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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: kryza on September 21, 2012, 04:33:02 PM
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"Early morning workout today at @proterf.. Repping #IU basketball and @tomcrean...#focused"
This bothers me way more than I think it should... I get reppin his coach Tom Crean, but IU basketball?? WTF!?
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Maybe he's repping IU football. Or the IU tanning club. Or maybe he just read about the Kinsey Institute and has a new interest in IU.
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You know what this means:
Hoosiers are going Li Ning!
or
DWade is pushing his book to the state of Indiana!
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Is that a Sweet 16 shirt?
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What shorts is he wearing?
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Is that a Sweet 16 shirt?
Like these???
http://fox6now.com/2012/03/19/marquettewisconsin-sweet-16-t-shirts-available/
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What shorts is he wearing?
It's a skirt.
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Turncoat
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Those must be the t-shirts they printed for finishing the year ranked #16, with a matching banner to be unveiled at midnight madness.
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It bothers me as well. Your not the only one
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It doesn't bother me. Whether we like it or not, Crean is a father-figure and a huge part of D-Wade's life. Wade still does a lot for Marquette, so he definitely gets a lot of leeway with me.
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It doesn't bother me. Whether we like it or not, Crean is a father-figure and a huge part of D-Wade's life. Wade still does a lot for Marquette, so he definitely gets a lot of leeway with me.
It's not Wade I'm bothered by.
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It's not Wade I'm bothered by.
Eloquent, my brother, simply eloquent.
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"Early morning workout today at @proterf.. Repping #IU basketball and @tomcrean...#focused"
This bothers me way more than I think it should... I get reppin his coach Tom Crean, but IU basketball?? WTF!?
Did you also notice his tweet the day before about how he was "reppin' MU" on the plane with his blanket? Or because that couldn't be whined about it was ignored?
unnatural carnal knowledgeing Christ this carnival act never ends.
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Being a big NBA fan (Bulls), I have lost a lot pf respect for Wade. He can rep who he wants, I don't pay him much attention anymore.
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Being a big NBA fan (Bulls), I have lost a lot pf respect for Wade. He can rep who he wants, I don't pay him much attention anymore.
Yeah, but recruits do, which is why Crean tries to recast him as an IU alum.
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All representatives (prez, AD,etc.) of the basketball glory days when Wade was here are gone. He's lost and minor league Pilarz and Larry aren't reaching out.
I love you Dwyane! Never forget.
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All representatives (prez, AD,etc.) of the basketball glory days when Wade was here are gone. He's lost and minor league Pilarz and Larry aren't reaching out.
I love you Dwyane! Never forget.
I didn't realize DWade and Steve Cottingham were tight.
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Father Wild baby!
Before the mess started.
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Father Wild baby!
Before the mess started.
You do realize that Father Wild announced his retirement well before any of the off-the-court basketball related incidents went down.
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You do realize that Father Wild announced his retirement well before any of the off-the-court basketball related incidents went down.
Of course I do.
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Yeah, but recruits do, which is why Crean tries to recast him as an IU alum.
Good point...
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All right, all right, what's all this "reppin" stuff anyway? What's "reppin?" I know Wade didn't graduate or even major in English and it's probably the "language" of kids today, but I'm not today so please explain....someone??
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All right, all right, what's all this "reppin" stuff anyway? What's "reppin?" I know Wade didn't graduate or even major in English and it's probably the "language" of kids today, but I'm not today so please explain....someone??
reppin' = representing
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Being a big NBA fan (Bulls), I have lost a lot pf respect for Wade. He can rep who he wants, I don't pay him much attention anymore.
Curious why you lost respect for him. Is it the fact that he plays on a rival team? Is it the fact that he is on a team that won a title and is is the best in the east?
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Curious why you lost respect for him. Is it the fact that he plays on a rival team? Is it the fact that he is on a team that won a title and is is the best in the east?
Wade pretended to be interested in coming to the Bulls as a free agent and it was clearly for show. He played the Bulls for fools and wonders why he's not treated as a local boy made good when he comes to Chicago.
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I LOVE D Wade and what he did for MU, but can you even IMAGINE how Kansas fans would react if Kirk Heinrich was tweetin' about "reppin' UNC basketball@Roy Williams"?
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I LOVE D Wade and what he did for MU, but can you even IMAGINE how Kansas fans would react if Kirk Heinrich was tweetin' about "reppin' UNC basketball@Roy Williams"?
Excellent comparison! And would coach Williams even want him to? Doubtful, in my mind.
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I LOVE D Wade and what he did for MU, but can you even IMAGINE how Kansas fans would react if Kirk Heinrich was tweetin' about "reppin' UNC basketball@Roy Williams"?
+1000
Except Wade is a much bigger star than Hinrich. I think this would be more on par with Deron Williams showing up in Kansas gear to support Bill Self (Illinois fans would go ballistic) or Derrick Rose tweeting his workouts in Kentucky gear to support John Calipari.
