Buzz Williams on the rigors of coaching
Sure, a lot of stress and pressure comes with the job, but that is the case with most jobs. And many coaches are hired to be fired, like there is security in any profssion these days. So no one really feels sorry for coaches, who are paid millions for the trouble.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/191590761.html
It comes with wearin' Ferragamos. No one pays you for nothin'.
Pretty sure Buzz is a Gucci guy.
Which is why I strongly believe Buzz' wife would discourage him from taking some mythical 'dream job'. He's building a great thing right here in an environment where a guy named Brent Williams from Van Alstyne, TX might avoid the fatal heart attack at 50 that causes him to miss his kid's graduations and weddings.
Quote from: jsglow on February 17, 2013, 11:35:47 AM
Which is why I strongly believe Buzz' wife would discourage him from taking some mythical 'dream job'. He's building a great thing right here in an environment where a guy named Brent Williams from Van Alstyne, TX might avoid the fatal heart attack at 50 that causes him to miss his kid's graduations and weddings.
That's one way to look at it. Others might say it's easier to get to the top of the mountain elsewhere, with less stress, especially on the recruiting front at one of the big major programs. I know Texas fans are really upset with Barnes and want him out. Another drubbing yesterday. They are now 3-9 in the Big 12 and 11-14 overall. Dodds rewards loyalty and I don't think he will kick Barnes to the curb after this season, but Barnes will need to get it in gear soon.
There will always be college basketball coaching openings everywhere, every year, including in the state of Texas. Either Buzz is interested in moving back to Texas to some mythical "dream job," or he is not.
Marquette is more Butler with Brad Stephens than we are Kentucky or Duke. We just are. So either Coach Buzz is gonna be Mark Few/ Bo Cryin/ Jamie Dixon/Jay Wright and stay where is loved and successful OR he is TC/ Calipari, etc. and will move on.
He knows in his heart what he is and we can't change that. We need to just enjoy the ride for as long as Buzz will stay, just like we did with Coach Al.
Wow an intro sentence and then one giant buzz quote ; way to add value hunt; why don't they just have your article be a link to recordings of buzz; much more insightful and it appears you agree; can't believe he gets paid for this work.
Quote from: Warriors 79 on February 17, 2013, 12:53:21 PM
There will always be college basketball coaching openings everywhere, every year, including in the state of Texas. Either Buzz is interested in moving back to Texas to some mythical "dream job," or he is not.
Marquette is more Butler with Brad Stephens than we are Kentucky or Duke. We just are. So either Coach Buzz is gonna be Mark Few/ Bo Cryin/ Jamie Dixon/Jay Wright and stay where is loved and successful OR he is TC/ Calipari, etc. and will move on.
He knows in his heart what he is and we can't change that. We need to just enjoy the ride for as long as Buzz will stay, just like we did with Coach Al.
No way...I'm stocking up on pitchforks and Molotov cocktails so I can
get super outraged, foaming-at-the-mouth, irrationally enraged, and
blame Larry Williams. IT'S ALL HIS FAULT!
Quote from: Warriors 79 on February 17, 2013, 12:53:21 PM
Marquette is more Butler with Brad Stephens than we are Kentucky or Duke. We just are. So either Coach Buzz is gonna be Mark Few/ Bo Cryin/ Jamie Dixon/Jay Wright and stay where is loved and successful OR he is TC/ Calipari, etc. and will move on.
I don't understand this line of thinking. What was Notre Dame, a small college in the middle of Indiana, before a string of good football coaches? It takes keeping a couple elite head coaches. You need to give them latitude and make them feel wanted and in charge of their program/destiny.
With the class we have coming in the program might be going up a notch from S 16's.
Quote from: Stone Cold on February 17, 2013, 02:16:40 PM
I don't understand this line of thinking. What was Notre Dame, a small college in the middle of Indiana, before a string of good football coaches? It takes keeping a couple elite head coaches. You need to give them latitude and make them feel wanted and in charge of their program/destiny.
With the class we have coming in the program might be going up a notch from S 16's.
I agree completely. One game, the forward pass and an unprepared Army team put UND on the map.
What was Duke before K? Sure, they were competitive under Foster but not a "Blue Blood." What was Arizona before Lute? There are several schools that are one coach into a "dynasty." Marquette is a great program with a proud tradition and I cannot understand why so many people accept the Tommy Crean "I can't win here" bullcrap. Buzz is still building on a solid foundation and will take us well beyond KO's and Crean's limited horizons.
In the meantime, people should recognize Marquette has nothing to apologize for - it is one of the very best basketball schools in Div I. Superb facilities, exceptional financial support, great fan turnouts, and a current and future home in one of the very best basketball conferences. Marquette will continue on the ascendancy under Buzz and I don't see him leaving because UT, TAMU, TCU, TTU, BU, SMU, Trinity College, etc... have nothing of Marquette's basketball heritage.
Quote from: keefe on February 17, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
I agree completely. One game, the forward pass and an unprepared Army team put UND on the map.
