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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: KenoshaWarrior on December 23, 2012, 05:56:02 PM
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That team has been pretty good and has even beaten us at a neutral site when our team was loaded a few years back. They have a great fan base, they sell out their gym, and make NCAA's and NIT almost every year. Is their something I am missing? Bad Blood?
Syracuse, Pitt, WVU etc... were probably feeling the same way about us when we joined the big east.
I guess I dont see the reason for this hate ?-(
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I hate Dayton because of their fans.
They also screwed us out of a game awhile ago.
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I hate Dayton because of their fans.
They also screwed us out of a game awhile ago.
Well I hate Syracuse but I love being in a conference with them. We have to think of what's best for Marquette and the new conference.
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Mid-major
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Well I hate Syracuse but I love being in a conference with them. We have to think of what's best for Marquette and the new conference.
1. Go to UDPride and report back.
2. There are better options than Dayton for the conference for many reasons.
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Mid-major
This +1,0000. This HAS to be a league about the best possible Basketball teams you can find. Not about attendance or endowment or anything else. What kind of product do they put on the floor, that's what it's about. Dayton puts a crappy product on the floor. Since 1980 they have only made the NCAAs in consecutive years twice. No consistency...Xavier and Butler...they are consistently good(even though Butler missed last year), Gonzaga is consistently good. Dayton and SLU are not. Not even close.
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This +1,0000. This HAS to be a league about the best possible Basketball teams you can find. Not about attendance or endowment or anything else. What kind of product do they put on the floor, that's what it's about. Dayton puts a crappy product on the floor. Since 1980 they have only made the NCAAs in consecutive years twice. No consistency...Xavier and Butler...they are consistently good(even though Butler missed last year), Gonzaga is consistently good. Dayton and SLU are not. Not even close.
So if this conference includes Dayton, but not Gonzaga, it is mid-major? That makes no sense. No conference is defined by its weakest members.
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So if this conference includes Dayton, but not Gonzaga, it is mid-major? That makes no sense. No conference is defined by its weakest members.
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So if this conference includes Dayton, but not Gonzaga, it is mid-major? That makes no sense. No conference is defined by its weakest members.
Yes. That will be the national perception. The average college BB fan recognizes the Gonzaga name by filling out tourney pools whatever or seeing their stuff in stores etc. Dayton doesn't register nationally at all. It's about perception. Image is everything with this new conference. It has to be.
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Dayton? Che pecatto! They don't belong in the Outfit. Don 't belong in the outfit.
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Yes. That will be the national perception. The average college BB fan recognizes the Gonzaga name by filling out tourney pools whatever or seeing their stuff in stores etc. Dayton doesn't register nationally at all. It's about perception. Image is everything with this new conference. It has to be.
I don't give a crap what Joey Brackets thinks. I care about what television network executives think.
The ACC isn't defined by Wake Forest. The Big Ten isn't defined by Northwestern. The Big 12 isn't defned by Iowa State. The new conference wont be defined by Dayton.
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Been there--left that--don't want to go back.
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No one cares about what the other people in your office pool think.
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Yes. That will be the national perception. The average college BB fan recognizes the Gonzaga name by filling out tourney pools whatever or seeing their stuff in stores etc. Dayton doesn't register nationally at all. It's about perception. Image is everything with this new conference. It has to be.
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I put this in the other thread, applies here too ...
In 2012 the mountain west and A-10 both had 4 bids. The ACC also had four bids while the PAC-12 had 2.
In 2011 the mountain west and A-10 both had 3 bids. The ACC and PAC-12 both had 4 bids.
So which 2 are mid-majors and which 2 are high- majors?
Mid-major is as much a perception as it is a statistical measure. If the C7 add mid-majors, the they will be a mid-major conference.
No to SLU and Dayton.
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Annoying fans, redundant market, and only "pretty good" by the standard of being an NIT regular.
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I put this in the other thread, applies here too ...
In 2012 the mountain west and A-10 both had 4 bids. The ACC also had four bids while the PAC-12 had 2.
In 2011 the mountain west and A-10 both had 3 bids. The ACC and PAC-12 both had 4 bids.
So which 2 are mid-majors and which 2 are high- majors?
