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Title: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: EnderWiggen on February 16, 2013, 08:12:44 AM
Just posted on the FB page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANsZfk5G8vA&feature=youtu.be

I'm not the biggest TC fan, but it seemed very respectful to me.  Also, sorry if this got posted already and i missed it.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: 🏀 on February 16, 2013, 08:14:18 AM
Really wish this had the wet hair.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Goose on February 16, 2013, 08:23:16 AM
Love him or hate him he is a big part of our post Al history. The 2003 season ended up being one that we all remember. To me beating Kentucky to go to FF was one of my favorite MU moments. Wade was unreal and we beat a team that many on here hate a great deal. Unfortunately the Kansas game will remain one of my least favorite MU moments.

All in all, in 2003 I thought there was little chance of MU ever being in FF again and the team delivered the goods. Kudo's to the fella's for making great memories for MU fans.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: MUCam on February 16, 2013, 08:25:00 AM
Not bad. Nice comments.

How necessary was the IU back drop? It was the first thing I noticed.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on February 16, 2013, 08:33:15 AM
Thanks for everything TC did! (My top 3 below)

1) FF
2) Hiring Buzz
3) Leaving
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: lurch91 on February 16, 2013, 08:45:35 AM
That last line before "Beat Pittsburgh", whaaaat?

Honor them for that they did in life and what.........?

Or was it just me?
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on February 16, 2013, 08:48:56 AM
It was just you.   Just a very nice message that does not need to be parsed with a seven page thread.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Avenue Commons on February 16, 2013, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: lurch91 on February 16, 2013, 08:45:35 AM
That last line before "Beat Pittsburgh", whaaaat?

Honor them for that they did in life and what.........?

Or was it just me?
No I came to post the same thing. Here's what TC rambled:

Quote"So proud to be have been associated with all of them and everyone at Marquette University.

And I hope that everything gets done in their lives that they set forth and to help all of us get done in our lives and helped us with. And with that being said, go Marquette, beat Pittsburgh."

And with that being said, learn to speak proper English and stop trying to be so profound. You're not, you're a walking, talking cliche.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 16, 2013, 09:13:06 AM
Quote from: PTM on February 16, 2013, 08:14:18 AM
Really wish this had the wet hair.

This. He gave the exact same speech before every game except Wisconsin and Louisville where he would take out his "XYZ is well coached" line.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 16, 2013, 09:16:24 AM
What are the odds the students boo the entire speech?
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Nukem2 on February 16, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 16, 2013, 09:16:24 AM
What are the odds the students boo the entire speech?
These undergrads were not around when Crean left.  Thats ancient history to them.  Now, 4everwarriors might be leading the boos... :P
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: MUFlutieEffect on February 16, 2013, 09:28:54 AM
Quote from: MUCam on February 16, 2013, 08:25:00 AM
Not bad. Nice comments.

How necessary was the IU back drop? It was the first thing I noticed.

Agreed - I felt like this would have been a bit more genuine if the background was literally ANYTHING else.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: warriormom on February 16, 2013, 09:33:52 AM
The students boo Tom Crean at every game during the video.
I think there will be booing today.
It is the consequence of leaving in the manner he did.
You reap what you sow.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Ari Gold on February 16, 2013, 09:34:39 AM
I think it was pretty classy of tom  crean to post what he did. However the complaint is he did it in one take. Had he thought it through more and taken a bit more time it would have been more coherent.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 16, 2013, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 16, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
These undergrads were not around when Crean left.  Thats ancient history to them.  Now, 4everwarriors might be leading the boos... :P

leading?  4never will be shirtless, banging his chest, gnashing his teeth and howling a primal scream.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: lurch91 on February 16, 2013, 09:46:44 AM
Quote from: Avenue Commons on February 16, 2013, 08:50:38 AM
No I came to post the same thing. Here's what TC rambled:

And with that being said, learn to speak proper English and stop trying to be so profound. You're not, you're a walking, talking cliche.

Thanks, I thought it was so disjointed I didn't understand what he was trying to say.  Glad I wasn't the only one.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 09:55:04 AM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 16, 2013, 09:16:24 AM
What are the odds the students boo the entire speech?

With the class some of our fans have, probably pretty good odds.  Maybe a few can attack his wife and kids, too.  And no, it wasn't the exact same speech.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 16, 2013, 09:59:07 AM
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 16, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
These undergrads were not around when Crean left.  Thats ancient history to them.  Now, 4everwarriors might be leading the boos... :P

I'm sure that as BMOC, 4ever will be leading the boos.  For those of you who haven't met him (like myself) here is a picture of 4ever from his undergrad days.

