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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Norm on March 13, 2013, 02:16:46 PM
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Wow, the first Jesuit Pope - Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio from Argentina.
Now, how does that help the new Big East? =)
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Nice!!
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Jumping Jesuits! We have a new pope who's a Jesuit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis
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A 78 year old?
Seriously, he's older than my dad and I don't want my dad making real complicated decisions these days.
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A 78 year old?
Seriously, he's older than my dad and I don't want my dad making real complicated decisions these days.
+1 My honest opinion. They want a few old dudes so that none of them alone gets stuck with the blame of the pedo era.
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A 78 year old?
Seriously, he's older than my dad and I don't want my dad making real complicated decisions these days.
Almost certainly one of the 5 oldest popes ever at election. The previous #5 was 78 years, 3 days.
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A 78 year old?
Seriously, he's older than my dad and I don't want my dad making real complicated decisions these days.
I think he's 76... but your point is taken. Maybe they wanted to someone with an expectedly brief reign that would have a little more freedom to rub some people the wrong way to get stuff done without needing to work with everyone for 30 years?
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I am just relieved it wasn't Buzz
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Let the speculation begin...Buzz to Buenos Aires!
Dang! hairy beat me by 30 seconds ;)
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Velim pervellem vigilate catholica VII basketball tournament.
Buzz Williams spoliatus a raeda anni.
Eamus, Marquette
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I think he's 76... but your point is taken. Maybe they wanted to someone with an expectedly brief reign that would have a little more freedom to rub some people the wrong way to get stuff done without needing to work with everyone for 30 years?
You are correct...math is hard.
Your explanation makes some sense.
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This should help recruiting.
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76, from Argentina and first Pope outside of Europe. Was hoping for Cardinal Dolan from NY, a younger Cardinal with some enthusiasm. Oh well, maybe next time, but this new Pope does seem alright. At least you can hear him talk.
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I think he's 76... but your point is taken. Maybe they wanted to someone with an expectedly brief reign that would have a little more freedom to rub some people the wrong way to get stuff done without needing to work with everyone for 30 years?
BBC is speculating that there was a vote split between 2 more controversial candidates so they chose a 'compromise' who wouldn't' be in office as long.
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76, from Argentina and first Pope outside of Europe. Was hoping for Cardinal Dolan from NY, a younger Cardinal with some enthusiasm. Oh well, maybe next time, but this new Pope does seem alright. At least you can hear him talk.
Selfishly, I was hoping for Dolan because 1. 'Merica. 2. He confirmed me, which would have been really cool.
I'm glad it was someone from South America. I had also thought the Cardinal from Ghana or from Brazil would have been good choices. Gives a good nod to the importance of the Church in the Southern Hemisphere.
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Was hoping for Cardinal Dolan from NY, a younger Cardinal with some enthusiasm.
Dolan being archbishop of MKE when the sex abuse scandel broke makes him a pretty long shot I think.
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Dolan being archbishop of MKE when the sex abuse scandel broke makes him a pretty long shot I think.
The fact that he's American didn't help much either.
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Augurs a Georgetown MU championship game.
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Dolan being archbishop of MKE when the sex abuse scandel broke makes him a pretty long shot I think.
I think the fact that he's an American hurts more. People were actually saying about him and Boston's Cardinal that their selection would be perceived as a CIA plot. Just to avoid having to deal with the headache of dealing with America-hating conspiracy theories it's worth going in a different direction.
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Dolan being archbishop of MKE when the sex abuse scandel broke makes him a pretty long shot I think.
There are many Cardinals out there in same predicament, many.....
I believe this is a "bridge" Pope selection with his first being from outside traditional Europe, first named Pope Francis and spending his entire priest career in Argentina. The next Pope should be younger.
Have to admit, like his backstory. Gave up the Cardinal residency, the Cardinal car/driver thing and just had an apartment. Said he didn't need all that stuff. Oh boy, is he in for a change.
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Dolan being archbishop of MKE when the sex abuse scandel broke makes him a pretty long shot I think.
Pretty sure Dolan was brought in after the sex scandal broke. Weakland was the guy who let it all go down.
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Pretty sure Dolan was brought in after the sex scandal broke. Weakland was the guy who let it all go down.
So to speak.
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So to speak.
Pun unintended, but still a good one!
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Gave up the Cardinal residency, the Cardinal car/driver thing and just had an apartment. Said he didn't need all that stuff. Oh boy, is he in for a change.
I love that. I hope he brings some of that attitude to the Papacy.
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I love that. I hope he brings some of that attitude to the Papacy.
Yeah, they just said he took a public bus to work everyday. Like I said and hope, that this Pope will bring some reform,etc, then comes a young, vibrant guy.
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Augurs a Georgetown MU championship game.
With Creighton and Gonzaga joining us in the semis
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Yeah, they just said he took a public bus to work everyday. Like I said and hope, that this Pope will bring some reform,etc, then comes a young, vibrant guy.
Agree. Would love to see him be the reformer and get the church straight (so to speak)... then let the next guy be the inspirational guy.
