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Manny Navarro @Manny_Navarro 5m
Just told Reggie Johnson won't be making trip to DC with the team. #UM
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Johnson hasn't been all that good since returning from injury, but that's still a pretty significant development for Miami.
Paint Touches @PaintTouches 4m
Breaking news #mubb RT @Manny_Navarro: Just told Reggie Johnson won't be making trip to DC with the team. #UM
WOW that most certainly is an interesting development
Michelle Kaufman @kaufsports 5m
Breaking news: hearing Reggie Johnson not making trip. Knee injury that may require surgery. Stay tuned. @MiamiHerald @HeraldSports
Averages 21.3 mins, 6.7 points, 7.0 boards a game. Pretty decent impact I would think but they got used to playing without him early in the season.
Lucky break. They don't have a deep rotation.... 7 or 8 guys including Johnson. It also means they have 5 less fouls. Johnson's listed as 6'10 290lb center.
Coincidentally, "Reggie Johnson" was my alias when I was an undergrad.
Quote from: Retire54 on March 26, 2013, 04:58:51 PM
Averages 21.3 mins, 6.7 points, 7.0 boards a game. Pretty decent impact I would think but they got used to playing without him early in the season.
They may have also got used to playing with him late in the season, too.
I find this very intriguing... was he playing the last few weeks while injured, and if so, why?
Since returning from injury Jan 23, averaging 4.5 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 1.9 offense boards in 18.7 minutes... he's not lighting up the scoreboard, but that's a pretty significant gap he's leaving on a team that only goes three-deep at the 4 & 5 positions. Swoope and Jekiri (each only 1.4 ppg in under 7 minutes) are going to need to step up unless they go small, because you're not going to get much more from Kadji (29 mpg) and Gamble (20 mpg) might not be able to give you much more than he already is.
I suppose from MU's perspective, Miami is much deeper at guard, so losing any depth in the post bodes well.
Quote from: Benny B on March 26, 2013, 05:17:33 PM
They may have also got used to playing with him late in the season, too.
I find this very intriguing... was he playing the last few weeks while injured, and if so, why?
Since returning from injury Jan 23, averaging 4.5 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 1.9 offense boards in 18.7 minutes... he's not lighting up the scoreboard, but that's a pretty significant gap he's leaving on a team that only goes three-deep at the 4 & 5 positions. Swoope and Jekiri (each only 1.4 ppg in under 7 minutes) are going to need to step up unless they go small, because you're not going to get much more from Kadji (29 mpg) and Gamble (20 mpg) might not be able to give you much more than he already is.
I suppose from MU's perspective, Miami is much deeper at guard, so losing any depth in the post bodes well.
I think our biggest benefit is that this gives them 5 less fouls. Really need to pound the ball downlow to Gardner and drive on their big men to get them in foul trouble.
Johnson's also a senior, so it may be a break that they won't have his senior leadership.
Quote from: Benny B on March 26, 2013, 05:17:33 PM
They may have also got used to playing with him late in the season, too.
I find this very intriguing... was he playing the last few weeks while injured, and if so, why?
Since returning from injury Jan 23, averaging 4.5 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 1.9 offense boards in 18.7 minutes... he's not lighting up the scoreboard, but that's a pretty significant gap he's leaving on a team that only goes three-deep at the 4 & 5 positions. Swoope and Jekiri (each only 1.4 ppg in under 7 minutes) are going to need to step up unless they go small, because you're not going to get much more from Kadji (29 mpg) and Gamble (20 mpg) might not be able to give you much more than he already is.
I suppose from MU's perspective, Miami is much deeper at guard, so losing any depth in the post bodes well.
Find a way to hang some fouls on them inside early.
In a game where the point spread is two possessions, a team which only plays 7-8 deep losing a rotation player is a big deal.
To go deep in this tournament you need to be good. A little luck never hurts either.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 26, 2013, 05:24:15 PM
I think our biggest benefit is that this gives them 5 less fouls. Really need to pound the ball downlow to Gardner and drive on their big men to get them in foul trouble.
Johnson's also a senior, so it may be a break that they won't have his senior leadership.
Don't they have 5-6 seniors on the roster? Not sue what missing one senior will do in the leadership department.
Is it possible he still plays? No word that he's out, right? Only word is that he's not making their charter flight since his knee needs to be looked at (possible surgery). Perhaps he's coming in tomorrow night after a doctor appointment?
