http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=3118
"2. JaJuan Johnson, SG
Signed with Marquette
ESPN 100: No. 64
Johnson is one of those guys I can't ignore my gut feeling on. He's athletically gifted and can defend, but my sense is that his game and body haven't synced up yet. There's a hint of Iman Shumpert in his game. I'd rather be on the record with him than miss the boat. "
Quote from: MtAiryGoldenEagle on January 30, 2013, 09:59:51 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=3118
"2. JaJuan Johnson, SG
Signed with Marquette
ESPN 100: No. 64
Johnson is one of those guys I can't ignore my gut feeling on. He's athletically gifted and can defend, but my sense is that his game and body haven't synced up yet. There's a hint of Iman Shumpert in his game. I'd rather be on the record with him than miss the boat. "
For the love of God I hope he shows or Buzz might pull a Crean and bolt
Quote from: keefe on January 30, 2013, 11:05:55 PM
For the love of God I hope he shows or Buzz might pull a Crean and bolt
1) Why would he not show?
2) Why would Buzz bolt? He's got a senior laden team best year with 3 top 60 recruits (if you include McKay) even if Johnson doesn't show.
Silly post.
I believe he's also signed a letter of intent so he isn't going anywhere without our release first.
think he was joking and forgot to use teal.
Quote from: JoBo2756 on January 30, 2013, 11:23:12 PM
think he was joking and forgot to use teal.
I hope so. These so-called recruiting "experts" miss all the time. I cant figure out why people follow them...
Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2013, 11:12:06 PM
1) Why would he not show?
2) Why would Buzz bolt? He's got a senior laden team best year with 3 top 60 recruits (if you include McKay) even if Johnson doesn't show.
Silly post.
Losing Iman broke Crean's back at Marquette.
Quote from: PTM on January 30, 2013, 11:40:28 PM
Losing Iman broke Crean's back at Marquette.
Yeah I know that's what they say. But Tom Crean also left for a historically better program. One of the best programs in the history of Men's College Basketball. He didn't just leave to get out of town at the first phone call because Iman passed on Marquette. If Iman had committed and IU still had come calling Crean would have been at IU and taken Iman with him. Or left him behind if Iman chose that route.
If Buzz is going to leave it's not going to be because 1 recruit turned him down. It'll be because he found a better place for himself, whether it's administration that better suits him, closer to home, a better program, or other reasons.
In college BBALL recruiting is 75% of a team success and coaching is 25%. So if you can goto a school were its easier to land top 50 player's year in and year out, more then likely you are going to win more. Indiana has as a state has more bball talent and IU is the biggest BBALL school in the state.
Quote from: PTM on January 30, 2013, 11:40:28 PM
Losing Iman broke Crean's back at Marquette.
Crean was, is, and always will be, spineless.
I worry about this too but at the end of the day recruits want to go where a great coach is; it's a chicken and egg thing...does the coach make the school a destination or does the school being a destination bring the coach. Can def go both ways
Shumpert would have came to MU had all gone according to plan and DJ went pro early, right? I don't blame Shumpert for not wanting to sit on the bench behind those three.
Quote from: keefe on January 30, 2013, 11:05:55 PM
For the love of God I hope he shows or Buzz might pull a Crean and bolt
The only way he DOESN'T show is if Buzz pulls a Crean and bolts.
He's shooting up the rankings, at #31 in Scout's most recent publishing - borderline 5 star material. He's gonna be really good fit for us.
Scout also rated Embiid #61 in their most update. That one makes my heart hurt. Would have taken an already amazing class to a surefire title contender.
Quote from: PTM on January 30, 2013, 11:40:28 PM
Losing Iman broke Crean's back at Marquette.
TC saw the writing on the wall. Even those who supported him wondered why recruiting was so inconsistent. He got out while the gettin was good.
Even Indiana boards are onto him, questioning his coaching ability. If he wastes the opportunity Zeller has give him to win a NC, IU fans will get restless.
hey cool, a post on a recruit is turning into yet another crean pissing thread - who would have guessed?
Really, now he HAS to win an NC for a program with such little NCAA success in the past decade? I know its Indiana, but that's a bit strong. If he can get them to an Elite 8 in the next two years he'll be fine.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 31, 2013, 10:22:06 AM
Even Indiana boards are onto him, questioning his coaching ability. If he wastes the opportunity Zeller has give him to win a NC, IU fans will get restless.
