Let's take a breath and take a step back.
We have had some shots fall our way, and some fall dramatically against us. But with what seemed to be pegged as a "down year", we are a half of a game out of first place in arguably the best conference in the country. Our 3 remaining (currently) ranked opponents are at home where we hold one of the nation's longest winning streaks, and we have 4 very winnable games on the road. I would have been thrilled if someone told me that we would be in this position at the beginning of the year.
Take a long deep breath and get to work, Marquette. Let's string some wins together, play as a team and finish strong.
Yeah, I am not all that beat up about this loss. Losing on the road to a top 20 team happens.
I'm not really all that upset about losing at G-town. I had it on my list as a loss.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 11, 2013, 08:51:31 PM
Yeah, I am not all that beat up about this loss. Losing on the road to a top 20 team happens.
Agreed. 3 very quality wins sit infront of us in Pitt, Cuse and ND. Junior seems to be more comfortable at home, and Buzz has 5 days to straighten out DG.
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on February 11, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
Let's take a breath and take a step back.
We have had some shots fall our way, and some fall dramatically against us. But with what seemed to be pegged as a "down year", we are a half of a game out of first place in arguably the best conference in the country. Our 3 remaining (currently) ranked opponents are at home where we hold one of the nation's longest winning streaks, and we have 4 very winnable games on the road. I would have been thrilled if someone told me that we would be in this position at the beginning of the year.
Take a long deep breath and get to work, Marquette. Let's string some wins together, play as a team and finish strong.
YESSS!!! What he said.....
I'm not surprised we lost either, Georgetown is a good team, and winning on the road is tough. I'm very happy with the way the season has gone so far, I never would have guessed we would be in this position after seeing the Green Bay loss.
Get our heads screwed on tight this week in practice, get DG to throw an elbow at CO, strap up those camouflage Jordans and decide our own fate. It's a rare position to be in while playing in the Big East. There is no ceiling come March.
I think the issue for some is that the defense was non-existent against DePaul and was very poor outside the first five minutes tonight. Bad trend with a tough team coming to town.
Team lacks overall quickness and generally is devoid of bigtime talent. For them to even be in a discussion for a double bye in the BE Tourney is a testament to the overall league weakness.
Real Warriors don't make excuses.
Look, tonight was a winnable game and we should have won. It was the kind of game that we're going to see a lot of when we make the NCAAs. We're going to have to defeat teams like Georgetown if we intend to go anywhere in the tournament. This year, more than any I have seen in recent years, the tournament is wide open and if we get a run late, we can do some real damage.
I would stress that unless there's a big, immediate NCAA rule change, Marquette won't be playing ANY games at the Bradley Center. So take measure of the loss, figure out what we have to do to win outside Milwaukee County and, well, go do it!
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on February 11, 2013, 08:54:22 PM
Agreed. 3 very quality wins sit infront of us in Pitt, Cuse and ND. Junior seems to be more comfortable at home, and Buzz has 5 days to straighten out DG.
No way this team beats Cuse.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 11, 2013, 09:31:12 PM
Team lacks overall quickness and generally is devoid of bigtime talent. For them to even be in a discussion for a double bye in the BE Tourney is a testament to the overall league weakness.
Bingo!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 11, 2013, 09:31:12 PM
Team lacks overall quickness and generally is devoid of bigtime talent. For them to even be in a discussion for a double bye in the BE Tourney is a testament to the overall league weakness.
Or basketball in general. This tweet tonight sums it up pretty well. State of hoops not so good anymore, but it does make it exciting for a lot of teams...which I like.
https://twitter.com/ChrisTorrisi/status/301137415853187073
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on February 11, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
Let's take a breath and take a step back.
We have had some shots fall our way, and some fall dramatically against us. But with what seemed to be pegged as a "down year", we are a half of a game out of first place in arguably the best conference in the country. Our 3 remaining (currently) ranked opponents are at home where we hold one of the nation's longest winning streaks, and we have 4 very winnable games on the road. I would have been thrilled if someone told me that we would be in this position at the beginning of the year.
Take a long deep breath and get to work, Marquette. Let's string some wins together, play as a team and finish strong.
The problem is most of the time this team looks terrible on offense (primarily shooting, but that's half the offensive game). Even though we should make the tourney, if we play like this, we will win one game at the very best. I'd like to see some signs from my eyes that we will play better or at least a bit more consistently.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 11, 2013, 10:53:13 PM
Or basketball in general. This tweet tonight sums it up pretty well. State of hoops not so good anymore, but it does make it exciting for a lot of teams...which I like.
https://twitter.com/ChrisTorrisi/status/301137415853187073
Yeah, but college basketball's quality of play diminishing is still an issue, and the games are certainly not very pleasing to the eye.
