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This is a really tough one to answer.  I voted Georgetown for the reason about and I want to show some C7 love.

Georgetown.  C7, not a traitor, a definite quality win is better than a maybe quality win, and we never liked Pitt in the first place.  Pitt with the early double digit lead though :(

C7 PRIDE!

C7

I almost never used to root for Pitt anyway, but they are traitors to the conference and deserve nothing but shame.

All true.  Too bad a butt whuppin' is happening in DC.

But g-town taking out Woodall for sat, thanks!

It's nice that during the game they keep mentioning GT's loss to Marquette.  They also mentioned UConn's loss to Marquette several times.

I have never understood why people have such a hard time deciding who to root for in certain games. It's VERY simple people. You root for whatever is in the best interests of MU, and whatever will help them most. Period. Now there are a couple ways of looking at this particular situation...I personally don't think MU finishes below either of these teams in the BE so you throw that out as a factor. Then you have to think about the present, what is more favorable to MU?? This is easy...MU goes to Pitt Saturday, and I would MUCH rather MU play a 1-2 PITT team then an 0-3 and desperate PITT team. So you root for Pitt without question. *disclaimer* I believe they'd beat Pitt regardless Saturday, but because of the psychological aspect i'd still they rather be 1-2 then 0-3.

GU is just a brutal offensive team, re-thinking how bad our O is.

That's what happens when you have 1 guard out there. Their bigs aren't good rebounders either to make up for their lack of quickness.

Okay, Pitt is just getting over confident.

needed georgetown to win...makes our win look better. Seeing G-Town get blown out at home doesnt help...

Not worried from a rankings or perception perspective. We beat #15 last week. That looks good. If we beat Pitt, it looks better because they just trounced #19. And if we lose it's a road Big East game. No shame in that.

It may make a difference come March, but I doubt this one game will really hurt the Hoyas' RPI all that much.

I'm root for the C7 teams now.  Last night was not fun, however.  My wife has the flu and went to bed after dinner and my son went out with friends so I had the rare chance to sit in front of the TV and enjoy some non-MU hoops, but the DePaul-UConn game was over by the first TV timeout and Georgetown was bludgeoned by Pitt.  Georgetown is just awful to watch.  I ended up watching Baseball Hall of Fame chatter on the MLB channel.

BTW, Pitt was extremely physical and, IMO, got away with constant fouling.  If the game is officiated like that on Saturday, we will not win.  I've seen Georgetown twice now, and they are a really bad rebounding team depite their overall length.

College ball way down. People need to abandon their rankings/reputation mindset when watching games.

As I wrote last week, the level of the game is just mediocre enough that MU may well be positioned to achieve something of note this season.

Quote from: muguru on January 08, 2013, 09:08:19 PM
I have never understood why people have such a hard time deciding who to root for in certain games. It's VERY simple people. You root for whatever is in the best interests of MU, and whatever will help them most. Period. Now there are a couple ways of looking at this particular situation...I personally don't think MU finishes below either of these teams in the BE so you throw that out as a factor. Then you have to think about the present, what is more favorable to MU?? This is easy...MU goes to Pitt Saturday, and I would MUCH rather MU play a 1-2 PITT team then an 0-3 and desperate PITT team. So you root for Pitt without question. *disclaimer* I believe they'd beat Pitt regardless Saturday, but because of the psychological aspect i'd still they rather be 1-2 then 0-3.

I disagree completely.  The best way is to develop a ladder of hatred.  Then you simply refer to the ladder and root against the team on the higher rung.  So in the current conference makeup:

Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame
UConn
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Nova
Georgetown
SH/SJ/DPU/USF/PU

Refer to the ladder, root against Pitt.  Very simple.  Your ladder may vary, but the concept remains.

I wanted Pitt to win just so they wouldn't be so desperate to win a game against us. Teams also don't often lose 4 in a row.

I always root for Pitt of Georgetown.  Have they gone division I yet?

Imagine the meltdown on 'GTscoop' today.  What troubled me was that the Hoyas absolutely quit midway through the second half....at home.  That doesn't bode well.

Quote from: TJ on January 09, 2013, 08:43:54 AM
I disagree completely.  The best way is to develop a ladder of hatred.  Then you simply refer to the ladder and root against the team on the higher rung.  So in the current conference makeup:

Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame
UConn
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Nova
Georgetown
SH/SJ/DPU/USF/PU

Refer to the ladder, root against Pitt.  Very simple.  Your ladder may vary, but the concept remains.