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Jumping Jesuits! We have a new pope who's a Jesuit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis
Why can't we just have this as our nickname?
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Ok, I'll say it.
This should be good for recruiting!
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Is former pope available for commish position for new BE?
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Is former pope available for commish position for new BE?
His managerial and leadership skills leave much to be desired.
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Maybe the Pope can start by giving back some of the papal wealth to doing some good.
But maybe I'm just an idealist.
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Largest population of Catholics reside in South America today. Good nod to that population but I agree seems like a compromise candidate who will serve a short term until they can develop more of a consensus.
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Brian Williams indicated another "bridge pope" was elected in 1958 and became John XIII who commenced Vatican II.
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There are many Cardinals out there in same predicament, many.....
I believe this is a "bridge" Pope selection with his first being from outside traditional Europe, first named Pope Francis and spending his entire priest career in Argentina. The next Pope should be younger.
Have to admit, like his backstory. Gave up the Cardinal residency, the Cardinal car/driver thing and just had an apartment. Said he didn't need all that stuff. Oh boy, is he in for a change.
Agree with all this. And hope that Dolan is on the other side of the bridge.
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This is big news as the job of pope is important
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Selfishly, I was hoping for Dolan because 1. 'Merica. 2. He confirmed me, which would have been really cool.
Same, though fantastic to see a Pope from the New World
I've read Francis "Isn't one of those Jesuits"
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76, so the cardinals are not expecting a 25 year papacy. Traditional on Catholic teaching, huge on commitment to the poor, the sick, the downtrodden. Humble. Asked the crowd in the square to pray for him. Former chemistry teacher. I predict it will be his job to come in and clean house for the next pope.
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Pretty sure Dolan was brought in after the sex scandal broke. Weakland was the guy who let it all go down.
You are correct--the problem Cardinal Dolan had was with the clean-up and allegations related to the improper transfer of archdiocese funds to cemetery funds and the like--I think he'll be fine on this score, though (he had his deposition taken recently).
I think he is an amazing man. Listen to Conversations with the Cardinal on the Catholic Channel (sirius XM) -- he is real, and has wonderful empathy with people who feel pushed away from the Church. On a personal note, my roommate from MU is close with him, and when my roommate's mother passed away two years ago, then archbishop of NY Dolan took time out of his schedule to fly to the midwest to say the funeral mass.
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Maybe the Pope can start by giving back some of the papal wealth to doing some good.
But maybe I'm just an idealist.
Sell all the papal wealth. Deposit it into an endowment spinning off income for the Poor. WWFoAD.
What Would Francis of Assisi Do?
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Ok, I'll say it.
This should be good for recruiting!
This should help recruiting.
Too late, bro. ;D
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Selfishly, I was hoping for Dolan because 1. 'Merica. 2. He confirmed me, which would have been really cool.
Dolan was realistic about his chances: “I’ve got a better chance of following A-Rod at third base for the Yankees than following Benedict XVI as the bishop of Rome.”
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This should help recruiting.
Kinda of the Mike Deane shades look though, I'm really a badger fan? Hope he doesn't declare the Vatican "mid major".
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Looks a little like Fay Vincent in that pic.
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Sell all the papal wealth. Deposit it into an endowment spinning off income for the Poor. WWFoAD.
What Would Francis of Assisi Do?
The papacy actually doesn't have THAT much liquid wealth (ok it has a lot, but for a sovereign nation, not really). Most of it is tied up in its real estate, art, museums, etc. etc. They can't sell that. And they are pretty good about letting people see/experience it...the Vatican Museums are quite amazing and open to the public.
I agree with you in concept though. There's no need to be living extravagantly and parading around in Prada shoes.
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I was thinking Junior Soporano.
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There's no need to be living extravagantly and parading around in Prada shoes.
Maybe someone at Prada is a Catholic and donates?
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Brian Williams indicated another "bridge pope" was elected in 1958 and became John XIII who commenced Vatican II.
I think that part of the allure of a short-tenured pope is the "freedom" to be a reformer without having to spend a 20+ year papacy working with people you may have just upset.
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Too late, bro. ;D
Rats! Not as quick as I thought I used to be!
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I was thinking Junior Soporano.
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/03/13/en_0313_specrpt_PizzeyOnNewPope_480x360.jpg) (http://www.angelfire.com/indie/thesopranos/images/junior.jpg)
holy crap.
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Maybe someone at Prada is a Catholic and donates?
I'm sure that's the case, just as Mercedes donates the Popemobile....but its about perception
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I've read Francis "Isn't one of those Jesuits"
...meaning?
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If he's supposed to be cleaning up I feel bad for him. The Church's finances are an absolute disaster right now and are only going to get worse as settlement/damage payments continue to be incurred by the sex abuse scandels.
Might be time to fire up the Indulgence press.
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If you're curious about a MU Jesuit's reaction to the new Pope .. Fr. McDermott is a '91 grad, Jesuit, and MU Board of Trustee member.
http://jimmcdermott.blogspot.com/2013/03/did-jesuits-just-take-over-vatican.html
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If he's supposed to be cleaning up I feel bad for him. The Church's finances are an absolute disaster right now and are only going to get worse as settlement/damage payments continue to be incurred by the sex abuse scandels.
