Cuse (8-2): @UCONN, @Seton Hall, Providence, Gtown, @Marquette, Lville, DePaul, @Gtown.
MU(8-2): @Gtown, PITT, @Seton Hall, @Nova, Cuse, Notre Dame, @Rutgers, @SJU
Gtown (7-3): MU, @Cincy, DePaul, @Cuse, @UCONN, Rutgers, @Nova, Cuse
PITT (8-4):@MU, Notre Dame, @SJU, USF, Nova, @DePaul
Notre Dame (7-4): DePaul, @Providence, @PITT, Cincy, @MU, SJU, Louisville
Louisville (7-4): SJU, @USF, Seton Hall, @DePaul, @Cuse, Cincy, Notre Dame
UCONN (6-4): Cuse, Nova, Cincy, @DePaul, Gtown, @Cincy, @USF, Providence
SJU (7-5): @Louisville, USF, PITT, @Providence, @Notre Dame, MU
Cincy (6-5): Nova, Gtown, @UCONN, @Notre Dame, UCONN, @Louisville, USF
Nova (6-5): @Cincy, @UCONN, Rutgers, MU, @Seton Hall, @PITT, Gtown
I'll let you guys draw your own conclusions, but no favorable schedules for anyone from here on out (other than PITT, arguably). The biggest takeaway for me was Gtown and Cuse facing off twice down the stretch, which could bode well for us.
I agree with PITT's looking most favorable. Makes this Saturday's game even more important.
Quote from: WarriorInDC on February 11, 2013, 08:14:05 AM
I agree with PITT's looking most favorable. Makes this Saturday's game even more important.
There's going to be a lot of shifting around over the next 3-4 games--Louisville is going to win four in a row over the next two weeks--but everything should even out by the end of the season in terms of strength of schedule and corresponding losses. If we just hold court, and win the games were supposed to--three of the five road games and two of the three home games--we'll land the double bye in style at 13-5.
i dont think marquette has ever won a game in BET when seeded in the top 4... am i right? 2006 we were 4 and lost to G Town, last year were 2 and lost to LVille.... not saying we want anything less than a top 4 finish, just interesting to see that record when we have got there.
Just the nature of the tournament. One of the silver linings to not getting a bye or double bye is that you can pick up more wins for your resume. The better-seeded teams don't have that opportunity. You start with a difficult game.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on February 11, 2013, 09:35:50 AM
Just the nature of the tournament. One of the silver linings to not getting a bye or double bye is that you can pick up more wins for your resume. The better-seeded teams don't have that opportunity. You start with a difficult game.
You also don't necessarily need that opportunity as a higher seed, which I'll take every day of the week.
I am hoping for solid finish and not worried about the double bye. I agree with Buzz that even though ranked and leading BE we are not in NCAA just yet. Team needs to stay focused and take care of some very serious remaining business. We could end up winning BE or end up with 7-8 losses if wheels fall off. Feel good that Buzz will keep guys focused but no easy ones in next month.
Pitt definitely has the easiest path.
Marquette really could win or could lose every single game remaining on the schedule. It should be a fun ride. I hope it starts with a nice one tonight against GTown. A group of us Charlotte folks are getting together to watch the win!
Quote from: Victor McCormick on February 11, 2013, 09:35:50 AM
Just the nature of the tournament. One of the silver linings to not getting a bye or double bye is that you can pick up more wins for your resume. The better-seeded teams don't have that opportunity. You start with a difficult game.
A top four BET seed equates to not needing additional wins to bolster your resume--only probably winning the tourney could move a #4 seed up a line come the end of march.
Quote from: windyplayer on February 10, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
Cuse (8-2): @UCONN, @Seton Hall, Providence, Gtown, @Marquette, Lville, DePaul, @Gtown.
