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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MUFlutieEffect on March 10, 2013, 01:21:06 PM
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If Marquette knocks of Notre Dame, Louisville, and Georgetown this week, will it lock up a #2 seed? Sounds like a decent number of MUScoopers are thinking the ceiling is at a #3, regardless of BE Tourney results. Thoughts?
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Lville will be a tough out. But much of that #2 seed depends on what happens in other conference tourneys as well, eg, do a number of teams above us nationally make earlier-than-expected exits.
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Hell we run that table we'll have an outside shot at a 1 seed, that would be winning 9 of our last 10 and would take our RPI to a top 5 rating(top 10 now)
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I would guess that if we beat ND, Ville and GT (or whomever in the title game), thereby winning both the Big East regular-season and postseason titles, the committee would be able to justify a No. 2 seed for us pretty easily.
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If Marquette knocks of Notre Dame, Louisville, and Georgetown this week, will it lock up a #2 seed? Sounds like a decent number of MUScoopers are thinking the ceiling is at a #3, regardless of BE Tourney results. Thoughts?
I think so. Three wins against ranked teams. Two against top 8 teams. It would give us two out of three against Georgetown, and a split with Louisville with the loss at Louisville and the win on a neutral court. We would then be Big East regular season and tournament champions, and we're not coming out of nowhere, we're already ranked 15th.
Oh wait, I forgot that we lost at Wisconsin-Green Bay, so I guess not.
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Win out and a 2-seed is in the bag.
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Yes
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Depends on what the other schools do. What we do in a vacuum isn't all that is at work.
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Depends on what the other schools do. What we do in a vacuum isn't all that is at work.
No it doesn't. If we win out, we're a lock for a 2 seed.
Please explain a scenario in which we win the Conference tourney and the selection committee still puts 8 teams ahead of us?
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If we win out we are easily a #2 seed. Possibly higher.
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Win out and I think we should be national champions.
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Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out. I do think we have a better than 50-50 chance of beating Notre Dame, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.
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Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out. I do think we have a better than 50-50 chance of beating Notre Dame, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.
This is a separate discussion, though I mostly agree with you.
That said, anything can happen in March.
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Gonzaga
3 B1G teams
KU
Miami
Duke
Florida
I could easily see those 8 teams making it ahead of Big East tournament champion Marquette. Another variable will be if K-State or OK-State win the Big 12 tourney.
I don't think SLU, Arizona, or New Mexico would get a 2 ahead of MU after a BE tourney win.
We probably want someone other than Florida to win the SEC tournament, though the game there this year probably wins Florida a tie in seeding with MU. We probably want KU to win the Big 12 tournament. We want Duke to embarrass Miami. And, we want tOSU, MSU, or Michigan to lose early in the Big Ten tournament.
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there is no advantage to being a 2 seed over a 3 seed. both avoid the 1 seed until the Elite 8 if they all win out. And not much difference in playing a 15 or 14 in the first round or a 6 or 7 in the next round.
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there is no advantage to being a seed over a 3 seed. both avoid the 1 seed until the Elite 8 if they all win out. And not much difference in playing a 15 or 14 in the first round or a 6 or 7 in the next round.
Agree w this. The big jump is 4 to 3. Avoid the 5 and the 1.
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Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out. I do think we have a better than 50-50 chance of beating Notre Dame, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.
+1000. A #2 seed? We have a long way to go folks. We beat St Johns without there top players because they pulled the press off in the extra period. St Johns ended the game 9-0 and now we are running the table on our way to a # 2 seed. Got it.
I think working on an inbounds play or a press break should be the concern not a top seed.
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+1000. A #2 seed? We have a long way to go folks. We beat St Johns without there top players because they pulled the press off in the extra period. St Johns ended the game 9-0 and now we are running the table on our way to a # 2 seed. Got it.
I think working on an inbounds play or a press break should be the concern not a top seed.
Yeah, forget the NIT. We better hope we get an invite to the Padre Serra this year. Can't inbounds the ball, can't break the press.
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Yeah, you're right--I forgot our press break is our strength. Louisville is shaking at all the uncontested dunks we will get when we bust their press so easily. It happens every time.
