Does a top-3 finished in the BE lock up a BE coach of the year award for Buzz? Does winning the BE make him a favorite for the national award?
Buzz and JT3 may come down to who finishes better. Maybe pitino if UL wins out and snags the conference
it was only 20 minutes ago when most of you guys were saying how bad of a coach buzz was and how he cant close out halfs
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 19, 2013, 07:37:46 PM
Buzz and JT3 may come down to who finishes better. Maybe pitino if UL wins out and snags the conference
Could be. How many coaches lose 2 NBA draft picks, add a freshman who plays limited minutes and stays in contention for the league title?
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on February 19, 2013, 07:39:46 PM
it was only 20 minutes ago when most of you guys were saying how bad of a coach buzz was and how he cant close out halfs
Why don't you reread my posting history
Don't put words in my mouth you piece of crap.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 19, 2013, 07:41:43 PM
Don't put words in my mouth you piece of crap.
I was referring to others not you. Lighten up!!!
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 19, 2013, 07:41:43 PM
Don't put words in my mouth you piece of crap.
Forget him/her/it
I think buzz has a legitimate shot at national honors
Larranaga
During the @USF game, LaPhonso Ellis had said Buzz had his vote for BE COY at that point. If we get at least a share of the regular season title he should be a no-brainer.
Personal affinity aside, I would vote for Buzz over JT3 simply because Buzz doesn't have JT2 to critique all of his decisions.
Heath stole one last year when Buzz should have gotten a look.
I think it's a definite he gets it this year.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 19, 2013, 07:41:43 PM
Don't put words in my mouth you piece of crap.
HaywardsHeroes32
Remember, this is the same f***ing bozo troll who
claims the board is "better when we lose."
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on February 19, 2013, 07:57:59 PM
Heath stole one last year when Buzz should have gotten a look.
I think it's a definite he gets it this year*
* If we finish 14-4 or better. Still work to be done.
Buzz should get serious consideration
He should be a lock... taking a team nobody was looking to be anything but middle -of-the-pack and in a rebuilding year to vie for the BE title. Gotta be the frontrunner right now. Let's see how we finish out
Unless UConn or Pitt have an unbelievable finish, it's a two horse race between Buzz and JT3.
Season's not over yet...
BUT (just for shits and grins), if the voting were taking place today I'd think Buzz would have the edge over JT3.
Fingers crossed we can keep rolling!
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 19, 2013, 08:29:21 PM
Unless UConn or Pitt have an unbelievable finish, it's a two horse race between Buzz and JT3.
Hard to see a postseason-ineligible coach take the honors. I agree. I think it's between Buzz and that Georgetown guy
Quote from: lab_warrior on February 19, 2013, 08:13:07 PM
HaywardsHeroes32
Remember, this is the same f***ing bozo troll who
claims the board is "better when we lose."
Yah, kw can be a piece of work, but there were a few on the game thread who would have had you believing we were nit bound. Gotta remember, the game is two 20 minute halves.
Buzz is a great candidate for coy....depending on how strong we finish.
Is the award given out at the end of the reg season or after the BE tourney?
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 19, 2013, 08:34:33 PM
Yah, kw can be a piece of work, but there were a few on the game thread who would have had you believing we were nit bound. Gotta remember, the game is two 20 minute halves.
Buzz is a great candidate for coy....depending on how strong we finish.
Is the award given out at the end of the reg season or after the BE tourney?
Exaggeration, no?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on February 19, 2013, 08:39:23 PM
Exaggeration, no?
Maybe a little overstated. First half deserved criticism, but the sky was not falling. Thats all.
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on February 19, 2013, 07:40:45 PM
Could be. How many coaches lose 2 NBA draft picks, add a freshman who plays limited minutes and stays in contention for the league title?
John Calipari seems to do it every year.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 19, 2013, 09:26:35 PM
John Calipari seems to do it every year.
Not this year, even with his unlimited budget.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 19, 2013, 09:26:35 PM
John Calipari seems to do it every year.
His Freshmen don't play limited minutes
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on February 19, 2013, 08:31:20 PM
Hard to see a postseason-ineligible coach take the honors. I agree. I think it's between Buzz and that Georgetown guy
Bill O'Brien says hi. Though Ollie didn't walk into half the hell; probably his only shot is winning out.
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on February 19, 2013, 07:40:45 PM
Could be. How many coaches lose 2 NBA draft picks, add a freshman who plays limited minutes and stays in contention for the league title?
LOL. How many PROGRAMS lose a HoF coach, 2 underclassman lottery picks and a couple of transfers due to an APR violation that the current coach had no part of?????
OR--
A coach that lost 2 underclassmen to the NBA draft (one being a lottery pick) and 4 of 5 players that were on the court last year to close out games but no longer are around due to graduation and early entry to the nba (Fab, Joseph, Waiters, Scoop)?
Quote from: chapman on February 19, 2013, 09:41:46 PM
Bill O'Brien says hi. Though Ollie didn't walk into half the hell; probably his only shot is winning out.
Just what I was thinking, though looking ath their schedule, winning out may not be as far fetched as it sounds. If they did, he'd have my vote.