Mid-major is as much a perception as it is a statistical measure. If the C7 add mid-majors, the they will be a mid-major conference.
So what you are saying is that the selection committee doesn't care about these labels. Then why should we care?
Again, this will be the best basketball conference that doesn't sponsor football.
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I don't give a crap what Joey Brackets thinks. I care about what television network executives think.
The ACC isn't defined by Wake Forest. The Big Ten isn't defined by Northwestern. The Big 12 isn't defned by Iowa State. The new conference wont be defined by Dayton.
But I care what the 17 year old 4 star thinks about having Dayton and Richmond on the schedule. That kid don't question any established Outfit like da B1G but he will question a new Family like we's settin up and Dayton aint the best lookin broad at da dance. Aint the best lookin broad at da dance.
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But I care what the 17 year old 4 star thinks about having Dayton and Richmond on the schedule. That kid don't question any established Outfit like da B1G but he will question a new Family like we's settin up and Dayton aint the best lookin broad at da dance. Aint the best lookin broad at da dance.
Late push for worst new poster of 2012, I like your drive.
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Again, this will be the best basketball conference that doesn't sponsor football.
That is what I'm afraid of! Who holds this distinction now? The A-10!!
This says mid-major and adding mid-majors just underscores this idea.
Why not just merge with the A-10?
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I have no hate for Dayton, I have some good friends that went there and it would be fun to have those games. On the other hand though, I kind of agree with some of the other posts. Dayton doesn't make a splash. While they are pretty consistently a decent team, they are rarely a tourney team, and rarely a tourney team while playing lesser competition. While it is easy for those on UDPride to scoff at teams like DePaul, Seton Hall and Providence, how would Dayton have looked playing against Cuse, Louisville, Pitt, GTown, UConn instead of Fordham, LaSalle, UMass, and the Bonnies? I doubt they would be much better off, if any, than DePaul.
I think this conference needs to make an impression. Add the highest profile, best teams possible. When people talk about Basketball Schools, Dayton doesn't make that list, outside of Ohio anyways. When people talk about non-football, basketball schools, Dayton doesn't make that list. When people talk about Catholic Schools that play basketball, Dayton doesn't make that list, not until a ways down anyways.
And while it is very true that no conference is defined by its bottom teams, this conference is a bit of a different animal. There aren't many high prestige teams here. There are a few teams with great history that are very good right now. There are a few with great history that are struggling, and a few with shorter histories that aren't very good. The teams that are added to the C7 need to add strength to the schedules, prestige to the conference, name recognition to the conference, and passion. Dayton only meets one of those.
I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing if they are in, they just don't add the weight that some of the other teams could.
To me, I would love to add, X, Butler, Gonzaga, (if 10), and SMC and VCU (if 12). I would say Dayton would be the next team on the list for me. I also understand the logistic problems with the Zags and SMC.
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That is what I'm afraid of! Who holds this distinction now? The A-10!!
This says mid-major and adding mid-majors just underscores this idea.
Why not just merge with the A-10?
Why merge when you can control everything, steal their top teams and get a TV contract that's 10 times better?
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But I care what the 17 year old 4 star thinks about having Dayton and Richmond on the schedule. That kid don't question any established Outfit like da B1G but he will question a new Family like we's settin up and Dayton aint the best lookin broad at da dance. Aint the best lookin broad at da dance.
PTM is wrong, this makes a lot of sense.
Go over to any recruiting site and the top players will often say the are "B1G players" or "Big East players."
Who says they are a-10 players? And how does adding Dayton get a four star player to say I'm a C7 (or whatever it is called) player? Answer, it does not.
Add Dayton ... We would have been better to stay in a dysfunctional BE.
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PTM is wrong, this makes a lot of sense.
Go over to any recruiting site and the top players will often say the are "B1G players" or "Big East players."
Who says they are a-10 players? And how does adding Dayton get a four star player to say I'm a C7 (or whatever it is called) player? Answer, it does not.
Add Dayton ... We would have been better to stay in a dysfunctional BE.
Those 'B1G Players' are really worried about Iowa or Penn State? Don't be dumb.
I don't even want Dayton, but your rational is terrible. Dayton is the LAST team I want.
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That is what I'm afraid of! Who holds this distinction now? The A-10!!