But there will be a championship in his family after this weekend. I wonder if they'll let him try on the ring. I have a comical picture in my mind of family gathering and TC showing up at the door, and the losing brother holding out his hand, and Tom moving past him and giving a big hug to the winner.
What's the over/under on the number of times TC's mug is flashed on the tube?
Quote from: mu-rara on January 31, 2013, 10:22:06 AM
TC saw the writing on the wall. Even those who supported him wondered why recruiting was so inconsistent. He got out while the gettin was good.
If Crean hadn't left for Indiana, or anywhere else, he would still be coaching at MU. Mbakwe probably stays...Tyshawn Taylor comes on campus...all would have been fine.
Not really.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 31, 2013, 10:37:25 AM
If Crean hadn't left for Indiana, or anywhere else, he would still be coaching at MU. Mbakwe probably stays...Tyshawn Taylor comes on campus...all would have been fine.
Mbakwe was out the door if Crean stayed. Briefly reconsidered when he left. As to things being "fine", perhaps - but not as fine as they are.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2013, 11:01:11 AM
Mbakwe was out the door if Crean stayed. Briefly reconsidered when he left. As to things being "fine", perhaps - but not as fine as they are.
I don't doubt that...but the "getting out while the getting was good" is nonsense.
So, how about that Jajuan Johnson kid? I hear he's pretty good!
Quote from: mu-rara on January 31, 2013, 10:22:06 AM
TC saw the writing on the wall. Even those who supported him wondered why recruiting was so inconsistent. He got out while the gettin was good.
Even Indiana boards are onto him, questioning his coaching ability. If he wastes the opportunity Zeller has give him to win a NC, IU fans will get restless.
Right, because every coach that has had an above average center wasted their opportunity when they didn't win the National Title.
Settle down with the hate.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 31, 2013, 10:37:25 AM
If Crean hadn't left for Indiana, or anywhere else, he would still be coaching at MU. Mbakwe probably stays...Tyshawn Taylor comes on campus...all would have been fine.
OK,
the got out while the getting was good part was overstated. I stand by the rest of the post.
Not a Crean hater at all. I only added to the TC comments because if the Iman comparisons. I think questioning TC's recruiting at MU is valid. Very inconsistent.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on January 31, 2013, 09:53:10 AM
He's shooting up the rankings, at #31 in Scout's most recent publishing - borderline 5 star material. He's gonna be really good fit for us.
Scout also rated Embiid #61 in their most update. That one makes my heart hurt. Would have taken an already amazing class to a surefire title contender.
Actually, the summer RSCI (dated 9/16/12) already listed him at #31 in Scout. So he's holding steady.
Meanwhile, so your head doens't hurt quite as much--Vander Blue was rated as high as #24 out of HS and Jamil Wilson #23 (both Rivals final ranking). If those players haven't turned us into a "surefire title contender", #31 Johnson and #61 Embiid wouldn't either. We'd be a pretty good team, but our path to a title is going to require a lucky break or two.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 31, 2013, 01:29:50 PM
Not a Crean hater at all. I only added to the TC comments because if the Iman comparisons. I think questioning TC's recruiting at MU is valid. Very inconsistent.
It wasn't just Iman--Watford was another that wouldn't play at MU.
Buzz hasn't broken that same recruiting ceiling, either. He may very well come to the same conclusion as Crean if he goes hard but misses out on Stone and Looney--especially given the advantage that they're local.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 31, 2013, 12:07:07 AM
Yeah I know that's what they say. But Tom Crean also left for a historically better program. One of the best programs in the history of Men's College Basketball. He didn't just leave to get out of town at the first phone call because Iman passed on Marquette. If Iman had committed and IU still had come calling Crean would have been at IU and taken Iman with him. Or left him behind if Iman chose that route.
This.
The whole "Crean left because he couldn't land Shumpert" thing is overplayed. It's not as if Shumpert were first highly touted prospect Crean recruited hard but didn't land (Butch, Fraser, Scheyer, etc.)
Crean left because Indiana missed on its first couple coaching targets and then offered him the job. If Indiana had landed Tony Bennett or Sean Miller, Crean might still be at Marquette.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 31, 2013, 02:50:55 PM
Actually, the summer RSCI (dated 9/16/12) already listed him at #31 in Scout. So he's holding steady.
