Buzz and Homer join Dennis Krause tonite on Time Warner Sports 32 Roundtable at 5:30 ( and ( 10:30 ). Thats Time Warner in Milwaukee ( 32/332/1332 ).
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Quote from: Nukem2 on August 16, 2012, 10:20:45 AM
Buzz and Homer join Dennis Krause tonite on Time Warner Sports 32 Roundtable at 5:30 ( and ( 10:30 ). Thats Time Warner in Milwaukee ( 32/332/1332 ).
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The only downside to my having UVerse is that I don't get this channel. Oh, well.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on August 16, 2012, 10:56:49 AM
The only downside to my having UVerse is that I don't get this channel. Oh, well.
luckily I do have TWC, only downside is I dont get the NFL channel, but thats not a big loss.
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on August 16, 2012, 11:06:48 AM
luckily I do have TWC, only downside is I dont get the NFL channel, but thats not a big loss.
I'd much rather get NFL Network than TWC. SNY picks up the weekly Buzz show during the season and 99% of games. You can't get the Thursday NFL games anywhere else.
Quote from: Bocephys on August 16, 2012, 11:40:46 AM
I'd much rather get NFL Network than TWC. SNY picks up the weekly Buzz show during the season and 99% of games. You can't get the Thursday NFL games anywhere else.
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Chicos can probably hook ya up.
Watching it now... a lot of MU talk. His answer about Mayo was very interesting.
First of all, he'll be back. But Buzz mentioned that he's sent guys home all but one summer. Mentioned Fulce, Acker, even DJO and Jae, all did something wrong and he wanted them back hungrier. Said what Todd did wasn't anything worse than what those other guys did, and that he's academically eligible.
Going off of memory, hopefully TWC will put some video up of it.
The roundtable is always on at 4:30pm everyday as well.
Buzz was in a great mood and looked very happy!
Just tried to tune in and it said TWC32 was unavailable, try again later. Ugh
Quote from: MUEng92 on August 16, 2012, 05:59:32 PM
Just tried to tune in and it said TWC32 was unavailable, try again later. Ugh
Unplug the cable box, wait 11 seconds, plug back in again. Now, let it reboot.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 16, 2012, 07:07:54 PM
Unplug the cable box, wait 11 seconds, plug back in again. Now, let it reboot.
Great. Now 4ever is going to be the Scoop TWC guru.
Quote from: mupanther on August 16, 2012, 05:08:27 PM
The roundtable is always on at 4:30pm everyday as well.
Buzz was in a great mood and looked very happy!
Don't mess with happy.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on August 16, 2012, 07:54:43 PM
Don't mess with happy.
That's correct!! ;)
Buzz is very happy at Marquette.
Buzz said the storyline of the summer should be Tony Benford getting the job at North Texas.
We all have too much free time....
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T-shirt=decline of western civilization
There is one thing we know for sure...Rob=Chicos=Hoops ;)
Buzz very much .. belittled .. the Mayo story, like no big deal, he "screwed up" much like all the other guys he's sent home in the summer, Jae, DJO, Fulce, Acker, and "no one blogged" about those suspensions.
Can't help but scratch my head on the public part of this. Either his current story is sugar coated, or they just completely do not care what the public is discussing, vis a vis MU players' off-court performance / have no interest in correcting what's in the public arena.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 16, 2012, 10:55:55 PM
Buzz very much .. belittled .. the Mayo story, like no big deal, he "screwed up" much like all the other guys he's sent home in the summer, Jae, DJO, Fulce, Acker, and "no one blogged" about those suspensions.
Can't help but scratch my head on the public part of this. Either his current story is sugar coated, or they just completely do not care what the public is discussing, vis a vis MU players' off-court performance / have no interest in correcting what's in the public arena.
I think Buzz has no cares. I'm sure others at MU do. I've long thought Buzz cares a lot less about keeping airwaves clean than TC. I think Buzz sees the bad pr for players as learning opps for players rather than unwanted press for program.
Is there any way to rewatch this? I'm in Chicago and don't have TWC so if someone can point me in the right direction online that would be awesome, thanks.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 16, 2012, 10:55:55 PM
Buzz very much .. belittled .. the Mayo story, like no big deal, he "screwed up" much like all the other guys he's sent home in the summer, Jae, DJO, Fulce, Acker, and "no one blogged" about those suspensions.
Can't help but scratch my head on the public part of this. Either his current story is sugar coated, or they just completely do not care what the public is discussing, vis a vis MU players' off-court performance / have no interest in correcting what's in the public arena.
Yeah this sounds more like PR spin on the Mayo situation more than anything else. I mean, I know Crowder went home last summer - but the story on that was that he hadn't been home much in the previous couple of years. So that was a "suspension" too?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 16, 2012, 10:55:55 PM
Can't help but scratch my head on the public part of this. Either his current story is sugar coated, or they just completely do not care what the public is discussing, vis a vis MU players' off-court performance / have no interest in correcting what's in the public arena.
Or maybe we're all Buzz's children, and he's trying to teach all of us a life lesson.
Quote from: The Lens on August 16, 2012, 11:14:55 PM
I think Buzz has no cares. I'm sure others at MU do. I've long thought Buzz cares a lot less about keeping airwaves clean than TC. I think Buzz sees the bad pr for players as learning opps for players rather than unwanted press for program.
I think this nails it.
Buzz definitely is less concerned in general than MU. I guess if you knew if one $2.1m job didn't work out and you could replace it overnight it probably makes life easier. Buzz rolls his way and you take both the bad and the good with that.
Quote from: Goose on August 17, 2012, 10:44:17 AM
Buzz definitely is less concerned in general than MU. I guess if you knew if one $2.1m job didn't work out and you could replace it overnight it probably makes life easier. Buzz rolls his way and you take both the bad and the good with that.