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Gonzaga
3 B1G teams
KU
Miami
Duke
Florida
I could easily see those 8 teams making it ahead of Big East tournament champion Marquette. Another variable will be if K-State or OK-State win the Big 12 tourney.
I don't think SLU, Arizona, or New Mexico would get a 2 ahead of MU after a BE tourney win.
We probably want someone other than Florida to win the SEC tournament, though the game there this year probably wins Florida a tie in seeding with MU. We probably want KU to win the Big 12 tournament. We want Duke to embarrass Miami. And, we want tOSU, MSU, or Michigan to lose early in the Big Ten tournament.
No way that we win out and they place 3 BiG teams ahead of us in the seed lines. Only 1 of them can win the BiG tournament, another can make it to the BiG championship...the third would get a lower or same seed as us.
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No it doesn't. If we win out, we're a lock for a 2 seed.
Please explain a scenario in which we win the Conference tourney and the selection committee still puts 8 teams ahead of us?
Sure
IU
Duke
Gonzaga
All #1 seeds regardless of what happens this week.
That leaves 5 spots open
G'Town or Louisville makes the Big East final...one of them is getting a 2 seed.
Miami makes the ACC final...2 seed
Kansas makes semis or finals of Big 12....2 seed, could still be a one seed
Florida wins the SEC tourney...could be a 2 seed
Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State...any two of these three make the final and win it, you have a potential of at least one if not two of them fighting for a 2 seed.
Etc.
Not that hard at all, really. Look at who most experts have as 1 and 2 seeds right now. If they perform well this week, which easily could happen, why would they drop out? What we do is not in a vaccum.
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Yeah, you're right--I forgot our press break is our strength. Louisville is shaking at all the uncontested dunks we will get when we bust their press so easily. It happens every time.
Who said it's our strength? Didn't see that part.
Did we play amazing the last 2 games? No. But we won our last 4 games. And we won the Big East. We've also beaten Georgetown before. You're making it seem like we have no chance to win another game this year. We could go 0-2. But we're not DePaul. There's a reason we went 14-4 for the 2nd straight year in the Big East.
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http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm
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Sure
IU
Duke
Gonzaga
All #1 seeds regardless of what happens this week.
That leaves 5 spots open
G'Town or Louisville makes the Big East final...one of them is getting a 2 seed.
Miami makes the ACC final...2 seed
Kansas makes semis or finals of Big 12....2 seed, could still be a one seed
Florida wins the SEC tourney...could be a 2 seed
Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State...any two of these three make the final and win it, you have a potential of at least one if not two of them fighting for a 2 seed.
Etc.
Not that hard at all, really. Look at who most experts have as 1 and 2 seeds right now. If they perform well this week, which easily could happen, why would they drop out? What we do is not in a vaccum.
If you look at resumes, MU wins the BiG East tournament, Miami does not. Based on resume, justify them over us for a 2-seed.
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If you look at resumes, MU wins the BiG East tournament, Miami does not. Based on resume, justify them over us for a 2-seed.
If Miami made the final, they would likely get over MU, but it would be close.
Miami has a better RPI #4 vs #11 right now.
Better SOS #5 vs # 12
UM is 13-4 vs top 100 while MU is 10-6 vs top 100
Both would finish with 27-7 records if it played out that way
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Considering what I was working on today, you guys have no idea how funny this thread is to me ;D
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No way that we win out and they place 3 BiG teams ahead of us in the seed lines. Only 1 of them can win the BiG tournament, another can make it to the BiG championship...the third would get a lower or same seed as us.
It's not quite the 2009 Big East when Pitt, Louisville, and UConn all earned 1 seeds from the same conference, but the media LOVES the B1G this year like the BE in 2009. If IU does not make the finals, then they are a 1 or 2 seed still. Michigan/tOSU/MSU could make the finals and both teams could get one or two seeds.
In my opinion, IU needs to make the B1G tourney finals against an unranked cinderella to ensure the B1G gets fewer 1 and 2 seeds.
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Hell we run that table we'll have an outside shot at a 1 seed, that would be winning 9 of our last 10 and would take our RPI to a top 5 rating(top 10 now)
Doubt that will happen. At least this year!
