While this was a tough loss tonight, got to give kudos to Buzz and the team. In the past, we've been known to not make the necessary adjustments, and it was clear in the 2nd half Buzz made that adjustment by going box and 1 on Kilpatrick. Team fought hard after a dismal first half. We shot well under our season FT average and they shot well above theirs. Kilpatrick just killed it tonight, and for first time this season, the ball didn't bounce our way.
Nothing to hang our heads about.
Yes, kudis for sure.
Wasn't a box and 1. Beth Mowins was driving me nuts with this until Welsh FINALLY corrected her in OT. It was face-guarding and Mick decided to go 4-on-4 by keeping 23 out of the way.
+1 - way to compete, great adjustments, team has big upside...
As George Thompson always said
"It's a hard knock life on the road Hometeam!!
Mayo would've got my SOTG vote had the ball bounced the other way once or twice. This is a good, tough team. They're still growing and will be a very tough out come March.
Quote from: ATLmarquettefan on January 19, 2013, 09:00:28 PM
While this was a tough loss tonight, got to give kudos to Buzz and the team. In the past, we've been known to not make the necessary adjustments, and it was clear in the 2nd half Buzz made that adjustment by going box and 1 on Kilpatrick. Team fought hard after a dismal first half. We shot well under our season FT average and they shot well above theirs. Kilpatrick just killed it tonight, and for first time this season, the ball didn't bounce our way.
Nothing to hang our heads about.
Very tough first half, but they responded well. Overall, this game restored...or maybe established...my optimism for the rest of the season. They hung tough (pun intended) after getting crushed in the first half, made some solid adjustments, and brought it in the second half. A call or bounce goes our way in OT and maybe we would have stole a win. Remember that we were 6.5 underdogs...Marquette covers yet again. Some concerns remain about rebounding and offensive scheming, but nothing to be ashamed of in that loss. I am bullish on MU for the rest of the season.
Quote from: wheresthecake? on January 19, 2013, 09:03:02 PM
Wasn't a box and 1. Beth Mowins was driving me nuts with this until Welsh FINALLY corrected her in OT. It was face-guarding and Mick decided to go 4-on-4 by keeping 23 out of the way.
Welsh called it a box-and-one about 742 times before Mowins mentioned it. He was correcting his own error.
I was yelling at Welsh every time he called it a box and 1. No wonder he couldn't succeed in the Big East. But in the end, this is nothing but a conference road loss to a decent team. One that got away, sure, but conference road losses are part of life.
A road loss against a very solid and athletic team where they were way over average in FT %, had a guy out of his mind, and we absolutely stunk for a total half on offense, and yet we made the adjustments to come back and push them to the end of overtime? I'm not happy with the loss, but I'm certainly not unhappy with the team or the effort. The road is tough. Lets try to hold serve.
Well stated connie.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2013, 06:38:17 AM
I was yelling at Welsh every time he called it a box and 1. No wonder he couldn't succeed in the Big East. But in the end, this is nothing but a conference road loss to a decent team. One that got away, sure, but conference road losses are part of life.
I don't know if I would categorize it as one that "got away". We led in this game for a total of 98 seconds....3.6% of the game.
No shame in losing a road game to a decent team, even one that had lost their last 3 at home. We have to find a way not to keep digging a huge hold for ourselves out of the gate.
Was it just me, or was that Welsh guy pro Cincinnati the whole game? I noticed during the game he made it a point to call fouls on MU when the refs didn't call them. He would say that should have been a call on MU, etc. Did anyone else notice that?
Quote from: MUWarrior4Life on January 21, 2013, 06:40:10 AM
Was it just me, or was that Welsh guy pro Cincinnati the whole game? I noticed during the game he made it a point to call fouls on MU when the refs didn't call them. He would say that should have been a call on MU, etc. Did anyone else notice that?
Welsh is a douche.
Quote from: MUWarrior4Life on January 21, 2013, 06:40:10 AM
Was it just me, or was that Welsh guy pro Cincinnati the whole game? I noticed during the game he made it a point to call fouls on MU when the refs didn't call them. He would say that should have been a call on MU, etc. Did anyone else notice that?
I thought so too.
Did he say something along the lines that Buzz told him that if he wanted to be assistant for Buzz no interview would needed, it would be a straight hire?
He squeezed it in right in the middle of the action and never returned to it.
That was all I needed to hear from Welsh.
Quote from: MUWarrior4Life on January 21, 2013, 06:40:10 AM
Was it just me, or was that Welsh guy pro Cincinnati the whole game? I noticed during the game he made it a point to call fouls on MU when the refs didn't call them. He would say that should have been a call on MU, etc. Did anyone else notice that?