Honestly, it's just kind of disturbing, and something I can't recall another player ever doing. If someone else can remember ex-Pitt guys wearing UCLA gear to support Howland, or old Cincinnati players donning West Virginia clothes to support Huggins, or former Kentucky players proudly wearing Louisville gear to support Pitino, please point these out. But at this point, it's just sad, disturbing, and honestly, offensive.
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Wade pretended to be interested in coming to the Bulls as a free agent and it was clearly for show. He played the Bulls for fools and wonders why he's not treated as a local boy made good when he comes to Chicago.
Haha, any MU Bulls fan who doesn't like Wade because of this is a butthurt baby. These guys are pros for chrissakes. And who says he was playing the Bulls? What would be the point of that? It's not like he needed to drive up his interest on the FA market to get more money. Couldn't he have been interested but ultimately thought a return to Miami was a better fit?
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But at this point, it's just sad, disturbing, and honestly, offensive.
No.
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No.
If it were common practice, I'd agree with you. Name one other NBA star that is going out and repeatedly wearing his new coach's gear to promote that program and basically allow yourself to be rebranded as another school's player.
And when you show up in promo photos in another school's gear and declare on Twitter you are "reppin' IU", then being rebranded as an IU player is exactly what Wade is doing.
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+1000
Except Wade is a much bigger star than Hinrich. I think this would be more on par with Deron Williams showing up in Kansas gear to support Bill Self (Illinois fans would go ballistic) or Derrick Rose tweeting his workouts in Kentucky gear to support John Calipari.
Honestly, it's just kind of disturbing, and something I can't recall another player ever doing. If someone else can remember ex-Pitt guys wearing UCLA gear to support Howland, or old Cincinnati players donning West Virginia clothes to support Huggins, or former Kentucky players proudly wearing Louisville gear to support Pitino, please point these out. But at this point, it's just sad, disturbing, and honestly, offensive.
Offensive? Really?
Good God, people. Whatever your feelings are about Tom Crean may be, it's obvious that to Dwyane Wade he's a friend, mentor and significant part of his life/success. You're really disturbed that he would say something nice about such a person? You get to be offended by who Dwyane Wade chooses to befriend and how he expresses those friendships?
Sheesh, it's not as if he's entirely bailed on Marquette. Pretty sure that was him at March Madness a couple years back. Pretty sure that was him who recently tweeted a photo of himself in MU swag. Pretty sure that was him who brought LeBron to a game at the BC a couple years ago. Pretty sure he's always made Buzz a part of his camp.
Derrick Rose remains tight with John Calipari. Do you think Memphis fans get all pissy about that?
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I'm fine with him still being friends and admiring Crean. Don't mind him saying nice things about him. Glad he still wears MU stuff sometimes. But wearing any other school's gear just rubs me the wrong way. It would if it was Kentucky, or Louisville, or Wisconsin, or UCLA, or Baylor, or Duke. I don't see any other player doing that, and don't get why Wade deliberately presents himself as an IU player at times.
Name one other player that does this. That's all I ask. I can't think of any.
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Offensive? Really?
Good God, people. Whatever your feelings are about Tom Crean may be, it's obvious that to Dwyane Wade he's a friend, mentor and significant part of his life/success. You're really disturbed that he would say something nice about such a person? You get to be offended by who Dwyane Wade chooses to befriend and how he expresses those friendships?
Sheesh, it's not as if he's entirely bailed on Marquette. Pretty sure that was him at March Madness a couple years back. Pretty sure that was him who recently tweeted a photo of himself in MU swag. Pretty sure that was him who brought LeBron to a game at the BC a couple years ago. Pretty sure he's always made Buzz a part of his camp.
No one (or at least most of us) have a problem with Wade. We have a problem with Wade's friend, mentor and significant part of his life/success has decided to cash in on that relationship to benefit his own ambition without any evident concern for his mentee or loyalty to the university that paid him very well for nine years and made it possible for him to be in his current position. I'm all for dropping the constant Crean attacks, not because I think that they are unjustified, but because I agree that they are well past being played out, but this is a new incident.
Derrick Rose remains tight with John Calipari. Do you think Memphis fans get all pissy about that?
No one objects with Wade remaining tight with Crean. If Rose decided to take some time to travel to Kentucky to rehab his knee in a Kentucky t-shirt and tweet a picture of it while saying he's reppin' UK, I guess we would see a strong reaction from Memphis fans. It wouldn't happen though because even Calipari has more class than that.
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We have a problem with Wade's friend, mentor and significant part of his life/success has decided to cash in on that relationship to benefit his own ambition without any evident concern for his mentee or loyalty to the university that paid him very well for nine years and made it possible for him to be in his current position.
Exactly right. My problem is with Wade becoming a recruiting tool for Indiana. If Crean wants to talk up his relationship with Wade, or if Wade wants to say positive things about Crean, I am 100% fine with that. No issue whatsoever. If Crean wants to reference Wade as a recruiting tool, I'm also fine with that. But reshaping Wade into an Indiana icon, that I have an issue with.
