone picks up and runs with it much more aggressively than the others.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 27, 2013, 08:50:39 AM
The issue with Buzz certainly isn't compensation...although we all want more money. Right now, MU really supports its program well. Travel via charter is a non-issue. We outbid Illinois for an assistant coach. The issue with Buzz is his supposed relationship with MU's administration. Signing an extension, even if it is for a slight increase, shows everyone that that relationship is solid...may not be best friends, but solid enough for a strong working relationship.
Correct ... I would add:
If Buzz perceives he is bumping up against a ceiling at MU. Right now, being a regular in the sweet 16 and the recruiting class coming next year, he probably does not see himself hitting a ceiling.
This is why a win tomorrow could go a long way to KEEPING Buzz. It means the ceiling at MU is even higher than we thought. So, while the "always wrong" sports media will think that a win tomorrow makes Buzz an even hotter property and more likely to leave, I think it does the opposite.
Anyone that calls Buzz after a win tomorrow will recognize he is an E8 coach this year, and should visit the E8 again in the next few years. He has a top 10 recruiting class coming and on tons of blue chips kids (which should give him a closer look with a E8 appearance). He already has a top 10 paycheck. So what are you going to give him that he does not have now? Or, only bout 5 or so programs would have a realistic chacne of getting him and none of them are looking for a coach right now.
Can he sustain MU as a top 10-15 program "every year?" Sure seems like it. Is he going to do any better anywhere else? Not sure how?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 27, 2013, 09:04:24 AM
Can he sustain MU as a top 10-15 program "every year?" Sure seems like it. Is he going to do any better anywhere else? Not sure how?
Certainly not at Minnesota.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 27, 2013, 08:58:10 AM
I think outbidding for top assistants and knowing MU will pay to attract those top assistants reinforced to Buzz how much he is wanted here. He wanted an assistant and MU made it happen with no care for the cost.
That's all well and good but it simply comes down to the Athletic Director relationship.
Frank Martin was kicked out of high school basketball in Florida. Hired dirty by Bob Huggins at K-State. Handed the program when Huggy went home to West Virginia and even after all that basketball redemption shown by the 'Cats left his great gig in Manhattan because he and the AD hated each other.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 27, 2013, 09:09:35 AM
That's all well and good but it simply comes down to the Athletic Director relationship.
Frank Martin was kicked out of high school basketball in Florida. Hired dirty by Bob Huggins at K-State. Handed the program when Huggy went home to West Virginia and even after all that basketball redemption shown by the 'Cats left his great gig in Manhattan because he and the AD hated each other.
A lot of people got sick of Frank. There was more to it than that.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 27, 2013, 09:07:42 AM
Certainly not at Minnesota.
They only way Buzz takes a job like this or USC is because he is unhappy in Milwaukee/MU and just wants out. Nothing I see suggests this.
Yes he had issue with LW. But he will have issues with someone at any new place. Buzz and LW do not have to like each other. Instead they need a working relationship. From what I have seem (which is public stuff, no inside knowledge), they seem to have that.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 27, 2013, 09:20:30 AM
They only way Buzz takes a job like this or USC is because he is unhappy in Milwaukee/MU and just wants out. Nothing I see suggests this.
Yes he had issue with LW. But he will have issues with someone at any new place. Buzz and LW do not have to like each other. Instead they need a working relationship. From what I have seem (which is public stuff, no inside knowledge), they seem to have that.
The same people who told me there were problems, have told me things are better.
Lens
I have not heard anything in a couple of months. Glad to hear you nhave heard positive things.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 27, 2013, 08:50:39 AM
The issue with Buzz certainly isn't compensation...although we all want more money. Right now, MU really supports its program well. Travel via charter is a non-issue. We outbid Illinois for an assistant coach. The issue with Buzz is his supposed relationship with MU's administration. Signing an extension, even if it is for a slight increase, shows everyone that that relationship is solid...may not be best friends, but solid enough for a strong working relationship.