What was Duke before K? Sure, they were competitive under Foster but not a "Blue Blood." What was Arizona before Lute? There are several schools that are one coach into a "dynasty." Marquette is a great program with a proud tradition and I cannot understand why so many people accept the Tommy Crean "I can't win here" bullcrap. Buzz is still building on a solid foundation and will take us well beyond KO's and Crean's limited horizons.
In the meantime, people should recognize Marquette has nothing to apologize for - it is one of the very best basketball schools in Div I. Superb facilities, exceptional financial support, great fan turnouts, and a current and future home in one of the very best basketball conferences. Marquette will continue on the ascendancy under Buzz and I don't see him leaving because UT, TAMU, TCU, TTU, BU, SMU, Trinity College, etc... have nothing of Marquette's basketball heritage.
Remember, though, we should have been totally wetting ourselves,
and should have been VERY AFRAID, AND TERRIFIED, of Buzz taking
the SMU job this summer.
IT WAS MORE THAN A RUMOR! Oh,
that, and thank GOD for that email campaign.
Quote from: keefe on February 17, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
I agree completely. One game, the forward pass and an unprepared Army team put UND on the map.
What was Duke before K? Sure, they were competitive under Foster but not a "Blue Blood." What was Arizona before Lute? There are several schools that are one coach into a "dynasty." Marquette is a great program with a proud tradition and I cannot understand why so many people accept the Tommy Crean "I can't win here" bullcrap. Buzz is still building on a solid foundation and will take us well beyond KO's and Crean's limited horizons.
In the meantime, people should recognize Marquette has nothing to apologize for - it is one of the very best basketball schools in Div I. Superb facilities, exceptional financial support, great fan turnouts, and a current and future home in one of the very best basketball conferences. Marquette will continue on the ascendancy under Buzz and I don't see him leaving because UT, TAMU, TCU, TTU, BU, SMU, Trinity College, etc... have nothing of Marquette's basketball heritage.
Why do you say Crean said he couldn't win here...he didn't, plus he did win here. He stayed here 9 years and won a lot here. He just went somewhere that it is EASIER to win with, more in home talent, more stable conference. That's a big difference.
Kevin O'Neill, who is hardly pilloried on Scoop...said he couldn't win here. Mike Deane said to shoot for NIT and hope for NCAA. Those were guys that said we couldn't win here. Go back and read what the players at MU have said time after time about the previous administration and what the goal was...to win the national title. I'm sorry, I don't agree with your perception...other MU coaches have stated that.
If Buzz leaves, he leaves, I think we'll be fine for the reasons you stated, but if he does leave for more money, better fertile grounds, etc, that wouldn't shock me either.
One of the things that MU has going against it the way we pay for coaches. We have some boosters that feel they need to be the basketball coach because they "own" a bit of his salary. I heard this from KO, heard it from Deane, have heard in other circles at it was a problem elsewhere as well. When hoops is all we have there is no other buttress. No football, or hockey, or something else to take some of the bright lights off. You get some boosters that become an albatross and drag. Yes, I know that happens at other schools, but when you hear it from a number of coaches at MU it becomes a pattern. I choose to view hoops at MU as a positive and I think those coaches did, too, especially in recruiting. But in the day to day life outside of hoops and the politics associated with that position, it can be a big drag.
I didn't necessarily want to turn this into the next 'Buzz stays or goes thread'. I guess I'll believe 79's line of thinking appreciating that only Buzz knows if he wants to be a perpetual hill climber. But I just have a sense that settling down factors in there somewhat.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 17, 2013, 03:17:33 PM
Why do you say Crean said he couldn't win here...he didn't, plus he did win here. He stayed here 9 years and won a lot here. He just went somewhere that it is EASIER to win with, more in home talent, more stable conference. That's a big difference.
Kevin O'Neill, who is hardly pilloried on Scoop...said he couldn't win here. Mike Deane said to shoot for NIT and hope for NCAA. Those were guys that said we couldn't win here. Go back and read what the players at MU have said time after time about the previous administration and what the goal was...to win the national title. I'm sorry, I don't agree with your perception...other MU coaches have stated that.
If Buzz leaves, he leaves, I think we'll be fine for the reasons you stated, but if he does leave for more money, better fertile grounds, etc, that wouldn't shock me either.
One of the things that MU has going against it the way we pay for coaches. We have some boosters that feel they need to be the basketball coach because they "own" a bit of his salary. I heard this from KO, heard it from Deane, have heard in other circles at it was a problem elsewhere as well. When hoops is all we have there is no other buttress. No football, or hockey, or something else to take some of the bright lights off. You get some boosters that become an albatross and drag. Yes, I know that happens at other schools, but when you hear it from a number of coaches at MU it becomes a pattern. I choose to view hoops at MU as a positive and I think those coaches did, too, especially in recruiting. But in the day to day life outside of hoops and the politics associated with that position, it can be a big drag.