(http://imagecache5.art.com/LRG/37/3797/ZGJIF00Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 16, 2013, 10:00:17 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 09:55:04 AM
With the class some of our fans have, probably pretty good odds.  Maybe a few can attack his wife and kids, too.  And no, it wasn't the exact same speech.

Jump right in front of the bullets.  We all know you will.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: JD on February 16, 2013, 10:05:44 AM
Listen, Tom is Tom. He didn't have to say anything, even if what he said didn't make much sense, I appreciate what he did say. He kept the focus on the men of the 2003 team and not bimself.  Thanks Tom, I appreciate what you did for Marquette. Sloppy break up to most,but I'm sure most of us would have done the same, maybe differently, that's all
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: mosarsour on February 16, 2013, 10:24:16 AM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 16, 2013, 09:16:24 AM
What are the odds the students boo the entire speech?

I really hope not, but it's inevitable. It's too bad because he is a major part of bringing respect back to the program.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on February 16, 2013, 10:36:13 AM
Yawn....   Getting old this Crean bashing.. Acknowledge a classy attempt and move on
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: muvanwilder on February 16, 2013, 10:39:07 AM
185 views...0 likes, 2 dislikes
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Avenue Commons on February 16, 2013, 10:44:33 AM
Quote from: elephantraker on February 16, 2013, 10:36:13 AM
Yawn....   Getting old this Crean bashing.. Acknowledge a classy attempt and move on
What was classy about it? The IU backdrop? The "we" references? The incoherent verbiage? Dude looked like the clown he is.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 10:49:10 AM
Quote from: Avenue Commons on February 16, 2013, 10:44:33 AM
What was classy about it? The IU backdrop? The "we" references? The incoherent verbiage? Dude looked like the clown he is.

He is the coach at Indiana now...if he wore a MU sweatshirt you would be angry. If he stood in front of the Vatican you would be angry.  It doesn't matter, but since he's the IU coach and they filmed it at IU in their media room, yeah, it's going to have an IU background. 

Listen to what he said about the accomplishment, it was nice, etc.  What was "not classy" about his words?

"We"...was he not the head coach of the team and brought those players in?  Why wouldn't it be "we" in that context...makes no sense at all why you go there.  He was part of the team, of course he is going to use we.  Last I checked, that team is in the MU Hall of Fame and he is on the plaque like everyone else.  When Al McGuire spoke at the 20th anniversary of the 77 Championship he used "We" all the time, as he should have.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Newsdreams on February 16, 2013, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: mosarsour on February 16, 2013, 10:24:16 AM
I really hope not, but it's inevitable. It's too bad because he is a major part of bringing respect back to the program.
Son tells me he gets booed at every game during the legends video, so.....chances are they probably will.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 10:52:54 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 16, 2013, 10:00:17 AM
Jump right in front of the bullets.  We all know you will.

If someone attacked Buzz's kids and wife, I would do the same.  Totally classless.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: cheebs09 on February 16, 2013, 10:53:17 AM
I thought it was a very nice message. He really tried to highlight how special that group was and showed he enjoyed the memories of Marquette.

Unfortunately the IU backdrop will be the first thing people see and I think there will be boos. Would it have been tough to film that in his office? Is it a contract thing that he'd have to have IU in the background? Maybe logistically he didn't have much of a choice, just think it looks kind of bad.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: We R Final Four on February 16, 2013, 10:58:43 AM
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 16, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
These undergrads were not around when Crean left.  Thats ancient history to them.  Now, 4everwarriors might be leading the boos... :P

Then why do the current students boo him when he comes on the big screen during intros? 
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: tower912 on February 16, 2013, 11:01:06 AM
Thank you, Coach Crean, for your kind words. 
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Jay Bee on February 16, 2013, 11:18:30 AM
Luckily MU made him redo his first video that ended, "thanks for letting me lead Marquette to greatness for you fine folks. I really appreciate it. The history of Marquette isn't like here at Indiana, but I was able to help provide some great years for the fans and get great jobs for my players. It's Indiana, it's Indiana!!!"

The Indiana backdrop was unnecessary (at least it didn't say Crean & Crimson?) & there will be some booing at the BC. (I wouldn't boo if I were there, but I expect it to occur.)
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 16, 2013, 11:22:53 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 10:52:54 AM
If someone attacked Buzz's kids and wife, I would do the same.  Totally classless.

