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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 21, 2013, 05:32:40 PM
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I love you, but...
Vander, Jr, Jamil, Davante, Otule, Lockett and Taylor. Those are your guys; no more experimentation. We need our best lineups in at all times.
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Many of those players were in foul trouble.
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I love you, but...
Vander, Jr, Jamil, Davante, Otule, Lockett and Taylor. Those are your guys; no more experimentation. We need our best lineups in at all times.
Today was a very odd lineup display. Still don't understand why Thomas is in with 6 seconds left and we are down 1. A lot of bad lineups today. Miracle win...survive and advance
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I love you, but...
Vander, Jr, Jamil, Davante, Otule, Lockett and Taylor. Those are your guys; no more experimentation. We need our best lineups in at all times.
Totally agree. He has his moments today when Jamil and Davante needed to sit. But way, way too much of Juan.
And by the way, what is getting lost is all of this is that JAKE f'in THOMAS was on the court with MU down 1 and 5 seconds. What in the hell? Why? Shooting a three would be an awful idea. Just very strange.
I Buzz I always trust, no doubt. But wow that was strange.
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Today was a very odd lineup display. Still don't understand why Thomas is in with 6 seconds left and we are down 1. A lot of bad lineups today. Miracle win...survive and advance
Interestingly enough, I thought that one move regarding Thomas was brilliant. It forced the defense to spread out and guard him, which left more room for Blue.
Thomas was out there primarily as a decoy, and to hit an open shot if the defense collapsed, which it did not.
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My commentary on the line up has been summarized very well in the "Wheres Steve? JA is no help" thread.
I just don't get why JA is getting so many minutes and ST so few.
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Today was a very odd lineup display. Still don't understand why Thomas is in with 6 seconds left and we are down 1. A lot of bad lineups today. Miracle win...survive and advance
Seriously? Basketball 101.
He's a good shooter. Keeps a defender occupied on the ball side, and if his defender does collapse, you have a good shooter available.
Keep banging on Buzz though.
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Interestingly enough, I thought that one move regarding Thomas was brilliant. It forced the defense to spread out and guard him, which left more room for Blue.
Thomas was out there primarily as a decoy, and to hit an open shot if the defense collapsed, which it did not.
You are correct.
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Interestingly enough, I thought that one move regarding Thomas was brilliant. It forced the defense to spread out and guard him, which left more room for Blue.
Thomas was out there primarily as a decoy, and to hit an open shot if the defense collapsed, which it did not.
I get the argument...if he was a good shooter...which he isn't.
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I get the argument...if he was a good shooter...which he isn't.
Well, you are always right, so no sense explaining it further.
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I get the argument...if he was a good shooter...which he isn't.
Yeah a coaching genius like Chicos, McKillop or Morrill would have gone with four players instead.
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I get the argument...if he was a good shooter...which he isn't.
So then McKillop blew it by having one of his guys face up a not good shooter in the corner while Vander drove to the dish for the winner?
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So then McKillop blew it by having one of his guys face up a not good shooter in the corner while Vander drove to the dish for the winner?
McKillop got outcoached!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Today was a very odd lineup display. Still don't understand why Thomas is in with 6 seconds left and we are down 1. A lot of bad lineups today. Miracle win...survive and advance
Maybe if Crean was the coach you'd understand. Thomas opens up the lane...
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Maybe if Crean was the coach you'd understand. Thomas opens up the lane...
Chicos is really trying too hard to make a point that he can't make.
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I get the minutes for the subs...
Keep everyone fresh. But it seems nobody gets to play more than 2 consecutive minutes. Could have something to do with the poor shooting.
MU had sooooo many easy shots today. From within 6 feet. No offense to Davidson but it wasnt their D that caused the shooting percentage for MU today. Just take a look at the shoot chart...
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A lot of bad lineups today.
that's your opinion, and while you used the Internets and TV announcers to argue a point on a different thread...then i guess you would have to defer to buzz on this one.
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Interestingly enough, I thought that one move regarding Thomas was brilliant. It forced the defense to spread out and guard him, which left more room for Blue.
Thomas was out there primarily as a decoy, and to hit an open shot if the defense collapsed, which it did not.
Ding, ding. MUCam, Buzz just called and said you are exactly right.
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When all else fails isolate Blue and let him take to the hoop. Either a basket or foul usually happens.
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For what it's worth, if I am McKillop I collapse the defense and make the worst three point shooting team in the tournament beat me with a fourth straight three ball.
Not sure why he didn't.
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Today was a very odd lineup display. Still don't understand why Thomas is in with 6 seconds left and we are down 1. A lot of bad lineups today. Miracle win...survive and advance
If you notice, Davidson recognized Thomas as a 3-pt threat (a marquette fan would know better), so his guy face guarded him, leaving the lane wide open for vander to have isolation.
