All the sudden it seems like Georgetown is getting cold feet. They are the cornerstone to this whole thing, they bring the cache, they bring a lot of money, they bring prestige. I am starting to feel like this is not going to happen like we all think this will happen.
Maybe this will be Hiroshima?
cachet.
and no.
Nope. Takes time, need to relax.
Oh, I thought you were going to say; "Me starting a new thread."
Standard Kenosha Warrior post.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on December 14, 2012, 08:41:05 AM
All the sudden it seems like Georgetown is getting cold feet. They are the cornerstone to this whole thing, they bring the cache, they bring a lot of money, they bring prestige. I am starting to feel like this is not going to happen like we all think this will happen.
Maybe this will be Hiroshima?
I don't think it would have gotten this far in the media without G'Town okaying it. I think they are all just determining the best way to break it off (leave, dissolve the league, keep the Big East name, etc...).
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 14, 2012, 08:45:33 AM
Oh, I thought you were going to say; "Me starting a new thread."
The internet: Home to anonymous haters
Der.... Georgetown is not getting cold feet. There is no definite exit plan in place... options are being discussed. Georgetown has been the only one to say publicly that they're yet unsure as to how this is going to play out. If anyone bothered to ask the same question of the other six, they'd say the same thing, but no one has, so some bloggers have misconstrued that to mean Georgetown is having cold feet.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on December 14, 2012, 08:52:34 AM
The internet: Home to anonymous haters
Andrew Hess. Civil Engineering Class of 2009. Hater.
The longer this takes, the better I feel. Does that seem contradictory? I'm concerned that if we rush things, we won't do it right. We'll take schools that we know will say yes and in the process might leave money on the table that should be ours. Save an announcement until Monday. This is good news, put it at the front of the week's news cycle, not the back. Or save it even longer, like until the first week of March. Then when more eyes are on college basketball than any other time of the year, the entire country will be talking about our new non-football super-conference.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 14, 2012, 08:44:22 AM
cachet.
and no.
What's with this board using that word all of a sudden? I could go years and probably never hear it again. It's like the guy who gets the word of the day and uses it all day to impress his friends but it just stands out as weird.
Father Pilarz needs to cash in all of his Georgetown chits.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 14, 2012, 08:58:08 AM
What's with this board using that word all of a sudden? I could go years and probably never hear it again. It's like the guy who gets the word of the day and uses it all day to impress his friends but it just stands out as weird.
It's a word infrequently used but in this case is incredibly relevant and sums up many things at once. The problem is the Big East hasn't added anyone of true quality in awhile. Everyone they went for had some fatal flaw. Whether it's Temple and Memphis having awful football, SMU and Houston having awful basketball, or Tulane simply having nothing but ugly babies, we were bringing in schools that didn't up the profile of the league, they simply filled vacant seats.
Now we are actively out looking for schools that bring name recognition, quality, and prestige. Rather than typing all those words every time, one word will suit. Personally, I think it's nice being able to say that some of our targets have cachet, because ever since the 2005 C-USA raid, schools that can be described like that simply haven't been on the Big East radar.
Quote from: Badgerhater on December 14, 2012, 09:00:24 AM
Father Pilarz needs to cash in all of his Georgetown chits.
This.
Too bad Jack the dog (and ex-official Hoya mascot) isn't still alive so he can look at the GU president with sad eyes.
No worries. Georgetown may be making one last call to the ACC but it isn't happening. It's just difficult for them as a charter member. And Fr. P has a great deal of influence almost certainly. Also expect Providence leadership to re-explain 1979.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 14, 2012, 08:55:29 AM
Andrew Hess. Civil Engineering Class of 2009. Hater.
You win the Internet for today. We can all go home.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2012, 09:02:22 AM
It's a word infrequently used but in this case is incredibly relevant and sums up many things at once. The problem is the Big East hasn't added anyone of true quality in awhile. Everyone they went for had some fatal flaw. Whether it's Temple and Memphis having awful football, SMU and Houston having awful basketball, or Tulane simply having nothing but ugly babies, we were bringing in schools that didn't up the profile of the league, they simply filled vacant seats.