In the past 20 years, Indiana hasn't had a single player on par with Wade in terms of NBA success. Honestly, in the past 50 years, they've probably only produced one guy you can mention in the same breath as Wade, and that's Isaiah Thomas. So when Wade is paraded as though he played for IU and feels the need to be "reppin'" them, yes, I take issue.
THIS IS NOT A COMMON PRACTICE. Name one other player that wears another school's gear to support his former coach and I can see an argument for this being "okay". But I don't think that player exists. There's a big difference between being close with an old friend and misrepresenting your past.
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If it were common practice, I'd agree with you. Name one other NBA star that is going out and repeatedly wearing his new coach's gear to promote that program and basically allow yourself to be rebranded as another school's player.
It doesn't matter if another player does it.
It just isn't a big deal.
TC appears to be a close friend. He does nice things for him. Not a big deal.
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If Rose decided to take some time to travel to Kentucky to rehab his knee in a Kentucky t-shirt and tweet a picture of it while saying he's reppin' UK, I guess we would see a strong reaction from Memphis fans. It wouldn't happen though because even Calipari has more class than that.
Agreed. Crean is a bigger scumbag than Calipari because Dwyane wears an IU shirt.
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Exactly right. My problem is with Wade becoming a recruiting tool for Indiana. If Crean wants to talk up his relationship with Wade, or if Wade wants to say positive things about Crean, I am 100% fine with that. No issue whatsoever. If Crean wants to reference Wade as a recruiting tool, I'm also fine with that. But reshaping Wade into an Indiana icon, that I have an issue with.
Bobby Knight. Steve Alford. Kent Benson. Isiah Thomas. Scott May. Calbert Cheaney. Scott May. Dwyane Wade. Dwyane Wade?
No. Just don't see it.
And I really don't think Indiana basketball is lacking for iconic figures.
Do you really believe anyone believes, or will believe, that Dwyane Wade went to Indiana because he wore IU shorts or did some "reppin'"?
THIS IS NOT A COMMON PRACTICE. Name one other player that wears another school's gear to support his former coach and I can see an argument for this being "okay". But I don't think that player exists. There's a big difference between being close with an old friend and misrepresenting your past.
I have no idea if it is or isn't. I don't follow the wardrobe choices of all professional athletes. But if you really think Dwyane Wade is "misrepresenting his past" because of his choice of shorts .... well, I'm not sure what I can say about that, other than I doubt he (or most people) views his gym short selection as a gateway to who he is.
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It doesn't matter if another player does it.
It just isn't a big deal.
TC appears to be a close friend. He does nice things for him. Not a big deal.
Au contraire. The fact that other coaches don't use players from their former schools like this means it does matter. You saying otherwise doesn't change that.
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Bobby Knight. Steve Alford. Kent Benson. Isiah Thomas. Scott May. Calbert Cheaney. Scott May. Dwyane Wade. Dwyane Wade?
No. Just don't see it.
The average 17-year old is familiar with how many of those names? Bobby Knight, because he's an announcer? Alford, because he coaches New Mexico? Maybe they know Thomas, but certainly not as a Hoosier. None of those other names would resonate with a teenager. Wade is a bigger name right now than any of those others to a teenage prospect.
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Get over it guys. Dwyane was here within a month to kick off his new book signing, so he still has Marquette University as a prominent part of his life.
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The average 17-year old is familiar with how many of those names? Bobby Knight, because he's an announcer? Alford, because he coaches New Mexico? Maybe they know Thomas, but certainly not as a Hoosier. None of those other names would resonate with a teenager. Wade is a bigger name right now than any of those others to a teenage prospect.
The kind of kid whose college decision would be influenced by where Dwyane Wade played - and I'm skeptical there are any (Wade reportedly was Iman Shumpert's favorite player ... where did Iman end up?) - would know enough about Dwyane Wade to know where he played his college ball.
This is such a tempest in a teapot.
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Crean sucks sewer water
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Buzz Williams painted his garage in Colorado State colors, and had the nerve to tell everybody about it at a Marquette press conference. Couldn't he have kept that private? Shouldn't he have?
*gasp*
Alex Smith grew up in Seattle, presumably is a Mariners fan and wears a SF Giants cap at press conferences.
Aaron Rodgers didn't grow up a Brewers fan, and yet sometimes he "reps" his Brewers jersey/hat because he's friends with Braun.
This isn't a big deal, nerds. People have relationships with other organizations/teams because of who plays there. This isn't new.
Dwyane doesn't have to tweet about TC, but he chooses to. This isn't a TC "issue".
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Dwade is an MU alum. Can't change that
If he wears a shirt from IU, so be it. He is still an MU alum.
The old gym.
Bradley center.
Wisconsin Avenue.
Suburpia.
Ron Cusner.
He is an MU grad.