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I would guess that if we beat ND, Ville and GT (or whomever in the title game), thereby winning both the Big East regular-season and postseason titles, the committee would be able to justify a No. 2 seed for us pretty easily.
How are you going to bump off the 3 locks for #1 right now? Gonzaga, IU, Duke are all locks for #1. Then you have at least 2 others locked at #2, fighting for one of those #1's. Those other teams get to play, too, and get to decide what is going to happen. Sure, if Miami, G'Town, Louisville, Kansas, Florida, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, etc, all lose early in their tournaments....but what's the reality of this?
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How are you going to bump off the 3 locks for #1 right now? Gonzaga, IU, Duke are all locks for #1. Then you have at least 2 others locked at #2, fighting for one of those #1's. Those other teams get to play, too, and get to decide what is going to happen. Sure, if Miami, G'Town, Louisville, Kansas, Florida, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, etc, all lose early in their tournaments....but what's the reality of this?
Chicos, I agree with you that a BET championship does not guarantee a 2 seed, but MU82 says beating ND, Ville, and Gtown makes a 2 seed easily justifiable. Are you disagreeing with that? Big difference between a guarantee vs. easily justifiable.
Personally, I think our floor is a 5, and our ceiling is a 2. Make the BE semis and don't get embarrassed there, and the floor moves up to a 4. Win it, and I'd like to think 2 or 3.
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This is being way over analyzed. If we won BE we would have a good chance at a 2.
I think right now we r a 4 seed
Lose first game maybe even a 5 seed
Win 2 games (likely ND and Lou) 3 seed
Win BE possibly 2 seed
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I do not see us beating Louisville, as this team turns the ball over to much, exactly what Louey did to MU last year, and the game in Louisville next year. PG is not good enough to
control tempo, secondly, this team has to many lulls in scoring.
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Chicos, I agree with you that a BET championship does not guarantee a 2 seed, but MU82 says beating ND, Ville, and Gtown makes a 2 seed easily justifiable. Are you disagreeing with that? Big difference between a guarantee vs. easily justifiable.
Personally, I think our floor is a 5, and our ceiling is a 2. Make the BE semis and don't get embarrassed there, and the floor moves up to a 4. Win it, and I'd like to think 2 or 3.
Yes, I would agree it's possible. I'm having trouble with people saying its a birthright (not literally) if we win the BET we get a 2 seed, and maybe a 1. Yes, we would have a shot at a 2 seed, but what happens elsewhere seems to not matter to some here. The reality is that this isn't done in a vaccum and the other results are equally important.
I think our floor is a 4. I would be disappointed at anything worse than a 4. A three is something that I think is very doable. A 1...not a chance under any scenario sans planes crashing and 5 teams eliminated. A 2, I don't see it either, but possible by getting a ton of help from a lot of other teams. Almost every domino has to fall our way.
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I think its impossible for us to have a number 1 seed, but this will be the year with the worst #1 seeds that I can remember.
Could be a good year for a 16-seed upsetting a number 1.
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Win out and I think we should be national champions.
S'truth.
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Who said it's our strength? Didn't see that part.
Did we play amazing the last 2 games? No. But we won our last 4 games. And we won the Big East. We've also beaten Georgetown before. You're making it seem like we have no chance to win another game this year. We could go 0-2. But we're not DePaul. There's a reason we went 14-4 for the 2nd straight year in the Big East.
I agree with Bilsu on this one. World--this thread is about winning out and possibly making a #2 seed. Don't see that happening. Because of that, doesn't mean that I think that we are an NIT team. We do have deficiences, I am not going to ignore that.
Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out. I do think we have a better than 50-50 chance of beating Notre Dame, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.
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Sure
IU
Duke
Gonzaga
All #1 seeds regardless of what happens this week.
That leaves 5 spots open
G'Town or Louisville makes the Big East final...one of them is getting a 2 seed. - Not ahead of us if we win it.
Miami makes the ACC final...2 seed - Not ahead of us if we win the BET
Kansas makes semis or finals of Big 12....2 seed, could still be a one seed - If they make the finals I agree. Semis get in line behind us
Florida wins the SEC tourney...could be a 2 seed - I agree if Florida wins the SEC they will be seeded ahead of us
Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State...any two of these three make the final and win it, you have a potential of at least one if not two of them fighting for a 2 seed. Big Ten will not have more than 2 teams seeded above an MU that wins the BETEtc.
