And this means the ACC is at high risk of being raided again
Gee told Athletic Council Big Ten expansion talks "ongoing
http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/blogging-the-buckeyes/2013/01/gee-to-athletic-council-big-ten-expansion-talks-ongoing.html
Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee told the school's Athletic Council in December that discussions about further expansion for the Big Ten conference are "ongoing."
In November, the league announced the addition of Maryland from the Atlantic Coast Conference and Rutgers from the Big East. Nebraska joined the Big Ten for the 2011-12 school year after leaving the Big 12.
It doesn't appear that the Big Ten is necessarily content to stay at 14 members. According to the minutes of the Dec. 5 Athletic Council meeting obtained by the Dispatch, Gee said "there has been ongoing discussion" about expansion and "believes there is movement towards three or four super conferences that are made up of 16-20 teams."
When a student member of the Athletic Council asked Gee what direction the Big Ten might take, Gee said "there are opportunities to move further south in the (E)ast and possibly a couple of Midwest universities."
He did not specify any potential targets but said they will make sure any new school has "like-minded academic integrity."
The Athletic Council is expected to recommend formally today an increase in Ohio State football ticket prices from $70 to $79 with the addition of "premier" games that would cost significantly more. The board of trustees is expected to vote on the proposal late next week.
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Marquette to the B1G.
Buzz to USC
Quote from: wadesworld on January 26, 2013, 12:31:48 AM
Marquette to the B1G.
The article did say they were looking at some eastern and midwest schools. I get the eastern part, that is raiding the ACC.
But, assuming the are not ready to take basketball only, I have to assume those schools are ND and Missouri. Problem is they both just jumped to new conferences. If not them, who? I cannot believe they are considering Cincy.
Any ideas.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 26, 2013, 07:27:00 AM
The article did say they were looking at some eastern and midwest schools. I get the eastern part, that is raiding the ACC.
But, assuming the are not ready to take basketball only, I have to assume those schools are ND and Missouri. Problem is they both just jumped to new conferences. If not them, who? I cannot believe they are considering Cincy.
Any ideas.
Without a doubt, Notre Dame.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 26, 2013, 07:27:00 AM
The article did say they were looking at some eastern and midwest schools. I get the eastern part, that is raiding the ACC.
But, assuming the are not ready to take basketball only, I have to assume those schools are ND and Missouri. Problem is they both just jumped to new conferences. If not them, who? I cannot believe they are considering Cincy.
Any ideas.
One idea, which has been discussed before in various media: North Carolina.
Academically, it is considered "like-minded" to the top Big Ten schools. It has top-tier athletics. And it provides the extra bonus of dealing a severe blow to the ACC if it happens. Aside from Notre Dame, UNC makes more sense than any other school mentioned as possible Big Ten targets.
This has been a topic of worry in N.C., with the general feeling being that if UNC goes, the ACC would fall apart -- similar to what would have happened to the Big 12 had Texas left a couple years ago.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 26, 2013, 07:27:00 AM
The article did say they were looking at some eastern and midwest schools. I get the eastern part, that is raiding the ACC.
But, assuming the are not ready to take basketball only, I have to assume those schools are ND and Missouri. Problem is they both just jumped to new conferences. If not them, who? I cannot believe they are considering Cincy.
Any ideas.
Kansas.
As has been discussed before...
If there is a school out there that the BIG10 thinks will help them make more money, they will add them.
At this point, that does not include MU or any basketball-only schools.
In 5 years, I have no idea what the landscape will look like.
Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2013, 08:10:41 AM
One idea, which has been discussed before in various media: North Carolina.
Academically, it is considered "like-minded" to the top Big Ten schools. It has top-tier athletics. And it provides the extra bonus of dealing a severe blow to the ACC if it happens. Aside from Notre Dame, UNC makes more sense than any other school mentioned as possible Big Ten targets.
This has been a topic of worry in N.C., with the general feeling being that if UNC goes, the ACC would fall apart -- similar to what would have happened to the Big 12 had Texas left a couple years ago.
UNC is a state school. If they move the state legislature has to approve. The NC legislature has tons of NC State alum. They are demanding that UNC and NC State are a packaged deal. They have to both move to a new conference. That is a deal killer.
After that Virginia is high on the list of B1G targets.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 26, 2013, 08:35:38 AM
Kansas.
