Buzz Williams likes to philosophize, oh yes he does
After Marquette beat Notre Dame Saturday to remain in second place in the Big East, earn a double-bye in the Big East tournament and capture its 25th consecutive home victory, Buzz Williams was in a little bit of an expansive, feisty mood.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/194682781.html
It sounds like Buzz is proud of this team. That he is trying to instill a lunch-pail attitude. In his opinion, some national media types have no idea what this team is about. That he appreciates the support he has received from the rank and file.
Quote from: tower912 on March 03, 2013, 04:01:31 PM
In his opinion, some national media types have no idea what this team is about.
Hell, the local reporter has no idea what this team is about
I love Buzz, and he's a tremendous coach, but once that guy starts talking I don't think he ever ends up completing the thought he started. He is a true stream of consciousness guy.
Quote from: keefe on March 04, 2013, 02:16:40 AM
Hell, the local reporter has no idea what this team is about
Why would you say that? Michael Hunt has done a nice job this season.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 04, 2013, 06:46:04 AM
I love Buzz, and he's a tremendous coach, but once that guy starts talking I don't think he ever ends up completing the thought he started. He is a true stream of consciousness guy.
'Throw a good pitch. Throw a good pitch. Throw a good pitch.'
'The butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker'.
Al would have absolutely LOVED lunch bucket Buzz.
Interesting his reference to having "peed themselves" in last year's Big East tournament. Buzz gets motivation from everywhere..including here...no stone unturned.
My man crush on Buzz is as high as ever. He is solid gold...and if Pilarz and Larry Williams somehow screw it up...they should be thrown out.
Quote from: Ners on March 04, 2013, 09:18:20 AM
My man crush on Buzz is as high as ever. He is solid gold...and if Pilarz and Larry Williams somehow screw it up...they should be thrown out.
Ners, Fr. P and Larry are both super bright guys. Give them some credit, okay?
I agree Buzz is solid gold. One of a kind and a real star. Never tire of hearing what he has to say.
Not a phony bone in Buzz's body. Refreshing change.
In a world of coach-speak Buzz stands out as the real deal. He is genuine. Refreshing.
I do not totally agree that Buzz is without a phony bone in him but I sure find him entertaining. To me part of his appeal is that I do think he has a schtick and trying to figure it out is the fun part for me.
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2013, 10:10:10 AM
I do not totally agree that Buzz is without a phony bone in him but I sure find him entertaining. To me part of his appeal is that I do think he has a schtick and trying to figure it out is the fun part for me.
Goose - I'm not saying that Buzz doesn't play the "Shucks" card or the "I'm not that smart" card with the media. He loves to spar/toy with them. What I mean is that he's grounded - his heroes aren't rich and famous people he can have a "photo-op" relationship with - they're real life people who show up every day and do an honest day's work. I'm proud to have him be the face of my alma mater - for me, that's a nice change.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 04, 2013, 10:52:54 AM
Goose - I'm not saying that Buzz doesn't play the "Shucks" card or the "I'm not that smart" card with the media. He loves to spar/toy with them. What I mean is that he's grounded - his heroes aren't rich and famous people he can have a "photo-op" relationship with - they're real life people who show up every day and do an honest day's work. I'm proud to have him be the face of my alma mater - for me, that's a nice change.
Well said, Lenny. That puts it rather well.
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2013, 10:10:10 AM
I do not totally agree that Buzz is without a phony bone in him but I sure find him entertaining. To me part of his appeal is that I do think he has a schtick and trying to figure it out is the fun part for me.
+1
Quote from: jsglow on March 04, 2013, 09:23:29 AM
Ners, Fr. P and Larry are both super bright guys. Give them some credit, okay?
Glow
You seem to be connected at MU. I read on the other board that Buzz and LW haven't spoken to each other in person in 6 months. People here keep referencing the rift between Buzz and his Boss and his Boss' Boss. What the hell is going on? Is any of this true? I have spent a lot of time deployed and if there is any intel network better than deployed airmen/soldiers/marines I have yet to find it. One thing I know from rumor mills is that there is always some truth to every rumor. What the hell is going on back there?
Quote from: keefe on March 04, 2013, 11:13:47 AM
Glow
You seem to be connected at MU. I read on the other board that Buzz and LW haven't spoken to each other in person in 6 months. People here keep referencing the rift between Buzz and his Boss and his Boss' Boss. What the hell is going on? Is any of this true?