If we win the BE Tournament we will be a 2 seed at worst. I also agree with those who don't think us winning is a likely scenario, but if we do win the BET, no way we are not a 2.
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If we win the BE Tournament we will be a 2 seed at worst. I also agree with those who don't think us winning is a likely scenario, but if we do win the BET, no way we are not a 2.
IF we win, we will be a 2.
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Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out. I do think we have a better than 50-50 chance of beating Notre Dame, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.
We also barely beat UConn, Georgetown, Syracuse, and Pitt on the road. This team plays close games, but they are very good at winning. I'll admit Louisville is a terrifying prospect for this team, but we can beat anyone in this league. We've played closer to teams than we might like all year going back to the cupcakes, but we won. If you don't think this team can win...well, I don't know what to tell ya.
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We also barely beat UConn, Georgetown, Syracuse, and Pitt on the road. This team plays close games, but they are very good at winning. I'll admit Louisville is a terrifying prospect for this team, but we can beat anyone in this league. We've played closer to teams than we might like all year going back to the cupcakes, but we won. If you don't think this team can win...well, I don't know what to tell ya.
I agree with everything here, brewcity, and we have done well in close games, but you can't count on continuously winning those. One of these games the other team's 80+% FT shooter isn't going to gag on the front end of a one and one, or they won't make an unforced turnover by dribbling off of their shoe or their big guy won't miss a point blank lay up. We've won a lot of those close games due to the other team's failures as much as our own success.
I also agree that the only Big East team we're not at least a 50/50 proposition against on a neutral floor is Louisville.
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We also barely beat UConn, Georgetown, Syracuse, and Pitt on the road. This team plays close games, but they are very good at winning. I'll admit Louisville is a terrifying prospect for this team, but we can beat anyone in this league. We've played closer to teams than we might like all year going back to the cupcakes, but we won. If you don't think this team can win...well, I don't know what to tell ya.
Win? Yes. Win 3 in 3 days on the road with those teams potentially being ND LOU and then GEORGE? I would love that--very very difficult road if that's our path.
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Lose the first game= 4 seed
Win 1 or 2 games= 3 seed
Win the tournament= 2 seed
Obviously you play to win it all, but the best case scenario may be to win one, and then lose. Not much difference between a 2 or a 3 seed and this team seems to be better focused after a loss.
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I agree with Bilsu on this one. World--this thread is about winning out and possibly making a #2 seed. Don't see that happening. Because of that, doesn't mean that I think that we are an NIT team. We do have deficiences, I am not going to ignore that.
Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out. I do think we have a better than 50-50 chance of beating Notre Dame, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.
We should really ask the OP what the thread is about, because now that bilsu in on the "IF" train as of this a.m., you're the only one still waiting to board at the station.
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This is being way over analyzed. If we won BE we would have a good chance at a 2.
I think right now we r a 4 seed
Lose first game maybe even a 5 seed
Win 2 games (likely ND and Lou) 3 seed
Win BE possibly 2 seed
I'd say this is right on!
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The last few years the committee has come and said the conference tournaments are important, but not that important. It's the body of work.
A lot of dominoes have to fall for MU to get a 2 seed. No way a 1, that is funny dreamy stuff.
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If Marquette knocks of Notre Dame, Louisville, and Georgetown this week, will it lock up a #2 seed? Sounds like a decent number of MUScoopers are thinking the ceiling is at a #3, regardless of BE Tourney results. Thoughts?
If we knock off Georgetown, who is now seen as a guaranteed #2 , and win the BE, we will be a guaranteed #2.
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We should really ask the OP what the thread is about, because now that bilsu in on the "IF" train as of this a.m., you're the only one still waiting to board at the station.
Benny--when we win3 in a row on the road against team like ND then LOU then GEORGE ill get on that bus. Saying -again--that is extremely difficult task. If we do, no doubt a #2 seed.
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This is totally ridiculous. If we beat Gtown and Louisville this weekend we are ahead of both of them.