Might be time to fire up the Indulgence press.
Isn't liability for the sex abuse at the diocese level?
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If you're curious about a MU Jesuit's reaction to the new Pope .. Fr. McDermott is a '91 grad, Jesuit, and MU Board of Trustee member.
http://jimmcdermott.blogspot.com/2013/03/did-jesuits-just-take-over-vatican.html
He was my next door neighbor at McCormick Hall freshman year.
That was a great read!
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Has crean cut a video yet behind an IU backdrop congratulating Marquette yet?
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Isn't liability for the sex abuse at the diocese level?
Yes but those issues tend to filter up. The Vatican also just had a serious ethical problem with the head of their central bank. Italy stopped payments to the central bank because they are not confident that proper anti-money laundering protections are in place.
http://www.economist.com/node/21560536
The article is just on the Church's finances in the USA, but in a country that large it becomes a Vatican concern as well.
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Has crean cut a video yet behind an IU backdrop congratulating Marquette yet?
to outgoing Pope Benedict XVI: "You wrecked the Papacy!"
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...meaning?
One of those liberation theologians that teach at major universities
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to outgoing Pope Benedict XVI: "You wrecked the Papacy!"
Post of the week.
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One of those liberation theologians that teach at major universities
Like Fr. Sheehan?
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Hope nobody got too attached ;D
http://www.theonion.com/video/pope-francis-resigns,31660/
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As someone who has received 8 years of education from Jesuits, I am happy to see a Jesuit Pope but doesn't the opulence that comes with the Papal position directly contradict their vow of poverty?
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As someone who has received 8 years of education from Jesuits, I am happy to see a Jesuit Pope but doesn't the opulence that comes with the Papal position directly contradict their vow of poverty?
Jesuits aren't supposed to have positions in the church hierarchy, either (bishop,etc.). But there you go.
As a cardinal, Pope Francis practiced a life of humility and simplicity as much as was practical.
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If you're curious about a MU Jesuit's reaction to the new Pope .. Fr. McDermott is a '91 grad, Jesuit, and MU Board of Trustee member.
http://jimmcdermott.blogspot.com/2013/03/did-jesuits-just-take-over-vatican.html
NM
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Italy stopped payments to the central bank because they are not confident that proper anti-money laundering protections are in place.
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The catholic 7, or at least GTN and MU should wear little fisherman logos on the jerseys. Total power move.
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Hey .. Fr. Pilarz getting on the TV today ..
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50142805n
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Fr Pilarz is a commentator on the CBS Morning show today. Talking about the new Pope. Wonder if he will go the game tonight since he's in NYC?
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Fr Pilarz is a commentator on the CBS Morning show today. Talking about the new Pope. Wonder if he will go the game tonight since he's in NYC?
... is there another reason why he was in NYC in the first place besides the game?
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... is there another reason why he was in NYC in the first place besides the game?
C7 presidents and ADs met in New York yesterday.
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C7 presidents and ADs met in New York yesterday.
Yep. I wonder if they wanted Pilarz since the new Pope is a Jesuit...
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Hey .. Fr. Pilarz getting on the TV today ..
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50142805n
that will help recruiting.
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Like Fr. Sheehan?
I know Fr Sheehan and he never espoused Liberation Theology. He is a Universal Salvationist but he was very strongly against clerical involvement in secular politics. Any suggestion otherwise is simply wrong.
There was a Jesuit who taught Theology at Marquette in the 70's. He went down to Nicaragua to help the Sandinistas and ended up as Danny Ortega's Minister of Agriculture. He was particularly involved in the break up of the latifundias. I heard him speak in DC and he made the campesinos out to be latter day Apostles.
He and Fr Cardenal, the Jesuit Sandinista Minister of Education, were cited by John Paul II as examples of unacceptable political behavior, especially since Christians could not also be Communists.
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since Christians could not also be Communists.
Which is funny, because early Christians basically were communists (not in the modern poltiical, loaded sense of the word).
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Which is funny, because early Christians basically were communists (not in the modern poltiical, loaded sense of the word).
+1
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Hey .. Fr. Pilarz getting on the TV today ..
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50142805n
I hear Pope Francis wants to de-emphasize basketball
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Which is funny, because early Christians basically were communists (not in the modern poltiical, loaded sense of the word).
Hmmmm.... I wonder where I've heard the root "commun-" somewhere in Catholic doctrine. Oh yeah... that's the part that means mass is almost over.
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One more from Fr. Jimbo:
http://jimmcdermott.blogspot.com/2013/03/why-did-cardinals-elect-bergoglio.html
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One more from Fr. Jimbo:
http://jimmcdermott.blogspot.com/2013/03/why-did-cardinals-elect-bergoglio.html
This is OUTSTANDING.
Very nicely written, and very honest assessment.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/16/pope-francis-church-poverty
VERY interesting article. I doubt he could make it happen, but I can always hope.
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