Two words: Iman Shumpert. I think losing Shumpert put Crean off Marquette. But if you look at the particulars Shumpert wanted playing time right away as he saw himself as a one and done. We had DJ, McNeil, and Wes blocking that. So it wasn't that GIT was a better basketball school - it still isn't. It was a better basketball school for Iman Shumpert's one year stop en route the NBA. Tom Crean never told me that Shumpert was the final straw. For all I know I heard that hear. But it all makes sense. Perhaps I should not have said that he felt he couldn't win here. It is more correct to say it would be easier to win at IU.
And you are right that both KO and Mike Deane said they couldn't win at MU. KO was pressing for the necessary upgrades to make us competitive. And he was 100% correct. Without investment Marquette would not be competitive. That happens in business all the time. If you aren't prepared to invest to remain competitive then you better have an actionable exit strategy. I'm not sure what Deane's problem was. Granted, he had the same infrastructure challenges that KO had but, unlike KO, he didn't put in the sweat equity to address the talent quotient. I have heard he was lazy in that regard but hell, you were there so would know first hand.
But the question is why does Crean get crucified while KO and Deane get a pass? Isn't that a matter of character, personality? KO is a genuinely funny man. He is direct and abrasive but he is extremely likeable. I used to spend a lot of time at Davis Monthan AFB and ran into KO at the Dubliner. I went up and said, "Hey, Coach buy you a drink?" I was in a flight suit so
he bought the 8 of us a round. I surprised the sh1t out of him when I told him I was from Marquette. We spoke for about 10 minutes then he went back to his group. What I found interesting is that rather than talking about himself he wanted to know about us - what we did, how we did it, why we did it, and how were the wars going. He actually spent more time speaking with the young Captains than with me and a Major. At the end of the evening we asked for our tab and were told it was taken care of. I didn't have to ask.
I have heard the same about Deane. How many other MU coaches went out drinking with his peers after the game. Crean is not "one of the guys" and he never will be. From my personal observation, first hand insights from people whom I know and trust, and from anecdotes here everything adds up to Crean being an arrogant, self-centered prick who didn't give a damn but for himself. The others were openly critical of Marquette's lack of investment but they were right in saying that. Sure, KO was an a$$ for walking around campus in an orange sweat suit the day after the news broke but I hope Fr DiUlio saw that and understood it was his own damn fault. KO was making a statement but it wasn't the obvious; the real message is that every other coach will leave until you get serious about being in the Div I Basketball industry. So people criticize Crean, they mock him, and they scorn him because they do not like anything about him. He did some good at Marquette but that is not at the heart of the antipathy. The derision stems from how he badly mistreated people. Patton was reprimanded publicly for mistreating a subordinate. Gary Wendt was fired as head of GE Capital by Jack Welch for having had an adulterous affair with a subordinate. People must be held accountable for their actions. Tom Crean has yet to be held accountable and until then people will treat him with disdain.
Every job has its rigors. Buzz is a young man who is relatively new in his coaching career. I think he will grow as a coach and teacher and enjoy much success.
Marquette has had one of the best basketball programs in the country for a long time. The university has emphasized basketball when other universities emphasized football or hockey instead. Sure Mu has had a few lousy coaches during this time, but, the really good coaches like Ed Hickey, Al McGuire, Hank Raymonds, Tom Crean and now Buzz Williams have continued the program at an elite level. I see Marquette continuing to be one of the finest basketball schools in the country for many years to come. Enjoy the ride, Buzz, we alumni and fans are.
Quote from: keefe on February 17, 2013, 04:45:09 PM
Two words: Iman Shumpert. I think losing Shumpert put Crean off Marquette. But if you look at the particulars Shumpert wanted playing time right away as he saw himself as a one and done. We had DJ, McNeil, and Wes blocking that. So it wasn't that GIT was a better basketball school - it still isn't. It was a better basketball school for Iman Shumpert's one year stop en route the NBA. Tom Crean never told me that Shumpert was the final straw. For all I know I heard that hear. But it all makes sense. Perhaps I should not have said that he felt he couldn't win here. It is more correct to say it would be easier to win at IU.
And you are right that both KO and Mike Deane said they couldn't win at MU. KO was pressing for the necessary upgrades to make us competitive. And he was 100% correct. Without investment Marquette would not be competitive. That happens in business all the time. If you aren't prepared to invest to remain competitive then you better have an actionable exit strategy. I'm not sure what Deane's problem was. Granted, he had the same infrastructure challenges that KO had but, unlike KO, he didn't put in the sweat equity to address the talent quotient. I have heard he was lazy in that regard but hell, you were there so would know first hand.
But the question is why does Crean get crucified while KO and Deane get a pass? Isn't that a matter of character, personality? KO is a genuinely funny man. He is direct and abrasive but he is extremely likeable. I used to spend a lot of time at Davis Monthan AFB and ran into KO at the Dubliner. I went up and said, "Hey, Coach buy you a drink?" I was in a flight suit so he bought the 8 of us a round. I surprised the sh1t out of him when I told him I was from Marquette. We spoke for about 10 minutes then he went back to his group. What I found interesting is that rather than talking about himself he wanted to know about us - what we did, how we did it, why we did it, and how were the wars going. He actually spent more time speaking with the young Captains than with me and a Major. At the end of the evening we asked for our tab and were told it was taken care of. I didn't have to ask.