My point is that they will always do it whether or not you come to his defense on the internet.

I was just pointing out the futility... and the fact that it really just sets the thread on fire. :)
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Pakuni on February 16, 2013, 12:25:18 PM
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 16, 2013, 10:58:43 AM
Then why do the current students boo him when he comes on the big screen during intros? 

Because they're sheep.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Newsdreams on February 16, 2013, 12:43:13 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on February 16, 2013, 12:25:18 PM
Because they're sheep.
Actually most know how he left!
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: newsdrms on February 16, 2013, 12:43:13 PM
Actually most know how he left!

Then most should also know he went to a better school, better program and let us in tremendous shape, including giving the students something to cheer for which we haven't had in 30 years.  Or are they only selectively knowing?
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Newsdreams on February 16, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
Chico's most know that also. Not that he left but the way he left....
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: keefe on February 16, 2013, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: newsdrms on February 16, 2013, 12:43:13 PM
Actually most know how he left!

The incredulity in his voice as he disdainfully dismissed the question by answering with those four hateful words,

       "It's Indiana, It's Indiana!"

Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 16, 2013, 02:06:05 PM
S h I t  faced for sure as he read that.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Avenue Commons on February 16, 2013, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 10:49:10 AM
He is the coach at Indiana now...if he wore a MU sweatshirt you would be angry. If he stood in front of the Vatican you would be angry.  It doesn't matter, but since he's the IU coach and they filmed it at IU in their media room, yeah, it's going to have an IU background. 

Listen to what he said about the accomplishment, it was nice, etc.  What was "not classy" about his words?

"We"...was he not the head coach of the team and brought those players in?  Why wouldn't it be "we" in that context...makes no sense at all why you go there.  He was part of the team, of course he is going to use we.  Last I checked, that team is in the MU Hall of Fame and he is on the plaque like everyone else.  When Al McGuire spoke at the 20th anniversary of the 77 Championship he used "We" all the time, as he should have.

I'm not angry. I think he is a clown and I treat him as such.

When he fled to Indiana in a classless manner, he no longer kept the privilege of considering himself a current part of Marquette. So he loses the ability to say "we" as he is no longer part of our collective.

As he demonstrated, he has a loose grasp on extemporaneous speaking, so i should t be too surprised.

Tom Crean is a tool. He's exactly what he appears to be.

You don't like my opinion? Too fucking bad. Deal with it. Like a lot of people here I'm tired of your sanctimonious judgment. If I don't like someone who, in my humble opinion, dishonored my alma mater and me that's my choice. I have my rea$on$ to dislike him. Stay out of it.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: keefe on February 16, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 10:52:54 AM
If someone attacked Buzz's kids and wife, I would do the same.  Totally classless.

Chicos we don't know Buzz or his kids because they stay out of the limelight. Crean opens his son up to criticism when he pulls stunts like giving the kid all the awards at his basketball camp or forcing staff to take an hour out of a work day to celebrate a 3 year old's birthday. Hell, he didn't even have enough cake for those forced to participate so they got the rare privilege of watching the Creans shovel cake down their gullets. There are scenes in Schindler's List and films centered on Japanese POW Camps where inmates are forced to participate in faux celebrations. That is the mental image I have of the forced fun birthday for young Ryan or Tyler or whatever the kid's name Crean. Might not be the kid's fault but he sure as hell is getting a very skewed perspective on life. That kid is going to be a major piece of modern art work when he grows up.

I cannot in any way imagine any superior in my personal experience bringing their infant child to work and forcing a department to celebrate the "milestone." Gary Wendt at GE Cap would have you fired for such stupidity as you clearly have compromised your ability to lead going forward. And forget about any Air Force officer doing that. It is simply unimaginable.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: Norm on February 16, 2013, 03:40:13 PM
Yeah, it must really suck to have to help a 3 year old celebrate his birthday. I mean, an hour away from your regular duties to make a 3 year old feel good. I bet they sang happy birthday through clenched teeth out of bitterness toward their boss for forcing them to go to a 3 year old birthday party. Oh, the humanity!!
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: keefe on February 16, 2013, 03:45:52 PM
Quote from: Norm on February 16, 2013, 03:40:13 PM
Yeah, it must really suck to have to help a 3 year old celebrate his birthday. I mean, an hour away from your regular duties to make a 3 year old feel good. I bet they sang happy birthday through clenched teeth out of bitterness toward their boss for forcing them to go to a 3 year old birthday party. Oh, the humanity!!