OK maybe we *are* mid major then. Ever think of it that way???
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Add Dayton ... We would have been better to stay in a dysfunctional BE.
False.
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I think the problem I'd that the C 7 already has several bottom feeders. One more is not good. But it wouldn't be the worse thing in the world if they were number 12. I would not be happy if they were number 10.
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I think the problem I'd that the C 7 already has several bottom feeders. One more is not good. But it wouldn't be the worse thing in the world if they were number 12. I would not be happy if they were number 10.
I don't think many are advocating they should be in the Top 10. However, if this league goes to 12 members they are going to be on the potential list.
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I think the problem I'd that the C 7 already has several bottom feeders. One more is not good. But it wouldn't be the worse thing in the world if they were number 12. I would not be happy if they were number 10.
Or worst
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Mid-major
Mid Major is how you act and not what conference you are in.
Auburn is much more mid major than Murray State
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But I care what the 17 year old 4 star thinks about having Dayton and Richmond on the schedule. That kid don't question any established Outfit like da B1G but he will question a new Family like we's settin up and Dayton aint the best lookin broad at da dance. Aint the best lookin broad at da dance.
Valid point
but If Dayton and SLU are your Weakest team than the conference is pretty solid IMHO.
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I hate Dayton because XU hates Dayton; even though I have UD friends. I side with XU fans fans who dislike the UD experience. Donoher was overrated; so were the Grevey's. They dont sell beer at their games....and they are Catholic.....Their arena sucks; its dark and hard to see the game.
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Valid point
but If Dayton and SLU are your Weakest team than the conference is pretty solid IMHO.
Exactly! We're taking teams from the top half of another league, not the bottom.... Assuming this is a upwards type move for their programs, it will only help their programs which are already pretty solid. Basically the same thing we did when moving nto the big east, no?
Also, mid major is an out dated term. Most in the media are starting to get past it and dislike the term, seth davis and jay bilas to name a few. Especially now that coaches at so called mid majors are getting paid big bucks and staying put (Shaka, Stevens, few, etc...) the gap between schools from the Bcs conferences is closing.
One last thought, everyone needs to keep in mind this is new, progressive idea with long term tradition and sustainable success at the forefront. Adding schools that have shown commitment to spend, invest, grow, hire, etc are all solid options.
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I like Dayton. Family went there. I remember playing home and homes in the 80's. They pack the house. Our name currently has a little more reputation than theirs, but for a decade or so, we were equal. Bring them in.
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Also, mid major is an out dated term. Most in the media are starting to get past it and dislike the term, seth davis and jay bilas to name a few. Especially now that coaches at so called mid majors are getting paid big bucks and staying put (Shaka, Stevens, few, etc...) the gap between schools from the Bcs conferences is closing.
One last thought, everyone needs to keep in mind this is new, progressive idea with long term tradition and sustainable success at the forefront. Adding schools that have shown commitment to spend, invest, grow, hire, etc are all solid options.
Ok, the current term is "power Six conference"
They are ... Big East, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac-12
These six will consume 45 to 55 of the 68 bids for the NCAA. The other 10 or 12 conferences takes the rest.
The Big East is going away. So is it the Power Five? Will the C7 retain a spot as one of the Power Six? Or, will another conference take the last spot as a Power Six (ie., CUSA, A-10, MW)
If the new C7 is not considered among the Power Six, it really lowers our ceiling. In other words, mid-major
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I finally figured out my number one reason for hating on Dayton:
The camera angle when broadcasting from their Arena. It sucks. No point in investing in HD if you're a Dayton fan, not seeing the game any better.
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I finally figured out my number one reason for hating on Dayton:
The camera angle when broadcasting from their Arena. It sucks. No point in investing in HD if you're a Dayton fan, not seeing the game any better.
+1.
Finally some logic enters this thread.
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Ok, the current term is "power Six conference"
They are ... Big East, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac-12
These six will consume 45 to 55 of the 68 bids for the NCAA. The other 10 or 12 conferences takes the rest.
