That's what I'm hearing.
Yeah, though this was actually under the table reported about 4 months ago. Delaney is a UNC grad and wants his alma mater badly in the Big Ten. Virginia is the other one supposedly.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 20, 2013, 10:27:19 AM
Yeah, though this was actually under the table reported about 4 months ago. Delaney is a UNC grad and wants his alma mater badly in the Big Ten. Virginia is the other one supposedly.
I am hearing team 2 is Georgia Tech. Can't get Virginia without taking the bastard little brother Va Tech....
Quote from: indeelaw90 on February 20, 2013, 12:46:36 PM
I am hearing team 2 is Georgia Tech. Can't get Virginia without taking the bastard little brother Va Tech....
Yeah, Ga Tech was a very hot rumor before their bowl game and then it kind of died down. Who knows...the whole thing is sad to me.
I hope this happens. The end is near for the ACC as we know it. Duke was ok under Bill Foster. In fact, Marquette and Duke had some great battles back in the day. They hit the jackpot under The Captain. Without the ACC they should settle back into their traditional place as a solid if not spectacular program.
Quote from: keefe on February 23, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
I hope this happens. The end is near for the ACC as we know it. Duke was ok under Bill Foster. In fact, Marquette and Duke had some great battles back in the day. They hit the jackpot under The Captain. Without the ACC they should settle back into their traditional place as a solid if not spectacular program.
With the 25 year run they have had and the money down there, I cannot see them allowing themselves to settle back in. They won't make the mistake MU made when Coach K retires...they will go hard at one of the top guys out there.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 23, 2013, 10:16:32 PM
With the 25 year run they have had and the money down there, I cannot see them allowing themselves to settle back in. They won't make the mistake MU made when Coach K retires...they will go hard at one of the top guys out there.
CTC to Duke?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 23, 2013, 10:16:32 PM
With the 25 year run they have had and the money down there, I cannot see them allowing themselves to settle back in. They won't make the mistake MU made when Coach K retires...they will go hard at one of the top guys out there.
They'll go inside the family. Coach K will make sure of it.
UNC and Duke are a team. You can't have one without the other. The ACC will live as long as they have the best rivalry in college basketball.
That's not true. UNC and Duke aren't joined at the hip with this stuff.
They make too much money from the rivalry alone. They will never give that up unless one of them gets a deal like Texas or Notre Dame football.
That is simply not true. They don't make that much money off of the rivalry that they can turn down something substantial. If anything, UNC's fate is tied to NC State's for political reasons. I think the issue are the exit fees and are going to see how Maryland's are resolved.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 02, 2013, 04:02:33 PM
UNC and Duke are a team. You can't have one without the other. The ACC will live as long as they have the best rivalry in college basketball.
This is simply incorrect. UNC is far more closely tied to NC State than they are to Duke. It's a nice notion that the rivalry would keep them together, but it flies in the face of reality.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 02, 2013, 04:44:54 PM
This is simply incorrect. UNC is far more closely tied to NC State than they are to Duke. It's a nice notion that the rivalry would keep them together, but it flies in the face of reality.
Please explain more.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 02, 2013, 04:47:57 PM
Please explain more.
If UNC gets a windfall offer, and leaves NC State behind in a significantly weakened ACC, North Carolina politicians, including the governing board that oversees both schools, might balk and force UNC to stay.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 02, 2013, 04:51:10 PM
If UNC gets a windfall offer, and leaves NC State behind in a significantly weakened ACC, North Carolina politicians, including the governing board that oversees both schools, might balk and force UNC to stay.
Not true.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 02, 2013, 04:51:10 PM
If UNC gets a windfall offer, and leaves NC State behind in a significantly weakened ACC, North Carolina politicians, including the governing board that oversees both schools, might balk and force UNC to stay.
That doesn't make any sense. I know State is a publicly funded school, but UNC will not leave the state and money talks. The more money UNC makes, the more the state of North Carolina gets. UNC, Duke tandem makes for more consistent profits wherever they end up.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 02, 2013, 05:18:27 PM
That doesn't make any sense. I know State is a publicly funded school, but UNC will not leave the state and money talks. The more money UNC makes, the more the state of North Carolina gets. UNC, Duke tandem makes for more consistent profits wherever they end up.
UNC doesn't ultimately determine its own fate. The same governing board that oversees them also oversees NC State, and it is in their best interests to treat the schools fairly. That board will at least be skeptical about the move and will require UNC to make a pretty good case.