No, it's weird. And when you step back and look at the pattern of behavior it's creepy.

But don't take my word for it. Someone who was there said it was creepy.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: akmarq on February 16, 2013, 03:46:05 PM
Quote from: keefe on February 16, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
Chicos we don't know Buzz or his kids because they stay out of the limelight. Crean opens his son up to criticism when he pulls stunts like giving the kid all the awards at his basketball camp or forcing staff to take an hour out of a work day to celebrate a 3 year old's birthday. Hell, he didn't even have enough cake for those forced to participate so they got the rare privilege of watching the Creans shovel cake down their gullets. There are scenes in Schindler's List and films centered on Japanese POW Camps where inmates are forced to participate in faux celebrations. That is the mental image I have of the forced fun birthday for young Ryan or Tyler or whatever the kid's name Crean. Might not be the kid's fault but he sure as hell is getting a very skewed perspective on life. That kid is going to be a major piece of modern art work when he grows up.

I cannot in any way imagine any superior in my personal experience bringing their infant child to work and forcing a department to celebrate the "milestone." Gary Wendt at GE Cap would have you fired for such stupidity as you clearly have compromised your ability to lead going forward. And forget about any Air Force officer doing that. It is simply unimaginable.

Trying to compare the workplace environment at a financial services corporation and a university athletic department is like comparing sports to military service...

Oh wait.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: keefe on February 16, 2013, 04:42:35 PM
Quote from: akmarq on February 16, 2013, 03:46:05 PM
like comparing sports to military service...

You obviously have never read anything about Vince Lombardi, Coach K, Bobby Knight, et al


Metaphors are based on a correspondence of two different concepts. Understanding and expressing one concept in terms of the other, metaphors achieve a cross-mapping from a source domain such as the military where leadership, strife, valor, and conquest are inherent to a target domain such as sports where those characteristics or qualities are desired by a simultaneous activation of the two domains involved. Metaphors often build a bridge from the known to the unknown, from the familiar to the unfamiliar. They help us understand and interact with phenomena which otherwise would be too abstract and too complex. It is therefore not surprising that in talking and writing about sports leadership military metaphors are widely used.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: akmarq on February 16, 2013, 04:51:28 PM
You weren't using a metaphor when you talked about GE. You were saying that If that happened at GE, that would be frowned upon. This is an argument through analogy. GE is similar to MU athletics. That celebration would be inappropriate at GE. Therefore that celebration is inappropriate at MU Athletics. Your first premise is faulty.

I know what a metaphor is. You did not use one.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: keefe on February 16, 2013, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: akmarq on February 16, 2013, 04:51:28 PM
You weren't using a metaphor when you talked about GE. You were saying that If that happened at GE, that would be frowned upon. This is an argument through analogy. GE is similar to MU athletics. That celebration would be inappropriate at GE. Therefore that celebration is inappropriate at MU Athletics. Your first premise is faulty.

I know what a metaphor is. You did not use one.

That is not what I was referencing. It was this statement by you, which I quoted:  "like comparing sports to military service..."

You may know what I metaphor is but that is not what I was speaking of...
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 16, 2013, 05:50:36 PM
Riley Crean.  Pure trouble.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: akmarq on February 16, 2013, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: keefe on February 16, 2013, 05:11:41 PM
That is not what I was referencing. It was this statement by you, which I quoted:  "like comparing sports to military service..."

You may know what I metaphor is but that is not what I was speaking of...

Alright. Fair enough. I just think the birthday party grudge is a little silly and it's a very big leap to use GE capital as an example to back up your point when someone disagrees with your assessment of the party.

Writing that sentence made me hate the internet.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 16, 2013, 05:57:16 PM
I can't stand this guy, but there's nothing wrong AT ALL with this! Jesus...some dumb bastard stopped and asked him to record this and he did a good job. Who cares where he's standing?

Btw, the birthday party story is an outrage...almost as bad as the summer camp thing
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: connie on February 16, 2013, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: elephantraker on February 16, 2013, 10:36:13 AM
Yawn....   Getting old this Crean bashing.. Acknowledge a classy attempt and move on
Agreed.
Title: Re: Tom Crean's message to MU
Post by: avid1010 on February 16, 2013, 07:17:26 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 12:53:21 PM
Then most should also know he went to a better school, better program and let us in tremendous shape, including giving the students something to cheer for which we haven't had in 30 years.  Or are they only selectively knowing?
yeah but he's a jerk. 
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