Quote from: Warriors10 on February 19, 2013, 07:53:42 PM
Damn. I didn't know they came back to the BE.
I believe Larranaga was a response to national honors as mentioned in the previous post. And yes, barring a complete fade, that would be my guess, too. Crean will get plenty of support, BTW.
As for Big East honors, I'd agree that it's probably between Buzz and JT3. In preseason coach poll, GT was picked to finish 5th and we were picked for 7th (as usual).
I think if we end up winning 13 Big East games Buzz definitely deserves to be the Coach of the Year.
Not one mention of Pitino or Boeheim?? Funny, because one of them stands a greater chance than Buzz.
For national it will be Larranaga. God I hope so.
ABC, ABC, ABC (Anyone But Crean!)
If season ended today it would be hard to vote against Buzz. The guy makes the most of what he has and they play hard every night for the most part.
Quote from: Goose on February 20, 2013, 06:31:37 AM
If season ended today it would be hard to vote against Buzz. The guy makes the most of what he has and they play hard every night for the most part.
It would be hard to vote against Buzz except that Miami is playing out of its mind.
Who votes for BE COY? Is it the coaches or media?
Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2013, 09:45:19 PM
As for Big East honors, I'd agree that it's probably between Buzz and JT3. In preseason coach poll, GT was picked to finish 5th and we were picked for 7th (as usual).
I'm sure some Scooper knows this, but has Buzz ever underperformed pre-season expectations? Maybe his first season when he inherited the Three Amigos and Dom got injured? Seems like every single year MU is picked middle of the pack and ever single year he has us fighting for the double bye.
Quote from: keefe on February 20, 2013, 02:38:24 AM
Not one mention of Pitino or Boeheim?? Funny, because one of them stands a greater chance than Buzz.
For national it will be Larranaga. God I hope so.
ABC, ABC, ABC (Anyone But Crean!)
Boeheim didn't get it last year when Cuse dominated the conference. Heath, who finished fifth, took it.
There's something in there about achievement relative to expectation.
I think Buzz gets BE coach of the year if we finish in top 2 in conference.
If Miami continues and gets a 1 seed in the tournament IMO Larranaga gets the national award easily with some others, possibly Buzz getting some votes.
Crean may get some national votes but they were expected to be good and had the talent there to be as good as they are so the coaches who did more with less will probably get more of the votes.
Lots of candidates for national COY. Larranga is the obvious choice at the moment, but Mark Few, Buzz, Bo, Crean, JT3...Jim Crews might actually get my vote if they keep doing what they've been doing...plenty to shake out over the next couple weeks.
Quote from: MUMonster03 on February 20, 2013, 09:22:32 AM
Crean may get some national votes but they were expected to be good and had the talent there to be as good as they are so the coaches who did more with less will probably get more of the votes.
IU was the preseason #1. They were expected to be good.
Right now, national COY is Larranga.
1-2-3-4-5 : hatch-hatch-hatch-hatch-ohsh!t
We were pegged as 7th-8th with lots of unproven talent. Media thought we would be in the bottom half. We assumed our best player was a transfer from a weaker conference. The two players, who basically made up the entire 11-12 team, went on to the NBA. We lost a couple players before the season started, one of which was a proven contributor. This site thought we were having a rebuilding year.
Currently we're in 1st.
I'd say that's COY worthy.
I didn't know whether the history has been to award coaches who have have low pre-season expectations, but outperform, or whether to award elite-level coaches who do what is expected.
It looks like there is no set pattern. Here are the AP and Naismith winners for the last 10 years. The coaches typically fall into two categories: A strong performing team from a lower-performing conference (labelled "Unknown"). Or a coach of a #1 or #2 seeded team from a BCS-level conference (for lack of a better term, I've labelled these "Elite").
| Year | AP | Category |
| 2003 | Tubby Smith, Kentucky | Elite |
| 2004 | Phil Martelli, Saint Joseph's | Unexpected |
| 2005 | Tubby Smith, Kentucky | Elite |
| 2006 | Roy Williams, North Carolina | Elite |
| 2007 | Tony Bennett, Washington State | Unexpected |
| 2008 | Keno Davis, Drake | Unexpected |
| 2009 | Bill Self, Kansas | Elite |
| 2010 | Jim Boeheim, Syracuse | Elite |
| 2011 | Mike Brey, Notre Dame | Elite |
| 2012 | Frank Haith, Missouri | Elite |
| Year | Naismith | Category | | 2003 | Tubby Smith, Kentucky | Elite | | 2004 | Phil Martelli, Saint Joseph's | Unexpected | | 2005 | Bruce Weber, Illinois | Elite | | 2006 | Jay Wright, Villanova | Elite | | 2007 | Tony Bennett, Washington State | Unexpected | | 2008 | John Calipari (2), Memphis | Elite | | 2009 | Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh | Elite | | 2010 | Jim Boeheim*, Syracuse | Elite | | 2011 | Steve Fisher, San Diego State | Unexpected | | 2012 | Bill Self, Kansas | Elite |
Big Time coaches who lead teams to #1 or #2 seeds win nearly 3/4 of the time, so I have to think that if the awards were picked today, the short list of most likely winners would include Izzo, Crean, Boeheim, Donovan, Kryszewski--maybe Beilein and Self.