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Buzz Williams painted his garage in Colorado State colors, and had the nerve to tell everybody about it at a Marquette press conference. Couldn't he have kept that private? Shouldn't he have?
*gasp*
Alex Smith grew up in Seattle, presumably is a Mariners fan and wears a SF Giants cap at press conferences.
Aaron Rodgers didn't grow up a Brewers fan, and yet sometimes he "reps" his Brewers jersey/hat because he's friends with Braun.
This isn't a big deal, nerds. People have relationships with other organizations/teams because of who plays there. This isn't new.
Dwyane doesn't have to tweet about TC, but he chooses to. This isn't a TC "issue".
None of those are remotely relevant. If Wade wore a Dolphins shirt, or even Miami Hurricanes hat, it would be different as he lives there. He has zero connection to IU.
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None of those are remotely relevant. If Wade wore a Dolphins shirt, or even Miami Hurricanes hat, it would be different as he lives there. He has zero connection to IU.
What about Buzz and Colorado State?
Was anybody offended when he proudly told everybody about his garage?
No. We weren't.
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None of those are remotely relevant. If Wade wore a Dolphins shirt, or even Miami Hurricanes hat, it would be different as he lives there. He has zero connection to IU.
Sure he does...obviously. His college coach is now there.
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What about Buzz and Colorado State?
Was anybody offended when he proudly told everybody about his garage?
No. We weren't.
Buzz worked for Colorado State. He has a connection there. Last I checked, Wade never enrolled at, played for, or coached at IU. Totally different.
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Buzz worked for Colorado State. He has a connection there. Last I checked, Wade never enrolled at, played for, or coached at IU. Totally different.
Alright, we'll just agree to disagree.
For me, it doesn't matter.
For you, it's offensive.
Neither of us is going to change.
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It's absolutely offensive. He can praise the coach without necessarily praising the school.
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Neither of us is going to change.
Agreed :)
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+1000
Except Wade is a much bigger star than Hinrich. I think this would be more on par with Deron Williams showing up in Kansas gear to support Bill Self (Illinois fans would go ballistic) or Derrick Rose tweeting his workouts in Kentucky gear to support John Calipari.
Honestly, it's just kind of disturbing, and something I can't recall another player ever doing. If someone else can remember ex-Pitt guys wearing UCLA gear to support Howland, or old Cincinnati players donning West Virginia clothes to support Huggins, or former Kentucky players proudly wearing Louisville gear to support Pitino, please point these out. But at this point, it's just sad, disturbing, and honestly, offensive.
Whether we like it or not, Marquette isnt UNC or Kansas or UCLA. We have a school thats remarkably dependent on personal connections with the coaching staff, because thats what draws recruits. Its not the Marquette mystique, or that MU is sure to get guys into the pros. If you go to UCLA (esp now) or UNC (since Smith) your attendance isn't as independently based on the personal connections of the recruiting process as they are at a smaller-reputation school like MU. We love that when it works - hell some of the people bashing Wade for this are ironically the biggest Buzz fans for this very reason. But then we have to take the at times pride-damaging hits like this.
If Buzz were to leave in a year or two, I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see JFB casually repping the new school threads. Its a somewhat similar story - remarkably tough background, a story of perseverance, a coach who was personally willing to take a chance the bigger names wouldn't take, and what appears to be a lasting connection in appreciation of that chance. Like it or hate it, MU is the venue for those relationships, but not the reason. And who am I to say that JFB has to love Marquette more than Buzz? To say that Wade has to love MU more than Crean? I think theres little to no chance that binary even occurs to Wade in this situation, but even if it does, he has every right and reason to feel this way. Pretty lame IMO to not recognize the real life, interpersonal implications for what they are and get all pettily offended over the logo.
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Au contraire. The fact that other coaches don't use players from their former schools like this means it does matter. You saying otherwise doesn't change that.
Guns is slipping into his former position as Crean's No. 2 apologist.
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Guns is slipping into his former position as Crean's No. 2 apologist.
Fine.
I'll wear the hat.
I don't think Dwyane Wade's IU tweets are Tom Crean's fault.
I didn't think this was a controversial stance, but apparently it is. Look at me with my logic and strong convictions. Hooray.
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Whether we like it or not, Marquette isnt UNC or Kansas or UCLA. We have a school thats remarkably dependent on personal connections with the coaching staff, because thats what draws recruits. Its not the Marquette mystique, or that MU is sure to get guys into the pros. If you go to UCLA (esp now) or UNC (since Smith) your attendance isn't as independently based on the personal connections of the recruiting process as they are at a smaller-reputation school like MU. We love that when it works - hell some of the people bashing Wade for this are ironically the biggest Buzz fans for this very reason. But then we have to take the at times pride-damaging hits like this.