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For what it's worth, if I am McKillop I collapse the defense and make the worst three point shooting team in the tournament beat me with a fourth straight three ball.
Not sure why he didn't.
Too busy watching his coach outcoach buzz.
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When all else fails isolate Blue and let him take to the hoop. Either a basket or foul usually happens.
Spot on, Goose. Let our best player take it to the hoop and get fouled or score. I'll take that chance every time.
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Lockett sucks...give Mayo more pt.
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Lockett sucks...give Mayo more pt.
Lockett and otule were about the only thing we had going on for the first 10 minutes
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Lockett sucks...give Mayo more pt.
Mayo can't play D.
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Lockett and otule were about the only thing we had going on for the first 10 minutes
Dude shot 28% and had 5 points. He's a waste on O.
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Mayo can't play D.
Can't play D?
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Dude shot 28% and had 5 points. He's a waste on O.
I forgot, only video game offensive numbers are acceptable (he shot the team average 28%). Forget things like defense and rebounding (which he had 11).
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Dude shot 28% and had 5 points. He's a waste on O.
He had 11 rebounds you know. There's more to the game than scoring.
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Can't play D?
Were you watching the same game I was? He can't close out, 2 stupid fouls when Davidson was going away from the basket, etc. There is a reason he wasn't in in the final 5 minutes and it wasn't because he can't shoot.
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Can't play D?
Read this. http://painttouches.com/2013/03/12/postseason-statistical-primer-marquette-defense/ (http://painttouches.com/2013/03/12/postseason-statistical-primer-marquette-defense/)
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Were you watching the same game I was? He can't close out, 2 stupid fouls when Davidson was going away from the basket, etc. There is a reason he wasn't in in the final 5 minutes and it wasn't because he can't shoot.
This is supported by the Paint Touches article talking about PPP per player. Mayo was low on the list, which I found shocking, but it make sense. Also, the argument that mayo isn't a waste on O (just to argue the converse of Lockett)... dude had a Club trillion line today!!!
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I love you, but...
Vander, Jr, Jamil, Davante, Otule, Lockett and Taylor. Those are your guys; no more experimentation. We need our best lineups in at all times.
You are absolutely correct Sir! I brought this up earlier in the year and caught boatloads of crap about it. Also, JWilson needs to start.
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Defensive metrics are a waste of time. Mayo gives offense and shooting Lockett can't produce which this team needs. We struggled to produce O against man to man Davidson we need Mayo's shooting if we're going to go far.
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Seriously? Basketball 101.
He's a good shooter. Keeps a defender occupied on the ball side, and if his defender does collapse, you have a good shooter available.
Keep banging on Buzz though.
Thank you. Anybody questioning having a shooter in there to spread the floor is an idiot. By the way, D Wilson did a great job during his minutes. He was in to disrupt Dacidson's guards and help on their bigger guys when they floated out for 3. I can't see how anybody could question coaching in this game! We played really well...just couldn't make any shots. It's the story of the year. We just beat a really good team and people are complaining? Good Lord!!
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Sure alot of Coach-of-the-year candidates on year JEEEEEEEZZZZ!!!! This board would have imploded had they lost.
Buzz has been coaching the same way all year, keep winning and advancing...Thank you Marquette
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WHEW!@!!!!!!!!
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Defensive metrics are a waste of time. Mayo gives offense and shooting Lockett can't produce which this team needs. We struggled to produce O against man to man Davidson we need Mayo's shooting if we're going to go far.
My eyes > defensive metrics. He was playing crap D the whole game.
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Defensive metrics are a waste of time. Mayo gives offense and shooting Lockett can't produce which this team needs. We struggled to produce O against man to man Davidson we need Mayo's shooting if we're going to go far.
Mayo hasn't given much offense lately and his help defense has been terrible. He does fine keeping his guy in front of him, but within the team concept, is constantly lost.
OTOH, Lockett had 11 rebounds. As many as Otule.
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Defensive metrics are a waste of time. Mayo gives offense and shooting Lockett can't produce which this team needs. We struggled to produce O against man to man Davidson we need Mayo's shooting if we're going to go far.
Couldn't disagree more. Lockett shoots a higher percentage from the field and also gives us excellent rebounding and defense. Mayo hasnt been playing well for over a month or two so it did not make sense to put him in there at all. His defense has been a liability lately. Trent isnt a sexy player, but he does so many little things well, (his hustle on loose balls today was fantastic) something we need this time of the year.
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Lockett held the guys he was guarding to 9/28 shooting. That's just fine defensively.