I have heard the same about Deane. How many other MU coaches went out drinking with his peers after the game. Crean is not "one of the guys" and he never will be. From my personal observation, first hand insights from people whom I know and trust, and from anecdotes here everything adds up to Crean being an arrogant, self-centered prick who didn't give a damn but for himself. The others were openly critical of Marquette's lack of investment but they were right in saying that. Sure, KO was an a$$ for walking around campus in an orange sweat suit the day after the news broke but I hope Fr DiUlio saw that and understood it was his own damn fault. KO was making a statement but it wasn't the obvious; the real message is that every other coach will leave until you get serious about being in the Div I Basketball industry. So people criticize Crean, they mock him, and they scorn him because they do not like anything about him. He did some good at Marquette but that is not at the heart of the antipathy. The derision stems from how he badly mistreated people. Patton was reprimanded publicly for mistreating a subordinate. Gary Wendt was fired as head of GE Capital by Jack Welch for having had an adulterous affair with a subordinate. People must be held accountable for their actions. Tom Crean has yet to be held accountable and until then people will treat him with disdain.
It's high comedy that an average NBA player, and somewhat above
average college NCAA basketball player would be such a deal breaker.
But then, I guess, so was Krunti Hester. Yawn.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 17, 2013, 12:07:58 PM
That's one way to look at it. Others might say it's easier to get to the top of the mountain elsewhere, with less stress, especially on the recruiting front at one of the big major programs. I know Texas fans are really upset with Barnes and want him out. Another drubbing yesterday. They are now 3-9 in the Big 12 and 11-14 overall. Dodds rewards loyalty and I don't think he will kick Barnes to the curb after this season, but Barnes will need to get it in gear soon.
I would say Barnes is on the hot seat. Dismal year. Utter embarrassing loss at Kansas last night. They have struggles the last few seasons. I think his days are numbered.
Given the (very) brief time I have spent with Buzz, I don't see location as being a factor in the pressure he puts on himself. If it is "easier" to win somewhere else, I think he will have no problem finding work to fill that time. All I can say is regardless of how it came about, we have come out of it smelling like a rose.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 17, 2013, 05:50:51 PM
I would say Barnes is on the hot seat. Dismal year. Utter embarrassing loss at Kansas last night. They have struggles the last few seasons. I think his days are numbered.
Struggled the last few seasons? They won 28 games and finished the season 8th in the AP poll two years ago, then won 24 games last year even after losing their top four players from the previous season.
Texas has been hurt badly the past two seasons by two things that were largely out of Barnes' control:
- too many good players entering the NBA draft too early. Tristan Thompson, one could fairly argue, left at the right time given his draft position, but Cory Joseph, Jordan Hamilton and J'Covan Brown had no business leaving early. But they did, and it gutted Barnes' roster. If you're John Calipari, you can get away with that - sometimes (but not so much this year, eh?) - but 99 percent of the coaches out there can't.
- The NCAA's jerking around of Myck Kabongo. Basically took away Texas' best player for most of the season, and did it when Texas didn't have any time to prepare for his absence.
There may be a very hot seat in Texas, but if Mack Brown hasn't been fired after three bad seasons, Barnes shouldn't be after one.
Quote from: keefe on February 17, 2013, 04:45:09 PM
Two words: Iman Shumpert. I think losing Shumpert put Crean off Marquette. But if you look at the particulars Shumpert wanted playing time right away as he saw himself as a one and done. We had DJ, McNeil, and Wes blocking that. So it wasn't that GIT was a better basketball school - it still isn't. It was a better basketball school for Iman Shumpert's one year stop en route the NBA. Tom Crean never told me that Shumpert was the final straw. For all I know I heard that hear. But it all makes sense. Perhaps I should not have said that he felt he couldn't win here. It is more correct to say it would be easier to win at IU.
And you are right that both KO and Mike Deane said they couldn't win at MU. KO was pressing for the necessary upgrades to make us competitive. And he was 100% correct. Without investment Marquette would not be competitive. That happens in business all the time. If you aren't prepared to invest to remain competitive then you better have an actionable exit strategy. I'm not sure what Deane's problem was. Granted, he had the same infrastructure challenges that KO had but, unlike KO, he didn't put in the sweat equity to address the talent quotient. I have heard he was lazy in that regard but hell, you were there so would know first hand.