The Big East is going away. So is it the Power Five? Will the C7 retain a spot as one of the Power Six? Or, will another conference take the last spot as a Power Six (ie., CUSA, A-10, MW)
If the new C7 is not considered among the Power Six, it really lowers our ceiling. In other words, mid-major
I dont think so. PAC 12, big 12, sec consumes what?5-6 bids between those leagues? an all hoops league would be a MAJOR player compared to middle of the road BCS programs... Probably get 5-6 bids alone, with Dayton and SLU.
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What's so great about VCU? Sure, they were a great Cindarella story when they made the Final 4. But so did George Mason and no one is clamping for their inclusion.
I'll take Dayton, on the whole, over VCU on the whole.
And endowments and stadiums and fan bases ALL matter.
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I finally figured out my number one reason for hating on Dayton:
The camera angle when broadcasting from their Arena. It sucks. No point in investing in HD if you're a Dayton fan, not seeing the game any better.
Ha--so true. Always that same frickin mid-court row Z single camera. That was good.
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Ok, the current term is "power Six conference"
They are ... Big East, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac-12
These six will consume 45 to 55 of the 68 bids for the NCAA. The other 10 or 12 conferences takes the rest.
The Big East is going away. So is it the Power Five? Will the C7 retain a spot as one of the Power Six? Or, will another conference take the last spot as a Power Six (ie., CUSA, A-10, MW)
If the new C7 is not considered among the Power Six, it really lowers our ceiling. In other words, mid-major
In what world do the "Power Six" conferences get 45 to 55 NCAA bids each year? Here's the number of teams from these conferences for the past 4 years
2009-36
2010-32
2011-36
2012-32
That's around half the bids and if you subtract the C7 schools and schools rumored to be involved (Butler&Xavier) the number goes well south of 50%.
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Again, this will be the best basketball conference that doesn't sponsor football.
She was the best lookin woman at the leper colony. At the leper colony.
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In what world do the "Power Six" conferences get 45 to 55 NCAA bids each year? Here's the number of teams from these conferences for the past 4 years
2009-36
2010-32
2011-36
2012-32
That's around half the bids and if you subtract the C7 schools and schools rumored to be involved (Butler&Xavier) the number goes well south of 50%.
Correct, I meant to "power six plus automatic bids"
My bad.
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What's so great about VCU? Sure, they were a great Cindarella story when they made the Final 4. But so did George Mason and no one is clamping for their inclusion.
In the past decade, VCU has made the tournament 6 times under 3 different coaches and made the Final Four trip. GMU has made the tournament 3 times all under 1 coach (who is now gone) and made the Final Four trip.
VCU has shown they can prosper through coaching turmoil and keep winning. GMU has shown no such thing. VCU has sustained their success while GMU had one run and little else to show. VCU is a bigger name with a more marketable head coach.
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Dayton is the equivalent of college basketball trailer trash....
In the 90's they had some form of "control" over the running of the MCC.....
So instead of rotating the championship tournament between all the major cities.....(Chicago, Milwaukee, etc ...etc)
They had the NCAA bid tournament designated to be played at Dayton's home arena for 6 years in a row.....YES 6....
They will use any advantage including hiring "hometown" refs that will sku foul advantages.....
Any "hometown" advantage that they can try to employ.....
And if this happens on or "near" the court......You can only imagine how "Kentucky scummy" they are "off the court'.....
There is "a reason" that very few NCAA teams in this area "play" Dayton....want to "deal" with Dayton.....
They simply put are....."THE TRAILER TRASH" of midwest NCAA basketball.....
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In the 90's they had some form of "control" over the running of the MCC.....
So instead of rotating the championship tournament between all the major cities.....(Chicago, Milwaukee, etc ...etc)
They had the NCAA bid tournament designated to be played at Dayton's home arena for 6 years in a row.....YES 6....
Wow, you must HATE St. John's. They've had the Big East Tournament held at their home arena for 30 years in a row.....YES 30....
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Are DePaul or Seton Hall mid-major???
Please no Terry Cummings or Mark Aguire references.....that was 30 years ago.
PJ Carlisimo? is that what SH is hanging their hat on? Didn't the Beast have to tell SH to spend $ on their athletics? Nice.
At least UD gives a sheet about their team.....hatred fuels rivalries.
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Wow, you must HATE St. John's. They've had the Big East Tournament held at their home arena for 30 years in a row.....YES 30....
