15 minutes of good, 15 minutes of bad, 10 minutes of trading baskets.
The ball movement the first 15 minutes was nearly perfect. For the next 15 minutes, there was a lot of standing around, one-on-one basketball and dumb passes. Hard to believe it was the same team. And after going <50% against UWGB from the line, we shot 96%. Lockett and Blue missing layups down the stretch....Blue falling in love with the long pass....JWilson making some of the dumbest passes I can remember..... still unable to guard the 3 while simultaneously unable to shoot it..... Mayo's athleticism and aggressiveness were missed....
Lockett seems to be a liability. Gardner is unbelieveable. Why doesn't he start?
Too many stretches were they look lazy. Not a good enough team to be aggressive for 40 minutes. Am disappointed in the overall effort. Hopefully Buzz can get these guys to push harder for entire game.
Quote from: keefe on December 22, 2012, 03:25:23 PM
Lockett seems to be a liability. Gardner is unbelieveable. Why doesn't he start?
Lockett is not what I expected, but I wouldn't call him a liability. I mean, who else are you going to give his minutes to?
Jamil is the one that is driving me nuts with his play right now. He ended up with a decent statline, but I just wish he played tougher.
I will also say, that I am not sure if it is scheme or execution, but our half court offense against the zone is TERRIBLE. No motion...no ball movement.
Quote from: tower912 on December 22, 2012, 03:19:35 PM
15 minutes of good, 15 minutes of bad, 10 minutes of trading baskets.
The ball movement the first 15 minutes was nearly perfect. For the next 15 minutes, there was a lot of standing around, one-on-one basketball and dumb passes.
Corresponds almost exactly when LSU switched from man to zone.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 22, 2012, 04:16:54 PM
Corresponds almost exactly when LSU switched from man to zone.
Actually they started out in a zone that was very ineffective and we jumped out to a 21-6 lead (or something like that). They then switched back to man and later a more aggressive zone.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 22, 2012, 04:16:54 PM
Corresponds almost exactly when LSU switched from man to zone.
Actually LSU kept playing zone. The difference came when the 7'3" guy Pietro came out ( and, he played sparingly in the second half ). LSUs zone was much more effective without him, though MU did a horrible job of attacking the zone after that ala the GB game.
For the first 15 minutes, MU's zone offense was textbook. Moving the ball quickly, attacking the seams, beating it down the floor. Then they coasted. It was like a switch got flipped. Infuriating. But LSU only really played man in the last 2 minutes.
OK...my bad. I thought they came out in man.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 22, 2012, 04:14:27 PM
Jamil is the one that is driving me nuts with his play right now. He ended up with a decent statline, but I just wish he played tougher.
He looks like he took Dramamine before the game. He is passive coming up the floor, passive with the ball in his hands, and he looked lazy at times on the defensive end. I screamed at him to just run at least twice.
JWilson, on consecutive possessions in the second half, he made stupid, lazy passes and then loafed back on defense.
If Buzz wants to win the tip, I understand why he would start CO. I cannot for the life of me understand why Buzz does not start DG in the second half though. I would maximize DG's minutes. He's so much more effective on offense than CO and no longer a liability on defense.
Quote from: AZWarrior on December 22, 2012, 04:47:16 PM
If Buzz wants to win the tip, I understand why he would start CO. I cannot for the life of me understand why Buzz does not start DG in the second half though. I would maximize DG's minutes. He's so much more effective on offense than CO and no longer a liability on defense.
He knows he is going to want DG in at the end of the game. You need him to have fresh legs. He only has about 20 minutes in him a game. 4 of those have to be at the end, so instead of starting him you use CO.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 22, 2012, 04:14:27 PM
Lockett is not what I expected, but I wouldn't call him a liability. I mean, who else are you going to give his minutes to?
Jamil is the one that is driving me nuts with his play right now. He ended up with a decent statline, but I just wish he played tougher.
I will also say, that I am not sure if it is scheme or execution, but our half court offense against the zone is TERRIBLE. No motion...no ball movement.
I thought Lockett would be like Wes Matthews. Turns out he's more like Joe Chapman.
That's not entirely a negative, but he doesn't have the first step that Wes had.
If he can take and make a few more 3's, it might open up his game a little bit.
Too many lazy type passes, especially by J. Wilson. Could not believe those, and Junior just dribbling it out of bounds.
Thomas missed three wide open threes, Mayo missed two wide open. (that Stringer kid didn't miss much)
Lockett was just brutal in last 10 minutes.
Otule played very good today, one of his best performances in limited time. Great defense on O'Bryant and made his two free throws, in which Buzz went nuts.
Last, when MU went up by like 19 or so, on a Derrick Wilson three, he took Wilson out after that and put in Junior. I don't know why because Wilson was playing good and team had momentum. It went downhill immediately after that sub.
