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Title: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: MJS_Says on February 19, 2013, 05:45:09 PM
MU: League rumors not true
               




Newark, N.J. - A Marquette official said Tuesday night that major portions of a Washington Post story about a new league with two divisions of six teams each wasn't true.

               

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/191910991.html
               
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Norm on February 19, 2013, 05:51:15 PM
So, a clash for control between Marquette and Georgetown? No Richmond or Sienna? University of Detroit not ruled out as a possibility? Interesting.....
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2013, 05:57:31 PM
Or Feinstein was just wrong.

"Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, I'm John Feinstein." - John Feinstein
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: ecompt on February 19, 2013, 06:03:30 PM
John is a very good author. His reporting, however, is not quite up to that level.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: keefe on February 19, 2013, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: ecompt on February 19, 2013, 06:03:30 PM
John is a very good author. His reporting, however, is not quite up to that level.

I wrote that in another thread. He and Mitch Albom have left their roots.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Benny B on February 19, 2013, 08:12:46 PM
Quote from: ecompt on February 19, 2013, 06:03:30 PM
John is a very good author. His reporting, however, is not quite up to that level.

I've seen better writing and reporting from Scoopers.... just not necessarily at the same time, either.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 19, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2013, 05:57:31 PM
Or Feinstein was just wrong.

"Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, I'm John Feinstein." - John Feinstein

+1 John Feinstein is just lazy, or maybe just bad.  He talked to his buddy at GU, and some guy in the parking lot,  and made up the rest.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: warriorstrack on February 19, 2013, 08:18:17 PM
I haven't seen any thing Feinstein reported any where else
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 06:59:00 AM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 19, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
+1 John Feinstein is just lazy, or maybe just bad.  He talked to his buddy at GU, and some guy in the parking lot,  and made up the rest.

Feinstein has no sources at GU.  He burned bridges with the school a LONG time ago and loves taking shots at us in his articles.  Like saying we are only involved because everyone else passed, or that we were going to be playing with some 3rd rate basketball schools.

He was probably mad he couldn't get any info so he just made up a bunch of stuff knowing the school would never directly comment on his lies thus giving them an air of legitimacy.  Props for setting the record straight, while allowing us to containing ignoring him.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 20, 2013, 08:26:08 AM
Quote from: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 06:59:00 AM
Feinstein has no sources at GU.  He burned bridges with the school a LONG time ago and loves taking shots at us in his articles.  Like saying we are only involved because everyone else passed, or that we were going to be playing with some 3rd rate basketball schools.

He was probably mad he couldn't get any info so he just made up a bunch of stuff knowing the school would never directly comment on his lies thus giving them an air of legitimacy.  Props for setting the record straight, while allowing us to containing ignoring him.

Nathan, I'm guessing you are a GT fan.  Never underestimate the power of the Jesuit mind to out fox and out think normal people...
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: jsglow on February 20, 2013, 08:38:21 AM
Quote from: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 06:59:00 AM
Feinstein has no sources at GU.  He burned bridges with the school a LONG time ago and loves taking shots at us in his articles.  Like saying we are only involved because everyone else passed, or that we were going to be playing with some 3rd rate basketball schools.

He was probably mad he couldn't get any info so he just made up a bunch of stuff knowing the school would never directly comment on his lies thus giving them an air of legitimacy.  Props for setting the record straight, while allowing us to containing ignoring him.

Welcome to 'scoop and thanks for the GTown perspective.  It's too bad that stories in the Post get some national legs, even if they are complete fabrications.  As soon as I read Siena, I knew it was laughable.  I simply can't imagine our two schools signing onto that.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: jficke13 on February 20, 2013, 08:55:17 AM
Quote from: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 06:59:00 AM
He was probably mad he couldn't get any info so he just made up a bunch of stuff knowing the school would never directly comment on his lies thus giving them an air of legitimacy. 

That's sports journalism 101 in the ESPN/Twitter era. Say some stuff, get your page views, slink into the shadows. Such trivialities as the "truth" or "accuracy" have no place in modern journalism.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on February 20, 2013, 09:00:00 AM
My guess is that MU and Georgetown are very much aligned on this entire thing and MU's comments were made specifically so Georgetown didn't have to say anything (especially if they have had issues with Feinstein in the past).
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 09:37:34 AM
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on February 20, 2013, 09:00:00 AM
My guess is that MU and Georgetown are very much aligned on this entire thing and MU's comments were made specifically so Georgetown didn't have to say anything (especially if they have had issues with Feinstein in the past).


Exactly, I think this league will be incredibly successful because of the level of cooperation between our schools (and the rest of the BE7).