Agree. Widely reported (Parrish, Goodman, etc.) that Buzz and LW (and by extension Scott Pilarz) aren't the best of friends. If we lose Buzz (IMO) it won't be to a "destination", be it Texas, UCLA or anywhere else. It will be a relationship thing, leaving one that isn't working for one he thinks will. An extension at MU would at least indicate that relationships here have improved.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2013, 09:38:28 AM
Agree. Widely reported (Parrish, Goodman, etc.) that Buzz and LW (and by extension Scott Pilarz) aren't the best of friends. If we lose Buzz (IMO) it won't be to a "destination", be it Texas, UCLA or anywhere else. It will be a relationship thing, leaving one that isn't working for one he thinks will. An extension at MU would at least indicate that relationships here have improved.
also Buzz's dancing and joking around with Fr.Pilarz after the Butler win should be a positive sign.
Fr. Pilarz'strack record indicates that he understands how important athletics are to a private University.
Larry has private school athletics experience as well.
I have believe that they are well aware of how important basketball is to MU, and how important Buzz is to MU basketball.
I'm optimistic that good decisions are being made.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 27, 2013, 08:25:41 AM
If Buzz signed an extension and then left after two years for a school like Indiana, then I have no problems.
If he signs one and then we go through this again next like with the likes of Minnesota, then I won't be happy with our coach.
I know there are no guarantees...but I used to think a 10 year contract signalled something...signalled recruits that you were committed, stopped other coaches from buzzing that you were leaving. I thought it signalled you would be there for 4-5 years anyway....
Oh well. I learned.
Quote from: mu-rara on March 27, 2013, 11:13:22 AM
I know there are no guarantees...but I used to think a 10 year contract signalled something...signalled recruits that you were committed, stopped other coaches from buzzing that you were leaving. I thought it signalled you would be there for 4-5 years anyway....
Oh well. I learned.
What recruit have we lost because they think Buzz is not going to stay?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 27, 2013, 11:26:29 AM
What recruit have we lost because they think Buzz is not going to stay?
I was talking about the general reasons why a coach signs a 10 year contract. In Crean's case, I think they knew BoBo was insinuating that Crean was leaving.
Quote from: mu-rara on March 27, 2013, 11:13:22 AM
I know there are no guarantees...but I used to think a 10 year contract signalled something...signalled recruits that you were committed, stopped other coaches from buzzing that you were leaving. I thought it signalled you would be there for 4-5 years anyway....
Oh well. I learned.
It does limit the number of schools who can afford to buy you out (See OU last year), which does provide some signal of commitment. Means the coach is happy there.
In Crean's case buying out a 10 year contract is something only a few schools can do, and by signing the deal he was only going to be leaving for a place like IU. A Minnesota, for example, wouldn't be able to afford his buyout even if he wanted to bolt there.
So a contract doesnt necessarily mean you're staying for the whole term, it just limits the caliber of program which could afford you.
BTW does anyone know what Rick Barnes' contract buyout would be if they were to can him in the next year or two as we all fear? That coupled with buying out Buzz, as well as giving him a raise is a lot to take on for a state school.
I get that Texas is loaded, but they couldn't even smoothly slip Barnes a $200k raise last year without it getting held up in the state house.
My point is I think Buzz is secure, and more secure if he signs a longer-term deal, hopefully this offseason.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 27, 2013, 08:58:10 AMI think outbidding for top assistants and knowing MU will pay to attract those top assistants reinforced to Buzz how much he is wanted here. He wanted an assistant and MU made it happen with no care for the cost.
Honestly, I think the Isaac Chew hire was as big to keeping Buzz as anything. After losing Benford and Aki, our staff was decimated. Now look at it. Chew is a top recruiter, Wainright is a former Big East head coach, and Autry is Buzz's boy. Our staff now looks just as good, and arguably even better, as it was last year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2013, 01:42:36 PM
Honestly, I think the Isaac Chew hire was as big to keeping Buzz as anything. After losing Benford and Aki, our staff was decimated. Now look at it. Chew is a top recruiter, Wainright is a former Big East head coach, and Autry is Buzz's boy. Our staff now looks just as good, and arguably even better, as it was last year.
Great point, brew!