According to Sagarin's weighted average ranking, the NBE (i.e. including Creighton, Butler, and X) the NBE would have a rating of 81.82.
Of course one could make the argument that the ratings would be less because the conference schedule would not be as tough for current Big East members. Nevertheless, here are those rankings....
Big Ten 84.69
Big East without Catholic Seven 84.18
Big Twelve 82.19
New Big East 81.82
ACC 81.29
Mountain West 80.78
PAC-Twelve 80.40
SEC 80.26
The new BE stronger than the ACC? Ok?!
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 16, 2013, 03:21:28 PM
The new BE stronger than the ACC? Ok?!
This year.... yes. Never will be with Cuse, Pitt, ND, Ville, etc. Added.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 16, 2013, 03:40:28 PM
This year.... yes. Never will be with Cuse, Pitt, ND, Ville, etc. Added.
Assuming they maintain their current level. The only one I feel confident will do that is Louisville. Notre Dame is probably next most likely. I could see both Pitt and Cuse falling off. And of course, without those teams, the old Big East would drop well below the NBE.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2013, 05:48:17 PM
Assuming they maintain their current level. The only one I feel confident will do that is Louisville. Notre Dame is probably next most likely. I could see both Pitt and Cuse falling off. And of course, without those teams, the old Big East would drop well below the NBE.
Are you saying you think ND will be better than Cuse? Or that ND will maintain its standing as a middle of the conference top 20ish team and that Cuse won't able to maintain its elite status?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2013, 05:48:17 PM
Assuming they maintain their current level. The only one I feel confident will do that is Louisville. Notre Dame is probably next most likely. I could see both Pitt and Cuse falling off. And of course, without those teams, the old Big East would drop well below the NBE.
Cuse obits are pretty funny.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 16, 2013, 03:21:28 PM
The new BE stronger than the ACC? Ok?!
Who is good in the ACC aside from Duke and Miami? You're serious? The ACC is so down this year.
I think our conference will stack up well with with Pac 12, Big 12 and SEC. No shame in that. The Big 10 and the ACC are going to be a step ahead most seasons. What we had for the past eights seasons was something special, and I don't think another conference will ever reach those highs again. 11 teams in a 68 team tournament will never again happen.
I am very pleased with how all of this turned out. What else could we have reasonably expected? This conference will get its respect. The landscape of college hoops is going to look very different once December rolls around again. But the Big East will be right there and send 5-6 teams to the big dance.
Quote from: buckchuckler on March 16, 2013, 05:55:36 PM
Are you saying you think ND will be better than Cuse? Or that ND will maintain its standing as a middle of the conference top 20ish team and that Cuse won't able to maintain its elite status?
I think ND will be better than Cuse. That program IS Jim Boeheim. I think that there will be a fall-off when he leaves. And I think geography is a killer. The ACC will be a great conference, but the negative recruiting on how difficult it will be for kids to travel thousands of miles per week coupled with an unproven coach could very well undermine them. I also think that Syracuse will lose some of their charm as a big NYC factor when they aren't playing in the Garden.
It would not surprise me at all to see Syracuse's program fall off in a major way within 5 years of joining the ACC.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2013, 12:12:42 PM
I think ND will be better than Cuse. That program IS Jim Boeheim. I think that there will be a fall-off when he leaves. And I think geography is a killer. The ACC will be a great conference, but the negative recruiting on how difficult it will be for kids to travel thousands of miles per week coupled with an unproven coach could very well undermine them. I also think that Syracuse will lose some of their charm as a big NYC factor when they aren't playing in the Garden.
It would not surprise me at all to see Syracuse's program fall off in a major way within 5 years of joining the ACC.
I think I would agree. I also see Louisville having the potential to dominate the ACC. Will make it tougher for Duke, when coach K retires.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2013, 12:12:42 PM
It would not surprise me at all to see Syracuse's program fall off in a major way within 5 years of joining the ACC.
One thing that will be interesting is 5-10 years down the road all of these BCS conference jumpers (Rutgers, Cuse, West Virginia, Texas A&M, Maryland, etc.) and whether it helped them athletically or not. Obviously in most cases more money will be coming in. That doesn't equal wins however.
Going from a non-major conference to a major conference (ala Marquette) is a no brainer. However going between major conferences... not such a lock. We have seen Boston College struggle in all sports since joining the ACC. It will interesting to see what schools may follow their unfortunate path.
Quote from: forgetful on March 17, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
I think I would agree. I also see Louisville having the potential to dominate the ACC. Will make it tougher for Duke, when coach K retires.
Also, I think the ACC losing Maryland could stand to really hurt Pitt. Maryland was their closest opponent and was a good fit for a regional rival. Tough to get the fans amped up about Virginia and Virginia Tech, both of whom will be more focused on each other than the ever will be on Pittsburgh. It's too bad for Pitt that WVU went to the Big 12, because I'm guessing the ACC would have found room for them in their next round of expansion and allowed the Backyard Brawl to continue. Instead, the Panthers are just kind of adrift in the middle of the league with the most logical rival Syracuse some 350 miles away.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2013, 12:22:58 PM
Also, I think the ACC losing Maryland could stand to really hurt Pitt. Maryland was their closest opponent and was a good fit for a regional rival. Tough to get the fans amped up about Virginia and Virginia Tech, both of whom will be more focused on each other than the ever will be on Pittsburgh. It's too bad for Pitt that WVU went to the Big 12, because I'm guessing the ACC would have found room for them in their next round of expansion and allowed the Backyard Brawl to continue. Instead, the Panthers are just kind of adrift in the middle of the league with the most logical rival Syracuse some 350 miles away.
Not to mention that Dixon will be giving a really hard look at both UCLA and USC. I think others see Pitts situation similarly and may make it difficult for them to find a quality replacement.
I see them going after Shaka (if Dixon does leave). Would be a wise choice for them and may allow them to rebrand themselves in the new league.