Why does Georgetown struggle to get crowd's to come to the games?
After 16 games, they are average attendance is 10,282
11/11/12 DUQUESNE W 61-55 8213
11/14/12 LIBERTY W 68-59 6743
11/24/12 MOUNT W 72-50 7467
11/30/12 Tennessee W 37-36 13656
12/8/12 TOWSON W 46-40 8322
12/10/12 LONGWOOD W 89-53 5283
12/15/12 WESTERN CAROLINA W 81-68 7341
12/22/12 AMERICAN W 65-48 9867
01/08/13 PITTSBURGH L 45-73 13011
01/16/13 PROVIDENCE W 74-65 9210
01/26/13 LOUISVILLE W 53-51 17474
01/30/13 SETON HALL W 74-52 7567
02/02/13 ST. JOHN'S W 68-56 15625
02/11/13 MARQUETTE W 63-55 11821
02/20/13 DEPAUL W 90-66 9987
03/03/13 RUTGERS W 64-51 12931
03/10/13 Syracuse
I know they share the arena with a NBA & NHL team. I know you have Maryland in the area, plus GW & George Mason.
Only 11,000+ on Big Monday versus Marquette as both team's were ranked. ::)
According to GT fans its because the student body there is more studious and they have lots of internships.
This just shocks me as G'town can be a #1 seed in the tourney. What will the numbers be if G'town has an off season. This is the great power? For some reason MU attendance will a bit down and MU still had over 15,000+ for the season.
Look at the opponent. And, look at the day of the week. That should help some. That imo are the biggest factors. Around the country, many fans aren't going to pay to see certain opponents, or will pay and not go. The day of the week also matters. Early week games won't draw as much, only offset some by a big name opponent. Also a small factor, is that they scored only 37 points in their first big home game this year, and lost by 28 points in their first home league game. And of course, throw in the competition of other things to do in the area, getting to games, and cost of tickets. Another thing to consider is technology. It's also a competing factor for people's time.
Quote from: reinko on March 03, 2013, 07:59:47 AM
According to GT fans its because the student body there is more studious and they have lots of internships.
Seriously, their undergrad enrollment is 7590 versus 12,000 for MU. They also play on the other side of town from their campus making it a pain to get too ... Think DePaul.
So, you cannot expect big student support. The don't have the numbers and its hard to get too.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 03, 2013, 08:10:44 AM
Seriously, their undergrad enrollment is 7590 versus 12,000 for MU. They also play on the other side of town from their campus making it a pain to get too ... Think DePaul.
So, you cannot expect big student support. The don't have the numbers and its hard to get too.
Undergrad at MU is 8,293
http://www.marquette.edu/about/studentdemo.shtml
Also, their arena situation is not difficult to get to. It's 3.5 miles from campus to the Verizon Center which is centrally located downtown, only 3 metro stops away from DuPont (where the campus shuttle bus constantly runs), and the Metro station is underneath the arena so you don't even have to walk outside.
That is nothing like DePaul, which is 15 miles away, out in the middle of nowhere, with no good public transportation options.
Quote from: Litehouse on March 03, 2013, 08:30:50 AM
Undergrad at MU is 8,293
http://www.marquette.edu/about/studentdemo.shtml
Also, their arena situation is not difficult to get to. It's 3.5 miles from campus to the Verizon Center which is centrally located downtown, only 3 metro stops away from DuPont (where the campus shuttle bus constantly runs), and the Metro station is underneath the arena so you don't even have to walk outside.
That is nothing like DePaul, which is 15 miles away, out in the middle of nowhere, with no good public transportation options.
Correct about the undergrad for MU ... 12,000 was total enrollment (I read the wrong line).
But most GU students groan that the Verizon center is three metro stops away. That is too far for them. the BC is a 10 minute walk ... The same distance as an on campus arena at many large state universities.
Attendance numbers are always tickets sold, so the 5,283 for Longwood is likely their season ticket base. Everything else is probably individual game sales or multi-game package deals. They draw big crowds for big games, but they seem to have a much smaller core group of season-ticket holder fans than we do.
Just throwing some thoughts out there but maybe the shuttle bus doesnt run frequently or maybe students dont know about it. Maybe the concentration of Gtown alums is not in the DC area. Does Verizon center, for whatever reason, charge outrageously high prices?
In any case, Im not sure I buy the 'we're too studious for sports' story. I would put schools like Syracuse, UCLA, and Duke on (roughly) equal footing academically with Gtown and their students seem to show up when their respective teams are doing well.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 03, 2013, 08:37:02 AM
Correct about the undergrad for MU ... 12,000 was total enrollment (I read the wrong line).
But most GU students groan that the Verizon center is three metro stops away. That is too far for them. the BC is a 10 minute walk ... The same distance as an on campus arena at many large state universities.
It's not as convenient as the Bradley Center, but it's nothing like DePaul. However, like I just put in another post, their season-ticket holder base appears to be much smaller than ours, so it really isn't the students that's the difference. Our average attendance is 5,000 more than theirs. We don't have an extra 5,000 students that show up for games.
While we don't have a noticeably bigger student body, their student body section is virtually non existent. I was there for the Marquette game and the game against Rutgers last night and both times I've been shocked at how small it is...we're talking a couple hundred if that.