-I really love this concept and can see using this in a variety of options in my life-   sports teams, women's tv shows,  french people, etc

Quote from: TJ on January 09, 2013, 08:43:54 AM
I disagree completely.  The best way is to develop a ladder of hatred.  Then you simply refer to the ladder and root against the team on the higher rung.  So in the current conference makeup:

Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame
UConn
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Nova
Georgetown
SH/SJ/DPU/USF/PU

Refer to the ladder, root against Pitt.  Very simple.  Your ladder may vary, but the concept remains.

A few comments on the ladder.  Why is Rutgers below UConn and Cincy when Rutgers was the one who left?  Is it because Cincy and UConn wanted to leave more?  I like Syracuse and Pitt for spots two and three, but Louisville stayed longer, so I can't see them ranked above 'Cuse and Pitt.  How about ESPN for the #1 spot?  Finally, PU is actually PC, unless you're referring to their level of play rather than to their name.

p.s.  Of the C7, Nova definitely belongs highest on the list due to last year's mugging of Gardner at Nova.

p.s.s.  Let's drop DePaul off the list entirely, rooting against them is kind of like rooting for the sun to go down at the end of the day...

p.s.s.s.  4ever would like to move Indiana to the number 1 spot.

Quote from: LittleMurs on January 09, 2013, 11:03:37 AM
A few comments on the ladder.  Why is Rutgers below UConn and Cincy when Rutgers was the one who left?  Is it because Cincy and UConn wanted to leave more?  I like Syracuse and Pitt for spots two and three, but Louisville stayed longer, so I can't see them ranked above 'Cuse and Pitt.  How about ESPN for the #1 spot?  Finally, PU is actually PC, unless you're referring to their level of play rather than to their name.

p.s.  Of the C7, Nova definitely belongs highest on the list due to last year's mugging of Gardner at Nova.

p.s.s.  Let's drop DePaul off the list entirely, rooting against them is kind of like rooting for the sun to go down at the end of the day...

p.s.s.s.  4ever would like to move Indiana to the number 1 spot.

I'll try to go at this one at a time.

1) Louisville is just an irrational hatred.  I don't like them, I never have liked them, and never will like them.  It's been more than a decade in the making.
2-3) Syracuse and Pitt for so many reasons.  Almost all issues I've had with opposing BE fans at the BC have been from these 3.  Top that off with their leaving causing this whole mess in the first place, on top of the fact that they were instrumental in turning ESPN against the BE just before leaving the BE and you're right, they should be 1-2.  But I effin hate Louisville.
4) ND didn't really gain extra hate points by leaving for the ACC, they earned their spot before that happened.  They used to be higher on the list.
5) Personally, I blame UConn for much of this since they were actively trying to leave the BE for a long time - very much helping to create this mess.  The fact that no one wants them doesn't absolve them of anything.
6) Cincinnati gets holdover hatred from Huggins, plus they were also actively trying to leave the BE (UConn was still far worse).
7) I just can't be that mad at Rutgers.  They were the last departure, the writing was on the wall and they had a much better offer.  They weren't out in public causing instability for years.  If they would not have left I would have just included them in the bottom line of teams that don't matter enough to rank.
8) I have always disliked Nova more than most around here.  I don't like Jay Wright, I don't like that they played with loopholes in the NCAA rules to basically get to play NCAA Tourney games on their home floor in Philly, Gardner last year, I feel like we always get screwed somehow when we play them - especially in Philly, etc.  Their rating is way low just because they are C7.
9) Don't really hate GU.  I would rather they lose than the teams below them, but that's about it.
10-14) These teams don't matter enough get their own rung.  If they play each other I generally don't care enough to root for one over the other.

If we include Indiana it's a much longer list.  It's very difficult to rank the entire NCAA.  I did it last year but so much has changed since then it would need to be redone.  For example, who do you hate more... Virginia Tech or USC?  These are the types of questions you have to start asking yourself if you want to develop a full ladder.  It gets very tough.  The start isn't even easy.  Just a quick top 10 off the top of my head and there's already so much room for debate...

Indiana
Kentucky
UCLA
Duke
Louisville
Syracuse
North Carolina
Pitt
Michigan State
Ohio State