Point guards make a team click and ours just are not at high enough level. We need a PG that can push the ball with some speed. I would rather see a turnover in tansition than 25 seconds into a bad half court offensive set. We need help at PG. I know eveyone was against Kory Lucious but his style of play is what we need IMO.
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2013, 08:52:43 PM
I'm not really all that upset about losing at G-town. I had it on my list as a loss.
I am! But it's more because it is the only game I get to go to in person, guaranteed, not because of the school. I would be pissed if I lived in any Big East city and we were 1-4 playing at their place, but that 2009 road win was sweet!
In General we played poorly but if a few plays go our way this game could have been very close. A few that come to mind are All were in the last 10 mintues of the game.
1)Vander having a 3 from the wing that was 80% down before it pops out with.
2)We make a def stop and Vander attempts to push the ball up the middle of the floor with guys on both sides and loses the ball.
3)Gtown misses 2 FT and we do not get the rebound and its out of bounds on us.
Another one from the 1st 1/2 that bothered me is (Jr does this allot) We get a def stop, and the rebound. Every Gt player is already moving up the court and JR decides to start running up the floor without the ball when they have no chance of a break and he catchs it looking back but running up the court and player steps in front of him and he travels. If I was the other coach I would do this all the time and would probably get 2-3 travels/turnover's in the back court every game. PG's should know when to push the ball and when to take care of it. If you are looking back and do not see any Defender's that should mean they are all in front of you and should not be sprinting up the floor without the ball looking backwards.
There is no crime with splitting with Georgetown. Everybody in the league would be thrilled with that, including Syracuse.
I agree we need to step back. Overall we are in a pretty good place. The terrible shooting and lazy passes are just so frustrating.....
Quote from: Goose on February 12, 2013, 07:06:51 AM
Point guards make a team click and ours just are not at high enough level. We need a PG that can push the ball with some speed. I would rather see a turnover in tansition than 25 seconds into a bad half court offensive set. We need help at PG. I know eveyone was against Kory Lucious but his style of play is what we need IMO.
+100000000000
It's a guards game, especially in today's day and age
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 12, 2013, 09:46:29 AM
+100000000000
It's a guards game, especially in today's day and age
Especially against the zone, our PG's can't shoot and are not quick enough to penetrate the lane to draw the defender. I think it is time to see how a Blue/Mayo guard combo works for 32 minutes a game.
Quote from: Goose on February 12, 2013, 07:06:51 AM
Point guards make a team click and ours just are not at high enough level. We need a PG that can push the ball with some speed. I would rather see a turnover in tansition than 25 seconds into a bad half court offensive set. We need help at PG. I know eveyone was against Kory Lucious but his style of play is what we need IMO.
Actually, Junior is actually very good in the open court (except, predictably, against Siva ) and can really push the ball on the break. He also attacks the rim quite well. His problem, like last night, is in the half-court game where he makes some poor decisions with the ball and is loose with his handle.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 12, 2013, 09:51:58 AM
Actually, Junior is actually very good in the open court (except, predictably, against Siva ) and can really push the ball on the break. He also attacks the rim quite well. His problem, like last night, is in the half-court game where he makes some poor decisions with the ball and is loose with his handle.
I think it's a stretch to say Cadougan is very good in the open court.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 12, 2013, 09:51:58 AM
Actually, Junior is actually very good in the open court (except, predictably, against Siva ) and can really push the ball on the break. He also attacks the rim quite well. His problem, like last night, is in the half-court game where he makes some poor decisions with the ball and is loose with his handle.
Only in transition is he average when attacking the rim.
I would go more with Jamil at the 5 and get more athletic. Unless we utilize the athleticism we will struggle. Mayo, Blue, Lockett, Anderson and Wilson woud be my lineup for long stretches. Our PG's hold us back and big men are not ready for the big boys.
There seems little doubt that Junior Cadougan is a great kid who has come up the hard way. There is no doubt that he and Coach Williams have a deep bond, and that Cadougan is Coach Williams on the floor. Coach Williams is old school ... rule number 1 is loyalty. Rule number 2 is to see rule number 1.
Personally, this long time Warrior fan thinks that is the way it should be.
Nonetheless, it is obvious that against high level, fast, athletic teams, Junior loses a rather significant degree of his effectiveness. The are lots of player changes/substitutions/alternatives Coach Williams could try. However, it seems that Coach Williams brought Cadougan to the dance, and that he is sticking with Junior to the end.