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This is totally ridiculous. If we beat Gtown and Louisville this weekend we are ahead of both of them.
I think Lunardi said it best a few years ago. The conference tournaments are overvalued by the fans and undervalued by the committee. Well, the committee gets to make the calls.
Last few years the committee has said the conference tournaments are important, but not nearly as important as folks make them out to be.
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I think Lunardi said it best a few years ago. The conference tournaments are overvalued by the fans and undervalued by the committee. Well, the committee gets to make the calls.
Last few years the committee has said the conference tournaments are important, but not nearly as important as folks make them out to be.
True, but hoping a good showing might move us solidly into the 3 line.
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I am hoping for a 3. a 2 improbable and a #1 impossible this year
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Last few years the committee has said the conference tournaments are important, but not nearly as important as folks make them out to be.
You are right, but in this case their regular season profiles aren't so much better than ours (we tied during the Big East season after very similar schedules after all) that beating them both this week wouldn't move us ahead of them. If we do, we'll have split with Louisville with the loss on the road and the win on a neutral court, while we will have taken 2 of 3 from Georgetown. I think that would put us in front of each of them.
Let's hope we get to find out what they'll do in that situation!
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You are right, but in this case their regular season profiles aren't so much better than ours (we tied during the Big East season after very similar schedules after all) that beating them both this week wouldn't move us ahead of them. If we do, we'll have split with Louisville with the loss on the road and the win on a neutral court, while we will have taken 2 of 3 from Georgetown. I think that would put us in front of each of them.
Let's hope we get to find out what they'll do in that situation!
In addition, we are one spot behind Gtown on RPI. I don't see how we are seeded behind them if we beat them in the BEAST tournament.
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We better hope we get an invite to the Padre Serra this year.
Total aside, but have you looked at Padre Serra MVPs?
Novak
Bray
Greer
Those come to mind. Can't access web site for more complete list, but some pretty good players.
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Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out. I do think we have a better than 50-50 chance of beating Notre Dame, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.
Yep, but on the off chance we do win the Big East Tourney, we're probably a #2 seed, perhaps the highest 3. Definitely will not get a 1, and if we do, we will be the worst 1 seed in the history of the tournament I believe.
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Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out.
True dat. And given that we lost to Green Bay, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning a share of the regular-season Big East title.
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Benny--when we win3 in a row on the road against team like ND then LOU then GEORGE ill get on that bus. Saying -again--that is extremely difficult task. If we do, no doubt a #2 seed.
Nobody said MU was going to win the BET. The hypothetical that was floated was ""if" MU won out, would they be a 2-seed." Now that everyone has boarded the preposition train, if you look out the right window, you'll see that our "yes" train is now passing the "lot of dominoes" handcar being piloted by Chicos.
The last few years the committee has come and said the conference tournaments are important, but not that important. It's the body of work.
Translation: "We don't have time to wait for conference tourney results if we're going to get the bracket briefcase to NCAA HQ by six o'clock."
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If Lunardi is right and he has us as a 4 seed, it will be very difficult to get a 2 and jump two lines. Many many things have to fall right for us. He has Louisville as a 1 seed. Worst they are going to do is drop to a 2 seed.
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Wow, are we talkin' 'bout the same team who blew a 9 pt. lead a couple of days ago, when full court pressure was applied, against a conference nobody without 2 of their top 5 players dressed in urban wear? Great, they earned a share a the BE regular championship. No small accomplishment at all. But, are they a FF seed or Elite 8 seed? I think 4 is about right.
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Wow, are we talkin' 'bout the same team who blew a 9 pt. lead a couple of days ago, when full court pressure was applied, against a conference nobody without 2 of their top 5 players dressed in urban wear? Great, they earned a share a the BE regular championship. No small accomplishment at all. But, are they a FF seed or Elite 8 seed? I think 4 is about right.
Shhhhhhhh
There's optimism in the air, keep it going. ;)
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Wow, are we talkin' 'bout the same team who blew a 9 pt. lead a couple of days ago, when full court pressure was applied, against a conference nobody without 2 of their top 5 players dressed in urban wear? Great, they earned a share a the BE regular championship. No small accomplishment at all. But, are they a FF seed or Elite 8 seed? I think 4 is about right.