A win is a win, but need to bury these opponents when that far up.
nyg...good point about Otule. Grabbed a lot of rebounds too. He played a pretty good game today.
Anderson also needs to provide just a few points here and there. I mean Buzz starts him and he plays about 15 minutes a game.
In his last five games, he has 3 points and 10 fouls.
I thought this game was key to whether we finished the season with a winning or losing record. I am very Happy with the win. although mayo did not do a lot, I can see where he changes the dynamic of this team.
I think J.Wilson was chewed out. BIG BABY! We don't want him if he acts like this
Was just plain lazy and didn't feel like playing. PICK UP YOUR BALL AND GO HOME! SULKER!!!!
It's a different team this year. They don't run much on other teams like the past MU teams. Junior is starting to play more like Butch Lee and that's a good thing. Vander and Jamil play great and then disappear. Gardner is fun to watch. Otule just isn't the player he was before the injury last year. Steve Taylor should get more playing time. Overall, I think MU should play more aggressive on offense and defense. They are deep enough to shuffle in fresh players like a hockey game.
Quote from: nyg on December 22, 2012, 05:15:53 PM
Anderson also needs to provide just a few points here and there. I mean Buzz starts him and he plays about 15 minutes a game.
In his last five games, he has 3 points and 10 fouls.
I really hope I'm wrong here... but is Juan Anderson a skinnier Erik Williams? Granted, I have never seen either of them in practice, but in game situations they both seem to be high energy defensive/rebounding types with not much affinity for shooting or driving.
Funeral to attend earlier today, didn't finish the game until a few minutes ago. I'm amazed at our defensive liabilities and how they come in droves.
Blowing the 21 point lead took some time, but we certainly did it. Then we're up 9 (I think 50 to 41 or something like that) in the second half and it seemed 90 seconds later it was a 1 point game. Then back up to nine (58 to 49), only to be tied like 90 seconds later. I could be way off on my timing as I was using the DVR a bit, but it seemed to happen really fast. Sloppy passing, bad defense, etc. Then up 8 again, then tied. Crazy. Jekyll and Hyde sometimes.
The homerun ball at the end, was not happy about. That was lucky. We're up 4, and we almost gave them a free possession on that one to cut it to two or one as a result.
But, a win and a badly needed one.
Don't think I've ever seen Cadougan compared to Butch Lee....and don't quite see how Cadougan plays anywhere near the style Lee played.
Quote from: Norm on December 22, 2012, 07:08:54 PM
Don't think I've ever seen Cadougan compared to Butch Lee....and don't quite see how Cadougan plays anywhere near the style Lee played.
You beat me to this one. If I had many choice I think I'd take Butch.
W is a W...AND no "why don't they practice free throws" post today is two good things for pre-christmas feast
Quote from: keefe on December 22, 2012, 03:25:23 PM
Lockett seems to be a liability. Gardner is unbelieveable. Why doesn't he start?
Starting or not, he needs 10-15 shot attempts per game. Dude can just score.
Great start with transition points before the game slowed and LSU settled into their zone. Same issues with the turnovers in the zone, many unforced, and bad transition defense after...including off long rebounds coming on late/forced threes by MU.
Vander and Junior hit some clutch threes to show some moxie...but Otule as a space eater and Gardner to wear down LSU's bigs were the key. Great clutch free throw shooting. Great time out play by Buzz to go to Gardner with O'Brien with four fouls. DG was outstanding...I think he had a few more steals than his five.
Game management was horrendous in last four minutes. Buzz said as much after.
Quote from: Norm on December 22, 2012, 07:08:54 PM
Don't think I've ever seen Cadougan compared to Butch Lee....and don't quite see how Cadougan plays anywhere near the style Lee played.
Truer words were never typed on this board. Jr. can't carry Butch's jockstrap. Like comparing a guard at the Y in the Saturday morning league to Jordan.
Quote from: keefe on December 22, 2012, 03:25:23 PM
Lockett seems to be a liability. Gardner is unbelieveable. Why doesn't he start?
So far this season, Chris Otule is 10-1 when it comes to winning the tipoff.
Quote from: keefe on December 22, 2012, 03:25:23 PM
Lockett seems to be a liability. Gardner is unbelieveable. Why doesn't he start?
Lockett is the best we have at creating his own shot. Gardner is great when you get him the ball and is so-so on D.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 23, 2012, 07:32:23 AM
So far this season, Chris Otule is 10-1 when it comes to winning the tipoff.
I was also following that. The only one he lost was against Green Bay where he did not even try to jump. That is a bad omen, when we do not even try to win the tip off.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 22, 2012, 06:45:13 PM
I really hope I'm wrong here... but is Juan Anderson a skinnier Erik Williams? Granted, I have never seen either of them in practice, but in game situations they both seem to be high energy defensive/rebounding types with not much affinity for shooting or driving.