If Buzz were to leave in a year or two, I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see JFB casually repping the new school threads. Its a somewhat similar story - remarkably tough background, a story of perseverance, a coach who was personally willing to take a chance the bigger names wouldn't take, and what appears to be a lasting connection in appreciation of that chance. Like it or hate it, MU is the venue for those relationships, but not the reason. And who am I to say that JFB has to love Marquette more than Buzz? To say that Wade has to love MU more than Crean? I think theres little to no chance that binary even occurs to Wade in this situation, but even if it does, he has every right and reason to feel this way. Pretty lame IMO to not recognize the real life, interpersonal implications for what they are and get all pettily offended over the logo.
Nailed it.
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If Buzz were to leave in a year or two, I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see JFB casually repping the new school threads.
If Buzz is coaching at UT and Jimmy Frackin' Butler starts "casuallly" reppin' the Longhorns and tweetin' about it I think Buzz would have the class to tell him to knock it off. And I'm absolutely sure that Buzz wouldn't be behind it. Not so with TC - at an event honoring Wade at Richard's high school, TC used the occasion to say that Wade would have "crawled to Bloomington through broken glass for the chance to play at Indiana". True or not, it's hard to imagine anyone being more calculatingly classless. From marrying the Harbaugh family to courting relationships with the Tony Larussas and Mike McCarthys of the world, Crean has routinely and very publicly sought to benefit from his "relationships". Despite what some here say, that's not how "everbody does it" - it's unseemly, and even worse when contrasted with how Crean treats the people who are not "useful" to him.
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Even though DW3 is rumored to be switching shoe companies, pretty sure Nike wasn't too pleased he was reppin' IU wear since they are with Adidas.
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If Buzz is coaching at UT and Jimmy Frackin' Butler starts "casuallly" reppin' the Longhorns and tweetin' about it I think Buzz would have the class to tell him to knock it off. And I'm absolutely sure that Buzz wouldn't be behind it. Not so with TC - at an event honoring Wade at Richard's high school, TC used the occasion to say that Wade would have "crawled to Bloomington through broken glass for the chance to play at Indiana". True or not, it's hard to imagine anyone being more calculatingly classless. From marrying the Harbaugh family to courting relationships with the Tony Larussas and Mike McCarthys of the world, Crean has routinely and very publicly sought to benefit from his "relationships". Despite what some here say, that's not how "everbody does it" - it's unseemly, and even worse when contrasted with how Crean treats the people who are not "useful" to him.
See, I actually agree with you that TC is a PR hound. Sometimes its good (helped MU), sometimes it gets really old (all of the clapping and saluting at IU games).
However, you imply that he married his wife (a Harbaugh) for the image? Seems a little extreme, no?
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Whether we like it or not, Marquette isnt UNC or Kansas or UCLA. We have a school thats remarkably dependent on personal connections with the coaching staff, because thats what draws recruits. Its not the Marquette mystique, or that MU is sure to get guys into the pros. If you go to UCLA (esp now) or UNC (since Smith) your attendance isn't as independently based on the personal connections of the recruiting process as they are at a smaller-reputation school like MU. We love that when it works - hell some of the people bashing Wade for this are ironically the biggest Buzz fans for this very reason. But then we have to take the at times pride-damaging hits like this.
If Buzz were to leave in a year or two, I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see JFB casually repping the new school threads. Its a somewhat similar story - remarkably tough background, a story of perseverance, a coach who was personally willing to take a chance the bigger names wouldn't take, and what appears to be a lasting connection in appreciation of that chance. Like it or hate it, MU is the venue for those relationships, but not the reason. And who am I to say that JFB has to love Marquette more than Buzz? To say that Wade has to love MU more than Crean? I think theres little to no chance that binary even occurs to Wade in this situation, but even if it does, he has every right and reason to feel this way. Pretty lame IMO to not recognize the real life, interpersonal implications for what they are and get all pettily offended over the logo.
Burrow, I agree with much in your post. However, coaches such as Bill Self, John Calipari, Ben Howland, Thad Matta and Rick Barnes came from programs at or below MU's profiles on their way to top level programs and I don't recall them using their players from former schools like this.
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See, I actually agree with you that TC is a PR hound. Sometimes its good (helped MU), sometimes it gets really old (all of the clapping and saluting at IU games).
However, you imply that he married his wife (a Harbaugh) for the image? Seems a little extreme, no?
I don't think it's extreme. When you consider his character, I think it's a fact.
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I don't think it's extreme. When you consider his character, I think it's a fact.
That's cool.
I'm going to bow out now.
Fundamentally, I can't compete with that belief.
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See, I actually agree with you that TC is a PR hound. Sometimes its good (helped MU), sometimes it gets really old (all of the clapping and saluting at IU games).
However, you imply that he married his wife (a Harbaugh) for the image? Seems a little extreme, no?
From a very sick Al McGuire to Tony La Russa to Mike McCarthy to John Calipari (TC actually called slimy Cal his best friend in the coaching fraternity before the IU - UK scheduling kerfuffel), TC has doggedly courted successful coaches, always then "going public" with the news once he's worked his way into their circle. Given that history, do you really think it coincidental that he fell in love with a girl whose Dad was a successful coach? Given how methodical and driven TC is, I'd say that would be the extreme (and extremely unlikely) position.
