Sure seems like Arizona got bailed out at the end of regulation. Looked like Chen got that 3-pointer off in time and since it was called on the floor I'm surprised they changed the call.
Agreed. I thought he got it off in time, or at the very least, as you say, you don't overturn that call.
That being said, Colorado played those last 3 minutes pretty poorly. They got lucky on the Dinwiddle slipping/foul call, and looked just awful against the press.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on January 03, 2013, 09:32:05 PM
Sure seems like Arizona got bailed out at the end of regulation. Looked like Chen got that 3-pointer off in time and since it was called on the floor I'm surprised they changed the call.
It was NOT called on the floor - only the scoring table official counted the basket. All three of the floor officials made no call and went to the monitor. So the ONLY call made was no good as to the officials the shot was "still on the fingertips" as time expires.
Quote from: Chili on January 03, 2013, 09:44:20 PM
It was NOT called on the floor - only the scoring table official counted the basket. All three of the floor officials made no call and went to the monitor. So the ONLY call made was no good as to the officials the shot was "still on the fingertips" as time expires.
Ah thanks for the explanation. I thought they announcers mentioned it was called on the floor and even so that must have been wrong. Pretty interesting game overall. Lots of OT in the last few days.
Quote from: Chili on January 03, 2013, 09:44:20 PM
It was NOT called on the floor - only the scoring table official counted the basket. All three of the floor officials made no call and went to the monitor. So the ONLY call made was no good as to the officials the shot was "still on the fingertips" as time expires.
Incorrect. Verne Harris had his hands in the air after the shot indicating the shot was good.
Between that and the MU UCONN debacle, id say the refs had a pretty rough week...
seems like the clocks were not in synch.
The side shot, the camera from mid-court at the top of the stadium, with the clock as an insert in the picture clearly showed 0.1 when he got the shot off. So it should have been good.
However, the far end-zone shot with the shot clock above the backboard in the picture showed it about as close as it can be. I thought it was a tie. I think this was the shot they used to make the no-shot ruling.
Again that was a tie and since the refs wanted to get out alive, they gave it to the hometown team.
The Buffs were robbed.
Agree that the side camera angle very clearly showed the shot was away before the clock went to 0.0.
Quote from: JTBMU7 on January 03, 2013, 09:56:11 PM
Incorrect. Verne Harris had his hands in the air after the shot indicating the shot was good.
Between that and the MU UCONN debacle, id say the refs had a pretty rough week...
The only hands you see go up are to indicate it's a 3 pointer. There is no indication the basket was good from any official - here is the video: http://youtu.be/kMus7GuNXNg (http://youtu.be/kMus7GuNXNg)
Because the basket was not counted as good this happens:
Rule 5, Sec. 7, Art. 2: In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s).
When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands. Since the officials could not make a conclusive call, they ruled no basket as it was not ruled good on the court.
EDIT: Welp $hit - I was wrong:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_vG2x0CcAA3S8R.jpg:large)
Quote from: Chili on January 03, 2013, 10:13:31 PM
The only hands you see go up are to indicate it's a 3 pointer. There is no indication the basket was good from any official - here is the video: http://youtu.be/kMus7GuNXNg (http://youtu.be/kMus7GuNXNg)
Because the basket was not counted as good this happens:
Rule 5, Sec. 7, Art. 2: In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.
Since the officials could not make a conclusive call, they ruled no basket as it was not ruled good on the court.
It would seem to me that raising your hands to signal a made three-pointer is an indication that the basket was good. Otherwise, your hands are moved in a flailing motion to wave the basket off.
Quote from: Benny B on January 03, 2013, 10:23:43 PM
It would seem to me that raising your hands to signal a made three-pointer is an indication that the basket was good. Otherwise, your hands are moved in a flailing motion to wave the basket off.
The official on the top only raised 1 hand which indicates the shot is a 3 not a 2. A 2 point attempt is a arm pointing straight out towards the basket. If a 3 is made, the 2nd hand is raised above the head to indicate it was good, which the top official didn't do.
Now, I didn't see the bottom official (like most of America) until the pic above was posted on the twitters. He has both arms up saying good. CU got robbed but tough cookies. Go Cats.
Quote from: Chili on January 03, 2013, 10:13:31 PM
The only hands you see go up are to indicate it's a 3 pointer. There is no indication the basket was good from any official - here is the video: http://youtu.be/kMus7GuNXNg (http://youtu.be/kMus7GuNXNg)
Because the basket was not counted as good this happens:
Rule 5, Sec. 7, Art. 2: In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.
Since the officials could not make a conclusive call, they ruled no basket as it was not ruled good on the court.
Ref in the bottom left is the one who puts both hands up after the shot goes down. Can't see it in that clip. One hand up for attempt, second goes up after shot goes down indicating made basket.
Quote from: Chili on January 03, 2013, 10:13:31 PM
The only hands you see go up are to indicate it's a 3 pointer. There is no indication the basket was good from any official - here is the video: http://youtu.be/kMus7GuNXNg (http://youtu.be/kMus7GuNXNg)
Because the basket was not counted as good this happens:
Rule 5, Sec. 7, Art. 2: In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.
Since the officials could not make a conclusive call, they ruled no basket as it was not ruled good on the court.
EDIT: Welp $hit - I was wrong:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_vG2x0CcAA3S8R.jpg:large)
Good find, was looking for that photo. Regardless, I think any outrage is a little over the top. That's a historically close call. People would have been pissed off either way.