per today's Lunardi's Bracketology.
I really don't get why people put so much stock in these made up brackets by a single guy who, granted, has probably the best guesses out of anyone else out there but are still guesses regardless.
I'm cool with 4. As long as we're in.
Quote from: ATWizJr on March 11, 2013, 10:29:56 AM
per today's Lunardi's Bracketology.
Lunardi is a genius!
Not because he's great at bracketology but because he's made a successful career out of common sense and guessing. Anyone with an up-to-date RPI and a list of automatic bids could do what he does. He just did it first. Kudos to you, Joey Brackets.
We are 13 on his S curve, making us the top 4 seed even though he put us with Duke, where the worst 4 seed should go. I guess we can't in the same region with Louisville (last number 1) because the top 3 teams in each conference by rule have to go to different regions.
The teams ahead of us on his S curve are:
1. Duke
2. Indiana
3. Gonzaga
4. Louisville
5. Kansas
6. Georgetown
7. Miami
8. Ohio State
9. Michigan State
10. New Mexico
11. Michigan
12. Florida
He has UW still as a #4 seed...I guess losing at home to Purdue didn't hurt them at all, or getting blasted by MSU..They have an RPI of 42!! ::) They are probably a 6 seed. would love to see them as a 5 with a play in game against a Kentucky/Nova something.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2013, 11:38:34 AM
He has UW still as a #4 seed...I guess losing at home to Purdue didn't hurt them at all, or getting blasted by MSU..They have an RPI of 42!! ::) They are probably a 6 seed. would love to see them as a 5 with a play in game against a Kentucky/Nova something.
THIS is exactly why I don't get why anyone pays any attention to what Lunardi says week-in, week-out. He has some good ideas/information, but all the good is completely counterbalanced by stuff like this.
Lol @ Wisconsin getting $hit on by fellow Espn posters.
How the hell are they a 4 seed?!
There isn't much difference between 1 or 2, and there isn't much difference between 4 or 5. But I'd definitely rather be a 3 than a 4, so hopefully we win a couple games in the BET, a couple teams ahead of us lose and we move up.
Quote from: JDuquaine on March 11, 2013, 11:56:55 AM
Lol @ Wisconsin getting $hit on by fellow Espn posters.
How the hell are they a 4 seed?!
Maybe Kenpom is his wing man?
Trust in Glock
http://college-basketball.si.com/2013/03/11/bracket-watch-oh-where-oh-where-to-seed-new-mexico/?sct=uk_t11_a6
Quote from: TT13 on March 11, 2013, 12:31:47 PM
Trust in Glock
http://college-basketball.si.com/2013/03/11/bracket-watch-oh-where-oh-where-to-seed-new-mexico/?sct=uk_t11_a6
3. Marquette
14. Harvard
The committee will try to avoid this matchup as we already played UW during the season.
Quote from: chapman on March 11, 2013, 12:43:05 PM
3. Marquette
14. Harvard
The committee will try to avoid this matchup as we already played UW during the season.
I would want nothing to do with VCU in this fictional scenario. We would probably turn the ball over 30 times.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/
Bracket Matrix has us as the top 4 seed, similar to Lunardi.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2013, 12:45:28 PM
I would want nothing to do with VCU in this fictional scenario. We would probably turn the ball over 30 times.
this
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2013, 12:45:28 PM
I would want nothing to do with VCU in this fictional scenario. We would probably turn the ball over 30 times.
Agreed. VCU in the 2nd round? Their style is our kryptonite.
Quote from: chapman on March 11, 2013, 12:43:05 PM
3. Marquette
14. Harvard
The committee will try to avoid this matchup as we already played UW during the season.
UW is the Harvard of the Midwest after all.
Isn't Harvard the UW of the East?
Quote from: JDuquaine on March 11, 2013, 11:56:55 AM
Lol @ Wisconsin getting $hit on by fellow Espn posters.
How the hell are they a 4 seed?!
Hey c'mon. They managed to score more than 40 points against MSU. That's gotta be worth something. ::)
Lunardi has always been good to great at predicting the teams to make the dance but hasn't been all that good at predicting the seeds themselves.
Love the 3 seed matched up with Michigan as the 2. HATE seeing VCU as the 6. Any other 6 would be fine
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2013, 11:58:20 AM
There isn't much difference between 1 or 2, and there isn't much difference between 4 or 5. But I'd definitely rather be a 3 than a 4, so hopefully we win a couple games in the BET, a couple teams ahead of us lose and we move up.