MU(8-2): @Gtown, PITT, @Seton Hall, @Nova, Cuse, Notre Dame, @Rutgers, @SJU
Gtown (7-3): MU, @Cincy, DePaul, @Cuse, @UCONN, Rutgers, @Nova, Cuse
PITT (8-4):@MU, Notre Dame, @SJU, USF, Nova, @DePaul
Notre Dame (7-4): DePaul, @Providence, @PITT, Cincy, @MU, SJU, Louisville
Louisville (7-4): SJU, @USF, Seton Hall, @DePaul, @Cuse, Cincy, Notre Dame
UCONN (6-4): Cuse, Nova, Cincy, @DePaul, Gtown, @Cincy, @USF, Providence
SJU (7-5): @Louisville, USF, PITT, @Providence, @Notre Dame, MU
Cincy (6-5): Nova, Gtown, @UCONN, @Notre Dame, UCONN, @Louisville, USF
Nova (6-5): @Cincy, @UCONN, Rutgers, MU, @Seton Hall, @PITT, Gtown
My over-under numbers on losses for the top-6 teams and their most dangerous games:
Syracuse 2.5 @UConn, @ Marquette, Louisville, @ Georgetown
Marquette 2.5 @ Georgetown, @ Nova, Syracuse, @ St. John's
Georgetown 4.5 Marquette, @ Cincy, @ Syracuse, @ UConn, @ Nova, Syracuse
Pittsburgh 1.5 @ Marquette, Notre Dame, @ St. John's
Notre Dame 3.5 @ Pittsburgh, Cincy, @ Marquette, @ Louisville
Louisville 1.5 @ Syracuse, Cincy, Notre Dame
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 11, 2013, 10:56:58 AM
My over-under numbers on losses for the top-6 teams and their most dangerous games:
Syracuse 2.5 @UConn, @ Marquette, Louisville, @ Georgetown
Marquette 2.5 @ Georgetown, @ Nova, Syracuse, @ St. John's
Georgetown 4.5 Marquette, @ Cincy, @ Syracuse, @ UConn, @ Nova, Syracuse
Pittsburgh 1.5 @ Marquette, Notre Dame, @ St. John's
Notre Dame 3.5 @ Pittsburgh, Cincy, @ Marquette, @ Louisville
Louisville 1.5 @ Syracuse, Cincy, Notre Dame
Did you just SWAG it?
Hoyas really need you guys to beat Pitt. They might not lose another game in the regular season if you don't. Hoyas lose 2 games max the rest of the regular season.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on February 11, 2013, 05:53:50 PM
Hoyas really need you guys to beat Pitt. They might not lose another game in the regular season if you don't. Hoyas lose 2 games max the rest of the regular season.
Not so sure about that. I see four tough road games on the remaining schedule and a home game with Syracuse for Georgetown.
With all of these teams bunched so close together it is still anyone's BE to win. Wouldn't be shocked to see 14-4 win it all. It still looks like anyone from the group of MU, Georgetown, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville could still win this. The key is going to be who can win on the road. It's tough to win on the road against the best teams in the conference. We stole one when we won at Pitt, Syracuse stole one winning at Louisville. If any of those top five teams can "steal" one or two on the road against a top BE team they will have a great chance to win the conference.
Quote from: marquette09 on February 13, 2013, 12:45:20 AM
Not so sure about that. I see four tough road games on the remaining schedule and a home game with Syracuse for Georgetown.
With all of these teams bunched so close together it is still anyone's BE to win. Wouldn't be shocked to see 14-4 win it all. It still looks like anyone from the group of MU, Georgetown, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville could still win this. The key is going to be who can win on the road. It's tough to win on the road against the best teams in the conference. We stole one when we won at Pitt, Syracuse stole one winning at Louisville. If any of those top five teams can "steal" one or two on the road against a top BE team they will have a great chance to win the conference.
+1 Hoyas have 4 tough road games plus 'cuse at home; 2-3 is likely in those games
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 11, 2013, 10:56:58 AM
My over-under numbers on losses for the top-6 teams and their most dangerous games:
Syracuse 2.5 @UConn, @ Marquette, Louisville, @ Georgetown
Marquette 2.5 @ Georgetown, @ Nova, Syracuse, @ St. John's
Georgetown 4.5 Marquette, @ Cincy, @ Syracuse, @ UConn, @ Nova, Syracuse
Pittsburgh 1.5 @ Marquette, Notre Dame, @ St. John's
Notre Dame 3.5 @ Pittsburgh, Cincy, @ Marquette, @ Louisville
Louisville 1.5 @ Syracuse, Cincy, Notre Dame
Does GT really have 4 in a row on the road?
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 13, 2013, 09:23:53 AM
Does GT really have 4 in a row on the road?
No, but k8 upton is huge.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 13, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
No, but k8 upton is huge.
A little soft, don't you think?
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 11, 2013, 10:54:21 AM
A top four BET seed equates to not needing additional wins to bolster your resume--only probably winning the tourney could move a #4 seed up a line come the end of march.