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If Buzz is coaching at UT and Jimmy Frackin' Butler starts "casuallly" reppin' the Longhorns and tweetin' about it I think Buzz would have the class to tell him to knock it off. And I'm absolutely sure that Buzz wouldn't be behind it. Not so with TC - at an event honoring Wade at Richard's high school, TC used the occasion to say that Wade would have "crawled to Bloomington through broken glass for the chance to play at Indiana". True or not, it's hard to imagine anyone being more calculatingly classless. From marrying the Harbaugh family to courting relationships with the Tony Larussas and Mike McCarthys of the world, Crean has routinely and very publicly sought to benefit from his "relationships". Despite what some here say, that's not how "everbody does it" - it's unseemly, and even worse when contrasted with how Crean treats the people who are not "useful" to him.
And I'm absolutely certain Buzz would love it if one of his former players shows the type of love that Wade shows Crean, and I think he would accept it openly and graciously if offered
Its hard to imagine Buzz being so classless as telling his former pupil to "knock it off, I don't need your help, I can do this on my own".
And by the way, how is Crean's cultivating relationships any different that Buzz's well-documented letter-writing efforts to build relationships throughout his career? If you're going to rip on Crean for developing relationships, then you need to rip Buzz for doing the same thing.
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All successful coaches, by nature and necessity, are shameless self-promoters. Some maybe more so than others .... but then we're just arguing a matter of degrees, aren't we?
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All successful coaches, by nature and necessity, are shameless self-promoters. Some maybe more so than others .... but then we're just arguing a matter of degrees, aren't we?
Not true; no.
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And by the way, how is Crean's cultivating relationships any different that Buzz's well-documented letter-writing efforts to build relationships throughout his career? If you're going to rip on Crean for developing relationships, then you need to rip Buzz for doing the same thing.
If you think the relationships Buzz cultivates with that homeless dude or the people in and around Buzz's Bunch resemble Crean's pursuits of Calapari, LaRussa, etal, so be it. If you choose to be blind I can't make you see.
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Not true; no.
And the exceptions are?
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And I'm absolutely certain Buzz would love it if one of his former players shows the type of love that Wade shows Crean, and I think he would accept it openly and graciously if offered
Its hard to imagine Buzz being so classless as telling his former pupil to "knock it off, I don't need your help, I can do this on my own".
Buzz already has many former players showing him love. Some of them are guys recruited by Crean who played for Crean for three years. I'm sure they'll continue to "show Buzz love" if he moves on - I just don't think Buzz is the type (so far nobody can find anyone other than Crean who is the type) to use former players to rep their new schools.
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All successful coaches, by nature and necessity, are shameless self-promoters. Some maybe more so than others .... but then we're just arguing a matter of degrees, aren't we?
Self promoters? Sure, since when you're selling (promoting) the program you're selling yourself. Shameless? That's where we differ. I think some are, most aren't.
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If Buzz moved on I think guys he stuck with would help him at new gig. I do not fault coach or players for keeping relationship alive.
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Buzz already has many former players showing him love. Some of them are guys recruited by Crean who played for Crean for three years. I'm sure they'll continue to "show Buzz love" if he moves on - I just don't think Buzz is the type (so far nobody can find anyone other than Crean who is the type) to use former players to rep their new schools.
Check out the MU media guide. There is a long list of players who never played for MU being used to "rep" the coaching staff.
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From a very sick Al McGuire to Tony La Russa to Mike McCarthy to John Calipari (TC actually called slimy Cal his best friend in the coaching fraternity before the IU - UK scheduling kerfuffel), TC has doggedly courted successful coaches, always then "going public" with the news once he's worked his way into their circle. Given that history, do you really think it coincidental that he fell in love with a girl whose Dad was a successful coach? Given how methodical and driven TC is, I'd say that would be the extreme (and extremely unlikely) position.
That's fine. I'm not interested in a TC debate/discussion on his personal relationships and marriage.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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If Buzz moved on I think guys he stuck with would help him at new gig. I do not fault coach or players for keeping relationship alive.
If Buzz moved on, of course he and his former players would maintain their relationships/friendships. Buzz is all about relationships/friendships. But maintaining friendships is a far cry from blatantly leveraging those relationships for your new school's benefit. The fact that nobody can come up with an example of a coach using a player from a former school the way TC has Wade should make that obvious to everyone without his head in the sand.
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Think we are being a little over sensitive regarding Wade wearing some Indiana gear. He and TC have a great relationship - Wade recognizes TC helped him evolve into the player and man he's become, and sure TC realizes Wade has helped his career tremendously. There's a mutual respect and admiration that exists between the two, and I think we should respect that. Don't see anything wrong with a player supporting his former coach by wearing some of his coach's new team's gear.
