I came across this on accident about future Big East basketball secheduleing. An increase in league games?
http://www.vuhoops.com/big-east/2012/10/10/3482306/memphis-radio-station-support-rumored-big-east-schedule-expansion
Memphis radio station support rumored schedule expansion
By Brian Ewart on Oct 10, 1:06a
A Memphis radio station not only corroborated the earlier story, but added some further insight into the schedule expansion issue.
According to the radio report, Memphis coach Josh Pastner told people assembled at a Summer golf outing that the move to the Big East playing a 20 game conference schedule in basketball was a "done deal." The report claims that the move to a larger schedule is fueled by the ongoing television negotiations and that the ESPN officials communicating with the conference office have indicated that they would be willing to pay much more for a basketball slate with more league match-ups.
Teams would play around two-thirds of their games against opponents from the Big East, shortening their non-conference schedules to just 10 or 11 games, which may not leave many openings after the pre-season "exempt" tournaments are counted.
(h/t Adam Ladd)
Beyond the coolness of having pre-season tourneys, and the variety of playing OOC teams .. what's the benefit to playing OOC/cupcakes again?
Swapping 2-4-6 RPI 200+ games for 2-4-6 RPI < 150 games seems like a win for basketball consumers. Not so much for OOC dogs that make their budget on buy games, I suppose.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on October 10, 2012, 11:09:06 AM
Beyond the coolness of having pre-season tourneys, and the variety of playing OOC teams .. what's the benefit to playing OOC/cupcakes again?
Swapping 2-4-6 RPI 200+ games for 2-4-6 RPI < 150 games seems like a win for basketball consumers. Not so much for OOC dogs that make their budget on buy games, I suppose.
Or schools like Marquette that rely on the additional home games (even against cupcakes) to support its basketball/athletic budget.
If we can make enough from a bigger TV deal to offset the cupcake home game revenue, hopefully it would at least be revenue neutral. Excluding the money part, I think it would be great.
With the bloating of the conferences, one might think the members will request a longer season (more games) to the NCAA.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 10, 2012, 11:22:04 AM
With the bloating of the conferences, one might think the members will request a longer season (more games) to the NCAA.
Which just lends more support to paying college athletes in football and men's basketball. Some greedy athletic directors/presidents still haven't thought through where all these changes are leading...
10 Big East games at the BC. What's not to like!
Quote from: front row on October 10, 2012, 11:26:22 AM
10 Big East games at the BC. What's not to like!
That those games will be against Central Florida and SMU?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 10, 2012, 11:29:30 AM
That those games will be against Central Florida and SMU?
It could be versus Temple or Memphis. UCF has been solid for the past two years.
I would rather watch MU play UCF or SMU, then playing Alabama St. or NC Central.
Even if it is Central Florida or SMU....the RPI rating would be higher then a "buy" game and still amounts to a home game victory. I think it is a win to expand the Big East schedule.
Quote from: Litehouse on October 10, 2012, 11:21:33 AM
If we can make enough from a bigger TV deal to offset the cupcake home game revenue, hopefully it would at least be revenue neutral. Excluding the money part, I think it would be great.
Hit the nail on the head, that'll be the exact trade-off from a financial perspective. From a fan's view it's whether getting Houston and UConn on our schedule twice is replacing two RPI 300 teams, two high majors, or one of each on our OOC schedule.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 10, 2012, 11:12:08 AM
Or schools like Marquette that rely on the additional home games (even against cupcakes) to support its basketball/athletic budget.
I said .. swap, not eliminate. MU would still play the same # of games at the BC. Even if you bumped up on the max game count (is there one?) and ended up with 1-2 fewer homers, well, you saved the $40-75k cost (x2) in buying your opponent, since you swapped it with a league opponent you didn't have to pay, yet still get the gate.
It's obvious MU has traded in some of those buy games for tourneys over the past few seasons, as our cupcake/buy game count has gone down .. 2005, we had 11. 2012, we have 6. That's a crapload fewer games to make revenue via buy game/cupcakes.
MU also has been swapping exhibition games for closed practices with other schools, does that total of 11 games in 2005 include exhibition games?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on October 10, 2012, 01:33:48 PM
I said .. swap, not eliminate. MU would still play the same # of games at the BC. Even if you bumped up on the max game count (is there one?) and ended up with 1-2 fewer homers, well, you saved the $40-75k cost (x2) in buying your opponent, since you swapped it with a league opponent you didn't have to pay, yet still get the gate.
It's obvious MU has traded in some of those buy games for tourneys over the past few seasons, as our cupcake/buy game count has gone down .. 2005, we had 11. 2012, we have 6. That's a crapload fewer games to make revenue via buy game/cupcakes.
You guys are so naive. There will be no loss of revenue, because of loss of buy in game. Look at what happen when MU dropped exhibition games. They raised ticket prices, so we paid the same as before when he had exhibition games. The increase to 20 game schedule costs MU one buy game a year. We will go to one less game, but the total season ticket price will not decrease. I do not think MU gets part of the concessions, so they do not lose out there either.
Also, adding some extra big east games probably won't eliminate cup cake games. It would more likely eliminate a home-and-home with a higher level team. We would theoretically swap games we've had recently with teams like LSU, NC State, Wake Forest and Arizona for extra conference games instead.
Quote from: bilsu on October 10, 2012, 01:57:56 PM
You guys are so naive. There will be no loss of revenue, because of loss of buy in game. Look at what happen when MU dropped exhibition games. They raised ticket prices, so we paid the same as before when he had exhibition games. The increase to 20 game schedule costs MU one buy game a year. We will go to one less game, but the total season ticket price will not decrease. I do not think MU gets part of the concessions, so they do not lose out there either.
Yes, the season-ticket has been the same in the past three years. That's because single game tickets now have three different price ranges.
http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/marq/graphics/auto/MBB-SG-Prices-1213.jpg
Quote from: front row on October 10, 2012, 11:39:11 AM
It could be versus Temple or Memphis. UCF has been solid for the past two years.
I would rather watch MU play UCF or SMU, then playing Alabama St. or NC Central.
i agree, except that I believe Memphis could be right up there with us in the Top 10 next year. I am worried about Temple.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on October 11, 2012, 12:36:51 AM
i agree, except that I believe Memphis could be right up there with us in the Top 10 next year. I am worried about Temple.
I'll believe that when I see it. Pastner has had plenty of talent and is clearly a great recruiter, but I have yet to be convinced that any of his teams are really that good. With the types of recruiting classes he's bringing in, you'd think they'd be destroying C-USA and making some tourney runs. That simply hasn't happened. They may have top ten talent, but I'm not at all convinced they'll be a top ten team.
At least the Big East is bringing in two schools that are locks to make the ncaa tourney in Temple & Memphis.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 11, 2012, 06:37:38 AM
I'll believe that when I see it. Pastner has had plenty of talent and is clearly a great recruiter, but I have yet to be convinced that any of his teams are really that good. With the types of recruiting classes he's bringing in, you'd think they'd be destroying C-USA and making some tourney runs. That simply hasn't happened. They may have top ten talent, but I'm not at all convinced they'll be a top ten team.
But now Pastner has Aki to provide with Marquette's secrets of player development. (What color do we use for half tongue in cheek?)