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Defensive metrics are a waste of time. Mayo gives offense and shooting Lockett can't produce which this team needs. We struggled to produce O against man to man Davidson we need Mayo's shooting if we're going to go far.
The only problem with your theory is that Mayo isn't a good shooter.
Other than that, you're spot on.
Here is Todd compared to Dwight Buycks and Lockett, neither of which would ever be considered a "shooter".
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=trent-lockett&p1=dwight-buycks&p2=todd-mayo
Todd has talent, but he's streaky, inefficient and not the "shooter" that everybody thinks. He's just not.
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Today was a very odd lineup display. Still don't understand why Thomas is in with 6 seconds left and we are down 1. A lot of bad lineups today. Miracle win...survive and advance.
I'll admit to not being clear on all substitution rules.
Would Buzz have been allowed to remove any player in that situation after the turnover given there was no timeout?
Either way, i think the reason Buzz had Jake in was smart. The play was going to be strictly for Vander to create a shot for himself as happened vs St. John's and thus Buzz wanted Davidson defenders to not leave their man and help on Blue. So if i'm Davidson, i'd fear a kick out jumper to Thomas as much or more than anyone besides Jamil Wilson.
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Until anyone else is coach, I'll go with Buzz's way. He's got us here. He can make any call he wants. Those here... You can opine, but you cannot out coach Buzz.
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I will also say that on another board (not Scout) a former coach (not Murf) pretty much praised Buzz's rotation saying that going 11 deep is likely why they had the legs in the end of that game and Davidson's short bench likely made them physically and mentally tired.
I am not sure why posters and pseudo coaches like Chicos want us to go away from the "crazy lineups" that lead to a BE conference championship and a 3 seed despite all expectations otherwise.
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During consistent pt last year mayo was our second leading scorer of returning guys after Vander Blue at 8 pts a game. Shot a better pct as a freshman than blue. Kid has shown he can get hot and specifically in the NCAA tourney, last year. Need his shot to step up or it will be rough tomorrow. Lockett was in Derrick Wilson territory yesterday with the ball. Pretty disappointing for a senior. Hopefully he steps it up too.
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During consistent pt last year mayo was our second leading scorer after the big two and Vander Blue. Shot a better pct as a freshman than blue. Kid has shown he can get hot and specifically in the NCAA tourney, last year. Need his shot to step up or it will be rough tomorrow. Lockett was in Derrick Wilson territory yesterday with the ball. Pretty disappointing for a senior. Hopefully he steps it up too.
Last year was last year, and he was wildly inconsistent last year as well. Mayo hasn't done much this year on either end of the floor to merit more playing time. Lockett had 11 rebounds, no turnovers in 38 minutes, and according to Buzz held the players he is guarding to 9/28 shooting. If you watch the press conference from yesterday, when he was asked about Lockett, Buzz's reaction tells you all you need to know about his satisfaction with Trent's play. And the relative minutes by Mayo and Lockett reinforce who he trusts in at this point of the season.
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I think Otule and Lockett are guys whose contributions are better than they look. They are both often very frustrating to watch. Otule because he turns the ball over with poor footwork and so-so hands when he has the ball at point blank range and Lockett for his turnovers and because he gets himself into the lane and in good spots so often but doesn't turn those great opportunities into points as much as he should.
OTOH, they both do a lot of things that really help, like Otule occupying multiple defenders clearing driving lanes and rebounding lanes for his teammates and clogging the middle on defense. Or Lockett playing good D or getting a hustle rebound or steal.
I can honestly see how anyone can like or dislike both of their games.
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During consistent pt last year mayo was our second leading scorer of returning guys after Vander Blue at 8 pts a game. Shot a better pct as a freshman than blue. Kid has shown he can get hot and specifically in the NCAA tourney, last year. Need his shot to step up or it will be rough tomorrow. Lockett was in Derrick Wilson territory yesterday with the ball. Pretty disappointing for a senior. Hopefully he steps it up too.
I have no idea what games you watch. none.
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There was one substitution yesterday that surprised me in the second half. I forget the exact moment but I'm guessing there was about 12 minutes to go. On a dead ball Buzz put Mayo in and took Blue out. At that time blue had 2 fouls. It seemed like an unusual situation to sub out a superior defender. Vander was back on the floor a few seconds later on another dead ball.
And as to Jake. All you guys need to do is think back the the 'Cuse game. Nothing was going in and Buzz turned to Jake. Of course we remember his heroic shot but I think you needed to be at the game to actually see the floor oen up a foot or two. And then DG absolutely went off. Well, yesterday coach tried that same thing. Jake took a shot or two (we all wanted him to as we needed the offensive energy) and it simply didnt succeed. But his presence on the floof in the final 6.7 absolutely meant that Blue couldn't get doubled from the left side baseline defender. Buzz' other great adjustment in having Wilson trail the play meant that Blue had one man to beat. And he actually did fairly easily.
