I wonder if the C7 schools will be able to negotiate to keep MSG? I assume that the MSG contract will be voided and is not assignable, as I can't image that MSG would have agreed to anything less if there were significant changes.
If the C7 can't keep MSG on their own, could the C7 and the old Big East both host their tournaments at MSG? Rotate erarly and late games between the two leagues. I don't know if this is possible, but I sure would like to see the C7/New Big East schools stay at MSG. Or for the first round, play on different days?
Do you want to keep the tourny at MSG because you attend it every year?
I would prefer a rotation...a location that brings it to the midwest where many of the schools are now located.
Frankly, I would be shocked if the C11+1 doesn't retain the Garden and the Big East name.
I think they'll try to keep MSG. The connection to St. John's should at least give us first shot at it. And you absolutely try to keep MSG. It is the longest running tournament at the same venue and MSG is a destination. I truly think it matters that we can tell recruits they will be guaranteed to play at the World's Most Famous Arena every single year. And if we don't retain it, whatever the football schools become and the ACC will both be vying to take rights to that location away from us. I realize it may not be central to the league, but it is an easy destination to fly to and is one of the true prizes of this whole conference fallout.
Quote from: Benny B on January 08, 2013, 04:37:25 PM
Frankly, I would be shocked if the C11+1 doesn't retain the Garden and the Big East name.
I think it will be a matter of renegotiating the contract, as my guess is MSG will be a free agent and void the current contract due to the league changes. Hence wondering if the C7 and Big East football schools could somehow work out a joint deal, if the logistics can work.
NY is a cheap and easy flight for everyone, but for the few that can drive to it. Better than a Midwest city, where may have long drives and more expensive flights or equally expensive flights. More Buzz in NYC. Big for recruiting.
Quote from: Benny B on January 08, 2013, 04:37:25 PM
Frankly, I would be shocked if the C11+1 doesn't retain the Garden and the Big East name.
+1 Logo, records, MSG, appearances by Patrick Ewing, everything. Somewhere Dave Gavitt smiles.
Quote from: GOO on January 08, 2013, 04:46:04 PM
I think it will be a matter of renegotiating the contract, as my guess is MSG will be a free agent and void the current contract due to the league changes. Hence wondering if the C7 and Big East football schools could somehow work out a joint deal, if the logistics can work.
NY is a cheap and easy flight for everyone, but for the few that can drive to it. Better than a Midwest city, where may have long drives and more expensive flights or equally expensive flights. More Buzz in NYC. Big for recruiting.
Yes, flights are cheap. I dont know about you, but Im a bit of a hotel snob and there is nothing cheap about staying in a decent hotel in nyc for almost a week. Restaurants are not cheap, either.
I'd be curious how much people spend on the whole trip (ball park figure).
I go every year but ONLY because 1) I can temporarily work out of a NY office and dont have to burn vacation days 2) I can expense meals 3) I dont need a hotel because I stay with friends and the company lets me stay a night or two at a hotel. Without all of that, there is no way I go regularly.
Quote from: honkytonk on January 08, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
I go every year but ONLY because 1) I can temporarily work out of a NY office and dont have to burn vacation days 2) I can expense meals 3) I dont need a hotel because I stay with friends and the company lets me stay a night or two at a hotel. Without all of that, there is no way I go regularly.
Seems so long as you don't quit your job or piss off your friends, you have the best deal going and yet still seem salty about it.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 08, 2013, 05:06:23 PM
Seems so long as you don't quit your job or piss off your friends, you have the best deal going and yet still seem salty about it.
He'll fit in nicely here.
Quote from: honkytonk on January 08, 2013, 04:33:55 PM
I would prefer a rotation...a location that brings it to the midwest where many of the schools are now located.
You seriously prefer that? I sure as hell wouldn't. I would be willing to bet you that every single school that is in this conference (whenever all the dust settles) will prefer that the conference tournament be in MSG every year.
What happened to Indianapolis?
Quote from: honkytonk on January 08, 2013, 04:33:55 PM
Do you want to keep the tourny at MSG because you attend it every year?