But the question is why does Crean get crucified while KO and Deane get a pass? Isn't that a matter of character, personality? KO is a genuinely funny man. He is direct and abrasive but he is extremely likeable. I used to spend a lot of time at Davis Monthan AFB and ran into KO at the Dubliner. I went up and said, "Hey, Coach buy you a drink?" I was in a flight suit so he bought the 8 of us a round. I surprised the sh1t out of him when I told him I was from Marquette. We spoke for about 10 minutes then he went back to his group. What I found interesting is that rather than talking about himself he wanted to know about us - what we did, how we did it, why we did it, and how were the wars going. He actually spent more time speaking with the young Captains than with me and a Major. At the end of the evening we asked for our tab and were told it was taken care of. I didn't have to ask.
I have heard the same about Deane. How many other MU coaches went out drinking with his peers after the game. Crean is not "one of the guys" and he never will be. From my personal observation, first hand insights from people whom I know and trust, and from anecdotes here everything adds up to Crean being an arrogant, self-centered prick who didn't give a damn but for himself. The others were openly critical of Marquette's lack of investment but they were right in saying that. Sure, KO was an a$$ for walking around campus in an orange sweat suit the day after the news broke but I hope Fr DiUlio saw that and understood it was his own damn fault. KO was making a statement but it wasn't the obvious; the real message is that every other coach will leave until you get serious about being in the Div I Basketball industry. So people criticize Crean, they mock him, and they scorn him because they do not like anything about him. He did some good at Marquette but that is not at the heart of the antipathy. The derision stems from how he badly mistreated people. Patton was reprimanded publicly for mistreating a subordinate. Gary Wendt was fired as head of GE Capital by Jack Welch for having had an adulterous affair with a subordinate. People must be held accountable for their actions. Tom Crean has yet to be held accountable and until then people will treat him with disdain.
Matter of character to me is judged more by whether you can buy a drink. Cheating on his wife with everything that moved and doing it openly in very public bars, etc, etc. Telling a lot of people that your employer gave you a contract not worth wiping your nose with isn't showing high character, in my opinion. Lots of ways to look at character if we want to go down that path.
As for Shumpert, yeah it's harder to recruit at MU. That's a big difference than saying you can't win here. He knew it would be EASIER to win at another place like a blue blood, but that's just common sense. That doesn't mean you can't win here, it's just a lot harder. Buzz is seeing that as well. Buzz has won more consistently, but hasn't won at a higher level yet. Part of that is the lack of elite players. Hopefully next year's crew will be the foundation to get there.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 17, 2013, 05:50:51 PM
I would say Barnes is on the hot seat. Dismal year. Utter embarrassing loss at Kansas last night. They have struggles the last few seasons. I think his days are numbered.
Deloss Dodds is a strange cat, but he is loyal to his people. I think he sticks with him one more year. Fourteen straight NCAA bids is going to buy you some love and loyalty and Dodds is all about that.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 17, 2013, 06:18:55 PM
Struggled the last few seasons? They won 28 games and finished the season 8th in the AP poll two years ago, then won 24 games last year even after losing their top four players from the previous season.
Texas has been hurt badly the past two seasons by two things that were largely out of Barnes' control:
- too many good players entering the NBA draft too early. Tristan Thompson, one could fairly argue, left at the right time given his draft position, but Cory Joseph, Jordan Hamilton and J'Covan Brown had no business leaving early. But they did, and it gutted Barnes' roster. If you're John Calipari, you can get away with that - sometimes (but not so much this year, eh?) - but 99 percent of the coaches out there can't.
- The NCAA's jerking around of Myck Kabongo. Basically took away Texas' best player for most of the season, and did it when Texas didn't have any time to prepare for his absence.
There may be a very hot seat in Texas, but if Mack Brown hasn't been fired after three bad seasons, Barnes shouldn't be after one.
In football rabid TX, this is quite a statement. Honestly, Mack Brown
might be one of the dumber, more inept football coaches alive. How
that slack-jawed rube hasn't won at least 4-5 national championships
there is dumbfounding.
Quote from: connie on February 17, 2013, 05:57:50 PM
All I can say is regardless of how it came about, we have come out of it smelling like a rose.
Agreed. I couldn't be happier. Buzz doing a great job. Crean rebuilds my other alma mater into a national powerhouse again. Win win for me.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2013, 11:22:03 AM
Pretty sure Buzz is a Gucci guy.
The trained eye of the Goose is correct. I never understood why guys bought those things. Even in my suit wearin' days I avoided them. Now, I see them as a ridiculous indulgence. Just bought a pair of Patagonia boots this afternoon off the clearance rack at REI's flagship store. They'll last at least two years in Nepal's extreme mountain conditions. $75.83 for rugged, durable transportation. I used to spend more on a bottle of wine.
Quote from: keefe on February 17, 2013, 08:30:48 PM
The trained eye of the Goose is correct. I never understood why guys bought those things. Even in my suit wearin' days I avoided them. Now, I see them as a ridiculous indulgence. Just bought a pair of Patagonia boots this afternoon off the clearance rack at REI's flagship store. They'll last at least two years in Nepal's extreme mountain conditions. $75.83 for rugged, durable transportation. I used to spend more on a bottle of wine.