Meanwhile, so your head doens't hurt quite as much--Vander Blue was rated as high as #24 out of HS and Jamil Wilson #23 (both Rivals final ranking). If those players haven't turned us into a "surefire title contender", #31 Johnson and #61 Embiid wouldn't either. We'd be a pretty good team, but our path to a title is going to require a lucky break or two.
One guy (a Blue or a Wilson for example) does not a recruiting class make.
Had we signed Embid, this year's class would have included four 4* high school seniors and a likely first team juco AA. Better still, it would be balanced (PG, C, PF, 2 switchables). That gives you a much better shot than one or two 4* guys a year.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2013, 03:04:50 PM
One guy (a Blue or a Wilson for example) does not a recruiting class make.
Had we signed Embid, this year's class would have included four 4* high school seniors and a likely first team juco AA. Better still, it would be balanced (PG, C, PF, 2 switchables). That gives you a much better shot than one or two 4* guys a year.
More balanced definitely. But wasn't there some article a year or 2 ago about how only like 1 team in forever has won a National Championship without a McD's All American on its roster? 4 stars make a consistent, competitive team program, but not a National Champion team.
Quote from: Litehouse on January 31, 2013, 01:02:29 PM
So, how about that Jajuan Johnson kid? I hear he's pretty good!
Please, stick to the off-topic of Crean or start your own JJ thread.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2013, 03:04:50 PM
One guy (a Blue or a Wilson for example) does not a recruiting class make.
Had we signed Embid, this year's class would have included four 4* high school seniors and a likely first team juco AA. Better still, it would be balanced (PG, C, PF, 2 switchables). That gives you a much better shot than one or two 4* guys a year.
A good class--but not a "surefire title contender"--at least not for 3 or 4 years.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 31, 2013, 04:37:51 PM
A good class--but not a "surefire title contender"--at least not for 3 or 4 years.
Not a sure fire title contender, but on paper the best MU class in more than 30 years. If it only turns out good (borderline top 25 every year and only a couple of NCAA wins in 4 years ala the 3 amigos) I (and most Scoopers, I suspect) will be disappointed - and that's without Embid.
It's too bad that writers on this board are often cynical and sarcastic and/or negative about MU basketball.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 31, 2013, 03:23:20 PM
More balanced definitely. But wasn't there some article a year or 2 ago about how only like 1 team in forever has won a National Championship without a McD's All American on its roster? 4 stars make a consistent, competitive team program, but not a National Champion team.
Maryland in 2002
Quote from: wadesworld on January 31, 2013, 03:23:20 PM
More balanced definitely. But wasn't there some article a year or 2 ago about how only like 1 team in forever has won a National Championship without a McD's All American on its roster? 4 stars make a consistent, competitive team program, but not a National Champion team.
I think that might be changing with the State of college basketball though. With some of the runs that we've seen to the final 4 by the likes of George Mason, VCU, Butler x2. There is so much more parity in college basketball and the one and done rule has completely changed the way teams are built. I wouldn't be surprised to see more teams without McD's AA to start winning championships.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 31, 2013, 02:50:55 PM
Actually, the summer RSCI (dated 9/16/12) already listed him at #31 in Scout. So he's holding steady.
Meanwhile, so your head doens't hurt quite as much--Vander Blue was rated as high as #24 out of HS and Jamil Wilson #23 (both Rivals final ranking). If those players haven't turned us into a "surefire title contender", #31 Johnson and #61 Embiid wouldn't either. We'd be a pretty good team, but our path to a title is going to require a lucky break or two.
It wasn't just Iman--Watford was another that wouldn't play at MU.
Buzz hasn't broken that same recruiting ceiling, either. He may very well come to the same conclusion as Crean if he goes hard but misses out on Stone and Looney--especially given the advantage that they're local.
So if Buzz doesnt land on one kid who is being recruited by the likes of Coach K and the other is ranked #1 at his position IN THE COUNTRY.....Buzz can't make it here? Got it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2013, 04:58:09 PM
Not a sure fire title contender, but on paper the best MU class in more than 30 years. If it only turns out good (borderline top 25 every year and only a couple of NCAA wins in 4 years ala the 3 amigos) I (and most Scoopers, I suspect) will be disappointed - and that's without Embid.
Exactly my point. You should have stopped there and simply said you agree.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 31, 2013, 08:14:55 PM
Exactly my point. You should have stopped there and simply said you agree.