For the rest, right now, Larranga has got to be the hand-down favorite for the "unexpected" vote. He's a nice guy, been around a long time, and bringing success to a place where nobody would have expected it.
Mark Few presents is an interesting case. Might be considered in any other year, but I have to think the anti-elite vote this year is going to Larranaga.
Buzz is probably stuck between these two. Nobody has us as a #1 or #2 seed yet, so he probably woudn't get the same consideration as Brey, Wright or Dixon have in the past. And even with a #2 seed, I think a lot of people looked at Brey getting the AP award and went "huh?".
On the other hand, we're too big a program to get the type of consideration that Martelli, Bennett, Fisher or Keno Davis got. Buzz doesn't have the recruitng challenges that you have at St. Joseph, Washington State, San Diego State or Drake.
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BE COY goes to the coach who has exceeded expectations the most. It's a 2 horse race between JT3 and Buzz. Who ever finishes higher will win it. If Whittington hadn't been suspended I would think Buzz could win it if they were a spot or two below JT3 but what JT3 has done missing his second best player is quite impressive.
Assuming MU keeps winning, I think Buzz wins COY, while Porter wins POY.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 20, 2013, 01:11:46 PM
I didn't know whether the history has been to award coaches who have have low pre-season expectations, but outperform, or whether to award elite-level coaches who do what is expected.
It looks like there is no set pattern. Here are the AP and Naismith winners for the last 10 years. The coaches typically fall into two categories: A strong performing team from a lower-performing conference (labelled "Unknown"). Or a coach of a #1 or #2 seeded team from a BCS-level conference (for lack of a better term, I've labelled these "Elite").
| Year | AP | Category |
| 2003 | Tubby Smith, Kentucky | Elite |
| 2004 | Phil Martelli, Saint Joseph's | Unexpected |
| 2005 | Tubby Smith, Kentucky | Elite |
| 2006 | Roy Williams, North Carolina | Elite |
| 2007 | Tony Bennett, Washington State | Unexpected |
| 2008 | Keno Davis, Drake | Unexpected |
| 2009 | Bill Self, Kansas | Elite |
| 2010 | Jim Boeheim, Syracuse | Elite |
| 2011 | Mike Brey, Notre Dame | Elite |
| 2012 | Frank Haith, Missouri | Elite |
| Year | Naismith | Category | | 2003 | Tubby Smith, Kentucky | Elite | | 2004 | Phil Martelli, Saint Joseph's | Unexpected | | 2005 | Bruce Weber, Illinois | Elite | | 2006 | Jay Wright, Villanova | Elite | | 2007 | Tony Bennett, Washington State | Unexpected | | 2008 | John Calipari (2), Memphis | Elite | | 2009 | Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh | Elite | | 2010 | Jim Boeheim*, Syracuse | Elite | | 2011 | Steve Fisher, San Diego State | Unexpected | | 2012 | Bill Self, Kansas | Elite |
Big Time coaches who lead teams to #1 or #2 seeds win nearly 3/4 of the time, so I have to think that if the awards were picked today, the short list of most likely winners would include Izzo, Crean, Boeheim, Donovan, Kryszewski--maybe Beilein and Self.
For the rest, right now, Larranga has got to be the hand-down favorite for the "unexpected" vote. He's a nice guy, been around a long time, and bringing success to a place where nobody would have expected it.
Mark Few presents is an interesting case. Might be considered in any other year, but I have to think the anti-elite vote this year is going to Larranaga.
Buzz is probably stuck between these two. Nobody has us as a #1 or #2 seed yet, so he probably woudn't get the same consideration as Brey, Wright or Dixon have in the past. And even with a #2 seed, I think a lot of people looked at Brey getting the AP award and went "huh?".
On the other hand, we're too big a program to get the type of consideration that Martelli, Bennett, Fisher or Keno Davis got. Buzz doesn't have the recruitng challenges that you have at St. Joseph, Washington State, San Diego State or Drake.
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Well, Miami will likely get a 1 or 2 seed, therefroe falling into your "Elite" category, not "Unexpected" for Larranga.
Quote from: lab_warrior on February 19, 2013, 08:13:07 PM
HaywardsHeroes32
Remember, this is the same f***ing bozo troll who
claims the board is "better when we lose."
Well it is.
Way more pages of info after we lose than when we win.
Lab Warrior=Smug Dick of the year!!
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on February 19, 2013, 07:57:59 PM
Heath stole one last year
Somehow I don't think Stan Heath will be under consideration for that honor this year
Quote from: keefe on February 20, 2013, 03:05:55 PM
Somehow I don't think Stan Heath will be under consideration for that honor this year
Understatement
Quote from: Jajuannaman on February 20, 2013, 01:38:55 PM
Well, Miami will likely get a 1 or 2 seed, therefroe falling into your "Elite" category, not "Unexpected" for Larranga.
Good point.
Still think Buzz would be well behind Izzo, Crean, Beilein, and Donovan--as well as Larranaga--if the vote were held today.