Makes sense but since this is about football, Kansas State makes more sense.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 26, 2013, 08:45:39 AM
Makes sense but since this is about football, Kansas State makes more sense.
But it's not just about football...otherwise Maryland and Rutgers make no sense. Kansas is a better academic fit and has four times the endowment as KSU. Similar to the difference between Iowa and Iowa State. Both are fine schools, but Kansas is better.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 26, 2013, 09:11:17 AM
But it's not just about football...otherwise Maryland and Rutgers make no sense. Kansas is a better academic fit and has four times the endowment as KSU. Similar to the difference between Iowa and Iowa State. Both are fine schools, but Kansas is better.
It may not be 100 percent about football, but it sure isn't about academics or endowments either. Maryland and Rutgers are only decent schools with unimpressive endowments.
Maryland and Rutgers were added to expandg the Big ? presence (and network) into those markets. Academic fit is simply the bull---- rationale the college presidents use to convince themselves it's anything more than a money grab.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 26, 2013, 08:45:39 AM
Makes sense but since this is about football, Kansas State makes more sense.
You're right but you're wrong. This is about football, but it's not about good football. Basically, here's the Big Teen checklist:
- Are you a state school?
- Do you have a football program?
- Are you an AAU member?
.
Kansas can answer yes to all of those. K-State cannot. The only reason Notre Dame is an exception is because they have a following that eclipses most state schools and they would probably be given AAU membership with the support of the Big Teen schools.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 26, 2013, 09:57:12 AM
You're right but you're wrong. This is about football, but it's not about good football. Basically, here's the Big Teen checklist:
- Are you a state school?
- Do you have a football program?
- Are you an AAU member?
.
You're forgetting the #1 question: How big is your TV market?
I hope Larry is using his back channels to let Duke know that if they are looking for a place to land, we are willing to consider it. ;D
I think its widely held that the top targets are ND, UNC, UVA.
I personally have to think that the poaching wouldn't get beyond ND and UVA - unless UVA faces some of the same difficulties breaking away from VATech that would likely block UNC.
If things get outside those top 3, who else would be on the radar? FSU and Duke would be tops for bringing TV value. Does BC have enough pull on the Boston market to be worth it? Would a school like Tenn be willing to leave the SEC?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 26, 2013, 10:24:47 AM
You're forgetting the #1 question: How big is your TV market?
If you are a state school, you have the entire state. Nebraska has a population of less than 2M but met all of the above qualifications. Kansas would be a lock for Big Teen interest, as would North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia Tech.
If ND joined the Big 10, they would probably have to give up their monopoly TV deal with NBC. ND doesn't share; it's all about ND and screw everybody else. In that sense, they're a lot like Texas & their Longhorn network.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 26, 2013, 10:59:02 AM
If you are a state school, you have the entire state. Nebraska has a population of less than 2M but met all of the above qualifications. Kansas would be a lock for Big Teen interest, as would North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia Tech.
The TV markets that UNC, Virginia and G Tech bring are much larger that what Kansas delivers. I think that makes them more attractive than the Jayhawks.
This is another reason why I think the B7 should stay small for now, just take X and Butler and stay at 9. There might be better opportunities in the next few years depending on how everything plays out.
I hate this for everything it stands for: greed, destruction of traditions, trampling of smaller schools.
The NCAA tournament provided the opportunity for the little guy to win it all.
Are these mega conferences (read: large state schools) finally going to render the small private school as insignificant, competitive options?
Quote from: Litehouse on January 26, 2013, 11:28:22 AM
This is another reason why I think the B7 should stay small for now, just take X and Butler and stay at 9. There might be better opportunities in the next few years depending on how everything plays out.
I've said this all along. Why settle for Dayton and SLU when things are still moving? What is the rush to get in a conference with them?
Quote from: MARQ_13 on January 26, 2013, 11:56:08 AM
I've said this all along. Why settle for Dayton and SLU when things are still moving? What is the rush to get in a conference with them?
Because a television partner, such as Fox, wants content.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 26, 2013, 09:28:13 AM
It may not be 100 percent about football, but it sure isn't about academics or endowments either. Maryland and Rutgers are only decent schools with unimpressive endowments.
Maryland and Rutgers were added to expandg the Big ? presence (and network) into those markets. Academic fit is simply the bull---- rationale the college presidents use to convince themselves it's anything more than a money grab.