I don't know about 6 months, but there's not a whole lot of contact between the two of them.
Quote from: jsglow on March 04, 2013, 09:23:29 AM
Ners, Fr. P and Larry are both super bright guys. Give them some credit, okay?
Don't think anyone has questioned their IQs.
I can only imagine what will be said when Buzz leaves Marquette. He's the smartest guy in the room and he knows it. The time will come, likely sooner then later. Hopefully it is handled better by the fanbase than the last three departures. But I'm not sure the complex cultivated over decades can so easily be dismissed.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 04, 2013, 11:19:16 AM
I don't know about 6 months, but there's not a whole lot of contact between the two of them.
I was not aware they had not been communicating until I read on Dodds board that they have not spoken face to face in 6 months. I have no idea if that is correct. You seem to have some insight on this...how serious is this? If I had to rack and stack I would put Buzz above the AD in terms of importance.
From a practical standpoint, not speaking with your boss for an extended period of time isn't a good situation. Bloody hell.
Quote from: keefe on March 04, 2013, 11:50:07 AM
I was not aware they had not been communicating until I read on Dodds board that they have not spoken face to face in 6 months. I have no idea if that is correct. You seem to have some insight on this...how serious is this? If I had to rack and stack I would put Buzz above the AD in terms of importance.
From a practical standpoint, not speaking with your boss for an extended period of time isn't a good situation. Bloody hell.
This is how stupid rumors get started.
Here's exactly what was posted re: Buzz and LW not talking. Please what shred of credibility I'm failing to find here:
"I don't understand why Marquette would hire an athletic director like Williams. Our basketball program has put this university on the map. Buzz may take some risks with some kids, but he helps make them into fine young men. Isn't that part of Marquette's mission? Buzz is a wonderful person, and he cares deeply about his kids. The arrogance that some from Notre Dame have isn't something we need incorporated at Marquette.
I hope the rumors I have heard regarding our AD aren't true. Supposedly he hasn't communicated with Buzz for months. If so, sad! If Buzz leaves this program because of the ideas of our new AD, I will not continue to support the program until we get a new AD. Like I said, I hope this is just rumors."
So, basically, someone on one message board starts a rumor, stating it is, in fact, a rumor. Then someone here takes it and passes it along as perhaps more than a rumor (ignoring the fact that the originator
said it was rumor and the general tone of that post was plainly stupid.
To entertain for even a millisecond the idea that amid all the conference realignment/C&/New Big East stuff Buzz and Larry haven't spoken is dumb beyond words.
All I can say is whether Buzz is MU coach next year or not I will remain fan of his. He is entertaining to me and has delivered the goods to the program. If and when Buzz were to leave I will not be bashing down the road.
Quote from: jsglow on March 04, 2013, 09:23:29 AM
Ners, Fr. P and Larry are both super bright guys. Give them some credit, okay?
I'm sure Pilarz is bright - Larry Williams? Not so sure. His head has been knocked around for years in the NFL, and his lack of judgement to throw Buzz basically under the bus last year to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel remains the dumbest thing I've ever read/seen from an Athletic Director 90 days on the job regarding a guy in his 4th year on the job - who just delivered the first back to back Sweet 16 seasons since the 70s.
And for those who think somehow Larry Williams is a driving force behind the C7 - just because he is the most talkative of the Athletic Directors (as his ego loves the spotlight and microphone), that by no means indicates he's the straw stirring the drink.
We'll see how it all plays out - Buzz has a lot of great things going at MU - and his wife/family are reported to like it in MKE...so those things all help offset having a boss that you probably disdain/disrespect.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 04, 2013, 10:52:54 AM
Goose - I'm not saying that Buzz doesn't play the "Shucks" card or the "I'm not that smart" card with the media. He loves to spar/toy with them. What I mean is that he's grounded - his heroes aren't rich and famous people he can have a "photo-op" relationship with - they're real life people who show up every day and do an honest day's work. I'm proud to have him be the face of my alma mater - for me, that's a nice change.
In other words, 180 degrees opposite from Coach Tom Crean?
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2013, 12:37:25 PM
All I can say is whether Buzz is MU coach next year or not I will remain fan of his. He is entertaining to me and has delivered the goods to the program. If and when Buzz were to leave I will not be bashing down the road.