Don't be so greedy. Celebrate when someone even partially agrees with you. It doesn't happen often.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2013, 03:04:50 PM
One guy (a Blue or a Wilson for example) does not a recruiting class make.
Had we signed Embid, this year's class would have included four 4* high school seniors and a likely first team juco AA. Better still, it would be balanced (PG, C, PF, 2 switchables). That gives you a much better shot than one or two 4* guys a year.
Thank you. I'm not talking JJJ and Embijd in a vacuum. To add to what you said Steve Taylor & Juan Anderson as seasoned vets. And I'm not talking just next year either, I meant at some point in their careers. As is, I think this group has E8/FF potential. Add a guy like Stone or a stud JUCO center to the mix and they have no ceiling. Not only are they all extremely talented, but their skill sets are diverse and they fit the current/future roster like a glove and fit Buzz' system perfectly.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on January 31, 2013, 08:34:06 PM
Thank you. I'm not talking JJJ and Embijd in a vacuum. To add to what you said Steve Taylor & Juan Anderson as seasoned vets. And I'm not talking just next year either, I meant at some point in their careers. As is, I think this group has E8/FF potential. Add a guy like Stone or a stud JUCO center to the mix and they have no ceiling. Not only are they all extremely talented, but their skill sets are diverse and they fit the current/future roster like a glove and fit Buzz' system perfectly.
I see you've walked back "surefire title contender" down to "E8/FF potential at some point in their careers".
That's hedging things just a bit. ;)
Perhaps you recognized that as good as our class is, its only ranked 13th on ESPN right now. There will likely be 20 or teams--possibly more--with similar talent levels coupled with equal and/or better returning talent.
Not to mention the handful of teams (UK, Florida, Duke, Memphis, UNC, Kansas, Michigan, Ohio State, Arizona, and IU) which will probably have more/better talent.
If we want to get over the hump and be taken as a serious contender, it will take landing a player or two like Stone--which you seem to recognize now as well.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2013, 08:28:58 PM
Don't be so greedy. Celebrate when someone even partially agrees with you. It doesn't happen often.
Yay. :D
Thought Crean was turning a corner after barely missing out on a Sweet Sixteen. Had the three amigos coming back too. The inability to land the elite big man must have frustrated him. Seeing this trend continue with Buzz is concerning. Hopefully McKay gets in and if we can get Stone and/or Looney this could be the start of an amazing run and give Buzz the confidence that he can stay and win big at MU.
Wilson
Burton
J. Johnson
McKay
Looney
Stone
Taylor
:o
Quote from: Stone Cold on January 31, 2013, 09:59:51 PM
Thought Crean was turning a corner after barely missing out on a Sweet Sixteen. Had the three amigos coming back too. The inability to land the elite big man must have frustrated him. Seeing this trend continue with Buzz is concerning. Hopefully McKay gets in and if we can get Stone and/or Looney this could be the start of an amazing run and give Buzz the confidence that he can stay and win big at MU.
Wilson
Burton
J. Johnson
McKay
Looney
Stone
Taylor
:o
At this point, no one can say for certain that Looney
isn't coming to MU. Still, If anyone wants to bet, I'll put down anything that I can scrape together that he goes elsewhere.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 31, 2013, 10:08:11 PM
At this point, no one can say for certain that Looney isn't coming to MU. Still, If anyone wants to bet, I put down anything that I can scrape together that he goes elsewhere.
4ever never speaks with forked tongue, so I'd say we're a long shot.
Looney is coming to MU as is Stone for the Milwaukee kids taking on the rest of the NCAA, that would be pretty interesting! 5 potential Milwaukee starters!
Quote from: Stone Cold on January 31, 2013, 09:59:51 PM
Thought Crean was turning a corner after barely missing out on a Sweet Sixteen. Had the three amigos coming back too. The inability to land the elite big man must have frustrated him. Seeing this trend continue with Buzz is concerning. Hopefully McKay gets in and if we can get Stone and/or Looney this could be the start of an amazing run and give Buzz the confidence that he can stay and win big at MU.
Wilson
Burton
J. Johnson
McKay
Looney
Stone
Taylor
:o
A little TWITTAAAAAAAAAAA TRACKAAAAAAA re: Jameel.
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@PeterAlford love him. Big time motor/energy. Rebounds it very well, finishes around the rim
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 31, 2013, 11:42:03 PM
Looney is coming to MU as is Stone for the Milwaukee kids taking on the rest of the NCAA, that would be pretty interesting! 5 potential Milwaukee starters!