Oh I agree that this is their primary aim. But academics is one of the reasons that they would look at one program over another.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 26, 2013, 08:44:28 AM
UNC is a state school. If they move the state legislature has to approve. The NC legislature has tons of NC State alum. They are demanding that UNC and NC State are a packaged deal. They have to both move to a new conference. That is a deal killer.
After that Virginia is high on the list of B1G targets.
Virginia might have the same problem. When the ACC first expanded the state wasn't going to approve of the move unless VA Tech was invited.
Except VA tech wasn't invited and Virginia was in the ACC anyway. They have been in the same conference as tech for what, ten years now? The previous 50 years they spent in different conferences don't matter much?
Quote from: boyonthedock on January 26, 2013, 03:35:33 PM
Except VA tech wasn't invited and Virginia was in the ACC anyway. They have been in the same conference as tech for what, ten years now? The previous 50 years they spent in different conferences don't matter much?
Here is an article that pretty much summarizes it. Pretty much, the Virginia AG was going to make it difficult for the ACC, and expansion might not have happened at all, so they dropped the idea of taking Syracuse and chose Tech instead. Tech simply outflanked them politically.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1090116/
Quote from: boyonthedock on January 26, 2013, 03:35:33 PM
Except VA tech wasn't invited and Virginia was in the ACC anyway. They have been in the same conference as tech for what, ten years now? The previous 50 years they spent in different conferences don't matter much?
Except the only reason Va Tech is in the ACC today is because the governor and state legislature pressured the University of Virginia to demand their inclusion. The ACC originally wanted Syracuse instead. What makes you think the state wouldn't exert its influence again to help the Hokies?
Quote from: Pakuni on January 26, 2013, 03:44:16 PM
Except the only reason Va Tech is in the ACC today is because the governor and state legislature pressured the University of Virginia to demand their inclusion. The ACC originally wanted Syracuse instead. What makes you think the state wouldn't exert its influence again to help the Hokies?
Which is why the SEC could take NC State and Va Tech, while the Big 10 takes UNC and Virginia.
Anybody know when Maryland is supposed to settle on that exit fee? I read on a sportslaw blog that Maryland will NOT be paying anything close to $50 mil--maybe $20mil at the very most. I feel like once Maryland settles, the other ACC schools who want to jump ship (Clemson, FSU, etc.) will do so and the merry-go-round of alignment will start up again.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 26, 2013, 03:46:51 PM
Which is why the SEC could take NC State and Va Tech, while the Big 10 takes UNC and Virginia.
Maybe, except I suspect SEC would target several programs - including Florida St. and Clemson - before either NC State or VaTech. Heck, they'll target UNC before NC State or VaTech. It's not as if the SEC is going to take in lesser programs to help the Big ? expand. It's fun to discuss the scenarios, but any scenario in which the SEC plays second fiddle isn't realistic.
Regardless, this may all be moot unless Maryland wins its suit to get out of paying their $50 million exit fee.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 26, 2013, 08:44:28 AM
UNC is a state school. If they move the state legislature has to approve. The NC legislature has tons of NC State alum. They are demanding that UNC and NC State are a packaged deal. They have to both move to a new conference. That is a deal killer.
After that Virginia is high on the list of B1G targets.
There are way$ around everything.
If the B1G wants UNC badly enough -- and they just might -- there are way$ to make it happen that would make the politicians buy in.
Quote from: WarriorHal on January 26, 2013, 11:15:23 AM
If ND joined the Big 10, they would probably have to give up their monopoly TV deal with NBC. ND doesn't share; it's all about ND and screw everybody else. In that sense, they're a lot like Texas & their Longhorn network.
It's not about money at ND. For some time it's been known that ND would get
more TV revenue as a part of the Big 10 then they get from NBC. A lot of influential alumni at ND really think that independence is what makes ND football really special and creates a national following. For that they've been willing to forgo some TV revenue.
Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
There are way$ around everything.
If the B1G wants UNC badly enough -- and they just might -- there are way$ to make it happen that would make the politicians buy in.
You forgot the most important $ of all! It should read "there are way$ to make it happen that would make the politician$$$$ buy in."
I don't think it's true. I was simply answering the question over who they could be looking at from the midwest.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 28, 2013, 02:48:29 PM
I don't think it's true. I was simply answering the question over who they could be looking at from the midwest.
It's been rumored because they are a AAU school in terms of academics, national powerhouse in basketball.