Wow! Are you really comparing a tourney in the world's greatest city with one in Dayton friggin Ohio? And MSG is the Mecca of basketball while Dayton plays in that dumpy gym. Give me New York any day. A day in Dayton only seems like a week. Only seems like a week.
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At least UD gives a sheet about their team.....hatred fuels rivalries.
Agreed. UD's commitment to their program is why I support their inclusion.
Plus, since we no longer play WVU, we need a new school proficient in the area of couch burning.
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The only real problem with Dayton is that we're creating a conference from scratch and can invite anyone we want in theory to join us. And we're choosing Dayton. Dayton is ok but if you were forming your own conference they wouldn't be high on the list. Sure BCS conferences have teams that you would not pick in them if you were creating a basketball conference from scratch. But those conferences weren't built around basketball besides the BE they were originally built around football or just location. Dayton is fine but there are better options like VCU who has been more successful lately is in a slightly better market, has a larger student base so more opportunity for growth and more potential eyeballs.
My ranking of potential additions after Xavier and Butler are:
Gonzaga
Creighton
VCU
Dayton
SLU
I wish there were any good southern schools to add for demographics, but the best options in terms of basketball success: Davidson, W. Kentucky, Murray St are just too midmajor for my tastes. This is another reason I would love to have Memphis.
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Wow! Are you really comparing a tourney in the world's greatest city with one in Dayton friggin Ohio? And MSG is the Mecca of basketball while Dayton plays in that dumpy gym. Give me New York any day. A day in Dayton only seems like a week. Only seems like a week.
Really didn't think I needed the teal needed the teal.
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I'm not gonna say that adding Dayton would be the worst thing in the world. I mean they'd add... Well I'm sure they'd add something. But why should we take them now? We want to make this conference come out of the gates with programs that either have elite histories (not Dayton) or programs that are damn good now (not Dayton). I just don't think they're what we want right now they don't help us make a big splash and with such a new idea we've gotta stick to schools that do.
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Give the networks/cablesystems a set 12 team conference. Helps with bargaining. Now name who you would rather have as long as it is east of Creighton. Personally, though I love Gonzaga hoops, I like the smaller geographic footprint for the other sports. So give me Dayton over Gonzaga. C-7+ X, Butler, VCU, Dayton, and Creighton and I am ecstatic.
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I'm not gonna say that adding Dayton would be the worst thing in the world. I mean they'd add... Well I'm sure they'd add something. But why should we take them now? We want to make this conference come out of the gates with programs that either have elite histories (not Dayton) or programs that are damn good now (not Dayton). I just don't think they're what we want right now they don't help us make a big splash and with such a new idea we've gotta stick to schools that do.
You're piping the right music Boxer! Dayton ain't Bowel Movement.
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Really didn't think I needed the teal needed the teal.
:D :D
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Really didn't think I needed the teal needed the teal.
fuggedaboutit. fuggedaboutit.
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fuggedaboutit. fuggedaboutit.
Clearly you're a fan of Goodfellas. We get it, Anthony. Get it. (I love the film too.)
But in 'MUScoop life' I actually see you more as the 'Shermanator' from American Pie. I might suggest you watch the film. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
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In terms of on the floor success of making the NCAA's for example, SLU has been to more NCAA tournaments in the past 20 years than Dayton. 5 to 4. I believe Miller will improve upon that quickly moving forward at Dayton until he possibly moves on like his brother did at Xavier. I also believe that SLU with its new $80 million facilities, new benefactors, and new future school President, will also improve. SLU has an important coaching hire coming up for the short term. They both would be fine in a larger new conference imo.
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I think the "hate" is pretty obvious. I color coded the old beast so we could compare to the new one based teams from the top, top mid, low mid, and low. I did not organize them from best to worst in those groups.
Old
Syracuse
UCONN
Pitt
Louisville
MU
Georgetown
ND
Villanova
Cincinnati
WV
SH
Usf
St. Johns
Rutgers
providence
Depaul
The new Big East
MU
Georgetown
Butler
Xavier
Villanova
SH
Depaul
Providence
St. john's
If we use this comparison the new Big East loses its top 4 teams but adds two to what are equivalent to its top middle. The new beast loses 3/4ths of its low middle but hold onto the 3/4s the lows. As a conference the talent level looks to shift from stronger to weaker overall as it appears we hold onto the weaker of the strong and the weaker of the weak. Butler and XU help to add more strong teams. If we don't add a team or teams which are equivalent to the top 4 or top middle it will continue to support the argument that the new big east is significantly weaker than the old one. Dayton doesn't fit that bill as it would fill the low to low middle. SLU does the same.
