BE Rookie of the Year: Jakarr Sampson
BE Coach of the Year: JTIII
BE POY: Otto Porter
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Live awards ceremony: http://www.bigeast.org/Sports/MensBasketball/2013MensBasketballChampionshipCentral.aspx
Rats. But glad it's going to another C7 coach.
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Truthfully, hard to argue with JT3. Just one more potential little chip on the shoulder.
Was really a two man race, but for f@cks sake, you lose the previous POY and also leagues highest scorer and you still win the conf, all without a first team conf player, while going undefeated at home and having a winning road record.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on March 12, 2013, 04:20:35 PM
Was really a two man race, but for f@cks sake, you lose the previous POY and also leagues highest scorer and you still win the conf, all without a first team conf player, while going undefeated at home and having a winning road record.
What he said...
Quote from: CAGASS24 on March 12, 2013, 04:20:35 PM
Was really a two man race, but for f@cks sake, you lose the previous POY and also leagues highest scorer and you still win the conf, all without a first team conf player, while going undefeated at home and having a winning road record.
What were others thinking...
Quote from: CAGASS24 on March 12, 2013, 04:20:35 PM
Was really a two man race, but for f@cks sake, you lose the previous POY and also leagues highest scorer and you still win the conf, all without a first team conf player, while going undefeated at home and having a winning road record.
What I'm drinking too.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on March 12, 2013, 04:20:35 PM
Was really a two man race, but for f@cks sake, you lose the previous POY and also leagues highest scorer and you still win the conf, all without a first team conf player, while going undefeated at home and having a winning road record.
Agreed. What a joke.
As Buzz implied the other day, these continued slights make him ticked off. This might just be the detonator to some serious fireworks. Maybe he'll showcase some moves like Jagger throughout the rest of the postseason. Especially in front of JT3.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 12, 2013, 05:34:56 PM
Agreed. What a joke.
As Buzz implied the other day, these continued slights make him ticked off. This might just be the detonator to some serious fireworks. Maybe he'll showcase some moves like Jagger throughout the rest of the postseason. Especially in front of JT3.
Spike Lee be warned.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 12, 2013, 06:02:18 PM
Spike Lee be warned.
Otto Porter as well. Maybe then we'd see what JT3 could do with similar talent to what MU has. My guess: Not as much.
Marquette lost their top two players but returned all their other players including 3 seniors(Including locket and Otule here), 4 juniors, and 3 starters.
Georgetown lost their top 3 scorers and had no seniors,only 2 juniors, and only 2 starters.
The Hoyas lost their 2nd best player two games into BE play.
I think Marquette's lack of talent is completely fabricated. Marquette has 5 players who were in the RSCI top 100. Georgetown only has 5 as well. Marquette actually signed two other top 100 talents who transfered. Georgetown signed one additional who is permanently sidelined with a heart issue.
JT3 certainly earned this award.
This is copied from another poster on the Georgetown message board:
"I reviewed the regular season conferences schedules of the league's three 14-4 teams: Georgetown, Louisville, and Marquette. Some interesting facts noted below lead me to conclude that Georgetown's conference record of 14-4 is substantially more impressive than both Louisville's and Marquette's 14-4 conference records.
Combined Conference Records of 2x Opponents
Georgetown 38-34 (Cuse, Quette, SJU, Rutgers)
Marquette 32-40 (Pitt, USF, GTown, SH)
Louisville 28-44 (SH, ND, USF, Cuse)
Combined Conference Records of Away Game Opponents
Georgetown 81-81 (Cuse, Quette, SJU, Rutgers, USF, ND, Cincy, Nova, UConn)
Marquette 78-84 (Pitt, USF, GTown, SH, Cincy, Ville, Nova, Rutgers, SJU)
Louisville 69-93 (SH, ND, USF, Cuse, UConn, Nova, GTown, Rutgers, DePaul)
Relative to Marquette and Louisville, Georgetown had the tougher 2x in-conference matchups and also played tougher competition on the road in conference."
That's more of an argument against Louisville than anything, but Georgetown had the harder schedule even if it was just marginally.
Then why was Georgetown picked to finish two spots ahead of Marquette?
Also Lockett was a transfer not a returning player.
Whittington going down was the best thing that ever happened to Georgetown. He was a shooter that stagnated the offense. Smith-Rivera can create his own shot and helped space the floor for Porter to work. There is a direct correspondence to your offensive efficiency and the loss of Whittington.
All that said...JT3 is deserving. Just think Buzz was more deserving.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 12, 2013, 07:58:37 PM
Then why was Georgetown picked to finish two spots ahead of Marquette?