You need a good pair of Red Wings. American made. Just down the road...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 17, 2013, 07:59:41 PM
Agreed. I couldn't be happier. Buzz doing a great job. Crean rebuilds my other alma mater into a national powerhouse again. Win win for me.
Ok, I'll take that bet. My Michigan under Beihlein wins one before Your IU under Crean. Bottle of Wine. Winner's choice.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 17, 2013, 08:34:07 PM
You need a good pair of Red Wings. American made. Just down the road...
Damn. I looked up Red Wing boots and found this wing tip style. Man I would be the envy of Jomsom strutting the trails in those...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/8dEZwcxRGVrm5geyKScvI8sdEwZA-RviEzd7IcREpCINISMPi7Y0rx11ogSAZ9gml_K7oK6bPiHwGnFc1AcDE6vUfpI-ziLoEuku8WJ-JuNF3ErrKgovseHDxW8AW5zM1Mb6u8yk1gMXnqPnNfGI_uinssi9Q0sTIfU=s220-c)
Quote from: keefe on February 17, 2013, 08:51:11 PM
Damn. I looked up Red Wing boots and found this wing tip style. Man I would be the envy of Jomsom strutting the trails in those...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/8dEZwcxRGVrm5geyKScvI8sdEwZA-RviEzd7IcREpCINISMPi7Y0rx11ogSAZ9gml_K7oK6bPiHwGnFc1AcDE6vUfpI-ziLoEuku8WJ-JuNF3ErrKgovseHDxW8AW5zM1Mb6u8yk1gMXnqPnNfGI_uinssi9Q0sTIfU=s220-c)
You are resourceful.
If you wanted to go Wisconsin, a pair of Allen Edmonds would do you well.
Seriously, red wings are well made. We bought them for safety shoes. Guys would get 2-3 years out of them.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 17, 2013, 08:55:30 PM
You are resourceful.
If you wanted to go Wisconsin, a pair of Allen Edmonds would do you well.
Seriously, red wings are well made. We bought them for safety shoes. Guys would get 2-3 years out of them.
Funny you should mention Allen Edmonds. Those were my shoes of choice back in the days of PepsiCo and GE. My wife thought them clunky and tried to steer me more towards the Euro styles but I always wore A-E's. The fact they were from Wisconsin was a bonus. Great shoes, held a shine, and lasted forever. And they were a man's shoe, unlike those tinker bell shoes worn by Europeans. Brits and Aussies are like Americans in that they wear real shoes. French and Italians wear ballet slippers and Germans wear shoes that extend out forever. Asians wear slip ons since they take their shoes off at the door and in many restaurants. You can also see a lot of big heels on some of the Asian shoes. Turns a 5'3" Midget into a 5'6" Giant.
I am familiar with steel toed boots from my flying days. Came in two colors - black and tan. Got them at the uniform shop for under $100. The black ones were leather and were indestructible. The tan were suede and with the heat over in Iraq they lasted a 6 month deployment.
My room mate in Schroeder was from port Washington. His parents both worked at AE. We used to get factory seconds at the EE discount. Their definition of a factory second was smeared ink on the inside of the shoe where they would print the shoe's size.
Only shoe I buy.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 17, 2013, 09:20:04 PM
My room mate in Schroeder was from port Washington. His parents both worked at AE. We used to get factory seconds at the EE discount. Their definition of a factory second was smeared ink on the inside of the shoe where they would print the shoe's size.
Only shoe I buy.
An excellent choice. I know how to slap on a thick shine using an old t-shirt and lots of spit. The maid would try but it was like she used a chocolate bar. Europeans never shine their shoes. Dude will have a $2,000 suit on and his shoes will be all scuffed up. I always found AE's leather to be thick and very good quality so it really took a shine. My secretary in HK, Anna Wong, asked me one Monday at morning tea why my index and middle fingers were black. When I explained it was from shining my shoes she had a horrified look on her face. She asked why the amah didn't do it and explained I was better. It made no sense to her whatsoever.
I use AE polish and creme exclusively. Know exactly what you mean about the fingers.
Kinda worried about how our last few posts could be taken out of context. ;D
Stollenwerk probably loved you dudes.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 17, 2013, 09:30:55 PM
I use AE polish and creme exclusively. Know exactly what you mean about the fingers.
Kinda worried about how our last few posts could be taken out of context. ;D
Yea, just read through and it could be misconstrued...but it would show where one's mind is at, wouldn't it?
Quote from: keefe on February 17, 2013, 08:43:39 PM
Ok, I'll take that bet. My Michigan under Beihlein wins one before Your IU under Crean. Bottle of Wine. Winner's choice.
I didn't realize I made any predictions of a championship or anything of the nature to instigate a "I'll take that bet." I merely said he would return them to national prominence, and he has done that. Though a few years ago I did say here TC would take IU to the Final Four before Buzz does at MU...for which I got a large amount of heat on that one, too. I certainly have no opinion on Michigan. The NCAAs are a crapshoot, no one knows what the match-ups will be, where the games are played, etc. If it was a best of 3, best of 5, much easier to pick, but one off night and you are out. One night where you play like we did at Green Bay, you're done. One night where IU plays like they did against Illinois, they're out. It happens.