McKay is coming in as a junior. He'll be gone by the time Stone arrives. And like others, I think Looney is highly unlikely.
Quote from: keefe on January 30, 2013, 11:05:55 PM
For the love of God I hope he shows or Buzz might pull a Crean and bolt
Also posted Butler beats #9 Butler. I remember my first beer!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2013, 10:24:55 PM
4ever never speaks with forked tongue, so I'd say we're a long shot.
Just been repeatin' what I've been told directly. Then again, absolutely no one has a source more credible than mine.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 01, 2013, 05:07:41 AM
McKay is coming in as a junior. He'll be gone by the time Stone arrives. And like others, I think Looney is highly unlikely.
It is all about selling the Milwaukee kids to stay home, Wilson and Burton are the key to doing that, kids recruit as well as the coach. Al always did that, Chones and Lucas went
down to recruit Bo Ellis. Hopefully this summer, they play lots of hoops at the Al.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 31, 2013, 09:33:08 PM
I see you've walked back "surefire title contender" down to "E8/FF potential at some point in their careers".
That's hedging things just a bit. ;)
Perhaps you recognized that as good as our class is, its only ranked 13th on ESPN right now. There will likely be 20 or teams--possibly more--with similar talent levels coupled with equal and/or better returning talent.
Not to mention the handful of teams (UK, Florida, Duke, Memphis, UNC, Kansas, Michigan, Ohio State, Arizona, and IU) which will probably have more/better talent.
If we want to get over the hump and be taken as a serious contender, it will take landing a player or two like Stone--which you seem to recognize now as well.
Not in the least. I said the current 2013 class AS IS has E8/FF potential. Add Embiid, the missing piece, and they're title contenders considering they'd be playing with a seasoned Anderson & Taylor for two years. Not that hard to follow. I hedged nothing. Now they need to add a center like Stone or a stud JUCO to fill in that gap in the middle when Davante & Chris leave to contend for a title since we didn't land Embiid.
From Telep today:
Marquette likes those Chicago guys
It makes sense that Marquette recruits hard in Chicago. It's a geographical fit and an option for Windy City kids who want to get away, but not too far away. Dwyane Wade is the biggest Chicago success story for the Golden Eagles, and Marquette has Chicagoan Steve Taylor on the roster this season.
So it shocks no one to hear among insiders that the most ardent pursuer of ESPN 60 junior forward Paul White (Chicago/Whitney Young) is, you guessed it, Buzz Williams.
Quote from: LAZER on February 01, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
From Telep today:
Marquette likes those Chicago guys
It makes sense that Marquette recruits hard in Chicago. It's a geographical fit and an option for Windy City kids who want to get away, but not too far away. Dwyane Wade is the biggest Chicago success story for the Golden Eagles, and Marquette has Chicagoan Steve Taylor on the roster this season.
So it shocks no one to hear among insiders that the most ardent pursuer of ESPN 60 junior forward Paul White (Chicago/Whitney Young) is, you guessed it, Buzz Williams.
Would really like to see him kick off the 2014 class with a verbal soon.
Quote from: LAZER on February 01, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
From Telep today:
Marquette likes those Chicago guys
It makes sense that Marquette recruits hard in Chicago. It's a geographical fit and an option for Windy City kids who want to get away, but not too far away. Dwyane Wade is the biggest Chicago success story for the Golden Eagles, and Marquette has Chicagoan Steve Taylor on the roster this season.
So it shocks no one to hear among insiders that the most ardent pursuer of ESPN 60 junior forward Paul White (Chicago/Whitney Young) is, you guessed it, Buzz Williams.
Paul White may trick some of those around here thinking we finally inked a traditional.
i saw him play on TV, tall, lanky and a lot of room for improvement, he needs to add 30 to 40 lbs., as skinny as Juan Anderson.
I had to google Paul White to get more info, and came up with this...
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/tech/post/_/id/2769/the-big-show-talks-wwe-13-attitude-era
We could use his size.
Quote from: Litehouse on February 01, 2013, 02:36:46 PM
I had to google Paul White to get more info, and came up with this...
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/tech/post/_/id/2769/the-big-show-talks-wwe-13-attitude-era
We could use his size.
Davante hopes we land this guy, that's for sure. Then DG will be known as "Mr. Slim."