Best of luck the rest of the way.  I'd love nothing more for the last year of real BE basketball to be dominated by a couple of small Jesuit schools
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Benny B on February 20, 2013, 10:21:05 AM
Quote from: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 09:37:34 AM
Exactly, I think this league will be incredibly successful because of the level of cooperation between our schools (and the rest of the BE7).

Best of luck the rest of the way.  I'd love nothing more for the last year of real BE basketball to be dominated by a couple of small Jesuit schools

I've been saying it for years now... as long as Georgetown, Nova and MU stick together, the future bodes well.

Looking forward to an all-(a)Hoya BE championship... one where the "a" team wins, of course.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Mufflers on February 20, 2013, 10:26:56 AM
I want an apology from Wolfley for running with the story that was unreasonable and didn't have sources.  It was irresponsible reporting.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Eight Legger on February 20, 2013, 10:32:38 AM
Interesting that after Hunt's article went up last night originally saying "no Richmond" he quickly changed that within an hour to say "no Detroit." Not sure whether that was just a typo on his part or if after it went up, someone corrected him. From my standpoint, I take the revised article as pretty good news for the Spiders, which echos what we have heard from a few other places here lately.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: Eight Legger on February 20, 2013, 10:32:38 AM
Interesting that after Hunt's article went up last night originally saying "no Richmond" he quickly changed that within an hour to say "no Detroit." Not sure whether that was just a typo on his part or if after it went up, someone corrected him. From my standpoint, I take the revised article as pretty good news for the Spiders, which echos what we have heard from a few other places here lately.

The providence guys seem pretty adamant Richmond isn't in consideration.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Aughnanure on February 20, 2013, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 12:36:52 PM
The providence guys seem pretty adamant Richmond isn't in consideration.

Who are these Providence guys? I'd be real annoyed to have Richmond or Dayton in instead of Creighton.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: lab_warrior on February 20, 2013, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on February 20, 2013, 08:55:17 AM
That's sports journalism 101 in the ESPN/Twitter era. Say some stuff, get your page views, slink into the shadows. Such trivialities as the "truth" or "accuracy" have no place in modern journalism.

100% accurate. 
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 01:48:39 PM
on Friar Talk there are some posters who seem to be well connected with some BE7 decision makers.

I can't speak for the accuracy of the information as I have no contacts! But I'll summarize:

AD's want 10, Fox wants 12.
Butler & X are in.
Creighton, Dayton, and St. Louis appear to be the pecking order for the next 1-3 schools.
No decisions made until separation with BE has decided (name, money, credits, etc)

Richmond, Detroit, Siena, aren't in consideration.  No references to VCU, Gonzaga, Wichita State, UConn, Memphis, Temple, Cinci, UMass, or other schools who have been tossed out as potential candidates.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Groin_pull on February 20, 2013, 01:51:27 PM
Quote from: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 01:48:39 PM
on Friar Talk there are some posters who seem to be well connected with some BE7 decision makers.

I can't speak for the accuracy of the information as I have no contacts! But I'll summarize:

AD's want 10, Fox wants 12.
Butler & X are in.
Creighton, Dayton, and St. Louis appear to be the pecking order for the next 1-3 schools.
No decisions made until separation with BE has decided (name, money, credits, etc)

Richmond, Detroit, Siena, aren't in consideration.  No references to VCU, Gonzaga, Wichita State, UConn, Memphis, Temple, Cinci, UMass, or other schools who have been tossed out as potential candidates.


If Fox wants 12 teams...we'll have 12 teams. Without TV, there is no league.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: tower912 on February 20, 2013, 01:52:15 PM
That all tracks with discussions here.    Fox wants product, AD's want a true round-robin schedule, fewer mouths to feed and flexibility for future expansion.  
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Aughnanure on February 20, 2013, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: nathanhm on February 20, 2013, 01:48:39 PM
on Friar Talk there are some posters who seem to be well connected with some BE7 decision makers.

I can't speak for the accuracy of the information as I have no contacts! But I'll summarize:

AD's want 10, Fox wants 12.
Butler & X are in.
Creighton, Dayton, and St. Louis appear to be the pecking order for the next 1-3 schools.
No decisions made until separation with BE has decided (name, money, credits, etc)

Richmond, Detroit, Siena, aren't in consideration.  No references to VCU, Gonzaga, Wichita State, UConn, Memphis, Temple, Cinci, UMass, or other schools who have been tossed out as potential candidates.

This makes me feel better. There's some Butler guy going into every board's thread saying he was told it is UD, X, Butler, SLU and Richmond.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Aughnanure on February 20, 2013, 03:27:08 PM
Richmond fans getting pissy at Marquette for some reason.

http://richmond.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1099&fid=1577&style=2&tid=162560135&Page=4
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Benny B on February 20, 2013, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: Aughnanure on February 20, 2013, 03:27:08 PM
Richmond fans getting pissy at Marquette for some reason.

http://richmond.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1099&fid=1577&style=2&tid=162560135&Page=4


QuoteDuquense at least brings the Pittsburgh market.  What the heck does Marquette bring to a TV package?