The bigger deal, IMO, than 3 vs 4 is where we get placed for the first weekend. Detroit, Dayton, Lexington, even KC and Philly are all decent driving distances from Milwaukee, and close to lots of alumni. Given the difference in our energy level in home v road games, I think this is much more important than our exact seed.
But, unfortunately, based on the schools we're competing with for desirable locations, most likely a 3 means we'll be at one of the locations (relatively) close to home. 4, and we're most likely getting shipped out west to TX, UT, or CA.
I don't care if the bracket sets Marquette up to play a 2nd round game against VCU or Duke or Kansas or the Miami Heat. If this team wants to make a run in the tournament, they're going to have to beat some good teams. Period. Quit crying about potential 2nd round match-ups and have some confidence in your team. Marquette is on the verge of becoming an elite national program but the fans still seem to think they're cheering for a team from the Great Midwest Conference.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 11, 2013, 01:56:57 PM
I don't care if the bracket sets Marquette up to play a 2nd round game against VCU or Duke or Kansas or the Miami Heat. If this team wants to make a run in the tournament, they're going to have to beat some good teams. Period. Quit crying about potential 2nd round match-ups and have some confidence in your team. Marquette is on the verge of becoming an elite national program but the fans still seem to think they're cheering for a team from the Great Midwest Conference.
Matchups are important, but you are correct, teams should be worrying about having to play Marquette in the second round not the other way around.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 11, 2013, 01:56:57 PM
I don't care if the bracket sets Marquette up to play a 2nd round game against VCU or Duke or Kansas or the Miami Heat. If this team wants to make a run in the tournament, they're going to have to beat some good teams. Period. Quit crying about potential 2nd round match-ups and have some confidence in your team. Marquette is on the verge of becoming an elite national program but the fans still seem to think they're cheering for a team from the Great Midwest Conference.
overreact much?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 11, 2013, 01:56:57 PM
I don't care if the bracket sets Marquette up to play a 2nd round game against VCU or Duke or Kansas or the Miami Heat. If this team wants to make a run in the tournament, they're going to have to beat some good teams. Period. Quit crying about potential 2nd round match-ups and have some confidence in your team. Marquette is on the verge of becoming an elite national program but the fans still seem to think they're cheering for a team from the Great Midwest Conference.
This is about right. The way I see it, any time MU either gets to the Sweet 16 or enters the tournament as a top 4 seed, its all good. That puts you in about the top 5% of college basketball. Not too shabby. It also means you are in position/have a reasonable chance of reaching the Final Four. Even if you enter as a top 4 seed, and go out in the first weekend, its disappointing, but so be it. Sometimes you lose. Doesn't mean you're suddenly a bad team, or even worse than the team that beat you. It might just mean you lost.
Right, but it also doesn't mean that the team you lost to wasn't a matchup nightmare. Whoever says winning the NCAA tourney isn't about matchups and draw is kidding themselves. Obviously talent is important, and being a top 4 seed helps create your own luck in draws. But VCU would be a bad matchup for us. That's a fact.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2013, 02:17:37 PM
Right, but it also doesn't mean that the team you lost to wasn't a matchup nightmare. Whoever says winning the NCAA tourney isn't about matchups and draw is kidding themselves. Obviously talent is important, and being a top 4 seed helps create your own luck in draws. But VCU would be a bad matchup for us. That's a fact.
Ah yes VCU, and that "havoc" gimmick--they had it printed on their warm-up shirts for the Temple game, and by now, probably have a banner for it.
I watched the Temple game and their PG is 6'4" and he had almost no trouble--he used his body to help protect the ball and was able to turn and throw over the VCU guards. Temple looked shook early, but they adjusted and routed them in the middle of the 2nd half by finding their 3point sharpshooter
How is Blue's handles? If we were to to get a draw with VCU, I wonder if we could start Blue at PG and possibly have similar results (obviously Buzz knows best), just a thought (Cadougan turns it over way too much for VCU IMO).
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 11, 2013, 02:38:41 PM
Ah yes VCU, and that "havoc" gimmick--they had it printed on their warm-up shirts for the Temple game, and by now, probably have a banner for it.
I watched the Temple game and their PG is 6'4" and he had almost no trouble--he used his body to help protect the ball and was able to turn and throw over the VCU guards. Temple looked shook early, but they adjusted and routed them in the middle of the 2nd half by finding their 3point sharpshooter
How is Blue's handles? If we were to to get a draw with VCU, I wonder if we could start Blue at PG and possibly have similar results (obviously Buzz knows best), just a thought (Cadougan turns it over way too much for VCU IMO).