And I'm not exactly sure what "profits" that UNC gets from its match up with Duke that it wouldn't replicate elsewhere.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 02, 2013, 06:35:53 PM
UNC doesn't ultimately determine its own fate. The same governing board that oversees them also oversees NC State, and it is in their best interests to treat the schools fairly. That board will at least be skeptical about the move and will require UNC to make a pretty good case.
And I'm not exactly sure what "profits" that UNC gets from its match up with Duke that it wouldn't replicate elsewhere.
We're really debating about "spilled milk". Neither team is leaving the ACC (UNC/Duke) because they are the face of the franchise and have a good thing going.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 03, 2013, 01:19:12 AM
We're really debating about "spilled milk". Neither team is leaving the ACC (UNC/Duke) because they are the face of the franchise and have a good thing going.
Your argument is wrong ...
UNC makes around 17 million a year in the ACC. They would make 25 to 30 million a year in the B1G.
To channel my inner Don King (when convincing Mike Tyson to fight again) ... Jim Delaney (B1G commissioner) calls the AD of UNC to a meeting and in the room is a giant pile of 10 million in cash. It is about the size of a Camry. Delaney tells the AD he can have one if these every year or he can play Duke in Basketball ... The decision is his.
Now here's the answer ... If the AD of UNC says no, he is fired and all subsequent ADs will be fired until one says yes.
The catch ... The $50 million exit fee. Maryland is litigating that and if they win (and greatly reduce the exit fee) it's over. Mass exodus from the ACC and the schools leaving are replaced with BE and CUSA football schools. The ACC lives on but as a much crappier conference ... Plus Duke.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 03, 2013, 01:19:12 AM
We're really debating about "spilled milk". Neither team is leaving the ACC (UNC/Duke) because they are the face of the franchise and have a good thing going.
As Sultan said, it all has to do with politics. Duke as a private institution has no real support from the state legislation, whereas NC State does. Their legislature is invested in the success of both UNC and NC State because they are both public. Even still, if there's a chance NC State can get into the SEC (and I'd say that's a strong possibility) they will let UNC go.
As nice as the college basketball rivalry is, you are deluded if you really think college basketball has anything to do with UNC's conference relocation possibilities. I know it's North Carolina, I know how big basketball is there, and it still pales to the 50,000+ that come to Kenan Stadium to watch the football team every week.
It doesn't matter if it's Wisconsin, Indiana, North Carolina, Kentucky, California, Pennsylvania, or any other state. Football is driving the bus. The ONLY place that isn't true is in conferences without football teams. Look at the attendance numbers for schools like UNC, Kentucky, and Indiana where people might think basketball drives the bus and look at how they still draw well over 40,000 every week and look at the television ratings of the bad football teams and it'll start to make sense.
The UNC/Duke basketball rivalry is insignificant when it comes to conference realignment. Absolutely insignificant. It is a pebble on the realignment superhighway. They can play a non-con game every year and at the end of the day no one will care. That's just the reality of the situation.
To put numbers behind brew's post, last year's Duke / UNC game...the one that Duke won on a last second Rivers' shot...got a 1.2 rating on ESPN. In 2012-13, almost all of ESPN Thursday night college football games exceeded that figure - until the NFL kicked off its Thursday night schedule.
Duke / UNC is a great rivalry, but it has been hyped up WAAYYY more than it deserves by ESPN.
Everybody in NC hates Duke. It's the one thing all the UNC and State fans can agree on. There are more ECU fans in NC than Duke fans, and most Duke alum leave the state after graduation. If UNC could go to the Big Teen, and NC State could go to the SEC, they'd both do it and not look back. The fact they could screw over Duke in the process by leaving them behind would be an added bonus.
UNC could play Duke in a non-conference game every year and keep the rivalry alive.
A rivalry doesn't stay alive if a team leaves. Carolina will not leave ACC to lose all its power to Indiana! Won't happen.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 07, 2013, 05:56:04 AM
A rivalry doesn't stay alive if a team leaves. Carolina will not leave ACC to lose all its power to Indiana! Won't happen.
You seem to not really have much idea why conference realignments are happening. It is about money, money, and most of all, money.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 07, 2013, 05:56:04 AM
A rivalry doesn't stay alive if a team leaves. Carolina will not leave ACC to lose all its power to Indiana! Won't happen.
Who says Indiana has "all the power" in the Big Ten? All the power in a mixed conference (football and basketball) is with the powerful football schools. Look at the Old Big East for case in point.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 07, 2013, 08:36:04 AM
You seem to not really have much idea why conference realignments are happening. It is about money, money, and most of all, money.