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/40976/reggie-johnson
Hasn't done too much recently. Had a 7/10 in the opening round but he also had 4 TOs. Wonder if he has been playing hurt? As a senior, maybe he say f-it and played despite possibly damaging his knee?
Quote from: Norm on March 26, 2013, 05:34:34 PM
Don't they have 5-6 seniors on the roster? Not sue what missing one senior will do in the leadership department.
True, but you never know what a Senior adds to a dynamic in the locker room or sideline.
I think this hurts them in a way that PPG and RPG don't adequately show. Not only was Johnson 290 lbs, but he also had a 7'2" wingspan, which helped him keep opposing centers out of the paint. Miami's next heaviest player on the roster is Gamble, at 250 lbs. That's giving up 40 lbs of mass, at least, to DG and 25 lbs. to Otule. And if the speculation is true that Jekiri will get increased minutes (http://www.stateoftheu.com/2013/3/26/4150586/reggie-johnson-suffers-knee-injury-out-for-rest-of-ncaa-tournament (http://www.stateoftheu.com/2013/3/26/4150586/reggie-johnson-suffers-knee-injury-out-for-rest-of-ncaa-tournament)), he's listed at 227 lbs and gives up a whopping 63 lbs. to DG.
I'm sure Miami will adjust by going small, fronting DG, etc. But if Marquette can execute a good game plan and get the ball on the block, DG will have a huge size advantage over anyone that Miami can throw at him.
Checked out the Miami message boards. They seem to believe he is done for the year.
They also don't seem that concerned. in fact a couple posts were claiming he didn't deserve to play.
Doesn't seem like a big advantage for us but I'll take any thing we can get.
Oh man...I was looking forward to seeing he and Gardner go at--would've been like a sumo match down low.
Bodes well for MU--makes the inside a little softer for us.
According to this article, Larranaga praises him for his skill setting big picks for their shooters. The guy's a load, so that's huge if he's out.
http://tracking.si.com/2013/03/26/miami-reggie-johnson-out-against-marquette/
Looking at the box scores since the acc tourney, he really hasn't had much of an impact.
Not everything that helps a team shows up in the box score.....
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 26, 2013, 05:40:22 PM
Checked out the Miami message boards. They seem to believe he is done for the year.
They also don't seem that concerned. in fact a couple posts were claiming he didn't deserve to play.
Doesn't seem like a big advantage for us but I'll take any thing we can get.
Yeah, it seems like a small advantage. Guy only shot 38% and was turnover prone. It hurts to lose a guy like that, but you can soften the blow with more efficient/faster players.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 26, 2013, 05:40:22 PM
Checked out the Miami message boards. They seem to believe he is done for the year.
They also don't seem that concerned. in fact a couple posts were claiming he didn't deserve to play.
Doesn't seem like a big advantage for us but I'll take any thing we can get.
Reports are that the best-case scenario is he plays next weekend, i.e. Final Four, if Miami advances that far, but definitely out this weekend.
Biggest impact is this makes them a 6 player team. Run MU run. MU needs to pressure and keep rotating those 10 players and get them tired. Tired players make mistakes, foul more , and don't shoot as well.
I disagree ha did not have an impact. His big asset seems to be rebounding he had 7 rebounds in 18 minutes in the Ill. game. He averaged 7 rebounds per game during the season plus if he set the picks for the shooters it could be a factor no huge but it could hurt them in an already small rotation of 7 to 8 players.
For whatever it's worth, it doesn't look like Miami has played a single team with a player of DG's size that plays a high volume of minutes. Charles Mitchell of Maryland is 6'8 260 lbs, but he only played 12 minutes. And Derrick Nix of Michigan State is 6'9 270 lbs, but Reggie Johnson had a double-double with 3 blocks in that game. Both of those guys give up 20 or 30 lbs to DG, and no other player really comes that close.
If nothing else, this creates a nightmare for Miami's coaches to plan around, because they haven't dealt with it before and you can't simulate it in practice.
Also think about what Buzz has talked about with Otule--while he may not appear in the stats all the time, he totally changes the complexion of the game because of the space that he takes up. You can't replace that, and it will change the overall complexion of their team.
Also, Gamble looks to be both more foul-prone and a terrible FT shooter.
Quote from: MUMountin on March 26, 2013, 06:03:17 PM
Also, Gamble looks to be both more foul-prone and a terrible FT shooter.