Well said. I feel the same way. I will always be a fan, regardless of who is cutting his checks. I cannot imagine him disengaging with anything less than complete professionalism. And I am certain his men would not hear about it on Sports Center.
Quote from: keefe on March 04, 2013, 11:50:07 AM
I was not aware they had not been communicating until I read on Dodds board that they have not spoken face to face in 6 months. I have no idea if that is correct. You seem to have some insight on this...how serious is this? If I had to rack and stack I would put Buzz above the AD in terms of importance.
From a practical standpoint, not speaking with your boss for an extended period of time isn't a good situation. Bloody hell.
I could be wrong, but I thought Buzz and LW were talking face to face on the Aircraft Carrier about playing the game or not. That was certainly less than 6 months ago. I am sure they have had their differences but who does see eye to eye with the boss all the time. My take is that the press does not see MU as a destination job for coaches so any rift just makes good copy to fuel the speculation fires.
MUWarrior69
I have never seen anything in the media regarding bad relationship between Buzz and LW. Am I missing something?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 04, 2013, 12:49:16 PM
In other words, 180 degrees opposite from Coach Tom Crean?
Happily, yes.
Well, I've seen Larry Williams on the sideline in radio/tv row talking to Buzz during games, so they are obviously talking at least there.
The whole Larry Williams concern is so overblown - basically, if he had gone somewhere else for undergrad instead of Notre Dame 3/4 of the issues people with him would go away. The poster that suggested he didn't know if Larry was smart or not because he too took many head shots in the NFL should be embarrassed for even suggesting that.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 04, 2013, 12:03:04 PM
This is how stupid rumors get started.
Here's exactly what was posted re: Buzz and LW not talking. Please what shred of credibility I'm failing to find here:
"I don't understand why Marquette would hire an athletic director like Williams. Our basketball program has put this university on the map. Buzz may take some risks with some kids, but he helps make them into fine young men. Isn't that part of Marquette's mission? Buzz is a wonderful person, and he cares deeply about his kids. The arrogance that some from Notre Dame have isn't something we need incorporated at Marquette. I hope the rumors I have heard regarding our AD aren't true. Supposedly he hasn't communicated with Buzz for months. If so, sad! If Buzz leaves this program because of the ideas of our new AD, I will not continue to support the program until we get a new AD. Like I said, I hope this is just rumors."
So, basically, someone on one message board starts a rumor, stating it is, in fact, a rumor. Then someone here takes it and passes it along as perhaps more than a rumor (ignoring the fact that the originator said it was rumor and the general tone of that post was plainly stupid.
To entertain for even a millisecond the idea that amid all the conference realignment/C&/New Big East stuff Buzz and Larry haven't spoken is dumb beyond words.
So I guess what you're saying is this:
There is irrefutable proof that Buzz and LW got into a giant fistfight recently, which started when LW called Buzz "baldy" and Buzz responding: "So's your Mom!" I hope nobody runs with this on another thread because I'd hate to think folks would conclude from this
absolutely true story that there's a rift between Buzz and LW.
Quote from: Norm on March 04, 2013, 01:47:46 PM
Well, I've seen Larry Williams on the sideline in radio/tv row talking to Buzz during games, so they are obviously talking at least there.
The whole Larry Williams concern is so overblown - basically, if he had gone somewhere else for undergrad instead of Notre Dame 3/4 of the issues people with him would go away. The poster that suggested he didn't know if Larry was smart or not because he too too many head shots in the NFL should be embarrassed for even suggesting that.
While I don't think it is as bad as people like Ners portray it to be, I don't think it has been completely overblown. Think about it this way....18 months ago Buzz was working for the President and the AD who hired him, and had almost his entire original staff.
Now almost all of that has changed. New people. Some new policies. Some bad communication.
But what I have heard is that LW and Buzz have worked quite a bit on their relationship, and that it would be a monumental surprise if Buzz leaves after this year - unless it is for one of the blue-blood type programs.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 04, 2013, 01:55:34 PM
While I don't think it is as bad as people like Ners portray it to be, I don't think it has been completely overblown. Think about it this way....18 months ago Buzz was working for the President and the AD who hired him, and had almost his entire original staff.
