Tomorrow we have a very winnable game against Mississippi State. We win that, and we are 1-1 in Maui...probably no different than what would have happened had we won today. We were not gonna beat UNC. Maybe the RPI is slightly better with a win over Butler and a L to UNC...but whatever...its 1-1.
We win tomorrow, I will immediately erase this game from my mind.
A ridiculous shot was made. It happens. Move forward.
Victor, you know better. This board can not move forward!!!@!@!!!! THEY DESERVED IT!@!@!!!!!!
I think we play Wednesday too if we win tomorrow, right?
Very exciting game. Lousy ending. Our forwards couldn't guard the drive, but Butler couldn't make FT's. Blue and Cadougan really showed up, JWilson left his game on the mainland. Ah, well.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on November 19, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
I think we play Wednesday too if we win tomorrow, right?
Yes, just didn't want to get too far ahead of myself...
Not much you can do about the shot. Good game. Need a much better effort from Jamil. He hurt us today.
Worst part is all the games are now going to be during the work day.
Biggest positive of today was Vander having a great game...started out terrible but stuck with it, and had what I feel was his best game yet at MU. Hope this is a springboard for his confidence and he can sustain a similar level of play the rest of the year.
On the other hand - Did Jamil Wilson make the trip to Maui? Awful..in every facet today. Terrible D. Terrible O. Fouls. Juan Anderson should have gotten all of Jamil's minutes in the 2nd half.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on November 19, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
I think we play Wednesday too if we win tomorrow, right?
We play Wednesday no matter what happens. However, lose to Miss. State and we play Chaminade. Not good.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 19, 2012, 05:06:01 PM
Worst part is all the games are now going to be during the work day.
You mean best part if you have the ability to stream at work...
Quote from: RJax55 on November 19, 2012, 05:07:23 PM
We play Wednesday no matter what happens. However, lose to Miss. State and we play Chaminade. Not good.
Yeah "glass half full" goes out the window if we lose to Miss. State. Then its Code Red.
Must win tomorrow.
Quote from: Ners on November 19, 2012, 05:06:52 PM
Biggest positive of today was Vander having a great game...started out terrible but stuck with it, and had what I feel was his best game yet at MU. Hope this is a springboard for his confidence and he can sustain a similar level of play the rest of the year.
But then what will we discuss on Scoop?
Will Buzz show the guys the Consolation Banners in the gym's storage room tonight?
Quote from: tower912 on November 19, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
Very exciting game. Lousy ending. Our forwards couldn't guard the drive, but Butler couldn't make FT's. Blue and Cadougan really showed up, JWilson left his game on the mainland. Ah, well.
J. Wilson had no points, three rebounds and fouled out. Marshal and Jones just ate him up on the inside. MU will be hurting big time if he does not improve.
Vander was terrible in first half, but played probably his best half of basketball ever in the second half.
Lockett may not be the replacement everyone thought he would be.
It took a miracle shot by Thomas just to get the lead, then MU gives up a layup real quick. The missed free throw by Junior was just another error, but not the big one.
Just amazing how high level programs shoot free throws.
Butler was worse from the foul line than MU was. MU lost this game because of poor rebounding and the inability of our forwards to defend.
Quote from: Ners on November 19, 2012, 05:06:52 PM
Biggest positive of today was Vander having a great game...started out terrible but stuck with it, and had what I feel was his best game yet at MU. Hope this is a springboard for his confidence and he can sustain a similar level of play the rest of the year.
+1 - Only saw the last 9 minutes because of work, but that was the best stretch I remember ever seeing from him.
Quote from: nyg on November 19, 2012, 05:12:39 PM
J. Wilson had no points, three rebounds and fouled out. Marshal and Jones just ate him up on the inside. MU will be hurting big time if he does not improve.
Vander was terrible in first half, but played probably his best half of basketball ever in the second half.
Lockett may not be the replacement everyone thought he would be.
It took a miracle shot by Thomas just to get the lead, then MU gives up a layup real quick. The missed free throw by Junior was just another error, but not the big one.
Just amazing how high level programs shoot free throws.
And I have no idea what people see in Derrick Wilson. He isnt ready this year. He plays like a football player turned basketball player....which is exactly what he is. He didnt receive high major scholarships to play running back because he isnt athletic enough and doesnt have the speed. Mid-level programs liked him at safety but he didnt like the idea of playing defense. Thus, he chose bball. Hopefully, he figures it out.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 19, 2012, 05:26:15 PM
And I have no idea what people see in Derrick Wilson. He isnt ready this year. He plays like a football player turned basketball player....which is exactly what he is. He didnt receive high major scholarships to play running back because he isnt athletic enough and doesnt have the speed. Mid-level programs liked him at safety but he didnt like the idea of playing defense. Thus, he chose bball. Hopefully, he figures it out.