I agree, and I know this. I was just responding to the comment that when we good get seeds we don't win as many games in the BET. Its the nature of the tournament.
Quote from: windyplayer on February 10, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
Cuse (8-2): @UCONN, @Seton Hall, Providence, Gtown, @Marquette, Lville, DePaul, @Gtown.
MU(8-2): @Gtown, PITT, @Seton Hall, @Nova, Cuse, Notre Dame, @Rutgers, @SJU
Gtown (7-3): MU, @Cincy, DePaul, @Cuse, @UCONN, Rutgers, @Nova, Cuse
PITT (8-4):@MU, Notre Dame, @SJU, USF, Nova, @DePaul
Notre Dame (7-4): DePaul, @Providence, @PITT, Cincy, @MU, SJU, Louisville
Louisville (7-4): SJU, @USF, Seton Hall, @DePaul, @Cuse, Cincy, Notre Dame
UCONN (6-4): Cuse, Nova, Cincy, @DePaul, Gtown, @Cincy, @USF, Providence
SJU (7-5): @Louisville, USF, PITT, @Providence, @Notre Dame, MU
Cincy (6-5): Nova, Gtown, @UCONN, @Notre Dame, UCONN, @Louisville, USF
Nova (6-5): @Cincy, @UCONN, Rutgers, MU, @Seton Hall, @PITT, Gtown
Glad to see ND get the road win last night @ Pitt. Never too early to do a little scoreboard watching and look at remaining schedules here on out.
It's absolutely huge to have ND and Cuse at home, but road games at non-contenders always concern me.
Quote from: Wade for President on February 19, 2013, 05:25:55 AM
Glad to see ND get the road win last night @ Pitt. Never too early to do a little scoreboard watching and look at remaining schedules here on out.
It's absolutely huge to have ND and Cuse at home, but road games at non-contenders always concern me.
I agree that we have to hold serve at home, because if we are still tied with Cuse entering Monday and that game basically serves as a two game swing since we only play once.
14-4 will probably win the conference, in my opinion the Cuse game is a must win. Even though we have some "easier" teams on the road it is still a tough place to play and to go 4-0 on the road down the stretch is asking a lot. So if we can get the two home games I like our chances of going 3-1 on the road to finish out and at least getting a share of the title if not winning it outright.
Just a few additional numbers from Pomeroy to handicap the odds .
Syracuse (75% chance of getting 13 wins; 45% chance of getting 14+ wins)
Louisville (85% chance of getting 13 wins; 35% chance of getting 14)
Marquette (60% chance of getting 13 wins; 25% chance of getting 14+)
Georgetown (52% chance of getting 13 wins; 17% chance of getting 14+)
Notre Dame (1% chance of getting 13 wins)
Obviously, any game involving two of these five teams will have a dramatic impact.
Quote from: Wade for President on February 19, 2013, 05:25:55 AM
Glad to see ND get the road win last night @ Pitt.
Why? Pitt winning was a much better outcome. We already had an effective 3 game advantage over Pitt since we swept them. A Pitt win would have pushed ND back three games as well.
I think if MU goes 5-1 down the stretch, in any combination, they win the conference. Beating Cuse makes things a lot easier, but I don't think it is necessary.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on February 19, 2013, 09:11:37 AM
Why? Pitt winning was a much better outcome. We already had an effective 3 game advantage over Pitt since we swept them. A Pitt win would have pushed ND back three games as well.
I think if MU goes 5-1 down the stretch, in any combination, they win the conference. Beating Cuse makes things a lot easier, but I don't think it is necessary.
Agreed that a Pitt win would have been better. One of the hotter teams in conference until that loss last night and last week the media clowns were drooling over the Panther's improvements which made MU's sweep of them valuable. Now, they look ordinary.
I see MU's best case as 13-5 but I fear a 12-6 finish which will place them far below where they could have finished given the way this league attempts to play basketball.
12-6. Book it!
Quote from: Warrior's Path on February 19, 2013, 09:02:49 AM
Just a few additional numbers from Pomeroy to handicap the odds .
Syracuse (75% chance of getting 13 wins; 45% chance of getting 14+ wins)
Louisville (85% chance of getting 13 wins; 35% chance of getting 14)
Marquette (60% chance of getting 13 wins; 25% chance of getting 14+)
Georgetown (52% chance of getting 13 wins; 17% chance of getting 14+)
Notre Dame (1% chance of getting 13 wins)
Obviously, any game involving two of these five teams will have a dramatic impact.