I almost never have a problem with announcers. Even Len Elmore doesn't bother me. That said, Welsh was beyond awful - totally biased and, even worse, totally inept. Just how does a guy who has (allegedly) coached D1 basketball not know the difference between a box and one and a man to man defense with denial principles? If I'm ESPN, I'm offering him a buyout and replacing him immediately.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 21, 2013, 09:07:20 AM
Did he say something along the lines that Buzz told him that if he wanted to be assistant for Buzz no interview would needed, it would be a straight hire?
He squeezed it in right in the middle of the action and never returned to it.
That was all I needed to hear from Welsh.
He was talking about Junior Cadougan.
Announcers need to keep talking and think quickly, so they are pat to say some stupid things. I cannot fault them for that. However, I think what bugs me the most is they rarely say who the foul is on. At Bradley Center I can look up at the score board to see the foul count. At home I try to score and too often I have to guess who the foul was on. As long as they have to fill the game up with chatter, you think they could tell you who fouled.
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on January 21, 2013, 12:45:40 PM
He was talking about Junior Cadougan.
Thanks for the clarification on that. Stream was going in and out, thought it was odd that anyone would say that about themselves.
Wouldn't shock me to see some ex-players sitting on the bench in the next few years.
Quote from: wheresthecake? on January 19, 2013, 09:03:02 PM
Wasn't a box and 1. Beth Mowins was driving me nuts with this until Welsh FINALLY corrected her in OT. It was face-guarding and Mick decided to go 4-on-4 by keeping 23 out of the way.
I was listening to the game on the radio... would someone please explain "face-guarding"? I think Homer may have mentioned it on the radio, too, but as long as I've known, "face guarding," as in deliberately disrupting the vision of the opponent (e.g. putting your hands directly in front of your opponent's eyes), is illegal. I didn't hear any technicals called, so what was the defense doing on Kilpatty?
One defender, usually Mayo, followed Kilpatrick everywhere. No help defense, no rebounding, just fronting Kilpatrick and denying him the ball. Kilpatrick made it easy by frequently standing 30 feet from the basket and not attempting to get open. Mayo and Kilpatrick would be standing by themselves while the rest of the players played 4 on 4.
Quote from: Benny B on January 21, 2013, 01:57:24 PM
I was listening to the game on the radio... would someone please explain "face-guarding"? I think Homer may have mentioned it on the radio, too, but as long as I've known, "face guarding," as in deliberately disrupting the vision of the opponent (e.g. putting your hands directly in front of your opponent's eyes), is illegal. I didn't hear any technicals called, so what was the defense doing on Kilpatty?
Basically you face your opponent and follow his every move. You don't worry yourself about the ball, where the ball is, who has it. You simply are in the face of your opponent and track him everywhere.
Are we rooting for or against Cincy today? I simply dont like Cronin so Im going to root against them.
Root for whomever you'd like. It doesn't make one bit of difference.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2013, 02:48:45 PM
Basically you face your opponent and follow his every move. You don't worry yourself about the ball, where the ball is, who has it. You simply are in the face of your opponent and track him everywhere.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2013, 02:00:16 PM
One defender, usually Mayo, followed Kilpatrick everywhere. No help defense, no rebounding, just fronting Kilpatrick and denying him the ball. Kilpatrick made it easy by frequently standing 30 feet from the basket and not attempting to get open. Mayo and Kilpatrick would be standing by themselves while the rest of the players played 4 on 4.
I assume then that MU was manned-up with the remaining four? Because if they were playing zone, that would be a box-and-one, no?
EDIT: Better yet, perhaps I should simply ask the difference between what's being termed "face-guarding" and "box-and-one."
Yes, MU was playing man defense on the other 4.
Quote from: honkytonk on January 21, 2013, 02:51:33 PM
Are we rooting for or against Cincy today? I simply dont like Cronin so Im going to root against them.
You root for CIN because it creates more parity in the standings. A Cuse loss leaves us tied for number one and increases the chances of us being in play for a double bye in the BET.
Agreed--way too early to be conceding any spots at the top of the conference.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2013, 02:00:16 PM
One defender, usually Mayo, followed Kilpatrick everywhere. No help defense, no rebounding, just fronting Kilpatrick and denying him the ball. Kilpatrick made it easy by frequently standing 30 feet from the basket and not attempting to get open. Mayo and Kilpatrick would be standing by themselves while the rest of the players played 4 on 4.
I have to wonder if this wasn't as much Cronin's strategy as it was Buzz's.
It wasn't as if Kilpatrick couldn't score in the 2nd half--he actually scored more and got to the line more often in the 2nd half compared to the first.
I noticed the same thing, 84. Cronin seemed to make the conscious decision to allow Kilpatrick to stand off to the side and play 4 on 4. It is a testament to how good Kilpatrick was on Saturday that after literally standing around for 5 minutes of game time was still able to make plays when it mattered.