Now almost all of that has changed. New people. Some new policies. Some bad communication.
But what I have heard is that LW and Buzz have worked quite a bit on their relationship, and that it would be a monumental surprise if Buzz leaves after this year - unless it is for one of the blue-blood type programs.
I disagree.
It HAS been overblown.
For somebody to say LW and BW are having "growing pains" seems reasonable and is probably accurate.
To say that they haven' talked in 6mo. is entirely overblown.
To say that LW isn't smart because he was in the NFL is overblown.
To say that BW is on a "one year deal" and leaving after this season is overblown.
The entire topic is overblown.
Also, I'm a huge BW fan, and I loved the interview that he just did on Jim Rome. He does a really nice job representing MU and is very likable.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 04, 2013, 01:55:34 PM
While I don't think it is as bad as people like Ners portray it to be, I don't think it has been completely overblown. Think about it this way....18 months ago Buzz was working for the President and the AD who hired him, and had almost his entire original staff.
Now almost all of that has changed. New people. Some new policies. Some bad communication.
But what I have heard is that LW and Buzz have worked quite a bit on their relationship, and that it would be a monumental surprise if Buzz leaves after this year - unless it is for one of the blue-blood type programs.
Agree with your analysis and hope your sources on LW and Buzz improving their relationship are right. MU is just outside the door reserved for the elites in college basketball. I think we kick the door in if Buzz stays.
Right on, Lenny. We definitely are getting close to kicking the door in.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 04, 2013, 12:03:04 PM
This is how stupid rumors get started.
Here's exactly what was posted re: Buzz and LW not talking. Please what shred of credibility I'm failing to find here:
"I don't understand why Marquette would hire an athletic director like Williams. Our basketball program has put this university on the map. Buzz may take some risks with some kids, but he helps make them into fine young men. Isn't that part of Marquette's mission? Buzz is a wonderful person, and he cares deeply about his kids. The arrogance that some from Notre Dame have isn't something we need incorporated at Marquette. I hope the rumors I have heard regarding our AD aren't true. Supposedly he hasn't communicated with Buzz for months. If so, sad! If Buzz leaves this program because of the ideas of our new AD, I will not continue to support the program until we get a new AD. Like I said, I hope this is just rumors."
So, basically, someone on one message board starts a rumor, stating it is, in fact, a rumor. Then someone here takes it and passes it along as perhaps more than a rumor (ignoring the fact that the originator said it was rumor and the general tone of that post was plainly stupid.
To entertain for even a millisecond the idea that amid all the conference realignment/C&/New Big East stuff Buzz and Larry haven't spoken is dumb beyond words.
I said I read it on Dodds board and then added, "I have no idea if that is correct."
I was asking for insight on a rumor. I further stated that I am familiar with rumor mills as that is the #1 preoccupation of guys deployed to the war. And given my experience with rumor mills there is usually a kernel of truth in there somewhere.
I made it clear I have no first hand knowledge of any rift between the AD and Buzz. I was asking someone with access to both if that was correct. How is that a problem?
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on March 04, 2013, 02:01:28 PM
I disagree.
It HAS been overblown.
For somebody to say LW and BW are having "growing pains" seems reasonable and is probably accurate.
To say that they haven' talked in 6mo. is entirely overblown.
To say that LW isn't smart because he was in the NFL is overblown.
To say that BW is on a "one year deal" and leaving after this season is overblown.
The entire topic is overblown.
Also, I'm a huge BW fan, and I loved the interview that he just did on Jim Rome. He does a really nice job representing MU and is very likable.
Great post. Disregarding the "rumors", we KNOW they have talked in the last 6 months.
But it is just the same few people perpetuating this for attention and turning every other thread into their perception of "the rift".
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2013, 02:31:38 PM
Right on, Lenny. We definitely are getting close to kicking the door in.
I think Buzz has us on the verge. I hope he is given the chance to cash it in.
Cord's wife and Crean's wife were damn charity sisters. We obviously don't have that level of family feel on the basketball side but whatever, ultimately da proof will be in da puddin this off season.
We are closet we have been in 35 years and watered down college ball makes the job even easier. Let's hope we see the results we want.
Quote from: keefe on March 04, 2013, 02:39:18 PM
. I was asking someone with access to both if that was correct. How is that a problem?
How do you know that? What access did you assume?