Odds stacked in our favor for a double bye and a decent shot at co-champs or better with the ability to control our own destiny - I'll take that on Feb. 19th every year!
No worse than 13-5. That schedule is just too favorable and this team tends to win the games it's supposed to (avert eyes from Green bay game...). 14-4 wins the Big East outright, IMO. Highly manageable. Only concern is Louisville winning out, but I think they fall @Cuse.
Cuse (9-3): Providence, Gtown, @Marquette, Lville, DePaul, @Gtown.
Gtown (9-3): DePaul, @Cuse, @UConn, Rutgers, @Nova, Cuse
MU(9-3): @Seton Hall, @Nova, Cuse, Notre Dame, @Rutgers, @SJU
Louisville (9-4): Seton Hall, @DePaul, @Cuse, Cincy, Notre Dame
Notre Dame (9-5): Cincy, @MU, SJU, Louisville
UConn (7-5): Cincy, @DePaul, Gtown, @Cincy, @USF, Providence
PITT (8-6):@SJU, USF, Nova, @DePaul
Nova (8-6): MU, @Seton Hall, @PITT, Gtown
SJU (7-6): USF, PITT, @Providence, @Notre Dame, MU
Cincy (7-6): @UConn, @Notre Dame, UConn, @Louisville, USF
Providence (6-7): @Cuse, @Rutgers, SJU, SHU, @UConn
Updated the list, and added Providence, who has enjoyed playing the role of spoiler the last few weeks.
TCOB tonight, and hopefully hold off a hungry 'Nova team on the road on Saturday. Sets up a huge game on Monday against the Orange.
Cuse still has Gtown twice and Louisville. hard to imagine they don't pick up at least 1 loss there. Gtown conversely has Cuse twice and UConn once, and at Nova.
While our schedule is tough, I think its the easiest road of the 9-3 teams. Lousville has it slightly easier but we have one less loss.
We are in as good a position as anybody to win this thing.
What makes fun for me this year is anything can happen. Good teams falling to lesser teams and doing so on regular basis. Seems like every night someone is going down. Truthfully have no idea where this all shakes out.
I hate playing this "no" win games
This game tonight can only hurt us. Compound that with our road struggles and I am pretty nervous about tonight
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on February 19, 2013, 11:48:40 AM
I hate playing this "no" win games
This game tonight can only hurt us. Compound that with our road struggles and I am pretty nervous about tonight
Given the way this season is going, a conference road win is big, no matter who it comes against. We've done a good job so far (in conference at least) of taking care of business and winning the games we should. I felt the same way as you did before the @USF game, and hoping that the team will show a similar urgency tonight. If they do, while no one will be saying this is a "great" win, it will bolster our case of being one of the most consistent teams in conference play--a pretty big honor this season.
Quote from: Goose on February 19, 2013, 11:46:11 AM
What makes fun for me this year is anything can happen. Good teams falling to lesser teams and doing so on regular basis. Seems like every night someone is going down. Truthfully have no idea where this all shakes out.
And that makes me nervous over the final six. We haven't had that "shock" moment as some other schools have. Maybe we haven't been in some losses, Louisville, or just played poorly enough to keep us from making it back or all the way back, Georgetown and Cincy, but there is no shock in any of those losses.
Hopefully we do not overlook either of these road games leading into big Monday.
Quote from: MUMonster03 on February 19, 2013, 01:03:08 PM
Hopefully we do not overlook either of these road games leading into big Monday.
I don't think losing at Villanova would constitute a "shock" loss. That game is a pick 'em as far as I'm concerned. Tonight is one of those games I hate. We need to win, we should win, but this is by no means a guaranteed W.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 19, 2013, 02:08:06 PM
I don't think losing at Villanova would constitute a "shock" loss. That game is a pick 'em as far as I'm concerned. Tonight is one of those games I hate. We need to win, we should win, but this is by no means a guaranteed W.
Didn't mean to make it sound like Villanova would be a bad loss. But I think it is a road game we can win as long as we are not looking ahead. Not sure if playing that game at the Wells Fargo Center helps or hurts, was hoping to make it this year but things didn't work out because trying to get tickets when they play on campus is difficult.
Hopefully our one loss that falls into that category happened awhile ago with UWGB, but you never know, the last team to beat Georgetown was USF.