The new big east should focus on basketball only schools who typically win their conference like Gonzaga. Creighton is a decent team out of the MVC but would compete every few years.
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I think the "hate" is pretty obvious. I color coded the old beast so we could compare to the new one based teams from the top, top mid, low mid, and low. I did not organize them from best to worst in those groups.
Old
Syracuse
UCONN
Pitt
Louisville
MU
Georgetown
ND
Villanova
Cincinnati
WV
SH
Usf
St. Johns
Rutgers
providence
Depaul
The new Big East
MU
Georgetown
Butler
Xavier
Villanova
SH
Depaul
Providence
St. john's
If we use this comparison the new Big East loses its top 4 teams but adds two to what are equivalent to its top middle. The new beast loses 3/4ths of its low middle but hold onto the 3/4s the lows. As a conference the talent level looks to shift from stronger to weaker overall as it appears we hold onto the weaker of the strong and the weaker of the weak. Butler and XU help to add more strong teams. If we don't add a team or teams which are equivalent to the top 4 or top middle it will continue to support the argument that the new big east is significantly weaker than the old one. Dayton doesn't fit that bill as it would fill the low to low middle. SLU does the same.
The new big east should focus on basketball only schools who typically win their conference like Gonzaga. Creighton is a decent team out of the MVC but would compete every few years.
With all those pretty colors he must be right
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I believe ballboy's work is sound. But i think I'd color Creighton with Dayton/SLU.
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In the past decade, VCU has made the tournament 6 times under 3 different coaches and made the Final Four trip. GMU has made the tournament 3 times all under 1 coach (who is now gone) and made the Final Four trip.
VCU has shown they can prosper through coaching turmoil and keep winning. GMU has shown no such thing. VCU has sustained their success while GMU had one run and little else to show. VCU is a bigger name with a more marketable head coach.
Can we please stop making decisions based on Shaka Smart?
VCU is fine and all, but let's not make them out to be another Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier.
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Can we please stop making decisions based on Shaka Smart?
VCU is fine and all, but let's not make them out to be another Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier.
Or BYU. BYU should be part of the new conference.
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No schools with D1 football allowed. That includes BYU. No hoops for you.
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No schools with D1 football allowed. That includes BYU. No hoops for you.
BYU is like ND. They are football indy with their own TV net. If ND wants in would you tell them no???
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Can we please get back to hating Dayton
Why all the Dayton hate?
Because they are F'n annoying and suck.
Love Big Brother
X
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If Notre Dame wants in (ever), they're in.
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Can we please get back to hating Dayton
Why all the Dayton hate?
Because they are F'n annoying and suck.
Love Big Brother
X
All the Dayton hate needed is that X doesn't want them. Case closed.
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Another reason, this thread...
http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22222
Apparently, the A-10 holds the keys to the ignition of the C7's car.
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Another reason, this thread...
http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22222
Apparently, the A-10 holds the keys to the ignition of the C7's car.
Reading that board is creepy. What a delusional lot. The upside for Dayton is that they will compete for the A10 crown in the near term when the elite bolts for the C7.
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Another reason, this thread...
http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22222
Apparently, the A-10 holds the keys to the ignition of the C7's car.
Registration at that site is closed. Apparently they don't value other people's opinions. LOL
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Registration at that site is closed. Apparently the don't value other people's opinions. LOL
I saw that. Talk about paranoid.
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Reading that board is creepy. What a delusional lot. The upside for Dayton is that they will compete for the A10 crown in the near term when the elite bolts for the C7.
+1 - UD talks like they are Butler...!
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Registration at that site is closed. Apparently they don't value other people's opinions. LOL
Funny cause UDPride will go anywhere, including Scoop, to tell everyone why the A10 is THE league to be in.
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Registration at that site is closed. Apparently they don't value other people's opinions. LOL
I saw that. Talk about paranoid.