Seriously?
If you disagree with the prospect that MU would be a 2-seed in a scenario where they won the BET, just say so. If you want to debate why MU will/won't win the BET, please start a different thread.
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If Lunardi is right and he has us as a 4 seed, it will be very difficult to get a 2 and jump two lines. Many many things have to fall right for us.
Like winning the BEast tourney? That is the point.
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Wow, are we talkin' 'bout the same team who blew a 9 pt. lead a couple of days ago, when full court pressure was applied, against a conference nobody without 2 of their top 5 players dressed in urban wear? Great, they earned a share a the BE regular championship. No small accomplishment at all. But, are they a FF seed or Elite 8 seed? I think 4 is about right.
This.
I love the enthusiasm on this board, and on the team, but the chest thumping is premature. 4 ever is spot on.
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Sure
IU
Duke
Gonzaga
All #1 seeds regardless of what happens this week.
That leaves 5 spots open
G'Town or Louisville makes the Big East final...one of them is getting a 2 seed.
Miami makes the ACC final...2 seed
Kansas makes semis or finals of Big 12....2 seed, could still be a one seed
Florida wins the SEC tourney...could be a 2 seed
Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State...any two of these three make the final and win it, you have a potential of at least one if not two of them fighting for a 2 seed.
Etc.
Not that hard at all, really. Look at who most experts have as 1 and 2 seeds right now. If they perform well this week, which easily could happen, why would they drop out? What we do is not in a vaccum.
I don't think Miami moves ahead of us in this scenario.
GTown won't be ahead of us if we beat them.
Depends on who Florida beats.
Depends on who Kansas beats.
Your other Big Ten teams would also be impacted by the other teams performance in this hypothetical scenario.
You keep saying that "what we do is not in a vacuum", but what all these other teams do is not in a vacuum either.
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Seriously?
If you disagree with the prospect that MU would be a 2-seed in a scenario where they won the BET, just say so. If you want to debate why MU will/won't win the BET, please start a different thread.
This. Some of you guys have serious reading comprehension problems.
I don't believe for a second they will win the BET. If (got that? If. One more time...if) they did, there is a very reasonable chance they would end up with a 2 next to their name.
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This.
I love the enthusiasm on this board, and on the team, but the chest thumping is premature. 4 ever is spot on.
I don't see any chest thumping. We are talking about a hypothetical scenario. I don't think anyone has predicted victory in the tourney.
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If Lunardi is right and he has us as a 4 seed, it will be very difficult to get a 2 and jump two lines. Many many things have to fall right for us. He has Louisville as a 1 seed. Worst they are going to do is drop to a 2 seed.
Last year Louisville won Big East tournament and I am guessing they moved up significanly on their championship.
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Like winning the BEast tourney? That is the point.
It would take more than just winning the BEast tournament....Many dominoes, MU winning the BEAST only knocks down two. What KU, UF, Miami, MSU, OSU, UM, etc do also matters.
Only 8 slots for the top 2 seeds. 4 of them are locked and loaded right now
IU (no worse than a 2)
Gonzaga (1 guaranteed)
Duke (no worse than a 2)
Louisville (even if Louisville loses in the BET, they aren't going to get anything worse than a 2)
That leaves 4 spots left for these 9 teams
Florida
Michigan State
Ohio State
Miami
Kansas
New Mexico
Georgetown
Marquette
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Could happen, but plenty of dominoes
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It would take more than just winning the BEast tournament....Many dominoes, MU winning the BEAST only knocks down two. What KU, UF, Miami, MSU, OSU, UM, etc do also matters.
Only 8 slots for the top 2 seeds. 4 of them are locked and loaded right now
IU (no worse than a 2)
Gonzaga (1 guaranteed)
Duke (no worse than a 2)
Louisville (even if Louisville loses in the BET, they aren't going to get anything worse than a 2)
That leaves 4 spots left for these 9 teams
Florida
Michigan State
Ohio State
Miami
Kansas
New Mexico
Georgetown
Marquette
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Could happen, but plenty of dominoes
I'll agree with IU, Gonzaga and Duke. So for argument's sake, let's assume Duke (over Miami), UNM (over CSU), IU (over OSU), KU (over KSU), UF (over UK), and MU (over GU) win their respective conference tourneys.