All great points, but I didn't even think of this aspect of his absence. Johnson's 67.8% FT% looks Novak-esque compared to Gamble (47.4%), Kadji (66.1%), and Jekiri (55%). Lets the perimeter defenders stay a little closer to the shooters because our bigs can be aggressive down low.
Quote from: bobnoxious on March 26, 2013, 05:46:19 PM
Not everything that helps a team shows up in the box score.....
Signed,
Chris Otule
Espn.com just reported Miami's Reggie Johnson out for the Sweet 16 games.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 26, 2013, 05:12:19 PM
Coincidentally, "Reggie Johnson" was my alias when I was an undergrad.
Thought you are traditional?
they aren't even letting the cat go to DC to watch his boys play?
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2013, 06:53:09 PM
they aren't even letting the cat go to DC to watch his boys play?
Must be recoup'ing from surgery and unable to fly. Works for me.
The more I'm reading/thinking about this, the better this is looking for MU.
I hope to God they front DG. He will be crapping Gamble and Kadji chunks all morning on Friday.
Quote from: bobnoxious on March 26, 2013, 05:46:19 PM
Not everything that helps a team shows up in the box score.....
See: Otule, Christopher; winter/spring of 2012
edit: should have known others would be there first
The Miami Herald said Reggie might be back for the final four. Most of the posters on their scout board are already talking about how Jekeri will look good against Zeller and then Reggie will be back for the Semis. I'd love for some crow to be eaten.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2013, 06:53:09 PM
they aren't even letting the cat go to DC to watch his boys play?
According to the Pat Forde article on Yahoo he had surgery on his meniscus (knee).
Typical recovery is 6-8 weeks for that unless it was just removing some debris.
Best of luck to Reggie Johnson. I sincerely hope the surgery and his recovery are successful.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--sources--miami-center-reggie-johnson-out--but--could-come-back--for-final-four-234653188.html
The floor at the Verizon Center is grateful that it will not have to support both Johnson and Davante!
Quote from: Benny B on March 26, 2013, 08:18:36 PM
The more I'm reading/thinking about this, the better this is looking for MU.
I hope to God they front DG. He will be crapping Gamble and Kadji chunks all morning on Friday.
Miami should have been a 1 seed ahead of Gonzaga. We have our work cut out for us no matter what. Miami is very, very, very good. Great coach and an elite PG.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 26, 2013, 10:09:20 PM
Miami should have been a 1 seed ahead of Gonzaga. We have our work cut out for us no matter what. Miami is very, very, very good. Great coach and an elite PG.
I don't disagree, but look at it this way... Johnson has been to Miami all season what Otule has been to Marquette over the last couple weeks; imagine what the atmosphere would be like on Scoop if Otule so much as came down with the flu today.
To lose a big piece of your puzzle on basically 2-3 days' notice is much more significant that one might initally anticipate. That doesn't mean that Miami isn't still capable of playing like a 2-seed (or 1-seed), but any time spent adjusting and reorganizing your own team is time you're not spending on preparing to play the
other team. If Buzz & Co can take advantage, this has the potential to be a huge exploit.
The consensus line this morning was Miami -5.5; however since the Johnson news was announced, the consensus line dropped a half point to -5, with some offshore houses offering -4.5 now.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 26, 2013, 10:09:20 PM
Miami should have been a 1 seed ahead of Gonzaga. We have our work cut out for us no matter what. Miami is very, very, very good. Great coach and an elite PG.
Larkin was supposed to play at DePaul and feel bad for them. Jerry still might be there for all we know.
Quote from: 77fan88warrior on March 26, 2013, 11:12:37 PM
Larkin was supposed to play at DePaul and feel bad for them. Jerry still might be there for all we know.
Wasn't it Purnell who recruited Larkin after Jerry was already gone?
Pretty sure he was going to go to Clemson for Purnell and then switched to follow Purnell to DePaul. Took summer classes then was let out of his commitment so he could go to Miami
Quote from: Retire54 on March 27, 2013, 01:11:43 AM
Pretty sure he was going to go to Clemson for Purnell and then switched to follow Purnell to DePaul. Took summer classes then was let out of his commitment so he could go to Miami
This is correct.
My bad. Wasn't there a health issue in the family?