Wade still is very active around MU and has involved Buzz in his camps, cultivated a relationship with Buzz, shown up for March Madness as has been pointed out. Wade's been a huge asset to MU, and for that, I say he can wear whatever he wants (other than Wisconsin Badger gear.)
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DWade, through Boys & Girls Club sponsors 4 or 5 scholarships at MU annually. Not sure if he pays for all of them but the pub makes it sound like that is the case. What more can you ask of him? How can anyone question his loyalty?
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DWade, through Boys & Girls Club sponsors 4 or 5 scholarships at MU annually. Not sure if he pays for all of them but the pub makes it sound like that is the case. What more can you ask of him? How can anyone question his loyalty?
I have not questioned Wade's loyalty. Don't think anyone else has either. As others have said, I don't see him as the problem here.
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I have not questioned Wade's loyalty. Don't think anyone else has either. As others have said, I don't see him as the problem here.
Does Crean pick out Dwyane's clothing and run his instagram?
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If you think the relationships Buzz cultivates with that homeless dude or the people in and around Buzz's Bunch resemble Crean's pursuits of Calapari, LaRussa, etal, so be it. If you choose to be blind I can't make you see.
Buzz Williams is well known for his 425 weekly handrwitten letters to other coaches, cultivating relationships across college basketball.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8011917/some-top-coaches-prove-play-high-level-coach-one-men-college-basketball
So is Buzz, as you put it, "calculatingly classless" for intentionally writing to so many coaches so early in his career, and using those relationships to get future jobs?
I have not questioned Wade's loyalty. Don't think anyone else has either. As others have said, I don't see him as the problem here.
The question is why you would leave Wade out of this?
Its as if you think Tom Crean has some unique mind-control power that he's unilaterally forceing Wade to put on IU gear and say complementary things about Crean.
In fact, why do you see a "problem" in the first place?
You're like the kid in the Sixth Sense who sees things nobody else can.
Crean develops a great relationship with a player? You see a problem
Develops relationships with other leaders across the sports field? You see a problem
Let's apply a common sense filter.
Coaching is an industry where people throw away their career by making fewer than 100 impermissible phone calls (out of 20,000 total calls), cover up for a murder, or break the rules and lie about giving a $7 t-shirt if they think it will give them a recruiting advantage.
Now you're saying that the only reason why no other coach in college basketball permits a player to "rep" for him is that somehow, universally, they voluntarily abide by an unwritten norm that says "I won't accept help from a former player or build relationships with MLB and NFL leaders becuase I don't want it to look like i'm using them"?
Who are you crappin?
The first fundamental truth is Crean can no more "use" Wade that Buzz can "use" Acie Law. Once a player leaves, the coach has no control over him
The second truth is that if any other coach would do exactly the same thing in an instant if they though it would give them an edge on recruiting a player.
Which means that maybe the reason why Wade stands alone in repping IU is that no other NBA player respects his college coach as much as Wade does Crean.
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Who are you crappin?
Gotta agree with the gist of this. While I don't like TC using Wade as though he's an Indiana player, I also don't like Wade portraying himself as an Indiana player. And again, I can't even imagine the outrage we'd see from other fanbases if Deron Williams showed up somewhere in Kansas gear, or Derrick Rose sporting Kentucky threads, or Antoine Walker working out in his sweet Louisville apparel.
We're way too apologetic, as though we deserve to have the best player in our history showing as much allegiance to another school that he has zero connection with (not to confuse IU and TC, they are not one and the same) as he does to us. I don't think there's another high-major school that would just smile and nod in lockstep.
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We're way too apologetic, as though we deserve to have the best player in our history showing as much allegiance to another school that he has zero connection with (not to confuse IU and TC, they are not one and the same) as he does to us. I don't think there's another high-major school that would just smile and nod in lockstep.
So, other than sporting Indiana gear on two occasions, could you cite some of the ways in which Dwyane Wade has shown "as much allegiance" to IU as he has MU.
Shown up at their Madness?
Taken part charity events?
Brought high-profile NBA teammates to IU games?
Visited with IU students on campus?
Choose the IU campus for one of his handful of book-signing events?
Participated in a jersey-retiring ceremony at IU?
Participated in the creation of a Jordan Fly Wade Indiana shoe?
Is there a Converse commercial out there featuring Dwyane and IU?
What's he done for IU other than wear a T-shirt and gym shorts?
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I overstate somewhat.
But no one else is doing this, and it smacks of inferiority complex that we all think it's cool.
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I overstate somewhat.
But no one else is doing this, and it smacks of inferiority complex that we all think it's cool.
Dude, you're taking it too far with the amateur psychologist diagnosis.
For the life of me, I've never understood why panties get bunched over crap like this. You'd think we have a program with absolutely no issues to it with the way this topic gets overplayed every second month.
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Dude, you're taking it too far with the amateur psychologist diagnosis.