Now we are actively out looking for schools that bring name recognition, quality, and prestige. Rather than typing all those words every time, one word will suit. Personally, I think it's nice being able to say that some of our targets have cachet, because ever since the 2005 C-USA raid, schools that can be described like that simply haven't been on the Big East radar.
Except, perhaps, for some football only members.
Georgetown is a must for this conference IMO. They are the wild card and we need to make sure they part of this long term.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 14, 2012, 08:58:08 AM
What's with this board using that word all of a sudden? I could go years and probably never hear it again. It's like the guy who gets the word of the day and uses it all day to impress his friends but it just stands out as weird.
I really only pointed it out because there was an entire thread dedicated to the difference between cache and cachet. I guess I'm a hater too.
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 14, 2012, 09:11:34 AM
Except, perhaps, for some football only members.
True. Boise State would fit that mold. Odds on them ever playing in this conference now?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 14, 2012, 08:55:29 AM
Andrew Hess. Civil Engineering Class of 2009. Hater.
Happy birthday, no longer anonymous internet hater.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 14, 2012, 09:12:23 AM
I really only pointed it out because there was an entire thread dedicated to the difference between cache and cachet. I guess I'm a hater too.
It wasn't pointed at you but KW for using it. I did find it funny, like you, that he used it wrong after a whole thread on the spelling.
Quote from: Badgerhater on December 14, 2012, 09:00:24 AM
Father Pilarz needs to cash cashet in all of his Georgetown chits.
Sorry. Pet peeve.
I'm sorry... but it wouldn't have got to this point if Georgetown wasn't on board. Georgetown is not going to turn their backs on the other six at this point because the ACC is going to give them a better deal. The C7 movement is philosophical, not financial. There's nothing that the ACC has to offer in that regard.
Unless the ACC is taking the C7, GU is not going to the ACC. No way. No how.
Granted, DeGioia is the only sectarian president in the C7 (I think)... there's no way he's going to pull a Bielema on a bunch of collars. They might excommunicate him.
Ever since the football powers started this conference arms race, the ultimate endgame for the MU's of the world has been a basketball-only conference. This insane game of musical chairs leaves no other conclusion. The C7 have finally made official what many here have been hoping for and predicting for the last couple of years. BUT THIS SH^% AIN'T GONNA GET DONE IN A DAY!!!!! This is a big, bold step and it is going to take time. There are going to be pauses, stumbles, and glitches. It's not gonna be easy and it's not gonna be pretty. Right now, kenosha, you are watching the sausage get made. Relax.
Quote from: Benny B on December 14, 2012, 09:17:40 AM
The C7 movement is philosophical, not financial.
Every conference move is about money.
Quote from: warrior_rugby15 on December 14, 2012, 09:28:26 AM
Every conference move is about money.
Well then, it looks like the C7 won't be moving then.... everyone else will.
Bad feeling - Yes. But I think the decision to move is made, with or without Georgetown. Larry seems to be driving the bus and the issue is what exit to take and who gets on the bus. But the bus is leaving, unless it is not true that 6 of the 7 non-football schools can vote to leave without a penalty, etc.
We sure as heck better be able to keep our basketball NCAA units and our portion of the buy outs that are currently due... if not, there should be a lawsuit.
Quote from: Goose on December 14, 2012, 09:12:10 AM
Georgetown is a must for this conference IMO. They are the wild card and we need to make sure they part of this long term.
See...no they aren't. Georgetown is either going to leave with MU or go to the ACC. If they go to the ACC, we are still better off leaving the craptastic future Big East.
I wish this board would stop being a bunch of chicken littles and worrying about everything. Marquette and its basketball program are going to be in a fine place...not as good as "old Big East," but a lot better than "new Big East."
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 14, 2012, 10:00:28 AM
See...no they aren't. Georgetown is either going to leave with MU or go to the ACC. If they go to the ACC, we are still better off leaving the craptastic future Big East.
I wish this board would stop being a bunch of chicken littles and worrying about everything. Marquette and its basketball program are going to be in a fine place...not as good as "old Big East," but a lot better than "new Big East."
This.
And as we speak LW is fielding calls from many schools asking him to personally lead them out of the wilderness. Creighton, Xavier, Butler, SLU, Dayton, Gonzaga, VCU...