You're complaining about the wrong Wilson. Derrick was fine. Did his job, ran the offense, didn't turn it over and played pretty good d on Clarke. It was Jamil that was the problem.
Testify. We got exactly what we expected from DWilson. JWilson leaving his game on the mainland was the single biggest problem.
Quote from: tower912 on November 19, 2012, 05:33:52 PM
Testify. We got exactly what we expected from DWilson. JWilson leaving his game on the mainland was the single biggest problem.
Or 4 of our frontcourt players spending the bulk of the second half with 4 fouls. There were a lot of problems with that game. What makes it worse is that we're going to be seeing Clarke's ridiculous puke shot for the next month straight.
Agree about the foul trouble, brewcity, and will agree with anyone who says a couple of the calls were weak. The bottom line, though, is that our forwards as a group were unable to stop dribble penetration. Gardner can't be fouling 35 ft from the basket. If the guy you are guarding can only dribble one way, take that away from him. Play defense and rebound with your feet and anticipation. The forwards didn't do it today.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 19, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
Or 4 of our frontcourt players spending the bulk of the second half with 4 fouls. There were a lot of problems with that game. What makes it worse is that we're going to be seeing Clarke's ridiculous puke shot for the next month straight.
Already up on Deadspin and The Big Lead. No such thing as bad publicity, right?
Im so pissed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 19, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
Or 4 of our frontcourt players spending the bulk of the second half with 4 fouls.
That's my biggest concern walking away from this game. Overall, I thought the refs called a very good game, in what was a physical contest. Other than Davante's 3rd foul, which was 35 feet from the hoop, those fouls were earned. No nickel-dimers.
It seems to me that through the first three games, MU is fouling at a much higher rate than past Buzz squads.
So irritated. Positives are Vander and that we have a chance to get the sour taste out of our mouths tomorrow.
Quote from: Bocephys on November 19, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
Already up on Deadspin and The Big Lead. No such thing as bad publicity, right?
There isn't. It was an incredible shot, and no one thinks less of Marquette for it.
I'm more disappointed that we played poorly the last game and didn't play that well today. Defensively down the stretch was not good. Need to get it going.
Only 7 assists today, really struggled from 3 pt land and ft stripe. 14 turnovers but we only turned them over 7 times.
There's always tomorrow...at least I'm spared the UNC destruction that was going to loom from the UNC grads here at work.
Quote from: RJax55 on November 19, 2012, 05:07:23 PM
We play Wednesday no matter what happens. However, lose to Miss. State and we play Chaminade. Not good.
Or Texas...
And Jae got a DNP tonight w/Mavs looks like he's back in Carlisle's doghouse....need some MU mojo 2morrow
Quote from: RJax55 on November 19, 2012, 05:07:23 PM
We play Wednesday no matter what happens. However, lose to Miss. State and we play Chaminade. Not good.
Not so fast about playing Chaminade. If they pull off the upset Chaminade goes to be winner's bracket and we will not see them.
Did we catch a break in the long run with Texas losing in terms rpi/sos?
would it be better to beat Butler, lose to unc and beat chaminade or lose to Butler, beat miss st and beat Texas/USC/Illinois? (I know I'm getting ahead of myself with the wins)
Impressive win by Georgetown, hope they can knock off iu. Tough loss for UCLA.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 19, 2012, 11:13:04 PM
Did we catch a break in the long run with Texas losing in terms rpi/sos?
would it be better to beat Butler, lose to unc and beat chaminade or lose to Butler, beat miss st and beat Texas/USC/Illinois? (I know I'm getting ahead of myself with the wins)
Impressive win by Georgetown, hope they can knock off iu. Tough loss for UCLA.
I think it would be close. Obviously, beating butler would be better than beating Mississippi State but beating two BCS teams in this tournament wouldn't be a bad consolation either. I actually think it would be better than playing Chaminade in the third place game. Kind of a no win situation for MU in that scenario. So, MU still has a chance to accomplish what I expected them to in this tournament by winning 2 games.
Like I said in the game thread, MU has too much to work on before facing a team the likes of UNC. And playing Chaminade for 3rd wouldn't be helpful at all for RPI... it simply wouldn't count. In that regard, I'd much rather go home with two wins against power conferences and a consolation championship than 1-1 against D-I opponents.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 19, 2012, 11:13:04 PM
Did we catch a break in the long run with Texas losing in terms rpi/sos?
would it be better to beat Butler, lose to unc and beat chaminade or lose to Butler, beat miss st and beat Texas/USC/Illinois? (I know I'm getting ahead of myself with the wins)
There is one definite positive to this. If we beat MSU (shouldn't be an if, they're god-awful) and Texas, it will be a positive RPI week. Texas will NOT be affected negatively by losing to Chaminade. As a D2 team, Chaminade has ZERO impact on RPI, win or lose. So the real positive is that we will not play a non-RPI affecting game.
