I think he is overrated. Yea I said it. Get on me..
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1424065
That Rabb kid is amazing. He is from Oakland, CA. Same place as Juan Anderson of course..
Karl Towns is incredible too. He played for Calipari over the summer on the Dominican Republican national team, and a lot of people think it's almost a certainty that he'll be at Kentucky in a few years.
I'd guess that's the only reason he agreed to coach the DR national team.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on October 19, 2012, 03:31:14 AM
Karl Towns is incredible too. He played for Calipari over the summer on the Dominican Republican national team, and a lot of people think it's almost a certainty that he'll be at Kentucky in a few years.
Maybe Buzz will be his coach--just ask Toolbox--he seems to know.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on October 18, 2012, 11:18:07 PM
I think he is overrated. Yea I said it. Get on me..
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1424065
I have to pass on getting on you since I haven't even seen him play....
So why do you think he's overrated?
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 19, 2012, 06:56:49 PM
I have to pass on getting on you since I haven't even seen him play....
So why do you think he's overrated?
Just like the synopsis said on him. He is slow and not very athletic. I seen him play and he didn't pass the "eye" test for me.
On the other hand, Kevon Looney deserves every bit of the hype he is getting.
Well, he is certainly not under rated. I predict he drops to about 20-25 by the time its all said done. Still an elite prospect who will be able to pick any school in the country.
wouldnt be the first time a recruit is over rated early on. It is amazing to me how people get all lubed up over 15 and 16 year old kids
Quote from: Dreadman24 on October 19, 2012, 07:52:22 PM
Just like the synopsis said on him. He is slow and not very athletic. I seen him play and he didn't pass the "eye" test for me.
On the other hand, Kevon Looney deserves every bit of the hype he is getting.
Its fine to think that Stone is currently overrated as that is almost certainly the case (being ranked in the top five means there isn't a lot of room to move up and a whole lot of room to fall). But your critique doesn't really make any sense. You don't recruit centers because they are fast and super athletic. By that standard, Jared Sullinger, DeMarcus Cousins, Luke Harangody, Cole Aldrich, Marcus Morris, and Kevin Love (all NCAA All-Americans) would all fail. You don't need to be a speed demon to patrol the paint on defense and you certainly don't need athleticism to be an effective low post scorer (see Gardner, Devonte). If Stone didn't pass the "eye test" for you as a high school freshman, its probably because you were looking for the wrong qualities. He has great size and should be able to develop into an NBA frame. He has an impressive variety of low post moves for a kid of his age, an incredibly soft touch around the rim, and blocks shots and rebounds at high rates.
Maybe Stone won't end up as a top 5 recruit nationally, but he's certainly going to be top 25, and he would definitely be the biggest catch that Marquette has pulled in since Al's era.
I will never understand slagging kids who might come to MU.
If Diamond has chemistry with Duane, open the door for him.
He'll earn the system and Buzz will coach him accordingly.
Not every big man will have the soccer-taught footwork of (H)Akeem.
I've heard from not close sources that Stone would like to stay in-state or midwest. This source did know Tokoto to UNC well before it was obvious though.
His freshman year is 2015-2016 and Bo will be 69 years old. I'm guessing that Ryan's going to be in his twilight years at that point, yeah?
How would a recruit that young take Wisconsin seriously then?
Quote from: PTM on October 21, 2012, 12:07:39 PM
I've heard from not close sources that Stone would like to stay in-state or midwest. This source did know Tokoto to UNC well before it was obvious though.
His freshman year is 2015-2016 and Bo will be 69 years old. I'm guessing that Ryan's going to be in his twilight years at that point, yeah?
How would a recruit that young take Wisconsin seriously then?
For recruits like stone, they wouldn't be selling him on Bo's future, they'd be selling him on the future of Greg Gard. The expectation is that Gard, who has been with Bo for 20 years, will succeed him at UW. I believe Gard is 47 right now, he will probably be at Wisconsin for 15-20 years after Bo leaves, easily longer than any of these kids will be there.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 21, 2012, 12:16:16 PM
For recruits like stone, they wouldn't be selling him on Bo's future, they'd be selling him on the future of Greg Gard. The expectation is that Gard, who has been with Bo for 20 years, will succeed him at UW. I believe Gard is 47 right now, he will probably be at Wisconsin for 15-20 years after Bo leaves, easily longer than any of these kids will be there.
