John Thompson III named Big East Coach of the Year
In something of a surprise, Georgetown's John Thompson III was named Big East Coach of the Year.
Many thought the award would go to Marquette's Buzz Williams.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/197594141.html
I don't mind JTIII winning, but the logic doesn't make sense. When you have the POY, you should be a winner. On the other hand, MU tied for first with one second-team ABE player. That is COY, my friends.
All I know is that if you had told me in November that MU would go 14-4 again in the BE, I would have offered you another IPA...
I don't mind JTIII winning, but the logic doesn't make sense. When you have the POY, you should be a winner. On the other hand, MU tied for first with one second-team ABE player. That is COY, my friends.
All I know is that if you had told me in November that MU would go 14-4 again in the BE, I would have offered you another IPA...
John Thompson III named Big East Coach of the Year
In something of a surprise, Georgetown's John Thompson III was named Big East Coach of the Year.
Many thought the award would go to Marquette's Buzz Williams.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/197594141.html
Also, he lost 2 of the top 3 scorers in the BE from last year and somehow managed to coach up a team to win the league this year (same conference record as last year).
Were you aware that Georgetown was coached up from 12-6 last year to 14-4 this year? And they lost all three of their top 3 scorers (Clark, Thompson & Sims)?
Were you aware that Georgetown was coached up from 12-6 last year to 14-4 this year? And they lost all three of their top 3 scorers (Clark, Thompson & Sims)?
Both JTIII an Buzz had great years. I imagine the one game suspension did not help Buzz's cause no matter how trivial it was. If the situation was reverse, everyone on this board would use a suspension as prime example why the other coach should not win. Buzz will have every opportunity to win this award in the future.
Ok, when you're constantly drawing in talent like GU is, you're going to lose your top scorers quite a bit. See also: Kentucky. When the talent does well together and meets the high expectations, does that warrant a coach like Cal being in the discussion (and ultimately winning) coach of the year? Absolutely. Should JT3 have been in the discussion for COTY in the Big East this year? Absolutely. Should the fact that GU has more overall talent than MU yet had the same conference record have been a mitigating factor against JT3? Absolutely. I'm not saying JT3 is undeserving - I'm leaving that distinction to Bo in the B1G However Many Teams They Have for finishing tied for fourth - but I am saying that Buzz was more deserving.
Ok, this constant "woe is me" attitude about how Marquette pulls in one and two star recruits while Georgetown's roster is chock full of top-ranked HS recruits is getting a bit old, not to mention it's inaccurate.
The Hoyas have no one who played in the McDonald's game. None of their players were ranked in the top-30. This isn't Kentucky or Duke or UNC or UCLA that we're talking about.
Didn't Marquette just pull in a top-10 recruiting class? I fail to see a reference to that in your post.
JT3 did a hell of a job this year dealing with significant off-season losses and a huge in-season loss (Whittington was the 33rd ranked PF, BTW). Plus he did it with no seniors on the roster and only two juniors. He didn't have tons of upperclassmen like Blue, Cadougan, Gardner, Otule and Wilson.
Didn't Marquette just pull in a top-10 recruiting class? I fail to see a reference to that in your post.
Well, why would you expect to see a reference to NEXT year's incoming class in a discussion of this year's team? How is it remotely relevant?
It's not. But let's not let that stop him.
Expectations will now be going up for Buzz, plain and simple, as he gets better and better classes.
Both JTIII an Buzz had great years. I imagine the one game suspension did not help Buzz's cause no matter how trivial it was. If the situation was reverse, everyone on this board would use a suspension as prime example why the other coach should not win. Buzz will have every opportunity to win this award in the future.
Does the win over UCONN count as a win for Buzz or the assistant? Just curious.
It's relevant to the general discussion that Marquette is some woebegone basketball also-ran that can't pull in top recruits. Plus, I didn't search to see what sort of recruits (rankings wise) that MU was pulling in during previous seasons. However, I imagine it's relatively close to what Georgetown pulls in.
I just find it amusing that Marquette fans are putting down their own program and players while over-inflating the talent level of other schools -- all in an effort to make an argument that Buzz was robbed.
Of course, all of this conflicts with the posters on here that claim JT3 shouldn't get COY because he has Otto Porter and a bunch of stiff, and a coach "riding" one stud player shouldn't get COY.
Which is it? Does Georgetown have superior talent or is it Otto and the Miracles?
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Ok, when you're constantly drawing in talent like GU is, you're going to lose your top scorers quite a bit. See also: Kentucky. When the talent does well together and meets the high expectations, does that warrant a coach like Cal being in the discussion (and ultimately winning) coach of the year? Absolutely. Should JT3 have been in the discussion for COTY in the Big East this year? Absolutely. Should the fact that GU has more overall talent than MU yet had the same conference record have been a mitigating factor against JT3? Absolutely. I'm not saying JT3 is undeserving - I'm leaving that distinction to Bo in the B1G However Many Teams They Have for finishing tied for fourth - but I am saying that Buzz was more deserving.
BTW -you had a really cool avatar when you first started posting. I wish you'd go back to the old Equalizer one.
Edit: The Kentucky reference is for last season, not this one. I hope it was obvious given how Kentucky may be lucky to make the tourney this year, but you never know.
Georgetown Porter: 34th Smith-Rivera: 37th Lubick: 42nd Starks: 94th Hopkins: 98th Whittington: Unranked Trawick: Unranked Ayegba: Unranked | Marquette Wilson - 40th Cadougan - 47th Blue - 48th Anderson - 80th Taylor - 82nd Gardner - Unranked Mayo - Unranked Otule - Unranked Lockett - Unranked Wison - Unranked |
I'm not sure the "more talent" argument holds, either. Using RSCI data for each coach's standard rotation:
Georgetown
Porter: 34th
Smith-Rivera: 37th
Lubick: 42nd
Starks: 94th
Hopkins: 98th
Whittington: Unranked
Trawick: Unranked
Ayegba: UnrankedMarquette
Wilson - 40th
Cadougan - 47th
Blue - 48th
Anderson - 80th
Taylor - 82nd
Gardner - Unranked
Mayo - Unranked
Otule - Unranked
Lockett - Unranked
Wison - Unranked
I mean, that seems pretty close.
I don't know you can make a big deal that Porter ranked six places ahead of Jamil Wilson or Anderson ranked 12 places ahead of Starks. Overall, talent levels appear pretty close--in fact one could argue that Buzz had a deeper roster.
Ok, this constant "woe is me" attitude about how Marquette pulls in one and two star recruits while Georgetown's roster is chock full of top-ranked HS recruits is getting a bit old, not to mention it's inaccurate.
Thank you for saying that...you are correct