Anybody else notice D-Will was playing major minutes today? I asked my friend if he noticed, and he did as well. I couldn't wrap my mind around it, Junior wasn't in foul trouble, and it was all but a lock to be his last game.
Anybody got any thoughts, concerns? All of the line ups had me dumbfounded *jake Thomas.
Was in for his shootin' ability. No one else was hittin' stink.
Yeah D Wilson did play a lot. I didn't notice whether Junior was playing exceptionally bad or not...didn't seem like it. Did Buzz think Wilson could hold Cochran better? Who knows. The lineups were really strange. I think at one point Buzz was just trying everything he could to spark the team.
Quote from: JDuquaine on March 21, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Anybody else notice D-Will was playing major minutes today? I asked my friend if he noticed, and he did as well. I couldn't wrap my mind around it, Junior wasn't in foul trouble, and it was all but a lock to be his last game.
Anybody got any thoughts, concerns? All of the line ups had me dumbfounded *jake Thomas.
I did notice this. I also noticed the tenacious defense he was bringing to the table. It didn't boggle me, it made complete sense.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on March 21, 2013, 06:44:35 PM
Yeah D Wilson did play a lot. I didn't notice whether Junior was playing exceptionally bad or not...didn't seem like it. Did Buzz think Wilson could hold Cochran better? Who knows. The lineups were really strange. I think at one point Buzz was just trying everything he could to spark the team.
I couldn't solve the riddle either. Doesn't Cochran have 6 inches on Der? I thought Doogie played well, was tenacious on D, was playing with heart. Just couldn't figure it out.
I don't get why other teams even bother to put a man on him. He can't shoot or finish near the rim. When he drives there's no need for any help D to stop him. He may be slightly better than Junior on D, but that doesn't warrant him getting those kind of minutes. I'd rather go big when Junior needs a rest and have Vander or Jamil bring the ball up.
People hate on junior who has his fare share of dumb plays. But Derrick blows. At no time are we better with Derrick over junior.
There was a drive Derrick made on the left side of the lane, he had an opening to the hole, and he didn't take the layup. Get him out. The D isn't that much better.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 21, 2013, 06:48:11 PM
People hate on junior who has his fare share of dumb plays. But Derrick blows. At no time are we better with Derrick over junior.
Not sure i'd go that far. I had watery eyes the whole game, but i don't think he turned it over. Yes i know the offense runs better through Doogie, and he can also make some nice running shots, but D-will wasn't bad.
He did his job and protected the ball and got it into the hands of the players who should take the shots. Lets all remember Doogie, Van, etc weren't great/good players at Derrick's age.
Jr's on-ball defense was really good too, didn't seem like Cochran did much for being there "traditional"-Curry wanna be
It's funny when people want Jr. out of games until they want him, i.e. see many many many threads/posts from this year.
The other D-Wilson arrives soon...Win AND Advance!!!
When you are tired you are more likely to make a mistake. Maybe Cadougan getting enough rest kept him from throwing one of his usual dumb passes.
Only one turnover from the PG's today. Derek played really good defense. Buzz was just trying to get something going.
Quote from: JDuquaine on March 21, 2013, 06:50:34 PM
Not sure i'd go that far. I had watery eyes the whole game, but i don't think he turned it over. Yes i know the offense runs better through Doogie, and he can also make some nice running shots, but D-will wasn't bad.
He did his job and protected the ball and got it into the hands of the players who should take the shots. Lets all remember Doogie, Van, etc weren't great/good players at Derrick's age.
Actually you are right in that. Derrick does take
Quote from: JDuquaine on March 21, 2013, 06:50:34 PM
Not sure i'd go that far. I had watery eyes the whole game, but i don't think he turned it over. Yes i know the offense runs better through Doogie, and he can also make some nice running shots, but D-will wasn't bad.
He did his job and protected the ball and got it into the hands of the players who should take the shots. Lets all remember Doogie, Van, etc weren't great/good players at Derrick's age.
I don't have any hopes that Derrick will make some jump next year as some other guys have like Vander. He simply lacks natural offensive skills to develop on.
That said, he only got 13 minutes today and it's not as if Junior was playing that well with his 2-9 shooting and zero assists. The one issue though is Wilson can be ignored by a defense on both dribble penetration and jump shots.