Thank you. This is exactly what I was looking for.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 21, 2012, 12:16:16 PM
For recruits like stone, they wouldn't be selling him on Bo's future, they'd be selling him on the future of Greg Gard. The expectation is that Gard, who has been with Bo for 20 years, will succeed him at UW. I believe Gard is 47 right now, he will probably be at Wisconsin for 15-20 years after Bo leaves, easily longer than any of these kids will be there.
Greg Gard didn't even get the UWGB job. It would be a stretch that a state B1G school like UW would hand over the keys to an assistant without head coaching experience (heck, Buzz even had a year under his belt). Smart or Bennett to come back home? Jeter? These may be controversial, but I would much rather Gard be the one from MU's perspective.
On Stone, the kid is 15 years old growing into his body. He dominated in AAU enough to move up the rankings this summer. He is the real deal, and don't underestimate the number of top recruits who will follow a top rated big man. If Buzz gets an early verbal, look out to what will follow.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 21, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
Greg Gard didn't even get the UWGB job. It would be a stretch that a state B1G school like UW would hand over the keys to an assistant without head coaching experience (heck, Buzz even had a year under his belt). Smart or Bennett to come back home? Jeter? These may be controversial, but I would much rather Gard be the one from MU's perspective.
On Stone, the kid is 15 years old growing into his body. He dominated in AAU enough to move up the rankings this summer. He is the real deal, and don't underestimate the number of top recruits who will follow a top rated big man. If Buzz gets an early verbal, look out to what will follow.
No way that Smart comes to UW, Bennett is more likely, Jeter probably slightly less likely than Bennet.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 21, 2012, 12:28:38 PMGreg Gard didn't even get the UWGB job. It would be a stretch that a state B1G school like UW would hand over the keys to an assistant without head coaching experience (heck, Buzz even had a year under his belt). Smart or Bennett to come back home? Jeter? These may be controversial, but I would much rather Gard be the one from MU's perspective.
But that's not the point. The question isn't who will succeed Bo, the question is how would a recruit Stone's age take Wisconsin seriously if they think Bo might retire. Gard is a solid recruiter and likely will, along with Bo, be one of the two main guys recruiting Stone to Madison. Whether he is the planned successor or not by UW officials, many of the fans think Gard can take the job and it's easier to sell it to recruits that the guy recruiting you will take over if the old man leaves. I imagine Coach K and Jim Boeheim have used similar arguments regarding their top assistants when negative recruiters put the age question into the heads of recruits. Whether or not Chris Collins or Mike Hopkins get those jobs remain to be seen, but it would probably reassure recruits a bit if they think things will stay status quo.
Quote from: forgetful on October 21, 2012, 12:36:04 PMNo way that Smart comes to UW, Bennett is more likely, Jeter probably slightly less likely than Bennet.
From what I've heard, there's probably a better chance of Phil Jackson coming to Madison than Tony Bennett. I don't think the Bennett family is on the best of terms with the powers-that-be in Madison anymore.
Brew...uncertainty doesn't sell recruits. There are vocal factions of UW supporters who will want Bennett, Smart, Jeter, Gard. That will scare recruits away. It would be easy to use that against UW. Similar to how others use the Buzz situation against him. That said, why would a Top 2, one and done recruit commit to an unproven fictional head coach in waiting who hasn't been named? On the other hand, getting Stone to commit early to Buzz makes a strong statement about Buzz staying and would allow him to lock in a huge class early.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 21, 2012, 01:24:57 PM
Brew...uncertainty doesn't sell recruits. There are vocal factions of UW supporters who will want Bennett, Smart, Jeter, Gard. That will scare recruits away. It would be easy to use that against UW. Similar to how others use the Buzz situation against him. That said, why would a Top 2, one and done recruit commit to an unproven fictional head coach in waiting who hasn't been named? On the other hand, getting Stone to commit early to Buzz makes a strong statement about Buzz staying and would allow him to lock in a huge class early.
No. Generally, the coach sells recruits. For Buzz to get Stone would require him proving that he will be here and provide continuity. For Bo to get Stone would require him proving that either he or the lead recruiter would be there and provide continuity.