I would prefer a rotation...a location that brings it to the midwest where many of the schools are now located.
Yeah, walk away from MSG so you can play a tourney in Indianapolis. ::)
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 08, 2013, 06:18:00 PM
What happened to Indianapolis?
Moot point, since we'll still have the Garden.
Quote from: honkytonk on January 08, 2013, 04:33:55 PM
Do you want to keep the tourny at MSG because you attend it every year?
I would prefer a rotation...a location that brings it to the midwest where many of the schools are now located.
You really have to wonder if the fans will travel. Cuse, WVU, Pitt always had huge followings. I think the new conference will not travel as well to NYC. Rotation might be a better idea.
Quote from: honkytonk on January 08, 2013, 04:33:55 PM
I would prefer a rotation...a location that brings it to the midwest where many of the schools are now located.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/13yf78n.jpg)
I found that the geographic center of the 12 proposed schools is roughly halfway between Columbus and Cleveland. So let's do it in Cleveland...or not.
New York is still the best spot, I'd also like the Barclay's Center. Otherwise I'd be okay with Chicago since there would always be a huge Marquette following there.
A rotation might not be the worst thing if they limited it to maybe 4 cities and did it in cool places.
one problem with the MSG tourney the past few years has been that the first 2 rounds are poorly attended. Since they expanded to include everyone and start on Tuesday there's almost no one there. My guess is that a 12 team tournament would condense it down to start weds/Thursday and you'd avoid the empty arena on the early days, at least to some degree.
Quote from: frozena pizza on January 09, 2013, 09:47:01 AM
I found that the geographic center of the 12 proposed schools is roughly halfway between Columbus and Cleveland. So let's do it in Cleveland...or not.
New York is still the best spot, I'd also like the Barclay's Center. Otherwise I'd be okay with Chicago since there would always be a huge Marquette following there.
A rotation might not be the worst thing if they limited it to maybe 4 cities and did it in cool places.
If they went MSG, Chicago, Indy, DC, I could see that. I don't want a tourney in Omaha or Dayton or Providence.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 09, 2013, 09:51:19 AM
If they went MSG, Chicago, Indy, DC, I could see that. I don't want a tourney in Omaha or Dayton or Providence.
i agree some rotation between NYC, Chicago, DC, Philly and Indy would be good, but the Barclays and MSG are tied up with other conferences now, so may not be available to be a rotating site. I do think both NYC locations will ditch their deals (with the A10 and the current Big East), and the C7 and ACC will host their tourneys in one or the other.
Quote from: frozena pizza on January 09, 2013, 09:47:01 AM
I found that the geographic center of the 12 proposed schools is roughly halfway between Columbus and Cleveland. So let's do it in Cleveland...or not.
New York is still the best spot, I'd also like the Barclay's Center. Otherwise I'd be okay with Chicago since there would always be a huge Marquette following there.
A rotation might not be the worst thing if they limited it to maybe 4 cities and did it in cool places.
I chuckled when I read that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0WqSeCKW8
Quote from: JTBMU7 on January 09, 2013, 10:12:46 AM
i agree some rotation between NYC, Chicago, DC, Philly and Indy would be good, but the Barclays and MSG are tied up with other conferences now, so may not be available to be a rotating site. I do think both NYC locations will ditch their deals (with the A10 and the current Big East), and the C7 and ACC will host their tourneys in one or the other.
Umm, there is a better chance of the Ivy League would host a tournament at MSG than the CUSEBE conference having their tournament there. Why in the hell would MSG want that group of misfit toys?
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 09, 2013, 05:51:19 PM
I chuckled when I read that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0WqSeCKW8
When I suggested a rotation, I dont know why people were thinking Indy...or Cleveland....or St Louis. A great rotation to me would be MSG and United Center. That's it. That is ideal and I guess extremely unlikely to happen.
And yes, I do have a great situation when it comes to attending the BET. However, most fans dont have that. I would prefer several thousand MU fans at the United Center over several hundred at MSG.