Vander's handles wouldn't be my main concern. He simply isn't used to having to be the primary ballhandler/decision-maker at all, let alone against a fierce press at crunch time in an elimination game.
It's not something a player can learn in a day, a week or even a month. Hell, some might argue that the real good PGs are born with PG ability.
Buzz might eventually use Vander some at PG next season, but he's not going to experiment with it during the NCAA tournament after using him at nothing but the 2 this entire season.
As for my handles, I'd categorize them as "love."
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 11, 2013, 02:38:41 PM
Ah yes VCU, and that "havoc" gimmick--they had it printed on their warm-up shirts for the Temple game, and by now, probably have a banner for it.
I watched the Temple game and their PG is 6'4" and he had almost no trouble--he used his body to help protect the ball and was able to turn and throw over the VCU guards. Temple looked shook early, but they adjusted and routed them in the middle of the 2nd half by finding their 3point sharpshooter
How is Blue's handles? If we were to to get a draw with VCU, I wonder if we could start Blue at PG and possibly have similar results (obviously Buzz knows best), just a thought (Cadougan turns it over way too much for VCU IMO).
I agree with MU82. I think we saw in the Nova game that Blue isn't ready to be a PG, at least this year. He can bring the ball up on occassion, but JR is still the best option. Maybe I'm alone in this thought but I find JR fine at breaking the press. His gets into trouble when he's forcing low percentage passes and leaving his feet before making a pass.
Heck, JWilson can bring the ball up as the relief valve if VCU is pressing man. Beating a press is about moving the ball before the traps come and keeping it somewhat in the middle of the floor. Junior gets in trouble when he tries to beat the trap with his high dribble, or picks it up in the wrong spots. Keep a player who can dribble behind the ball as a relief valve for the first trap. Pass it back to them in the middle, they can either take it up the middle themselves or pass opposite where there theoretically isn't going to be anybody. Easy in theory, obviously sometimes difficult in execution. Best thing Buzz can do is have the other 8-9 players all press at the same time. Again, easier in theory than execution.
Quote from: tower912 on March 11, 2013, 03:31:47 PM
Heck, JWilson can bring the ball up as the relief valve if VCU is pressing man. Beating a press is about moving the ball before the traps come and keeping it somewhat in the middle of the floor. Junior gets in trouble when he tries to beat the trap with his high dribble, or picks it up in the wrong spots. Keep a player who can dribble behind the ball as a relief valve for the first trap. Pass it back to them in the middle, they can either take it up the middle themselves or pass opposite where there theoretically isn't going to be anybody. Easy in theory, obviously sometimes difficult in execution. Best thing Buzz can do is have the other 8-9 players all press at the same time. Again, easier in theory than execution.
We make it awfully hard on ourselves when we inbound the ball to the corner (which we seem to do about 90% of the time). That's an immediate trap with very few options for the guy with the ball. We need to stop doing that and figure out how to inbound the ball anyplace else.
Quote from: klyrish on March 11, 2013, 10:37:35 AM
I really don't get why people put so much stock in these made up brackets by a single guy who, granted, has probably the best guesses out of anyone else out there but are still guesses regardless.
Consensus also has us a 4 seed...the good news is that we are the best 4 seed. Four Big Ten teams ahead of us, two Big East Teams...you have to hope that basically 3 or 4 of those Big Ten teams crash and burn early, as well as G'Town and UL. Same goes for Florida and Miami and Kansas.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/
Quote from: tower912 on March 11, 2013, 03:31:47 PM
Heck, JWilson can bring the ball up as the relief valve if VCU is pressing man. Beating a press is about moving the ball before the traps come and keeping it somewhat in the middle of the floor. Junior gets in trouble when he tries to beat the trap with his high dribble, or picks it up in the wrong spots. Keep a player who can dribble behind the ball as a relief valve for the first trap. Pass it back to them in the middle, they can either take it up the middle themselves or pass opposite where there theoretically isn't going to be anybody. Easy in theory, obviously sometimes difficult in execution. Best thing Buzz can do is have the other 8-9 players all press at the same time. Again, easier in theory than execution.
Bingo! That's my biggest fear with him against an uptempo press
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 11, 2013, 03:40:15 PM
We make it awfully hard on ourselves when we inbound the ball to the corner (which we seem to do about 90% of the time). That's an immediate trap with very few options for the guy with the ball. We need to stop doing that and figure out how to inbound the ball anyplace else.
I have been saying this same thing every time I watch marquette try to break a press. It seems like this is the only way I have seen them attack a 1-2-2 type press. We never seem to find the middle of the court, and we always take close to 10 seconds.