We are going to really need Duane Wilson to be ready to play 20 plus minutes as a freshman next year unless Derrick can make near miraculous improvements to his offensive game.
Quote from: El Duderino on March 21, 2013, 08:51:24 PM
I don't have any hopes that Derrick will make some jump next year as some other guys have like Vander. He simply lacks natural offensive skills to develop on.
That said, he only got 13 minutes today and it's not as if Junior was playing that well with his 2-9 shooting and zero assists. The one issue though is Wilson can be ignored by a defense on both dribble penetration and jump shots.
We are going to really need Duane Wilson to be ready to play 20 plus minutes as a freshman next year unless Derrick can make near miraculous improvements to his offensive game.
'miraculous'? No bigger improvement then we have seen in a dozen players. You remember what you thought of acker after his sophmore year?
Today Buzz used Jr/Derrick like he uses CO/DG. He kept on switching them trying to get DW on D to put pressure full or half court on Davidson's PG and keep JR out of foul trouble and keeping his legs. DW was very disrruptive on D against Davidson's PG on their offensive sets.
Quote from: RawdogDX on March 21, 2013, 09:52:49 PM
'miraculous'? No bigger improvement then we have seen in a dozen players. You remember what you thought of acker after his sophmore year?
Derrick has been here for two years now and off the top of my head i literally can't recall of a single time where he's driven the paint in a half court set and either scored or made a nice dish for an easy basket to one of our bigs. Even in transition he rarely scores or creates an easy shot for someone else. His jumper is ugly.
Almost without fail when he's in the game, Derrick dribbles the ball past half court and passes the ball to a different guard. From that point on, he rarely does much of anything else. Doesn't drive. Doesn't shoot.
FWIW, i'm not saying he can't or won't get better. I just think his skillset offensively is very limited given he's rarely ever flashed even just a few creative acts as a PG.
I clearly hope to be wrong about him going forward.
Quote from: JDuquaine on March 21, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Anybody else notice D-Will was playing major minutes today? I asked my friend if he noticed, and he did as well. I couldn't wrap my mind around it, Junior wasn't in foul trouble, and it was all but a lock to be his last game.
Anybody got any thoughts, concerns? All of the line ups had me dumbfounded *jake Thomas.
Well, as we all know, Buzz isn't a very heady coach. He's just lucky.
Sorry to say, but Derrick must be the worst point guard in the NCAA tournament, can not pass and can not shot. Does play some D, but in the first half he lost his man, and the kid it the shot.
Pulled right away.
I thought Derrick played very well yesterday, brought some great defense.
One play in particular stands out to me. On Lockett's steal and breakaway dunk, the ball-pressure Derrick applied forced a very slow and bad pass, allowing Trent to step in front of it.
This thread is an embarrassment. We won yesterday and there are people blasting one of our players? I honestly think it should be deleted.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2013, 10:21:55 PM
Sorry to say, but Derrick must be the worst point guard in the NCAA tournament, can not pass and can not shot.
Derrick Wilson played his role well yesterday, and that's all you can ask of him at this point of the season. Seriously, PRN is right.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2013, 10:21:55 PM
Sorry to say, but Derrick must be the worst point guard in the NCAA tournament, can not pass and can not shot. Does play some D, but in the first half he lost his man, and the kid it the shot.
Pulled right away.
Maybe youe are not old enough to remember Crean's teams with Diener at point and absoutely no one who could handle the ball besides him. We ended up with Jackson, our center, bringing the ball up when Diener got hurt. Wilson is not a star, but he plays defense and does not turn the ball over. I would have trouble with him, if he decided he should shoot. He may not score, but he does not take bad shots.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2013, 10:21:55 PM
Sorry to say, but Derrick must be the worst point guard in the NCAA tournament, can not pass and can not shot. Does play some D, but in the first half he lost his man, and the kid it the shot.
Pulled right away.
I think the coaches still limit what Derrick is allowed to do. Let's not forget there are probably 10-15 teams in this tourney for whom Derrick would be one of their best recruits. If he was playing somewhere where he would be allowed much more freedom. How many teams don't have a single player as good as Vander, Jamil, Davante, Todd, or even Trent (he did average 13+ at high-major ASU) on offense?
