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Title: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 30, 2012, 09:41:28 AM
For some reason, I think most of us thought he would come in and perform above and beyond what transpired at ASU. At this point Lockett is just another guy. Maybe there's more in his tank.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: Badgerhater on November 30, 2012, 09:50:45 AM
I don't think a single person thought that Lockett was ever going to sniff the NBA.

He is a solid player who would make a perfect 6th man.

Let's reserve our judgement for BE play.  It takes awhile to adjust to a system if you aren't star material.

With that said, Lockett is capable of winning a few games for MU.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on November 30, 2012, 09:53:26 AM
No he is not.  Looks like he is running in sand
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: RJax55 on November 30, 2012, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 30, 2012, 09:41:28 AM
For some reason, I think most of us thought he would come in and perform above and beyond what transpired at ASU. At this point Lockett is just another guy. Maybe there's more in his tank.

Yeah, I thought his impact would be greater. But truthfully, I don't watch ASU hoops, so my hope was based off his stats and comments from others.

I hope Anderson can push him for minutes. In what I've seen so far, Anderson is a younger, more athletic version of Trent.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: 79Warrior on November 30, 2012, 09:57:33 AM
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on November 30, 2012, 09:53:26 AM
No he is not.  Looks like he is running in sand

Lockett plays because we have few other options. Buzz can only play what he has.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: Clam Crowder on November 30, 2012, 10:02:29 AM
Trent is not a bad player, he is just slower than the players we're used to and he like Jake is not very aggressive on the offensive end sometimes. The guy averaged 15 last year. He has some talent, he just has to be more confident
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: Blue Horseshoe on November 30, 2012, 10:05:26 AM
What is the point of this thread? Lockett can't play football? There is no need to bring up Russell Wilson in a basketball thread.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: chapman on November 30, 2012, 10:07:52 AM
Just looking at his career stats.  If you increase his minutes to what he was playing at ASU and might get if he has a larger role in a tighter rotation in BE play, none of the measures are grossly out of line with his body of work except for the shooting percentages.  Actually, most of the per minute statistics are better this year.  Hopefully the shooting is just a slow start and figuring out his fit and not a permanent system issue or a competition issue.  But anyone who expected 15/8/5 is going to be disappointed.

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Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: jficke13 on November 30, 2012, 10:08:24 AM
I hate college football, excuse me, minor league football with every fiber of my being. And I cannot stand Russel Wilson
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: BCHoopster on November 30, 2012, 10:09:24 AM
If he scored 14 a game at ASU, there must be some skills offensively that the coach at AU was doing to get him the ball in his comfort zone, right now I do not see how he scored
14 a game, he must have been on a bad team.  He does nothing bad, but nothing special.  I hope we see improvement.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: ErickJD08 on November 30, 2012, 10:24:40 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 30, 2012, 10:09:24 AM
If he scored 14 a game at ASU, there must be some skills offensively that the coach at AU was doing to get him the ball in his comfort zone, right now I do not see how he scored
14 a game, he must have been on a bad team.  He does nothing bad, but nothing special.  I hope we see improvement.

Its tough to put a finger on him and that is his major problem I think.  He looks like he is just running around playing a pick up game.  This is kinda on Buzz.  Lockett has ZERO role on the team but Buzz needs to give him one.  If he is a jump shooter, make him the guy that catches the "extra pass".  If he is a scorer, run some plays for him.  If he is a rebounder, make sure he is crashing hard.  Ultimately, I think he looks slow out there because he doesn't know what to do.  Hopefully that changes come January.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: Dawson Rental on November 30, 2012, 10:27:49 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 30, 2012, 10:09:24 AM
If he scored 14 a game at ASU, there must be some skills offensively that the coach at AU was doing to get him the ball in his comfort zone, right now I do not see how he scored
14 a game, he must have been on a bad team.  He does nothing bad, but nothing special.  I hope we see improvement.

He was on bad teams at ASU.  He led them in scoring as a sophomore and junior at 13.4 and 13 points respectively.  He led the team in rebounds with 5.8 last year, was second in rebounding the year before with 5.5 a game.  I thought that he would be better than he was at ASU because he wouldn't be the focus of the other team's defense here like he was at ASU.  Now I'm thinking maybe ASU opponents didn't have to worry too much about defense.  Hopefully, he is still adjusting to a new system and new teammates and he will contribute more in increased minutes soon.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: Dawson Rental on November 30, 2012, 10:33:36 AM
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on November 30, 2012, 10:05:26 AM
What is the point of this thread? Lockett can't play football? There is no need to bring up Russell Wilson in a basketball thread.

The comparison 4ever was making was that he was a three year graduate who had had an impact in a Division I sport at his old school, so he was expected to have a starring role at his new school (like Russel Wilson). Not too huge a leap.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: ringout on November 30, 2012, 10:47:28 AM
Sounds like what the board was saying about Jamil this time last year.

Not saying he'll be Jamil, but he needs to figure out where he fits.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: Blue Horseshoe on November 30, 2012, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 30, 2012, 10:33:36 AM
The comparison 4ever was making was that he was a three year graduate who had had an impact in a Division I sport at his old school, so he was expected to have a starring role at his new school (like Russel Wilson). Not too huge a leap.