You mean other than the title "defending NCAA Tournament Champion"?

$3M+/year in tournament money.  Or in other words, it puts more money into the conference than it takes from the TV deal. 
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: LAMUfan on February 20, 2013, 03:44:12 PM
Duquense does not bring the Pittsburgh market, that's more like saying Loyola Chicago brings the Chicago market.  Stupid on multiple levels
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2013, 03:50:53 PM
Not worth getting into a pissing match with stupidity.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: LAZER on February 20, 2013, 03:55:35 PM
Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2013, 03:50:53 PM
Not worth getting into a pissing match with stupidity.

You're right, but holy hell is that an easy argument to win.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: We R Final Four on February 20, 2013, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Aughnanure on February 20, 2013, 03:27:08 PM
Richmond fans getting pissy at Marquette for some reason.

http://richmond.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1099&fid=1577&style=2&tid=162560135&Page=4

Yeah, they seeem quite reasonable. ::)

It is great to hear that everyone gets thte joke that is ........Mike Hunt.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: RJax55 on February 20, 2013, 03:59:47 PM
Quote from: LAZER on February 20, 2013, 03:55:35 PM
You're right, but holy hell is that an easy argument to win.

I was kind of hoping that Dayton would be left out the conference, just to see their fan's reactions. But after reading that, I'm switching to Richmond.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: tower912 on February 20, 2013, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: Aughnanure on February 20, 2013, 03:27:08 PM
Richmond fans getting pissy at Marquette for some reason.

http://richmond.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1099&fid=1577&style=2&tid=162560135&Page=4

They are ticked at a jsonline reporter that has annoyed us all, and they are ticked at our AD, who they feel is lobbying through the media.  They are curious what MU brings to the table, but not nearly as curious as we are about what Richmond brings to the table.   So they have a lot in common with us. 
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: Jet915 on February 20, 2013, 04:27:32 PM
Quote from: Aughnanure on February 20, 2013, 01:26:55 PM
Who are these Providence guys? I'd be real annoyed to have Richmond or Dayton in instead of Creighton.

This is exactly what the poster said on the Providence board.  Again, can't vouch if this guy is making stuff up or not but others on the Providence board have said similar things.  He is referring to the Feinstein article.

This article is totally bogus. Any part that has merit is common knowledge at this point anyway.

I did not say Richmond is not on any list anywhere - I said Richmond is not on THE list and I stand by that. Siena is not on the list.

There is no 6 east and 6 west agreement especially for BB. Detroit is not on the list.

Creighton is well thought of and St.L is "on the bubble".

There is no Catholic "rule".

Butler and X are in and they asked in immediately.

Dayton is lobbying every BB 7 President to get in.

It is not true that the listed Presidents have no interest in who is in the league. Father Shanley is involved with BE negotiations etc. on a daily basis along with the Nova President.

AD's want 10 teams and Fox wants 12 The number is not really decided yet and there is no TV contract (just a verbal offer) and tere cannot be one until there is a league to negotiate with. MT is a consultant to PC so there is no grudge there at least with PC and he is semi retired in FLA and probably does not want to return to be Commisioner but has promised (on the record) to do whatever he can to help PC basketball - n ot necessarily the league.

MT was quoted extensively after he "retired" that Bb schools should dump FB ASAP before any of this happened - like 1 1/2 years ago.

As I said mostly BS. I suppose all you have to do is say you got it from an unnamed inside source and then you can print anything.

The big issue right now is how the $80M in the bank gets divided. Once that is settled - or goes to court - the rest of the dominos will fall quickly. Big East name is up in the air because Aresco is trying to hold the $80M hostage.

The $2.5M per year for FB and BB is for 2014/2015. There needs to be a bridge BB TV contract for 2013/2014 in any event - this impacts BB 7 if 2014 is the exit date - which it probably is.

ND went to the ACC because they needed to hook up with one of the leagues that now have major bowl tie ins. BE no longer has major bowl tie in and the "at large" route is shaky. ND gets the major (Orange) bowl over even the ACC playoff winner if they meet certain requirements. FSU and some other major ACC FB schools are VERY unhappy about that.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: 79Warrior on February 20, 2013, 07:47:06 PM
Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2013, 03:50:53 PM
Not worth getting into a pissing match with stupidity.

Really. Like anyone cares what Richmond thinks.
Title: Re: [MJS Blog] MU: League rumors not true
Post by: keefe on February 20, 2013, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 20, 2013, 07:47:06 PM
Really. Like anyone cares what Richmond thinks.

Who is Richmond? Mitch Richmond?
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