Realignments of all non major schools. There will be no Indianas, Carolina's, Dukes, Kentuckys, UCLAs, or Kansas going anywhere. If we knew half of the shady actions these schools get away with because of their power and prestige within their conference, our head would explode. No amount of money is worth that lose.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 02, 2013, 04:02:33 PM
UNC and Duke are a team. You can't have one without the other. The ACC will live as long as they have the best rivalry in college basketball.
Foolish logic. Football controls this. Not basketball.
Duke and UNC could easily schedule a Non Con every year to keep the rivalry going.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on March 07, 2013, 12:32:11 PM
Realignments of all non major schools. There will be no Indianas, Carolina's, Dukes, Kentuckys, UCLAs, or Kansas going anywhere. If we knew half of the shady actions these schools get away with because of their power and prestige within their conference, our head would explode. No amount of money is worth that lose.
Texas A&M and Nebraska are certainly major schools and both of them moved.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 07, 2013, 12:58:55 PM
Texas A&M and Nebraska are certainly major schools and both of them moved.
I'd add Mizzou and Maryland to that list as well
Quote from: LAZER on March 07, 2013, 01:05:29 PM
I'd add Mizzou and Maryland to that list as well
Nebraska and Colorado too
Quote from: Abode4life on March 07, 2013, 09:29:08 AM
Who says Indiana has "all the power" in the Big Ten? All the power in a mixed conference (football and basketball) is with the powerful football schools. Look at the Old Big East for case in point.
Correct ... Michigan and
The Ohio State University run the B1G. Indiana sits in row two at all the meetings run by these two schools. Indiana does not have to vote because they are expected to agree with whatever Michigan and
The Ohio State decide is in the best interest for the conference. They vote only to make it look good.
This is how the power structure works.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 07, 2013, 03:29:30 PM
Correct ... Michigan and The Ohio State University run the B1G. Indiana sits in row two at all the meetings run by these two schools. Indiana does not have to vote because they are expected to agree with whatever Michigan and The Ohio State decide is in the best interest for the conference. They vote only to make it look good.
This is how the power structure works.
Sorry, forgot about Ohio State. These schools I've named, they don't come to you, you come to them.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 07, 2013, 03:29:30 PM
Correct ... Michigan and The Ohio State University run the B1G. Indiana sits in row two at all the meetings run by these two schools. Indiana does not have to vote because they are expected to agree with whatever Michigan and The Ohio State decide is in the best interest for the conference. They vote only to make it look good.
This is how the power structure works.
You are correct, sir. Despite antipathy between the alumni these two departments act in concert for their mutual benefit. When Michigan or Ohio sneeze Indiana catches pneumonia.
Quote from: keefe on March 08, 2013, 10:29:56 PM
You are correct, sir. Despite antipathy between the alumni these two departments act in concert for their mutual benefit. When Michigan or Ohio sneeze Indiana catches pneumonia.
Depends on the program.
IU's business school is ranked behind Michigan, but ahead of Ohio State
IU's journalism school ranked ahead of both
IU's law school ranked ahead of OSU and behind Michigan
Just a few examples...we'll try not to catch pneumonia, or even a cold. ::)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2013, 11:16:36 PM
Depends on the program.
IU's business school is ranked behind Michigan, but ahead of Ohio State
IU's journalism school ranked ahead of both
IU's law school ranked ahead of OSU and behind Michigan
Just a few examples...we'll try not to catch pneumonia, or even a cold. ::)
I hear those guys supposedly doing the rankings give them to their assistants to fill out :)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2013, 11:16:36 PM
Depends on the program.
IU's business school is ranked behind Michigan, but ahead of Ohio State
IU's journalism school ranked ahead of both
IU's law school ranked ahead of OSU and behind Michigan
Just a few examples...we'll try not to catch pneumonia, or even a cold. ::)
My comment had nothing to do with academics. It was 100% about athletics. If it were about academics I would put Northwestern well ahead of Ohio.
And all others in the Big Ten.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 09, 2013, 04:54:23 AM
And all others in the Big Ten.
Indeed. Followed somewhat closely by Michigan. Then, in a FAR distant third is everybody else.
Wisconsin actually has a larger athletic department than Michigan in terms of budget. Penn State is just a hair behind Michigan.
Does IU have as much weight as UM, OSU, UW or PSU? Nope. No disputing that. Neither does Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue and Illinois.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 09, 2013, 04:54:23 AM
And all others in the Big Ten.
You mean other than the University of Wisconsin, of course. You know, the Harvard of the Midwest and all.