Also Lockett was a transfer not a returning player.
Whittington going down was the best thing that ever happened to Georgetown. He was a shooter that stagnated the offense. Smith-Rivera can create his own shot and helped space the floor for Porter to work. There is a direct correspondence to your offensive efficiency and the loss of Whittington.
All that said...JT3 is deserving. Just think Buzz was more deserving.
Let's not feed the troll.
If Otto Porter were on Marquette, Buzz would have coached the team to 19 wins in the conference.
that's what I said.
Quote from: Warrior's Path on March 12, 2013, 08:47:12 PM
If Otto Porter were on Marquette, Buzz would have coached the team to 19 wins in the conference.
that's what I said.
+1.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on March 12, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
Marquette lost their top two players but returned all their other players including 3 seniors(Including locket and Otule here), 4 juniors, and 3 starters.
Georgetown lost their top 3 scorers and had no seniors,only 2 juniors, and only 2 starters.
The Hoyas lost their 2nd best player two games into BE play.
I think Marquette's lack of talent is completely fabricated. Marquette has 5 players who were in the RSCI top 100. Georgetown only has 5 as well. Marquette actually signed two other top 100 talents who transfered. Georgetown signed one additional who is permanently sidelined with a heart issue.
JT3 certainly earned this award.
This is copied from another poster on the Georgetown message board:
"I reviewed the regular season conferences schedules of the league's three 14-4 teams: Georgetown, Louisville, and Marquette. Some interesting facts noted below lead me to conclude that Georgetown's conference record of 14-4 is substantially more impressive than both Louisville's and Marquette's 14-4 conference records.
Combined Conference Records of 2x Opponents
Georgetown 38-34 (Cuse, Quette, SJU, Rutgers)
Marquette 32-40 (Pitt, USF, GTown, SH)
Louisville 28-44 (SH, ND, USF, Cuse)
Combined Conference Records of Away Game Opponents
Georgetown 81-81 (Cuse, Quette, SJU, Rutgers, USF, ND, Cincy, Nova, UConn)
Marquette 78-84 (Pitt, USF, GTown, SH, Cincy, Ville, Nova, Rutgers, SJU)
Louisville 69-93 (SH, ND, USF, Cuse, UConn, Nova, GTown, Rutgers, DePaul)
Relative to Marquette and Louisville, Georgetown had the tougher 2x in-conference matchups and also played tougher competition on the road in conference."
That's more of an argument against Louisville than anything, but Georgetown had the harder schedule even if it was just marginally.
Good information. Your loss of your player midseason was overcome as well. Buzz did more with less, but you guys had the harder schedule. Fair points for both sides.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 12, 2013, 08:42:26 PM
Let's not feed the troll.
He's not a troll. Valuable contributor over the last several months. COY could have gone either way.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on March 12, 2013, 09:16:37 PM
He's not a troll. Valuable contributor over the last several months years. COY could have gone either way.
Slight adjustment, and agree. It's not like this was a gimme. Porter as POY was a gimme, COY not so much.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on March 12, 2013, 09:16:37 PM
He's not a troll. Valuable contributor over the last several months. COY could have gone either way.
In general I would agree, but a comment like "I think Marquette's lack of talent is completely fabricated" is clearly trolling for a reaction. It would have been the equivalent of us going over to GU's boards, had the tables been turned, and saying "JT3 was lucky that he had Porter - without him, this team clearly would have sucked." Which would have absolutely have been trolling, IMO.
I'm just calling the comment for what it was.
Quote from: chapman on March 12, 2013, 09:18:57 PM
Slight adjustment, and agree. It's not like this was a gimme. Porter as POY was a gimme, COY not so much.
Agreed this was definitely a toss up. With 15 voters wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't an 8vs 7 decision(more like 6-5-2-1-1 likely but still) I'd be surprised if there was more than 2 vote difference between Buzz and JT3.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 12, 2013, 08:42:26 PM
Let's not feed the troll.
Troll? Guy laid out a fair argument. JT III is a solid coach. I wouldn't say Buzz is better. I am glad there will be a coach like Thomson in our new conference. After all, that was what made the original BE great. The guy from GU is hardly a troll.
Ah, the voters must have been watching ESPN this last weekend. Georgetown DID appear to win the league outright.
Quote from: keefe on March 13, 2013, 12:22:50 AM
Troll? Guy laid out a fair argument. JT III is a solid coach. I wouldn't say Buzz is better. I am glad there will be a coach like Thomson in our new conference. After all, that was what made the original BE great. The guy from GU is hardly a troll.