Derrick is almost always the last scoring option when he's on the floor. Maybe at some of these mid and low major teams he wouldn't be expected to defer and would put up numbers more in line with what he did in prep school. I trust Buzz's judgment and ability to develop players and feel confident there are more than a few teams in the field where Derrick would not just start but would be one of their better players.
Playing the point at Marquette is a maligned position. Junior, Buycks, and James all took a ton of criticism while here yet two of them helped get us to Sweet 16s and one was the four-year general of what I have to think was Marquette's winningest recruiting class ever. Acker and Cooby were two more guys that weathered criticism but became pretty darn significant as seniors. But they all live in the shadow of guys like Diener, Tony Miller, Hutch, and even Dean the Dream.
Let's not write Derrick off just because he isn't at their level yet.
Quote from: newsdrms on March 21, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
Today Buzz used Jr/Derrick like he uses CO/DG. He kept on switching them trying to get DW on D to put pressure full or half court on Davidson's PG and keep JR out of foul trouble and keeping his legs. DW was very disrruptive on D against Davidson's PG on their offensive sets.
THIS. It was Max hockey line offense/defense action yesterday. Buzz did it at both the #5 and #1. Every opportunity I can remember.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 22, 2013, 08:30:13 AM
I think the coaches still limit what Derrick is allowed to do. Let's not forget there are probably 10-15 teams in this tourney for whom Derrick would be one of their best recruits. If he was playing somewhere where he would be allowed much more freedom. How many teams don't have a single player as good as Vander, Jamil, Davante, Todd, or even Trent (he did average 13+ at high-major ASU) on offense?
Derrick is almost always the last scoring option when he's on the floor. Maybe at some of these mid and low major teams he wouldn't be expected to defer and would put up numbers more in line with what he did in prep school. I trust Buzz's judgment and ability to develop players and feel confident there are more than a few teams in the field where Derrick would not just start but would be one of their better players.
Playing the point at Marquette is a maligned position. Junior, Buycks, and James all took a ton of criticism while here yet two of them helped get us to Sweet 16s and one was the four-year general of what I have to think was Marquette's winningest recruiting class ever. Acker and Cooby were two more guys that weathered criticism but became pretty darn significant as seniors. But they all live in the shadow of guys like Diener, Tony Miller, Hutch, and even Dean the Dream.
Let's not write Derrick off just because he isn't at their level yet.
Yes, he plays good D, has stopped using his hands to foul like he did last year but when you have Lockett, Anderson and Wilson in the game, who is going to score? He is offensively
challenged, they play off him, he could have a shot anytime he wants it. Yesterday he drove the lane and stopped, are you kidding me. Can not wait till next year, DWilson has an
offensive mentality.
Well, that won't happen next year because Lockett will be gone. And I also expect Anderson to improve. But regardless, we will have a ton of scoring options next year if everyone comes back. Gardner, Blue, Jamil, and Otule have proven they can put the ball in the basket. If Steve and Juan continue to improve both could become competent scorers. And if McKay and even one of the freshman (Jajuan comes to mind) can deliver the goods early on you will easily be able to put Derrick out there without worry because virtually everyone else on the floor will be able to score.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 22, 2013, 09:22:42 AM
Well, that won't happen next year because Lockett will be gone. And I also expect Anderson to improve. But regardless, we will have a ton of scoring options next year if everyone comes back. Gardner, Blue, Jamil, and Otule have proven they can put the ball in the basket. If Steve and Juan continue to improve both could become competent scorers. And if McKay and even one of the freshman (Jajuan comes to mind) can deliver the goods early on you will easily be able to put Derrick out there without worry because virtually everyone else on the floor will be able to score.
Brew, I just do not see it, he is not a good passer either, watch tomorrow if he can get the ball into the low post. Has a hard time, can not shoot. Maybe another year of experience
will help and he will take the next step. Secondly, he plays low to the ground and is not explosive to the hoop. He will get the first chance to start next year, hope he improves. There
must be a reason that Buzz is bringing in 2 point guards. Is he the odd man out? I hate that MU oversigned.