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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on February 10, 2013, 01:53:49 AM

Title: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 10, 2013, 01:53:49 AM
1 IU, 2 Fla, 3 Mich and 5 Kansas (twice) all lost this week,  4 Duke still plays Sunday @BC
6 of the top 11 lost this week.  13 of the top 25, and again we have more games Sunday.

Welcome to NCAA basketball 2013.  Who wants to be #1 next week?  This year the top ranking is more the sacarficial lamb than a mark of a great program as the #1 team has lost (I believe) seven times this year (and counting).
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: nathanziarek on February 10, 2013, 08:48:36 AM
Without any great teams this year, the ranking have become self fulfilling. If you started high, you're pretty much staying there. Duke only dropped, what, 4 spots after being manhandled by Miami?
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: tower912 on February 10, 2013, 08:49:44 AM
Gonzaga and Miami should be 1-2.
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 10, 2013, 09:11:53 AM
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on February 10, 2013, 08:48:36 AM
Without any great teams this year, the ranking have become self fulfilling. If you started high, you're pretty much staying there. Duke only dropped, what, 4 spots after being manhandled by Miami?

Preseason and current ranking

Preseason             Current
1   Indiana (43)            1
2   Louisville (20)            12
3   Kentucky (2)            Unranked
4   Ohio State                  11
5   Michigan                  3
6   North Carolina State   Unranked
7   Kansas                   5
8   Duke                           4
9   Syracuse                   9
10   Florida                   2
11   North Carolina           Unranked
12   Arizona                   7
13   UCLA                           Unranked
14   Michigan State           12
15   Missouri                   21
16   Creighton                   16
17   Memphis                   Unranked
18   UNLV                           Unranked
19   Baylor                   Unranked
20   San Diego State           Unranked
21   Gonzaga                   6
22   Notre Dame                   25
23   Wisconsin                   Unranked
23   Connecticut           Unranked
24   Cincinnati                   17
25   Florida State           Unranked
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: DCWarriors04 on February 10, 2013, 09:13:14 AM
I thought Gonzaga was 6th this week
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 10, 2013, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on February 10, 2013, 09:13:14 AM
I thought Gonzaga was 6th this week

Typo - fixed
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 10, 2013, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 10, 2013, 09:11:53 AM
Preseason and current ranking

Preseason             Current
1   Indiana (43)            1
2   Louisville (20)            12
3   Kentucky (2)            Unranked
4   Ohio State                  11
5   Michigan                  3
6   North Carolina State   Unranked
7   Kansas                   5
8   Duke                           4
9   Syracuse                   9
10   Florida                   2
11   North Carolina           Unranked
12   Arizona                   7
13   UCLA                           Unranked
14   Michigan State           12
15   Missouri                   21
16   Creighton                   16
17   Memphis                   Unranked
18   UNLV                           Unranked
19   Baylor                   Unranked
20   San Diego State           Unranked
21   Gonzaga                   6
22   Notre Dame                   25
23   Wisconsin                   Unranked
23   Connecticut           Unranked
24   Cincinnati                   17
25   Florida State           Unranked

You mean the preseason poll is the most absurd and ridiculous poll out there and wrong to the point of high comedy?  Who would have thunk it.   ;D
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: hoyasincebirth on February 10, 2013, 12:31:38 PM
Actually  the ranking with the most predictive value for success in the NCAA tournament is the preseason AP poll. It' has much better record than than the last poll before the tournament.

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_pre-season_ap_poll_is_great (http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_pre-season_ap_poll_is_great)
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 10, 2013, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on February 10, 2013, 12:31:38 PM
Actually  the ranking with the most predictive value for success in the NCAA tournament is the preseason AP poll. It' has much better record than than the last poll before the tournament.

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_pre-season_ap_poll_is_great (http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_pre-season_ap_poll_is_great)

I believe that is only for Preseason #1, not the entire poll.  My beef with the AP and Coaches polls, especially preseason and for a good chunk of the year is that they miss so badly on teams even MAKING the postseason, forget about anything else.  These so called experts just look at the previous year, often look at the name on the front of the jersey, see who is coming back and bingo, there's the ranking. If it was only that easy.  It's the same reason why experts who claim the Lakers will win the title this year were so badly mistaken.  Or USC as number 1 in football...oops.  Etc, etc.  Personally, I think the polls are basically nonsense until later in the season.  Ken Pom might be right about #1 preseason by and large doing well in the post season, but the misses up and down the top 25 are embarrassing every year by these guys.
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: buckchuckler on February 10, 2013, 08:33:17 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 10, 2013, 10:59:16 AM
You mean the preseason poll is the most absurd and ridiculous poll out there and wrong to the point of high comedy?  Who would have thunk it.   ;D

And to think that it is critically important for football. 
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 10, 2013, 08:36:27 PM
Quote from: tower912 on February 10, 2013, 08:49:44 AM
Gonzaga and Miami should be 1-2.

Gonzaga lost to that terrible Illinois team...at Gonzaga.  Miami lost to Florida Gulf Coast.

I mention this only to show any team can have a hiccup...especially if they don't make adjustments.
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: keefe on February 10, 2013, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 10, 2013, 08:36:27 PM
Gonzaga lost to that terrible Illinois team...at Gonzaga.  

Illinois was ranked #13 at that time. I wouldn't call it a bad win by any stretch.

Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: augoman on February 10, 2013, 08:52:32 PM
as I believe they were when Northwestern beat them.
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: brewcity77 on February 10, 2013, 09:04:02 PM
Add Arizona to the list of teams to fall, lost by 8 to Cal at home.
Title: Re: Carnage among ranked teams
Post by: keefe on February 10, 2013, 09:11:51 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2013, 09:04:02 PM
Add Arizona to the list of teams to fall, lost by 8 to Cal at home.

Wow. Did the Arizona students rush the court in anger?
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