Marquette lowest crowd this season was game #2, 11/13/12 SE LOUISIANA 64-53- 12,587.
I know Marquette gets alums driving up from Chicago for games. I wonder how many Georgetown alums are within 2 hours of DC...
Quote from: Litehouse on March 03, 2013, 08:30:50 AM
Undergrad at MU is 8,293
http://www.marquette.edu/about/studentdemo.shtml
Also, their arena situation is not difficult to get to. It's 3.5 miles from campus to the Verizon Center which is centrally located downtown, only 3 metro stops away from DuPont (where the campus shuttle bus constantly runs), and the Metro station is underneath the arena so you don't even have to walk outside.
That is nothing like DePaul, which is 15 miles away, out in the middle of nowhere, with no good public transportation options.
This was covered pretty in depth after the Georgetown came in another thread, I just suck at searching, and can't find it.
According to Georgetown fans the shuttle doesn't run that often, also for week night games the traffic on M St NW is ridiculous so it takes forever just to get to the metro. I don't know if Georgetown students get any kind of discount for the metro but as a poor college student I always appreciated that getting to MU games by shuttle or the short walk was free. I still think that they can make it but I understand the logistical problems after living in this city for over 6 years, I avoid Georgetown at all costs.
I'm not sure what the exact number is but Georgetown also doesn't fill up as much because they don't draw 60% of their students from the surrounding area. This really helps Marquette with alumni attendance and ticket sales since if you are from the area you are more likely to stay in the area, where as Georgetown alumni move back to where they originally came from. So if the students aren't coming out in force they do not have the alumni to fall back on. The alumni that I do know that are in the area live way out in the burbs, outside the beltway, and if you are out there the chances of them coming in for a weeknight game are slim since the traffic here is asinine. Consider ourselves blessed t be able to get that many people into a pro arena on a regular basis.
On a side note you do have to go outside to enter the Verizon Center. The Chinatown/Gallery Place metro station is under the Verizon Center but there is no direct access. The entrances, if they are open for that game, on the F St side are close. But this should not be an issue since there are schools like Marquette whose winter is much colder and the students walk all the way.
So, the traffic is bad. I got it.
Why does Capitals sell-out every game?
Let's just face it. We're better fans. ;D
D.C. is not a great "college town." Lots of other ways to spend entertainment/sports $$. Plus, not as energetic, loyal student support.
Quote from: mupanther on March 03, 2013, 10:17:07 AM
So, the traffic is bad. I got it.
Why does Capitals sell-out every game?
MU82 hit it on the head. This is a pro sports town and a bandwagon town. As soon as the Capitals are not good, like the Wizards, no one will come.
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on March 03, 2013, 09:46:01 AM
While we don't have a noticeably bigger student body, their student body section is virtually non existent. I was there for the Marquette game and the game against Rutgers last night and both times I've been shocked at how small it is...we're talking a couple hundred if that.
GU students are on spring break this week.
Quote from: mupanther on March 03, 2013, 07:59:22 AM
I know they share the arena with a NBA & NHL team. I know you have Maryland in the area, plus GW & George Mason.
Only 11,000+ on Big Monday versus Marquette as both team's were ranked. ::)
There is zero cross over between Gtown and the Terps, GMU, GW, Catholic, American, etc...
Quote from: MUMonster03 on March 03, 2013, 10:29:36 AM
MU82 hit it on the head. This is a pro sports town and a bandwagon town. As soon as the Capitals are not good, like the Wizards, no one will come.
The same could be said for Milwaukee. The fact is that Marquette has great support that few programs can match.
How far is the arena that Creighton plays in from their campus?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 03, 2013, 11:14:53 AM
How far is the arena that Creighton plays in from their campus?
According to Google maps it's a little less than a mile, similar to MU and the BC.
Quote from: keefe on March 03, 2013, 10:49:43 AM
There is zero cross over between Gtown and the Terps, GMU, GW, Catholic, American, etc...
You know this how? GW is in DC. Maryland plays once a year at the Verizon Center.
Unlike MU where many students come from WI & Chicago, most of GT's student body does not come from close proximity to DC. Just like the Milwaukee fans that have no affiliation with MU, they choose to support the state school rather than the local private school.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 03, 2013, 08:10:44 AM
They also play on the other side of town from their campus making it a pain to get too ... Think DePaul.
It's couple of Metro stops! No comparison with DePaul.
Quote from: bradley center bat on March 03, 2013, 11:45:03 AM
You know this how? GW is in DC. Maryland plays once a year at the Verizon Center.
My father was a fighter pilot so we moved around the world but DC was our most common stopping ground. I also lived there as an adult. There were several MU grads in DC in the late 80's and we used to go to see GT play all the time. Always walked up and got tickets. This was when the BE was ridiculous and included games against SU, St Johns when Lou was there, Nova under Rollie, SHU under PJ, PC under Pitino. Today's bottom feeders were ranked powers.
GU has always refused to play the Terps, especially when Lefty was the coach, so there has always been animosity between the communities. Nobody at GU gives a seconds thought to the other schools - GW, AU, Catholic, GMU, JMU, etc.. A Terp would never go to see GT and vice versa.