We just need to hope Butler will be a top-50 team, which will significantly take the sting out of a neutral-court loss, that MSU can keep themselves above 200 (might be a tall task), and we get a Texas team in the final that despite a bad loss in the eyes of the voters, will still likely be a RPI-powerhouse in the long run.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 20, 2012, 05:23:03 AM
There is one definite positive to this. If we beat MSU (shouldn't be an if, they're god-awful) and Texas, it will be a positive RPI week. Texas will NOT be affected negatively by losing to Chaminade. As a D2 team, Chaminade has ZERO impact on RPI, win or lose. So the real positive is that we will not play a non-RPI affecting game.
We just need to hope Butler will be a top-50 team, which will significantly take the sting out of a neutral-court loss, that MSU can keep themselves above 200 (might be a tall task), and we get a Texas team in the final that despite a bad loss in the eyes of the voters, will still likely be a RPI-powerhouse in the long run.
Just curious. How did they pick the backets for the Maui Invitational? You would think UNC should have played Chaminade, not Texas.
At season's end, Butler won't be a "bad loss" and like others have said, it may be a blessing in disguise. Potential wins over 2 "BCS schools" would end up as a better mark than beating Butler, getting thumped by UNC and then beating Chaminade.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 20, 2012, 05:23:03 AM
There is one definite positive to this. If we beat MSU (shouldn't be an if, they're god-awful) and Texas, it will be a positive RPI week. Texas will NOT be affected negatively by losing to Chaminade. As a D2 team, Chaminade has ZERO impact on RPI, win or lose. So the real positive is that we will not play a non-RPI affecting game.
We just need to hope Butler will be a top-50 team, which will significantly take the sting out of a neutral-court loss, that MSU can keep themselves above 200 (might be a tall task), and we get a Texas team in the final that despite a bad loss in the eyes of the voters, will still likely be a RPI-powerhouse in the long run.
Exactly. This took the sting away from the loss for me. Beating Miss State (hopefully) and then likely getting Texas is a much better path than likely getting crushed by UNC and then playing Chamindae, which is a dangerous game under those circumstances with no upside for us.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 20, 2012, 11:20:43 AM
Just curious. How did they pick the backets for the Maui Invitational? You would think UNC should have played Chaminade, not Texas.
They ranked the schools 1 through 8, which shows you how bad Mississippi St is.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 20, 2012, 11:30:46 AM
At season's end, Butler won't be a "bad loss" and like others have said, it may be a blessing in disguise. Potential wins over 2 "BCS schools" would end up as a better mark than beating Butler, getting thumped by UNC and then beating Chaminade.
I appreciate the optimism, but I don't think this is a very good Butler team. Mid-pack in the A10 at best.
Butler should be on the border of 100 RPI, which is usually the definition of a "bad" loss.
Also, I'm not sure how valuable a win over Miss St will be, if at all. It will be nice to slap the "BCS" tag on it, but I don't think that will fool anyone on the committee.
This will be a quality win for Butler (which helps them) and I suspect Stevens will get enough out of this team that they will get an at large bid out of A-10.
Quote from: LAZER on November 20, 2012, 12:04:08 PM
Butler should be on the border of 100 RPI, which is usually the definition of a "bad" loss.
Personal opinion, but I highly doubt it. The Atlantic 10 typically has 5-6 teams in the top-75 or so of the RPI, and I think Butler will be one of those. With the strength of that league, they have a very good chance to be a top-50 team. Highly unlikely they will be a bad loss. So they lost big at Xavier...it was a true road game early in the season. Once they settle in they'll be fighting for an at-large.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 20, 2012, 12:17:50 PM
Personal opinion, but I highly doubt it. The Atlantic 10 typically has 5-6 teams in the top-75 or so of the RPI, and I think Butler will be one of those. With the strength of that league, they have a very good chance to be a top-50 team. Highly unlikely they will be a bad loss. So they lost big at Xavier...it was a true road game early in the season. Once they settle in they'll be fighting for an at-large.
Just curious...Why were they playing an in conference opponent so early in the year??
It wasn't a conference game. It was a left over from a previous contract when Butler was still in the Horizon.
That makes sense. Pretty crazy how that worked out.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on November 20, 2012, 12:26:32 PM
Just curious...Why were they playing an in conference opponent so early in the year??
It was not a conference game. Butler was susposed to play in the Horizon this year, so the Xavier game was scheduled as a non-conference game. When they decided to move a year early, it remained on the schedule as a non-conference game.