Of course, that's all irrelevant if Stone is a top-2, one-and-done recruit. What does it matter if Bo is 39 or 69? If Stone's only going to be there one year anyway, he just needs to be convinced the coach will be there in 2015-16. Past that, he'll be in the NBA.
did Bielema have any head coaching experience?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 21, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
Greg Gard didn't even get the UWGB job. It would be a stretch that a state B1G school like UW would hand over the keys to an assistant without head coaching experience (heck, Buzz even had a year under his belt). Smart or Bennett to come back home? Jeter? These may be controversial, but I would much rather Gard be the one from MU's perspective.
On Stone, the kid is 15 years old growing into his body. He dominated in AAU enough to move up the rankings this summer. He is the real deal, and don't underestimate the number of top recruits who will follow a top rated big man. If Buzz gets an early verbal, look out to what will follow.
Quote from: Red Stripe on October 23, 2012, 02:58:11 PM
did Bielema have any head coaching experience?
No. Neither did Barry Alvarez.
Don't even debate this. Greg Gard is a mortal lock to be the next coach at UW-Madison, and there will be no serious controversy over this hire. The only other person who might be considered is Jeter.
Tony Bennett will never succeed Bo. Now he might succeed Gard should he fail....but there has been a HUGE fallout between UW and the Bennett family.
There is a strain of intelligent Badger fan who looks at all the facilities and other things the University has to offer and thinks the Buckaroo can get a top, young rising coach (along the lines of Brad Stevens, Tony Benford or Shaka Smart) or a proven veteran looking for a new challenge like Fran Fraschilla or even a guy like Jay Bilas. I think that is probably correct. Bucky has a lot to offer, as long as there is big time pay. Promoting Gard, or even hiring Jeter, is far short of who Bucky could get as Bo's successor. Just so I am clear, I say hire Greg Gard.
They just aren't going to hire a guy outside of the "system," and go through all the angst of dealing with Bo and his boobs being difficult behind his back. Furthermore, good coaches outside the system aren't going to be thrilled to be dumped into that situation.
Hire the assistant, and if it works...great! If not then you hire the good coach from outside the program and no one will complain.
And if Barry is still AD when that happens, that is *exactly* what he will do.
Quote from: Gato78 on October 23, 2012, 03:27:23 PM
There is a strain of intelligent Badger fan who looks at all the facilities and other things the University has to offer and thinks the Buckaroo can get a top, young rising coach (along the lines of Brad Stevens, Tony Benford or Shaka Smart) or a proven veteran looking for a new challenge like Fran Fraschilla or even a guy like Jay Bilas. I think that is probably correct. Bucky has a lot to offer, as long as there is big time pay. Promoting Gard, or even hiring Jeter, is far short of who Bucky could get as Bo's successor. Just so I am clear, I say hire Greg Gard.
How does Tony Benford get lumped in with Brad Stevens and Shaka Smart? He's not in their ballpark.
All of this "next UW coach" debate is really irrelevant to the discussion, however. My only point in mentioning Gard was to address the question of how Bo sells a future with certainty to a recruit like Stone, and the simple answer is saying you'll be playing for me in 2015 and if I retire before you graduate, you'll be playing for the guy standing next to me. I don't care who Bucky's next coach is, I'm just saying that they try to sell Stone on continuity.
And either way, if Stone is indeed a one-and-done, Bo only has to be there for his first year, two years if there's a setback.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 23, 2012, 05:01:11 PM
And either way, if Stone is indeed a one-and-done, Bo only has to be there for his first year, two years if there's a setback.
Perhaps someone should mention Bo's fondness for redshirting big men, even of the Burger Boy variety. Or not playing the ones who don't redshirt. Can't imagine any kid who sees himself as a one-and-done, or even two-year player, would take much a liking to that.
I think Tony Benford will have a very good year and will be a hot commodity this year, though I do not expect him to move for another year or two. Tony Mitchell will raise Benford's profile, especially if they get into NCAA and win a 1st round game.
Quote from: Bocephys on October 23, 2012, 04:12:27 PM
How does Tony Benford get lumped in with Brad Stevens and Shaka Smart? He's not in their ballpark.