One quick question before I agree to any bet....Is Uncle Ed Martin still alive to grease the palms of players at UM? If he is, no dice. I know the culture has changed there, but that was one dirty arse program for a long time and now that they are tasting success again I wonder how long before it creeps back in.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 17, 2013, 09:35:06 PM
Stollenwerk probably loved you dudes.
Guy took a small niche brand and built it into the epitome of American business footwear. We did work with Essilor and my French colleague was there when my weekly FedEx arrived from CT. Included were two pair of A-E's. He commented that they looked more like Horse shoes since they were so heavy. The French. Merde.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 17, 2013, 09:20:04 PM
Only shoe I buy.
+1
Though with the further erosion of dress code at the corporate level to accommodate millennials and such, I may have get into something more casual soon. God forbid corporate America demands nice shoes, slacks and a button down shirt...now its nice jeans, casual wear at way too many places and those companies like where I'm at that doesn't do that are feeling the pressure to do it to retain employees (among other perks).
Isn't free Direct TV enough of a perk?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 17, 2013, 09:44:57 PM
I didn't realize I made any predictions of a championship or anything of the nature to instigate a "I'll take that bet." I merely said he would return them to national prominence, and he has done that. I certainly have to opinion on Michigan, though a few years ago I did say here TC would take IU to the Final Four before Buzz does at MU...for which I got a large amount of heat on that one, too. The NCAAs are a crapshoot, no one knows what the matchups will be, where the games are played, etc. If it was a best of 3, best of 5, much easier to pick, but one off night and you are out. One night where you play like we did at Green Bay, you're done. One night where IU plays like they did against Illinois, they're out. It happens.
One quick question before I agree to any bet....Is Uncle Ed Martin still alive to grease the palms of players at UM? If he is, no dice. I know the culture has changed there, but that was one dirty arse program for a long time and now that they are tasting success again I wonder how long before it creeps back in.
So no bet?? C'mon and grow a pair! I'll put a bottle of wine on Maize and Blue getting one before IU. Neither may win one during our life times but it may happen. What it says is that we each have faith in our alma maters to be competitive for winning it all.
As for Ed Martin, that sonuvabitch wasn't even an alum. And his gig wasn't even to lure or reward players for signing with Michigan. He gave illicit money from his gambling ring to Webber, Traylor, Taylor and Bullock in order to launder it. All four of those guys knew Martin from the Detroit streets. Martin gave high school ballers shoes (from Sonny Vacarro, no less,) money, groceries, etc... throughout their high school careers. In the case of these 4 he gave them "loans" which were to be repaid after they went to the show. Martin had no connection or association with the University. And he died about 10 years ago during Webber's trial for lying to a grand jury.
The case of Martin is very different from what is going on at IU today. The current coaching staff has a cozy relationship with certain AAU figures...Go figure
No one says that coaching is not a rigorous tough job, but I believe that everybody on this board does not have a bank account close to Buzz Williams. If I make a $100K a year, I have to work 25
years to match Buzz's salary. So in saying that, Buzz can quit anytime he wants now and have a great stress free life. We should all have that problem. But Buzz is driven to do a great job, and
that is an issue he is going to have to change as life is to short.
The MU job is difficult, so he has to bust his ass to recruit players. February in Wisconsin sucks, I would never bring a future recruit from out of state to Wisconsin then. To get a Top 10 recruiting
class is amazing, we may never see it again as he only needs a player or 2 the next few years after the 2013 class. Luckily, 3 of the kids are from Wisconsin and wanted to stay here. Much like
Key, MacIlvaine and Logterman for KO his first year. I still say that MU takes care of there players after school is over, the business community has done a good job helping those kids get ahead.
Basketball is not forever, ask Earl Tatum or George Thompson, even Jim MacIlvane.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 17, 2013, 12:07:58 PM
That's one way to look at it. Others might say it's easier to get to the top of the mountain elsewhere, with less stress, especially on the recruiting front at one of the big major programs. I know Texas fans are really upset with Barnes and want him out. Another drubbing yesterday. They are now 3-9 in the Big 12 and 11-14 overall. Dodds rewards loyalty and I don't think he will kick Barnes to the curb after this season, but Barnes will need to get it in gear soon.
Agreed. But there just aren't many schools that make it THAT much easier from where Marquette stands. Texas still scares me though. Hopefully they would go after Shaka first.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 17, 2013, 09:55:27 PM
Isn't free Direct TV enough of a perk?
The porn ain't free...keeping the man down.
Quote from: keefe on February 17, 2013, 09:58:05 PM
So no bet?? C'mon and grow a pair! I'll put a bottle of wine on Maize and Blue getting one before IU. Neither may win one during our life times but it may happen. What it says is that we each have faith in our alma maters to be competitive for winning it all.