All of this will be decided by a small group of people for the sole purpose of benefiting the C7 in the long term and those that are asked to join us will exclaim 'Thank you, God!' just like the kid in Animal House. Book it.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 14, 2012, 10:00:28 AM
I wish this board would stop being a bunch of chicken littles and worrying about everything. Marquette and its basketball program are going to be in a fine place...not as good as "old Big East," but a lot better than "new Big East."
+1,000,000,000,000 Making up things to get worried about gets really old.
If we had a crystal ball and if we knew that Memphis, Temple, UConn, Cinci and the basketball schools wouldl all be together for the next 10 to 15 years, I would want to stay in the Big East.
But, we all know that UConn is probably going to get an invite within the next couple of years, then Cinci. So then the only real marquee team left is Memphis. So, there is no choice but to move on... UConn and Cinci and Memphis are the reasons to stay but two of those will be gone soon the way this realignment stuff happens.
No choice, with or without Georgetown. I think that is Larry's comment about being the bigger fish/dog... It sure would be nice to have Georgetown, but either-way, this is the time. Risky, yes... but if we can get a solid TV deal NOW, then this is the time.
Quote from: Badgerhater on December 14, 2012, 09:00:24 AM
Father Pilarz needs to cash in all of his Georgetown chits.
Did you mean cache?
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2012, 09:28:21 AM
Ever since the football powers started this conference arms race, the ultimate endgame for the MU's of the world has been a basketball-only conference. This insane game of musical chairs leaves no other conclusion. The C7 have finally made official what many here have been hoping for and predicting for the last couple of years. BUT THIS SH^% AIN'T GONNA GET DONE IN A DAY!!!!! This is a big, bold step and it is going to take time. There are going to be pauses, stumbles, and glitches. It's not gonna be easy and it's not gonna be pretty. Right now, kenosha, you are watching the sausage get made. Relax.
Absolutely.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 14, 2012, 10:00:28 AM
I wish this board would stop being a bunch of chicken littles and worrying about everything. Marquette and its basketball program are going to be in a fine place...not as good as "old Big East," but a lot better than "new Big East."
Yes. This. Apparently today is the day when all of the concern-trollers crawl out from their doom bunkers, to express how concerned, fearful, and full of doom they are, and we all have to feel that way, too.
Doom is just around the corner! ... until it isn't. Repeatedly. Over and over and over.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 14, 2012, 10:00:28 AM
Georgetown is either going to leave with MU or go to the ACC. If they go to the ACC, we are still better off leaving the craptastic future Big East.
Since Chapman already gave his "+1,000,000,000,000" to your second paragraph of your post, I figured I'd show some love for the first paragraph.
Amen, brother. I am so happy that Marquette and the rest of the C7 are jumping off the sinking ship. With or without Georgetown, they will be in a much better place. I honestly think that this is the best thing that could happen to Marquette's program and I've been hoping for this for a long time.
Quote from: Badgerhater on December 14, 2012, 09:00:24 AM
Father Pilarz needs to cash in all of his Georgetown chits.
Or call the Head Jesuit in Rome and make Georgetown do what it should do.
Thank God we're all sticking together on this!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 14, 2012, 08:55:29 AM
Andrew Hess. Civil Engineering Class of 2009. Hater.
hilarious
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 14, 2012, 10:00:28 AM
See...no they aren't. Georgetown is either going to leave with MU or go to the ACC. If they go to the ACC, we are still better off leaving the craptastic future Big East.
I wish this board would stop being a bunch of chicken littles and worrying about everything. Marquette and its basketball program are going to be in a fine place...not as good as "old Big East," but a lot better than "new Big East."
With Virginia in the ACC, the odds are 0.00% GU goes to the ACC. Think BC/UConn. Virginia has the DC TV market for the ACC. They are not sharing it. Period, discussion over.
If Virginia leaves the ACC then the odds of GU going to the ACC rise to
slightly above 0%. The ACC would look to replace them with a
football school. The ACC already has one non-football school (ND) and they agreed to play five ACC teams a year in football. Football drives the Bus and GU does not have ACC caliber football so they lose.
Regarding the chicken littles, if you go through life assuming everything prediction on this board is wrong, you will look like Nostradamus. So, feel good some are worried about this move.