I'll go back to my one recommendation. We now know that Jake can play well enough in certain situations to help the team. I hope coach asks him to spend his summer shooting 3s. I remain convinced that he had to absorb too much responsibility when Todd was out.
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I have no idea what games you watch. none.
Read it like this:
Rabble rabble rabble. Ted Thompson fondles children! Free agents! No depth! Rabble rabble rabble.
He makes more sense that way.
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I think that is when Todd was slow on a rotation and gave up an open shot. It is clear that Buzz doesn't trust Todd on the defensive end of the floor right now.
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There was one substitution yesterday that surprised me in the second half. I forget the exact moment but I'm guessing there was about 12 minutes to go. On a dead ball Buzz put Mayo in and took Blue out. At that time blue had 2 fouls. It seemed like an unusual situation to sub out a superior defender. Vander was back on the floor a few seconds later on another dead ball.
IIRC, he subbed Mayo in for Blue because MU was on defense and, presumably, he didn't want Blue to pick up his third foul. He does similar things with Otule and Gardner but that's typically a more straight-forward offense/defense substitution.
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Can't play D?
Mayo can really D up in face-guarding/"don't let him catch" situations and is also a pretty good on-ball defender. Help defense? Not so much.
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I think that is when Todd was slow on a rotation and gave up an open shot. It is clear that Buzz doesn't trust Todd on the defensive end of the floor right now.
Todd's in a funk, no doubt. What one needs to watch for is that segment when Todd hits a couple of shots and jumpstarts the offense.
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IIRC, he subbed Mayo in for Blue because MU was on defense and, presumably, he didn't want Blue to pick up his third foul. He does similar things with Otule and Gardner but that's typically a more straight-forward offense/defense substitution.
Nope. Not in that particular case. Todd came in to play D for Van when a 3rd foul wouldn't have been an unacceptable risk. During the possession there was a foul (someone else, Juan maybe?) and Vander came right back in. So Buzz seemingly wasn't afraid of the 3rd foul scenario as he would then have reversed his thinking in the space of 15 seconds.
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I have no idea what games you watch. none.
U don't get the game at your nursing center?
Dementia is an ugly beast
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U don't get the game at your nursing center?
Dementia is an ugly beast
Ooooo.... That's a pretty lame message board response. I think I would have chosen the "don't say anything else" option.
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Ooooo.... That's a pretty lame message board response. I think I would have chosen the "don't say anything else" option.
Is this where the angry old guys try to be Internet bullies cause they have nothing else to do?
I think so
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Is this where the angry old guys try to be Internet bullies cause they have nothing else to do?
I think so
Oh I have plenty to do. But I always find time to teach our youth the error of their ways. I'm a giver.
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U don't get the game at your nursing center?
Dementia is an ugly beast
I'm 31. Dementia is a few years off, I hope.
I understand the game fine. Look at the stats for the year. Todd Mayo has been totally invisible all year. Barely worth the minutes, that he plays. As others have pointed out, Trent had a great game yesterday. He hasn't been someone that scores points all year long. He is a defender, rebounder, leader and that is exactly what he did. He had zero turnovers as well.
This is what I mean. I don't know what you are basing your arguments from. You can call me all the names you want... Since I'm not a child it doesn't bother me. You should be more bothered by your inability to explain your strange analysis of the game... then resort to name calling when you can't.
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I can see you've been doing a lot of teaching with that post count. But to Hards there's a game tomorrow at 6:45, don't miss it. MU will be rocking!
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I'm 31. Dementia is a few years off, I hope.
I understand the game fine. Look at the stats for the year. Todd Mayo has been totally invisible all year. Barely worth the minutes, that he plays. As others have pointed out, Trent had a great game yesterday. He hasn't been someone that scores points all year long. He is a defender, rebounder, leader and that is exactly what he did. He had zero turnovers as well.
This is what I mean. I don't know what you are basing your arguments from. You can call me all the names you want... Since I'm not a child it doesn't bother me. You should be more bothered by your inability to explain your strange analysis of the game... then resort to name calling when you can't.
Relax. Lets hug. Mu's got work to do still and we'll all be cheering they get it done no matter who does it.
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Todd's in a funk, no doubt. What one needs to watch for is that segment when Todd hits a couple of shots and jumpstarts the offense.
I am worried about this young man. Sure hope he stays and can get his act together over the summer.
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Relax. Lets hug. Mu's got work to do still and we'll all be cheering they get it done no matter who does it.
damn right