It's a big leap when talking different sports. Maddening to think you can compare the two...because they are not equal in any regard. It is also important to note that Russel Wilson is the EXCEPTION to the rule regarding transfer athletes. Most make little to not impact, not the other way around.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: chapman on November 30, 2012, 12:08:21 PM
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on November 30, 2012, 10:53:28 AM
It's a big leap when talking different sports. Maddening to think you can compare the two...because they are not equal in any regard. It is also important to note that Russel Wilson is the EXCEPTION to the rule regarding transfer athletes. Most make little to not impact, not the other way around.

At least a few of the commentators have spoken of Lockett's path to MU or other graduate-transfers as taking advantage of the "Russell Wilson Rule".  Due to Wilson's success it's a term that is sticking for anyone who transfers as a "free agent" after graduating.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: LON on November 30, 2012, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 30, 2012, 09:41:28 AM
For some reason, I think most of us thought he would come in and perform above and beyond what transpired at ASU. At this point Lockett is just another guy. Maybe there's more in his tank.

As long as he's not Danny O'Brien we should be fine, aina?
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: The Equalizer on November 30, 2012, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 30, 2012, 10:27:49 AM
He was on bad teams at ASU.  He led them in scoring as a sophomore and junior at 13.4 and 13 points respectively.  He led the team in rebounds with 5.8 last year, was second in rebounding the year before with 5.5 a game.  I thought that he would be better than he was at ASU because he wouldn't be the focus of the other team's defense here like he was at ASU.  Now I'm thinking maybe ASU opponents didn't have to worry too much about defense.  Hopefully, he is still adjusting to a new system and new teammates and he will contribute more in increased minutes soon.

What made you think he wouldn't have become the primary target of defenses at MU this year?   You say it yourself--he was the best player on ASU with 13 points a game.  Blue, Cadougan or Wilson didn't put up those kind of numbers--even though Crowder and DJO drew the primary defensive assignements.   So where would you put primary defenses?  A guy who put up 13/game despite drawing the best defenders?  Or guys who averaged 7 or 8 against the 2nd or 3rd tier defender?  

Plus, he's playing fewer minutes.  22 versus 35 per game.  You'd have to multily his MU stats by 1.6 to make an apples to apples comparision to last year.

He's scoring 8 ppg in 22 minutes.  If he played 35 minutes he'd be scoring 12.7--pretty close to last season's 13 ppg.  Rebounds this year ar 4.4 in 22 miniutes, which projects to 7.0 per game if he put in the minutes he did last year (an improvement on his 5.8) He's already nearly equalling last year's per-game asssist numbers, despite a 35% reduction in playing time.  His offensive rating of 106 is slightly ahead of last year's 100.

I think Lockett is delivering exactly what we should have expected.

Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: jficke13 on November 30, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: chapman on November 30, 2012, 12:08:21 PM
At least a few of the commentators have spoken of Lockett's path to MU or other graduate-transfers as taking advantage of the "Russell Wilson Rule".  Due to Wilson's success it's a term that is sticking for anyone who transfers as a "free agent" after graduating.

It won't be sticking along for too long. I heard the NCAA is closing the door on this "loophole"
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: jesmu84 on November 30, 2012, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on November 30, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
It won't be sticking along for too long. I heard the NCAA is closing the door on this "loophole"

and they should. so unfair to let the "student-athletes" transfer and not sit out/sacrifice a year of their eligibility. i mean, it's not like they let coaches/administrators do it.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: jficke13 on November 30, 2012, 01:00:12 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 30, 2012, 12:51:51 PM
and they should. so unfair to let the "student-athletes" transfer and not sit out/sacrifice a year of their eligibility. i mean, it's not like they let coaches/administrators do it.

I do find it awfully strange that the plan is to punish the guys who 1. Graduate with eligibility remaining, and 2. Pursue a graduate degree at another institution. So you're a good student who wants to use his athletic ability to further his education? Well nuts to that, buddy!
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2012, 01:00:32 PM
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 30, 2012, 10:24:40 AM
Its tough to put a finger on him and that is his major problem I think.  He looks like he is just running around playing a pick up game.  This is kinda on Buzz.  Lockett has ZERO role on the team but Buzz needs to give him one.  If he is a jump shooter, make him the guy that catches the "extra pass".  If he is a scorer, run some plays for him.  If he is a rebounder, make sure he is crashing hard.  Ultimately, I think he looks slow out there because he doesn't know what to do.  Hopefully that changes come January.

Excellent point.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2012, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on November 30, 2012, 01:00:12 PM
I do find it awfully strange that the plan is to punish the guys who 1. Graduate with eligibility remaining, and 2. Pursue a graduate degree at another institution. So you're a good student who wants to use his athletic ability to further his education? Well nuts to that, buddy!

Yeah, detractors act like this happens all the time and it could ruin college sports.

Actually, everybody involved should encourage this. If a kid graduates in 3 years and wants to further himself, his reward should be "free agency." It's the least the NCAA can do.
Title: Re: Lockett Is No Russell Wilson
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2012, 01:02:40 PM
The main surprise to me has been how athletic Lockett isn't.
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