I know your apricot scarf might be a little too tight this morning, but read my post two above yours to see what part was trolling. Anyone who claims that MU's comparative lack of talent is pure fabrication is trolling with that comment.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 13, 2013, 11:01:02 AM
I know your apricot scarf might be a little too tight this morning, but read my post two above yours to see what part was trolling. Anyone who claims that MU's comparative lack of talent is pure fabrication is trolling with that comment.
I know your panties are usually too tight and get wedged between your flabby ass cheeks but anyone who suggests Marquette lacks talent is wrong. The guy from GU correctly points out Marquette has plenty of talent. We are arguably the deepest team in the conference. we may not have the best 5 but we certainly have the best 10.
Quote from: keefe on March 13, 2013, 11:22:25 AM
I know your panties are usually too tight and get wedged between your flabby ass cheeks but anyone who suggests Marquette lacks talent is wrong. The guy from GU correctly points out Marquette has plenty of talent. We are arguably the deepest team in the conference. we may not have the best 5 but we certainly have the best 10.
It's so cute when you try to imply I'm fat. It's creepy, though, that you're picturing what my backside looks like.
MU doesn't have a single first team all conference player. That's a fact. When people talk about a talent deficiency they talk about top end talent. Game changing talent. Porter is an example of that talent. We don't have that, plain and simple.
You sound like you need a hug.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 13, 2013, 11:30:35 AM
It's so cute when you try to imply I'm fat. It's creepy, though, that you're picturing what my backside looks like.
MU doesn't have a single first team all conference player. That's a fact. When people talk about a talent deficiency they talk about top end talent. Game changing talent. Porter is an example of that talent. We don't have that, plain and simple.
You sound like you need a hug.
Anyone who suggests Marquette lacks talent is wrong. The guy from GU correctly points out Marquette has plenty of talent. We are arguably the deepest team in the conference. we may not have the best 5 but we certainly have the best 10.
You made a snide comment about Buddhism. You are an ignorant jackass. What else do you find funny?
Quote from: keefe on March 13, 2013, 11:39:24 AM
Anyone who suggests Marquette lacks talent is wrong. The guy from GU correctly points out Marquette has plenty of talent. We are arguably the deepest team in the conference. we may not have the best 5 but we certainly have the best 10.
You made a snide comment about Buddhism. You are an ignorant jackass. What else do you find funny?
Nope, I referenced Carly Simon's song about you, "You're So Vain."
And you once again have proven my point on the topic.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 13, 2013, 12:08:33 PM
Nope, I referenced Carly Simon's song about you, "You're So Vain."
And you once again have proven my point on the topic.
No, you didn't. What's your next joke about...Jews?
Quote from: keefe on March 13, 2013, 12:11:09 PM
No, you didn't. What's your next joke about...Jew
"Your scarf, it was apricot." Directly from the lyrics.
I've referenced this song about you on multiple occasions.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 12, 2013, 10:55:56 PM
In general I would agree, but a comment like "I think Marquette's lack of talent is completely fabricated" is clearly trolling for a reaction. It would have been the equivalent of us going over to GU's boards, had the tables been turned, and saying "JT3 was lucky that he had Porter - without him, this team clearly would have sucked." Which would have absolutely have been trolling, IMO.
I'm just calling the comment for what it was.
I doubt many GU fans would disagree that the Hoyas are lucky to have Porter. What program wouldn't be lucky to have a first team all-american. Without him, the Hoyas certainly would've had a worse record.
And yes, I think Marquette's lack of talent is completely fabricated. ;)
Where is bama when you need him to calculate out how much Porter contributed to GU's season...?
Great posts from Georgetown fans! Keep it coming guys!
I don't hate the JTIII pick for COY, I just think that Buzz did more with less.
I guess we have a couple more games to continue our coach's dick-measuring contest :)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 13, 2013, 12:30:04 PM
Great posts from Georgetown fans! Keep it coming guys!
I don't hate the JTIII pick for COY, I just think that Buzz did more with less.
I guess we have a couple more games to continue our coach's dick-measuring contest :)
It's possible we could play each other in the Final. A few years ago it came to that but I recall they smoked us.
Quote from: Captain't I dimwesome on March 13, 2013, 12:25:56 PM
Where is bama when you need him to calculate out how much Porter contributed to GU's season...?
http://valueaddbasketball.com/ (http://valueaddbasketball.com/)
Porter checks in at the #2 overall player in the country for Value-Add, behind Trey Burke. Davante Gardner is the highest for MU at #45.