Reggie Johnson is an integral part of their rotation. It is the equivalent of MU losing Otule a year ago. The question is whether the next man up can perform. It also probably changes MU's approach somewhat. With Miami thinner up front, probably more post ups for DG and CO, trying to force foul trouble.
Quote from: tower912 on March 27, 2013, 08:46:01 AM
Reggie Johnson is an integral part of their rotation. It is the equivalent of MU losing Otule a year ago. The question is whether the next man up can perform. It also probably changes MU's approach somewhat. With Miami thinner up front, probably more post ups for DG and CO, trying to force foul trouble.
Exactly... and MU was still a S16 team, but the key takeaway is that it took MU a couple of weeks and a few games to adjust (a luxury Miami doesn't have). There was definitely a learning curve those first few games without Otule. They might recover fine against MU, but if I was betting against any top-four seed remaining to win it all, Miami would be far and away my first choice.
Just put parts of this on twitter.
Miami's offensive efficiency with Johnson (1.12 ppp). Without (1.00)
Defensive efficiency with (0.95). Without (0.90)
Avg Opponent Quality with (ranking of 87); without (102)
Granted, it's a small set of games, but Miami did face some very good teams (Arizona, LaSalle, UNC, Maryland). During that stretch, the offense really did struggle.
This may not necessarily be a good thing... If #mubb's offense is comparable to Miami's offense, but our defense is worse, then it favors Marquette to play more of an offensive type game.
Quote from: Warrior's Path on March 27, 2013, 01:14:44 PM
Just put parts of this on twitter.
Miami's offensive efficiency with Johnson (1.12 ppp). Without (1.00)
Defensive efficiency with (0.95). Without (0.90)
Avg Opponent Quality with (ranking of 87); without (102)
Granted, it's a small set of games, but Miami did face some very good teams (Arizona, LaSalle, UNC, Maryland). During that stretch, the offense really did struggle.
This may not necessarily be a good thing... If #mubb's offense is comparable to Miami's offense, but our defense is worse, then it favors Marquette to play more of an offensive type game.
If this were a typical team of the past few years where we went 7-8 deep, I'd agree. But this team I feel really benefits from going 10-11 deep. Miami generally only goes 7 deep including Johnson. Without him, they'll likely give the minutes to Jekiri and Swoope. In the games against top-150 competition, here are their combined numbers replacing Johnson:
11.1 mpg, 2/6 FGs, 2.9 rpg, 1.1 ppg
Now I'm no John Pudner, but the Value-Add for Johnson is 1.24 while the Value-Adds for Jekiri and Swoope are 0.49 and 0.36 respectively.
Another guy who will likely get more minutes is Julian Gamble. One stat to note regarding him...he fouled out twice this season and had a total of six games where he had 4 or more fouls. Four of those six games (and both foul-outs) were games when he played extended minutes because Johnson was out.
I think the key to this game is going to be the interior. If we can establish Otule and Gardner early and get Gamble in foul trouble, it will put a lot more pressure on Kadji and also force more minutes out of the relatively ineffective Jekiri and Swoope. Miami plays man and is horrible at turning teams over defensively, so we should be able to feed the post. Getting Gamble in foul trouble early could put us in the driver's seat relatively early.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/27/how-will-reggie-johnsons-injury-affect-miami/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/27/how-will-reggie-johnsons-injury-affect-miami/)
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My two cents - both teams are downplaying the impact of losing Johnson
Quote from: Warrior's Path on March 27, 2013, 03:44:14 PM
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/27/how-will-reggie-johnsons-injury-affect-miami/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/27/how-will-reggie-johnsons-injury-affect-miami/)
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My two cents - both teams are downplaying the impact of losing Johnson
I agree completely that this is a big loss. CS article should be coming across the feed shortly.
Quote from: Warrior's Path on March 27, 2013, 03:44:14 PM
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/27/how-will-reggie-johnsons-injury-affect-miami/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/27/how-will-reggie-johnsons-injury-affect-miami/)
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My two cents - both teams are downplaying the impact of losing Johnson
Agreed. If the guy was playing 5-7 minutes a game, I could maybe buy into the "he's not that effective for us anymore"... but Johnson's still been playing in the 20min/game range. That's a lot of added minutes for their underclassmen big guys on the bench. Maybe they'll be able to step into the role easily, but Larranaga may just decide to ride his starters longer. Either way, it should help MU as the game goes on.