As for Ed Martin, that sonuvabitch wasn't even an alum. And his gig wasn't even to lure or reward players for signing with Michigan. He gave illicit money from his gambling ring to Webber, Traylor, Taylor and Bullock in order to launder it. All four of those guys knew Martin from the Detroit streets. Martin gave high school ballers shoes (from Sonny Vacarro, no less,) money, groceries, etc... throughout their high school careers. In the case of these 4 he gave them "loans" which were to be repaid after they went to the show. Martin had no connection or association with the University. And he died about 10 years ago during Webber's trial for lying to a grand jury.
The case of Martin is very different from what is going on at IU today. The current coaching staff has a cozy relationship with certain AAU figures...Go figure
Lots of coaches have cozy relationships with AAU teams, including Bo Ryan. That doesn't mean money is changing hands at the tune of $280K like Webber got.
OK, so your bet is Coach B at Michigan will win the national title before Crean at IU? Or do the schools matter..I just want to be clear. If Coach B is at Texas or something and wins it, does that count? If Crean is at Michigan State, does that count? I'll take the bet, though I wouldn't be surprised if both of us never win this bet because neither wins the title anywhere. The smart bet here is clearly the field. Let me know the answer to the team question just for clarity.
Thanks. Peace. Out.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 17, 2013, 10:08:58 PM
No one says that coaching is not a rigorous tough job, but I believe that everybody on this board does not have a bank account close to Buzz Williams. If I make a $100K a year, I have to work 25
years to match Buzz's salary. So in saying that, Buzz can quit anytime he wants now and have a great stress free life. We should all have that problem. But Buzz is driven to do a great job, and
that is an issue he is going to have to change as life is to short.
The MU job is difficult, so he has to bust his ass to recruit players. February in Wisconsin sucks, I would never bring a future recruit from out of state to Wisconsin then. To get a Top 10 recruiting
class is amazing, we may never see it again as he only needs a player or 2 the next few years after the 2013 class. Luckily, 3 of the kids are from Wisconsin and wanted to stay here. Much like
Key, MacIlvaine and Logterman for KO his first year. I still say that MU takes care of there players after school is over, the business community has done a good job helping those kids get ahead.
Basketball is not forever, ask Earl Tatum or George Thompson, even Jim MacIlvane.
Well said
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 17, 2013, 11:06:16 PM
Lots of coaches have cozy relationships with AAU teams, including Bo Ryan. That doesn't mean money is changing hands at the tune of $280K like Webber got.
OK, so your bet is Coach B at Michigan will win the national title before Crean at IU? Or do the schools matter..I just want to be clear. If Coach B is at Texas or something and wins it, does that count? If Crean is at Michigan State, does that count? I'll take the bet, though I wouldn't be surprised if both of us never win this bet because neither wins the title anywhere. The smart bet here is clearly the field. Let me know the answer to the team question just for clarity.
Thanks. Peace. Out.
B wins at Michigan vs Crean wins at IU. I have no interest in Coach B winning elsewhere unless he is at Marquette or Harvard. I agree that this will likely be a wash as neither wins the Ship at their current gig.
IMO it really does come down to where Buzz will be happy. He makes a ton of money and will at MU or somewhere else. If you likes Milwaukee,MU, his bosses and boosters he stays, if not he moves on. Lab Warrior can yawn and mock all that he wants to about Buzz staying or leaving all he wants. It is a business and people and organizations make business decisions everyday.
In the long run every job has it's perks and it's pressure. MU job probably has more pressure to keep players on the right path in life than it does on winning. At MU most fans want competitive team with good kids on and off the court. To me the pressure of having kids doing their homework and behaving at night is more pressure than winning. Coaches control on court stuff because that is their job. The offcourt stuff is crap shoot, time consuming and probably very annoying. All schools want good kids but I think at MU is requirement not a hope.
Back to the opening post ...
I don't feel even a little sorry for Buzz or any other high-level coach in a revenue sport at a major university. If they want less stress, they can work in Division III in a small media market. Or they can choose another profession entirely. Life is full of choices.
I respect how hard coaches have to work, and believe me I'm glad we have an outstanding coach, but lots of people in the world work hard without getting millions of dollars and without Dick Vitale screaming about how wonderful they are, bay-bee!
You want stress? Try feeding your family and keeping a roof over your kids' heads on a minimum-wage salary. When the sheriff knocks on your door and says you'll be evicted next week if you can't pay the rent, THAT is pressure. Thankfully, I've never felt that pressure, but I know good people who have.
Quote from: keefe on February 17, 2013, 11:14:21 PM
B wins at Michigan vs Crean wins at IU. I have no interest in Coach B winning elsewhere unless he is at Marquette or Harvard. I agree that this will likely be a wash as neither wins the Ship at their current gig.
OK, bet on. As a Michigan alum (you), I wish you well. As an IU alum (me), I hope my guy wins. We both have a little extra to gain as our alma maters benefit if our guy wins the bet. Best of luck.