You have one 1-seed and four 2-seeds to fill from Teams A-H below. I'll concede that New Mexico and either of UL or GU would likely grab two of them. So you have three spots left to fill between 1- and 2- lines from the following seven teams (UNM thrown in for comparison purposes), with resumes that would look, more or less, like the following:
| Team A | Team B | Team C | Team D | UNM | Team F | Team G | Team H | Top 3 |
| Record | 27-6 | 26-7 | 25-8 | 29-5 | 29-5 | 27-6 | 25-8 | 26-7 | D-A-F |
| RPI | 4 | 5 | 11 | 6 | 2 | 9 | 12 | 7 | A-B-H |
| SOS | 7 | 9 | 13 | 15 | 2 | 21 | 6 | 8 | G-A-B |
| vs. RPI top 50 | 9-5 | 10-5 | 7-8 | 13-3 | 10-3 | 6-4 | 8-8 | 6-3 | D-B-H |
| vs. RPI top 100 | 13-6 | 13-6 | 9-8 | 15-4 | 19-5 | 15-6 | 10-8 | 15-3 | H-D-F |
| Road W/L | 8-3 | 5-6 | 5-5 | 7-3 | 8-4 | 7-6 | 6-5 | 10-3 | H-A-D |
| Neutral W/L | 4-2 | 5-1 | 4-1 | 5-1 | 6-0 | 5-0 | 2-2 | 2-3 | F-B-D |
| Bad Losses (RPI>100) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | A-C-F-G |
IMO, the only team that stands out above is Team D (Kansas), so put them in. Teams A, B, F, and H form the second tier. Teams G & C (MSU and OSU, respectively) are the next tier.
So of A, B, F and H, (UL, MU, UF and Miami, respectively) two of them will get one of the remaining two spots. If UL bows out to MU, in the BET semis, I can't see the committee placing MU behind UL given the resumes. Further, I don't think the Big East will put three teams into the top 8 places on the s-curve, so eliminate Team A. MU and Florida went head to head, so give Florida the edge there. So one 2-seed left at this point, and it's between Miami and Marquette. One team beat BC and Virginia before losing to Duke while the other team just beat three ranked teams ND, UL and GU... who is the committee going to give the edge to there?
I see your point that MU could win out and things don't break their way for a 2-seed, especially if Miami beats Duke for the ACC crown and MSU/OSU beats IU in the B?. Though I would have to ask, resumes aside, is the committee going to displace the Big East co-champion/tourney champion ahead of Florida and/or Georgetown?
I'll revise my earlier statement and say that if MU wins out, it has a 85%+ chance of being a 2-seed. In other words, a lot would have to break against Marquette for MU to not get a 2-seed after winning the BET.
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One would think if we beat three quality teams like you mentioned that we should deserve a 2 seed. First off, we are usually not a good Big East Tourney team except for 08' or 09'. We always seem to face G'Town and they have their way with us. We all know that MU doesn't get any love from the AP or Coaches poll so I think the best seed we get is a 3. On the other hand if we were Wisconsin and got killed at home on senior day, get blown away at Mich. St. And win on a buzzer beater against a 2 victory bottom feeder and stay put at 22nd in AP we definitely would get a 2 seed and get our coach the c.o.y. award. My point is is that no matter what we do as an institution we never get what we deserve. Elite 8 for sure this yr and possibly even more, great coaching staff=great players=the best damn fans in the country....
"We Are Marquette"
Scotty Smooth
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It would take more than just winning the BEast tournament....Many dominoes, MU winning the BEAST only knocks down two. What KU, UF, Miami, MSU, OSU, UM, etc do also matters.