There's a fairly even mix after those two between the two teams.
Let's see if I can summarize the arguments
Georgetown
- Slightly harder schedule
- Overachieved from preseason
- Graduated top three scorers
- Did this with a fairly young team
- Adjusted after the loss of Whittington
Marquette
- Lost BE POY and 1st team player
- Picked to finish lower than GU preseason
- Tied Georgetown despite not having BE POY
- Team effort on results. No players on 1st team BE
- Since it was clear Porter would win POY, fairness would suggest Buzz get COY since it's so close
I understand the argument for JT3. I also think Buzz lost more, didn't have the luxury of POY, and overachieved relative to preseason expectations. Of course, I'M A MARQUETTE FAN AND THIS IS A MARQUETTE MESSAGE BOARD.
edit: I thought of one additional point regarding the COY selection and added it. Spare me any comments about life not being fair.
Perfectly laid out. Thanks!
Interesting .. I'm watching Inside MU BB .. Krause asked Buzz, "Including yourself, who are you voting for COY"?
Buzz: Ed Cooley. I won't win COY. I'll never win COY. (Because?) I don't participate in the appropriate relationships, political things, it's not in my nature .. I have no edge in saying this, not why I do this. Ed Cooley, they were picked last, yadda yadda.
.. I voted for Mike Brey the first 4 years because I admire how he handles things. I can't handle things as politically correct as he does.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 13, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
Interesting .. I'm watching Inside MU BB .. Krause asked Buzz, "Including yourself, who are you voting for COY"?
Buzz: Ed Cooley. I won't win COY. I'll never win COY. (Because?) I don't participate in the appropriate relationships, political things, it's not in my nature .. I have no edge in saying this, not why I do this. Ed Cooley, they were picked last, yadda yadda.
.. I voted for Mike Brey the first 4 years because I admire how he handles things. I can't handle things as politically correct as he does.
Very insightful into the psyche of Buzz. Very self aware guy.
Now we know to never think he'll win ;)
Buzz will never win...they dont like him. He knows it. Its that simple.
whoever postulated the vote was probable razor close is wrong. Buzz was probably down the list...i'll guess 4th. Why? they dont like him.
Dont get me wrong, Buzz Williams was the best coach in the BE, without question, in my mind. And JT3 was real good.
They just simply dont like him and its not fair....and life goes on.
Quote from: jsheim on March 13, 2013, 11:30:50 PM
Buzz will never win...they dont like him. He knows it. Its that simple.
whoever postulated the vote was probable razor close is wrong. Buzz was probably down the list...i'll guess 4th. Why? they dont like him.
Dont get me wrong, Buzz Williams was the best coach in the BE, without question, in my mind. And JT3 was real good.
They just simply dont like him and its not fair....and life goes on.
Why don't other coaches like Buzz? I get he's different and doesn't hob nob but that doesn't translate into not well liked.
Quote from: jsheim on March 13, 2013, 11:30:50 PM
Buzz will never win...they dont like him. He knows it. Its that simple.
whoever postulated the vote was probable razor close is wrong. Buzz was probably down the list...i'll guess 4th. Why? they dont like him.
Dont get me wrong, Buzz Williams was the best coach in the BE, without question, in my mind. And JT3 was real good.
They just simply dont like him and its not fair....and life goes on.
Mick Cronin is one of his long term friends. So is Brey. Purnell and Buzz are friendly and so is Kevin Ollie. Huggy had Buzz on his radio program. Who doesn't like him?
More like the Big East has the best coaches and the choice is a tough one.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 14, 2013, 12:11:45 AM
Mick Cronin is one of his long term friends. So is Brey. Purnell and Buzz are friendly and so is Kevin Ollie. Huggy had Buzz on his radio program. Who doesn't like him?
More like the Big East has the best coaches and the choice is a tough one.
I heard he and Cronin are tight and it's obvious he and Brey are buds. Buzz is a neat guy. Too bad he doesn't drink a lot. He'd be a hoot to watch with a bladder full of alcohol.
Agreed .. no idea why coaches wouldn't like him, beside perhaps him not going out to the bar and drinking with em.
In all seriousness, is there a more respectful coach out there? He's constantly praising other coaches.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 14, 2013, 12:11:45 AM
Mick Cronin is one of his long term friends. So is Brey. Purnell and Buzz are friendly and so is Kevin Ollie. Huggy had Buzz on his radio program. Who doesn't like him?
More like the Big East has the best coaches and the choice is a tough one.
Agree, but I do think with MU being that school way out west, the Big East is very East Centric. Hope this changes as we go forward.