This is almost as wrong as saying Cadougan is playing like Butch. Anderson is much better on defense than Eric Williiams. Williams was stronger, but I think overall Anderson is the better offensive player.
Quote from: radome on December 23, 2012, 08:41:45 AM
Lockett is the best we have at creating his own shot. Gardner is great when you get him the ball and is so-so on D.
I'm not sure I've seen Lockett create anything other than a charge or turnover this season. His makes lately have been on wide open jumpers. Vander and junior can create, so can jamil. None of them seem to try consistently to do so however.
All in all, if you had just told me we beat LSU, scored a ton of points, and have 4-5 guys score in double figures I'd be happy. The let down was obviously bad, but remember we won about 8 games last year after starting the the first 4 min down 12-15 pts, so that sort of thing happens. It shouldn't, but it does.
The main take aways should be lots of points, mayo getting back, and getting the win.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 22, 2012, 04:56:06 PM
I thought Lockett would be like Wes Matthews. Turns out he's more like Joe Chapman.
Why the hate for Joe Chapman? He was a warrior. A true warrior. Who can forget his puking into the trash can then going back in? When Lockett gives us that degree of intensity then and only then can he be compared to the lions of MU. Only then.
Quote from: JTBMU7 on December 23, 2012, 10:00:15 AM
I'm not sure I've seen Lockett create anything other than a charge or turnover this season.
+1
+1
Quote from: keefe on December 23, 2012, 04:15:29 PM
Why the hate for Joe Chapman? He was a warrior. A true warrior. Who can forget his puking into the trash can then going back in? When Lockett gives us that degree of intensity then and only then can he be compared to the lions of MU. Only then.
I'm not hating on Chapman at all, but he wasn't as effective as Wes.
Lockett works hard, teammates like him, he seems to provide leadership. But, he's not as effective as Wes.
He's more like Chapman. Nice player, about 1/2 step slow. Can be effective in spurts.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 23, 2012, 09:27:05 PM
I'm not hating on Chapman at all, but he wasn't as effective as Wes.
Lockett works hard, teammates like him, he seems to provide leadership. But, he's not as effective as Wes.
He's more like Chapman. Nice player, about 1/2 step slow. Can be effective in spurts.
Yep. And players like that are important...bound to disappoint fans...but important nevertheless.
Otule did a really nice job playing man defense on LSU's O'Bryant; made him work very hard for everything and made it so MU didn't need to double-team him. I'm a huge fan of Gardner's offense, but he really isn't in Otule's league defensively, especially against a long, quick post player. There are plenty of minutes for both of them, and Buzz has a pretty darn good sense of when to use each.
If Thomas can't hit that 3, he can't be in the game. It's pretty simple.
Mayo looked incredibly rusty but gotta give him the benefit of the doubt for a week or three. He needs to get most, if not all, of Jake's minutes and a good chunk of Lockett's minutes, too.
Lockett had a nice start and then disappeared. He is frustrating to watch, but not as frustrating as Jamil. All that talent. I was at the game -- probably my only appearance this year, as I live 1,000 miles away -- and he actually was getting booed after his lazy passes. But he did hit that 4-point play. Wow.
Don't like TOs by Vander and especially Junior, but at least they are willing to step up and try to win games. Junior came through pretty huge down the stretch, which makes in twice in recent wins (other being Wiscy, of course).
Juan is giving about what I expected this season. Maybe a little more. I like his intensity. I'd take another bucket or two a game, but he's valuable either way in limited minutes. Steve Taylor is not a finished product. There are minutes for both of them, too.
Very frustrating to watch us shut down offensively for 10-15 minute stretches this season. Can't win Big East games against good teams (or maybe even bad teams) doing that. Can't give up so many wide-open threes in today's college basketball, especially when we aren't making many ourselves.
Glad we won (and more than a little relieved). Any win is a good one, and LSU is not a bad team at all.
My 2 1/2 cents (with inflation).
Quote from: Norm on December 22, 2012, 07:08:54 PM
Don't think I've ever seen Cadougan compared to Butch Lee....and don't quite see how Cadougan plays anywhere near the style Lee played.
Lee was a 2 to Boylan's 1. Lee was the principal threat. Different guys, different skills, different eras. Different eras.
Quote from: JTBMU7 on December 23, 2012, 10:00:15 AM
I'm not sure I've seen Lockett create anything other than a charge or turnover this season.
Time for a new prescription, then. Lockett is very good at driving to the hoop and making the up-and-under scoop shots. He can definitely create his own shot. He doesn't have ideal quickness, but he does have a few go-to moves that can work pretty well for him.