Only 8 slots for the top 2 seeds. 4 of them are locked and loaded right now
IU (no worse than a 2)
Gonzaga (1 guaranteed)
Duke (no worse than a 2)
Louisville (even if Louisville loses in the BET, they aren't going to get anything worse than a 2)
That leaves 4 spots left for these 9 teams
Florida
Michigan State
Ohio State
Miami
Kansas
New Mexico
Georgetown
Marquette
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Could happen, but plenty of dominoes
Hit the nail on the head
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I love the accomplishments this team has had any they deserve respect. That said, I am not even certain we are a good 4 seed. We have escaped of late and my hopes is whenever it ends that ends with close game. This team has weakness in several areas and really has exceeded what could ever be expected. Hoping we keep doing it, but am realistic of where this team belongs.
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Statsheet has MU as the third, 3 seed...just ahead of MSU and behind Florida and KSU on the three line.
http://goldeneaglefan.com/marquette-basketball/statseed-update/statsheet-projects-marquette-as-ncaa-tournament-three-seed-03-11-2013
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Statsheet has MU as the third, 3 seed...just ahead of MSU and behind Florida and KSU on the three line.
http://goldeneaglefan.com/marquette-basketball/statseed-update/statsheet-projects-marquette-as-ncaa-tournament-three-seed-03-11-2013
If Marquette wins the BET, they would probably move down to a 5 seed. Most of the world of ESPN doesn't know the team won co-champion and only knows the team is "scrappy" and probably a bubble team.because of that attribute. Heck, I'm yet to see ESPN or SI mention Marquette in their previews of the BET (correction, small blurb about Blue in ESPN blog article).
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A #2 seed will probably bring more pressure to go deep on the tournament by the media or ridicule from others of not being deservant, which is attention we don't need. A four seed is good. We will stay that "silent killer" until the sweet 16 or elite 8.
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USA Today 3/13
At Kansas City, Mo.
(3) Marquette vs. (14) SUMMIT/South Dakota State
(6) Wisconsin vs. (11) Temple
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I'll take this deal right now.
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USA Today 3/13
At Kansas City, Mo.
(3) Marquette vs. (14) SUMMIT/South Dakota State
(6) Wisconsin vs. (11) Temple
With Pat Summit's current condition, we should role in that game
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With Pat Summit's current condition, we should role in that game
IMHO this "joke" is way more "classless" than the one concluding Joani Harbaugh looks mannish.
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"Joani Harbaugh looks mannish" - classless, I thought she was a man or a third Harbaugh brother in drag...
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IMHO this "joke" is way more "classless" than the one concluding Joani Harbaugh looks mannish.
I was channeling you and a few others, glad I pulled it off. I feel like I graduated.
Of course, I'll do what others didn't. I'll apologize. Alzheimers runs in our family and we've always joked about it as a way to deal with it. For some, that comes off as an affront and an odd way to deal with it. For that, I apologize.
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A #2 seed will probably bring more pressure to go deep on the tournament by the media or ridicule from others of not being deservant, which is attention we don't need. A four seed is good. We will stay that "silent killer" until the sweet 16 or elite 8.
You do realize that as a 4 we play a 1 in the sweet 16, right???
Gotta hope for a 3
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I was channeling you and a few others, glad I pulled it off. I feel like I graduated.
Of course, I'll do what others didn't. I'll apologize. Alzheimers runs in our family and we've always joked about it as a way to deal with it. For some, that comes off as an affront and an odd way to deal with it. For that, I apologize.
It will soon be forgotten.
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I was channeling you and a few others, glad I pulled it off. I feel like I graduated.
Of course, I'll do what others didn't. I'll apologize. Alzheimers runs in our family and we've always joked about it as a way to deal with it. For some, that comes off as an affront and an odd way to deal with it. For that, I apologize.
No apology necessary, ugliness runs in the MUScoop family, and we've always joked about it as a way to deal with it. For some, that comes off as an affront and an odd way to deal with it. So we understand your situation, too bad you don't understand ours.
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Earning even that 3 or 4 is a big deal if you're just looking at the first weekend. Sure there is a lot of parody, but the difference between the 11's and 12's and the 13's and 14's just seems so huge (at least in the mock brackets).
My guess:
W against Louisville, 3 seed.
L before Louisville, 4 seed.
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No apology necessary, ugliness runs in the MUScoop family, and we've always joked about it as a way to deal with it. For some, that comes off as an affront and an odd way to deal with it. So we understand your situation, too bad you don't understand ours.
You sayin my wife looks like a man?!?!
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