Funny cause UDPride will go anywhere, including Scoop, to tell everyone why the A10 is THE league to be in.
This fact came up earlier in another thread. (Interesting how all of this conference discussion is just being recycled at this point.) Claim was made by Dayton guys that they'd closed registration two years ago due to extensive trolling by Xavier fans. Xavier/Dayton fan animosity seems to eclipse MU/Badger animosity.
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unnatural carnal knowledgeing idiots. The C7 must stick together or lose their automatic bid.
Plus the C7 lose any chance of retaining the Big East name, etc if they don't stick together.
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This fact came up earlier in another thread. (Interesting how all of this conference discussion is just being recycled at this point.) Claim was made by Dayton guys that they'd closed registration two years ago due to extensive trolling by Xavier fans. Xavier/Dayton fan animosity seems to eclipse MU/Badger animosity.
I'll bet if you ask X fans 100% will tell you Cincy is THE rivalry. Dayton is an annoyance.
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fracking idiots. The C7 must stick together or lose their automatic bid.
Plus the C7 lose any chance of retaining the Big East name, etc if they don't stick together.
Even if the C7 could break apart, the only school I'd consider booting would be Seton Hall for Dayton.
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I'll bet if you ask X fans 100% will tell you Cincy is THE rivalry. Dayton is an annoyance.
The word I used for the relationship between Xavier and Dayton fans was "animosity", not rivalry.
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Reading that board is creepy. What a delusional lot. The upside for Dayton is that they will compete for the A10 crown in the near term when the elite bolts for the C7.
Let's play: What's your favorite delusional statement? Here's mine:
"Any potential lucrative television package that includes the BE7 schools is only lucrative because A10 schools are getting involved to make it lucrative. By themselves, the BE7 schools might be able to get a TV package on the Lifetime Channel, but thats about it." Thanks for playing Chris R.!
I liked the idea of getting Dayton involved. but some of their fans are really getting to me. Creepy is not too strong a word. Title BU and bobber seem to more than have a clue, but that's about it. I guess in their defense, you can say that this conference realignment stuff is new to them. For them, reality could end up being a mother....
In the end, it isn't going to mean squat what any of us think or what any Dayton fans think, it's all going to be what the television people think will be the best (most lucrative) combination.
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Even if the C7 could break apart, the only school I'd consider booting would be Seton Hall for Dayton.
I would rather have the Hall over Dayton 8 days a week.
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There is a lot of really big talk from a program that has won 6 tournament games in the last 44 years. The same amount MU has won in the last 5 years. But seriously they are on the same level as Marquette.
"The Bonnies have as many conference tournament titles in the last 10 years as all of the BE7 combined.
And, of course, we own Marquette - on the court and on the pitch."
Yeah, the Bonnies winning conference titles isn't a good arguement for the strength of your conference, or your team for that matter.
They also treat games against us like their Championships. They love talking about December games from what 6 years ago? Probably goes back to their success in the Great Midwest. On the pitch seriously? This is about basketball.
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There is a lot of really big talk from a program that has won 6 tournament games in the last 44 years. The same amount MU has won in the last 5 years. But seriously they are on the same level as Marquette.
"The Bonnies have as many conference tournament titles in the last 10 years as all of the BE7 combined.
And, of course, we own Marquette - on the court and on the pitch."
Yeah, the Bonnies winning conference titles isn't a good arguement for the strength of your conference, or your team for that matter.
They also treat games against us like their Championships. They love talking about December games from what 6 years ago? Probably goes back to their success in the Great Midwest. On the pitch seriously? This is about basketball.
We gave them the Great White Hope, Brett Roseboro. For the love of God what more can they take from us?
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I'll bet if you ask X fans 100% will tell you Cincy is THE rivalry. Dayton is an annoyance.
This is true.
I hope we leave little brother behind.
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Even if the C7 could break apart, the only school I'd consider booting would be Seton Hall for Dayton.
For Chrissakes why would you boot a core partner? Without all of the Magnificent 7 we don't have the makings of a new conference.
http://geektyrant.com/storage/0999-post-images/magnificent-seven5202012.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1339518936837
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http://geektyrant.com/storage/0999-post-images/magnificent-seven5202012.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1339518936837
If you look at the poster one of the Magnificent Seven is Chico
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This is true.