Nova fans dont even show up if their team isnt good. DePaul fans are non-existent. SHU fans dont represent very well. Same goes for PU fans. I wouldnt expect X, Creighton, Dayton, SLU fans to represent at the BET anymore than MU fans have...and probably even less so. SJU attendance is ok but not what you would expect.
The great thing is that MSG will likely agree to hosting the tourney because there isnt another conference that is interested in permanently utilizing MSG year in and year out. All other conferences would only be interested in MSG if it was part of a rotation. Since MSG is a publicly traded company, they will do what is in the best interest of shareholders....which is making money.
No Indy.
Quote from: Chili on January 09, 2013, 06:04:16 PM
Umm, there is a better chance of the Ivy League would host a tournament at MSG than the CUSEBE conference having their tournament there. Why in the hell would MSG want that group of misfit toys?
you're right, MSG probably won't stick with the BEAST leftovers, but they also may not want to deal with the C7+. MSG could, and probably will, make a bid to get the ACC tourney, which will be ridiculous once all the new teams join. The Barclays may want to stick with the A10 with the east-coast teams.
just saying we shouldnt assume we will have a NYC home just beacuse of the big east history there. lots of other factors/conferences in play. hopefully we can find a way, but it's not the end of the world if we play in DC/Chicago/Etc...
Are you kidding me? Maybe some folks are fearful of flying to NYC bit there is no more prestigious venue in basketball then The Gaaden. As far as attendance, sure some fans buy the entire set and only attend there session just like NCAA first and second rounders. I have been to over 60 games in the last six years at the BE Tourney and every session has been terrific. Locals make up a great base and always get behind the underdogs.
Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on January 09, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
Are you kidding me? Maybe some folks are fearful of flying to NYC bit there is no more prestigious venue in basketball then The Gaaden. As far as attendance, sure some fans buy the entire set and only attend there session just like NCAA first and second rounders. I have been to over 60 games in the last six years at the BE Tourney and every session has been terrific. Locals make up a great base and always get behind the underdogs.
Neutral NY fans only spend money on winners. At the very least, they will spend money on teams that they can identify with in some regard (regional schools). Im not sure a SLU vs. DePaul and MU vs. X is going to draw that well. Not a single school within driving distance of the garden (last year's Coaches vs. Cancer tourney was a failure).
Quote from: honkytonk on January 09, 2013, 08:30:17 PM
Neutral NY fans only spend money on winners. At the very least, they will spend money on teams that they can identify with in some regard (regional schools). Im not sure a SLU vs. DePaul and MU vs. X is going to draw that well. Not a single school within driving distance of the garden (last year's Coaches vs. Cancer tourney was a failure).
Out of curiosity, have you been to the BET? I haven't been, but it's hard to really argue with someone who has been attending 10 games per year for the better part of Marquette's time in the Big East. That's not exactly a small sample size.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 09, 2013, 08:36:22 PM
Out of curiosity, have you been to the BET? I haven't been, but it's hard to really argue with someone who has been attending 10 games per year for the better part of Marquette's time in the Big East. That's not exactly a small sample size.
Every year but one.
Quote from: honkytonk on January 09, 2013, 06:06:30 PM
When I suggested a rotation, I dont know why people were thinking Indy...or Cleveland....or St Louis. A great rotation to me would be MSG and United Center. That's it. That is ideal and I guess extremely unlikely to happen.
And yes, I do have a great situation when it comes to attending the BET. However, most fans dont have that. I would prefer several thousand MU fans at the United Center over several hundred at MSG.
Nova fans dont even show up if their team isnt good. DePaul fans are non-existent. SHU fans dont represent very well. Same goes for PU fans. I wouldnt expect X, Creighton, Dayton, SLU fans to represent at the BET anymore than MU fans have...and probably even less so. SJU attendance is ok but not what you would expect.
The great thing is that MSG will likely agree to hosting the tourney because there isnt another conference that is interested in permanently utilizing MSG year in and year out. All other conferences would only be interested in MSG if it was part of a rotation. Since MSG is a publicly traded company, they will do what is in the best interest of shareholders....which is making money.
I completely get your idea and I love it. I just loved your Cleveland joke and highlighted it. No disrespect meant. Loved the humor.