For the life of me, I've never understood why panties get bunched over crap like this. You'd think we have a program with absolutely no issues to it with the way this topic gets overplayed every second month.
If it gets overplayed, the overplaying pales in comparison to the reaction to the overplaying.
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Dude, you're taking it too far with the amateur psychologist diagnosis.
Yeah...it's way too much for me to think we should have the same pride in our program that other schools do, and the same expectation that our graduates will demonstrate loyalty to our own school and not other schools, you know, like every other school. I can't imagine any other HM program that would be fine with this the way that so many of our fans seem to be.
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Which means that maybe the reason why Wade stands alone in repping IU is that no other NBA player respects his college coach as much as Wade does Crean.
Who are you crappin'?
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Who are you crappin'?
Makes more sense than your suggestion that the only recruitng rule that coaches universally adhere to is your "no rep" rule.
But go ahead, name another NBA all-star who appears to have a closer relationship with his college coach than Wade.
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Yeah...it's way too much for me to think we should have the same pride in our program that other schools do, and the same expectation that our graduates will demonstrate loyalty to our own school and not other schools, you know, like every other school. I can't imagine any other HM program that would be fine with this the way that so many of our fans seem to be.
What are you asking us to do? I have MU pride. I have a lot of it.
Does that mean I should write Dwyane a nasty tweet because he wore IU shorts? How do you want us to react? Rage?
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I overstate somewhat.
But no one else is doing this, and it smacks of inferiority complex that we all think it's cool.
Who's said "It's cool" or anything of the sort?
I think the more appropriate response is:
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Who's said "It's cool" or anything of the sort?
I think the more appropriate response is:
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Oh Emma, why you so hot?
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What are you asking us to do? I have MU pride. I have a lot of it.
Does that mean I should write Dwyane a nasty tweet because he wore IU shorts? How do you want us to react? Rage?
No. Not at all. I'm not enraged. Just disappointed. Disappointed in Wade and disappointed that so many of us don't seem to care. Maybe a touch irritated that TC has the need to keep pandering for Wade to promote him. The guy is going to have a team ranked in the top 3 to start the season, possibly #1. He had plenty of success at Marquette and can now say he's got Indiana back on the map. Why he has to keep using Wade, trying to make it seem as if he's an IU figure (and having Wade work out there, sending him IU gear to wear, that's exactly what he's doing and don't think for a minute he isn't conscious of it) when he has plenty of his own laurels to rest upon.
Not asking for anything. Just expressing my own feelings on the matter.
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No. Not at all. I'm not enraged. Just disappointed. Disappointed in Wade and disappointed that so many of us don't seem to care.
And what if everybody cared? Does it even matter? What are we going to do, start an email campaign to Dwyane telling him we are offended?
I just don't think it matters.
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I'm going to bow out now.
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But go ahead, name another NBA all-star who appears to have a closer relationship with his college coach than Wade.
Wow. First you say that no other player in the entire frackin' NBA respects his coach as much as Wade does Crean. When called out on that patently absurd and unproveable assertion, you (as always) move the goal posts about 80 yards and demand an NBA All Star who isn't just as close, but closer to his college coach than Crean.
In reality, neither you nor I have any frackin' idea of how close Wade is to Crean and where that relationship stands in the pantheon of NBA player/college coach lovefests. I don't particularly care, either, though I'd guess is it's fairly high up there given that TC is a master at cultivating relationships that can be useful to him.
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I just don't think it matters.
I get that. You already said that numerous times. I really thought we agreed to disagree. Shouldn't that have been the end?
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TC: Shameless self promoter (Seriously, name me one other professional Midwestern male who uses a tanning bed year round...) who used MU to get to IU and along the way got MU back on the map of elite CBB and brought us D Wade and Buzz.
Move on. No one else cares. Trust me, I live in the PNW and Marq has a great rep out here now because of Buzz and BTB Sweet 16 appearances. NO ONE else but you guys who have made this thread go on for 4 pages cares anymore about D Wade's and TC's relationship and who is braiding whose hair. Or what color Buzz paints his garage. Really?
Wade can wear whatever shorts he wants. I graduated from IU, too, BTW, and don't care. The die hard Warrior in me cares about Buzz and the present.
Next topic.....
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TC: Shameless self promoter (Seriously, name me one other professional Midwestern male who uses a tanning bed year round...) who used MU to get to IU and along the way got MU back on the map of elite CBB and brought us D Wade and Buzz.
Move on. No one else cares. Trust me, I live in the PNW and Marq has a great rep out here now because of Buzz and BTB Sweet 16 appearances. NO ONE else but you guys who have made this thread go on for 4 pages cares anymore about D Wade's and TC's relationship and who is braiding whose hair. Or what color Buzz paints his garage. Really?
Wade can wear whatever shorts he wants. I graduated from IU, too, BTW, and don't care. The die hard Warrior in me cares about Buzz and the present.
Next topic.....
KU too, aina?