I hope we leave little brother behind.
So do I. I look forward to squaring against you guys a few times a year. We had some great battles in the past. Xavier was always a tough game.
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http://geektyrant.com/storage/0999-post-images/magnificent-seven5202012.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1339518936837
If you look at the poster one of the Magnificent Seven is Chico
Huh? Yeah Chico. Spoiler alert. He is one of the guys that makes it. The poster also doesn't name Steve McQueen's character. Vin.
What a great movie. And a classic movie theme. I think I'll watch it tonight.
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So what you are saying is that the selection committee doesn't care about these labels. Then why should we care?
Again, this will be the best basketball conference that doesn't sponsor football.
So if the selection committee doesn't care about whether UD is a mid-major, and we don't care about if UD is a mid-major, and even though UD doesn't make the tournament with any sort of regularity, then UD should still be a member because . . . well, why exactly? They aren't good at basketball, do not bring a sizable market, and have no cachet. Sounds perfect! They bring nothing to the table except random good games against good teams.
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So if the selection committee doesn't care about whether UD is a mid-major, and we don't care about if UD is a mid-major, and even though UD doesn't make the tournament with any sort of regularity, then UD should still be a member because . . . well, why exactly? They aren't good at basketball, do not bring a sizable market, and have no cachet. Sounds perfect! They bring nothing to the table except random good games against good teams.
I think you are mistaking me for someone who wants Dayton in the conference.
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Can we please stop making decisions based on Shaka Smart?
VCU is fine and all, but let's not make them out to be another Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier.
Jeff Capel and Anthony Grant had successful runs at VCU immediately prior to Shaka Smart.
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Let's play: What's your favorite delusional statement? Here's mine:
"Any potential lucrative television package that includes the BE7 schools is only lucrative because A10 schools are getting involved to make it lucrative. By themselves, the BE7 schools might be able to get a TV package on the Lifetime Channel, but thats about it." Thanks for playing Chris R.!
Actually, there's a poster here in another thread pretty much saying the same thing, and suggesting the C7 will have to hold its tourney in Indy and Cincy for the next decade AND pay millions of dollars in incentives if there's any hope of adding Xavier and Butler to the new conference.
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I think you are mistaking me for someone who wants Dayton in the conference.
Must have misread you then. Mea culpa.
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Yeah I want to play the conference tournament in their home gym every year. They rub me the wrong way and they are a mid major. Adding Dayton (and a bunch of other teams) means our program is going the wrong way period. Lets not try to sugar coat this...I don't hate Dayton I am just trying to look out for and promote MU's best interest and adding Dayton is not in our best interest. I wish people on this board would start looking at the big picture and realize that MU basketball and all the progress we have made in the last decade is about to be eroded if this school and AD are not proactive. That's the bottom line.
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I would say taking the lead in the C7 split is proactive and prior to this move I haven't liked the AD. Everyone on this board (except possibly the equalizer ;D) wants what is best for MU. The C7 split/new basketball-only conference is it. Now the devil is in the details. 10 vs 12 vs 16. Everybody wants Butler and X but if we stop at 10, who is #10? Is it economically feasible for the rest of the sports if you add Gonzaga? I happen to like Dayton, but am clearly in the minority on this board. All of these things are important, but none are deal-breaking. This is going to happen. It is going to take time to get all of the details worked out.
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I would say taking the lead in the C7 split is proactive and prior to this move I haven't liked the AD. Everyone on this board (except possibly the equalizer ;D) wants what is best for MU. The C7 split/new basketball-only conference is it. Now the devil is in the details. 10 vs 12 vs 16. Everybody wants Butler and X but if we stop at 10, who is #10? Is it economically feasible for the rest of the sports if you add Gonzaga? I happen to like Dayton, but am clearly in the minority on this board. All of these things are important, but none are deal-breaking. This is going to happen. It is going to take time to get all of the details worked out.
There is no need to worry about any of these things. The solutions aren't up to us, they aren't up to the AD's, and they probably won't be up to the university presidents. The TV networks will let us know who they want to pay to broadcast games for, others won't be added unless their is a case where the university presidents are willing to dilute the per school bucks a little to include in the league a team that the TV networks think of as marginal.