That's one take on it. Another might be that institutions try to manage perceptions because they feel so vulnerable to them. An individual with a clear conscience doesn't need to worry. Of course it doesn't hurt if that individual is successful and sought after.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 17, 2012, 01:31:55 PM
That's one take on it. Another might be that institutions try to manage perceptions because they feel so vulnerable to them. An individual with a clear conscience doesn't need to worry. Of course it doesn't hurt if that individual is successful and sought after.
I would say that institutions manage perceptions, not because they feel vulnerable, it is because they are vulnerable. They must live with and response to the actions of their personnel, whether that's positive or negative.
And when it comes to college coaches, where only side (the coaches) hold and wield so much power, I completely understand why institutions would be insecure. If history as shown us anything in college athletics recently, it is that a successful coach holds all the cards and things like contracts, relationships, past success and institutional support do not matter. If a coach is going to make a move, he will move. They are independent operators to the utmost degree.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 16, 2012, 10:55:55 PM
Buzz very much .. belittled .. the Mayo story, like no big deal, he "screwed up" much like all the other guys he's sent home in the summer, Jae, DJO, Fulce, Acker, and "no one blogged" about those suspensions.
Did Buzz actually call sending the other guys home for the summer "suspensions?"
Lenny,
I hope you are right that it is clear conscience and not short memory.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on August 17, 2012, 02:12:48 PM
Did Buzz actually call sending the other guys home for the summer "suspensions?"
Yep.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on August 17, 2012, 02:12:48 PM
Did Buzz actually call sending the other guys home for the summer "suspensions?"
No, at least not with Acker. That one they annouced he was leaving the team altogether.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/49105126.html
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 17, 2012, 04:29:41 PM
No, at least not with Acker. That one they annouced he was leaving the team altogether.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/49105126.html
On yesterday's program, Buzz clearly stated that he suspended All, including Acker for screwing up. Guess Buzz just said Mo was leaving.
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 17, 2012, 04:29:41 PM
No, at least not with Acker. That one they annouced he was leaving the team altogether.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/49105126.html
Gotta be honest, this disappoints me. I so want Buzz to be the guy who is straight up, no spin, like he wants to project himself. I so want to believe that image, that Buzz says what he means, means what he says, and we can trust that.
Clearly, Acker left the team and shouldn't be lumped in with "DJO, Jae, Fulce, Mayo" who were "suspended" .. or were they? Or did Buzz just "send them home" because he thought they needed a break and didn't "screw up" as he suggested .. so as to further sugar coat the Mayo thing.
Unknown.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 17, 2012, 04:47:06 PM
Gotta be honest, this disappoints me. I so want Buzz to be the guy who is straight up, no spin, like he wants to project himself. I so want to believe that image, that Buzz says what he means, means what he says, and we can trust that.
Clearly, Acker left the team and shouldn't be lumped in with "DJO, Jae, Fulce, Mayo" who were "suspended" .. or were they? Or did Buzz just "send them home" because he thought they needed a break and didn't "screw up" as he suggested .. so as to further sugar coat the Mayo thing.
Unknown.
I don't think he was meaning to say all those situations were exactly the same. At least that's how I interpreted it.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 17, 2012, 04:47:06 PM
Gotta be honest, this disappoints me. I so want Buzz to be the guy who is straight up, no spin, like he wants to project himself. I so want to believe that image, that Buzz says what he means, means what he says, and we can trust that.
Clearly, Acker left the team and shouldn't be lumped in with "DJO, Jae, Fulce, Mayo" who were "suspended" .. or were they? Or did Buzz just "send them home" because he thought they needed a break and didn't "screw up" as he suggested .. so as to further sugar coat the Mayo thing.
Unknown.
I think it shows that Buzz will make the players toe the line. Sending them home for the summer in theory hurts the team, beacuse they are not practicing with them. I guess now I will assume that any player that goes home for the summer has been sent home by Buzz. I do not think Buzz should say anything about it. However, if he does then he should b e upfront as much as possible with the fans so there is not rampant speculation.
All I know is if Buzz wants the guys to toe the line he is either extremely strict or failing big time. We have had more suspensions last year than the previous decade combined. Not to be anti Buzz, and I am not, he might be failing and that is part of problem with him and Larry.
Quote from: bilsu on August 17, 2012, 06:27:59 PM
However, if he does then he should be upfront as much as possible with the fans so there is not rampant speculation.
Agree totally. I get slammed for saying this, but I do not see the benefit to letting the public fill in the blanks .. they (we) always come up with stories worse than the truth.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 17, 2012, 09:58:54 PM
Agree totally. I get slammed for saying this, but I do not see the benefit to letting the public fill in the blanks .. they (we) always come up with stories worse than the truth.
You're right, but is the coach/administration even allowed to "come clean"? Aren't there protactions in place for seudent athletes that preclude this?
Does anyone have a link yet?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 17, 2012, 10:43:31 PM
You're right, but is the coach/administration even allowed to "come clean"? Aren't there protactions in place for seudent athletes that preclude this?
I'm not recommending a play by play of what happened. While the public's imagination will always fill in the blanks, they need to be pointed in the least harmful direction (that's truthful.) I think this boils down to 2 items .. a category of the infraction, and an intensity level/whether the player is dismissed.
So if Mayo was suspended could he still play ball while he was in South Africa?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 18, 2012, 09:00:18 AM
So if Mayo was suspended could he still play ball while he was in South Africa?
Sure.
I am hopoing he went to South Africa with his brother and practiced daily with him.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 18, 2012, 09:00:18 AM
So if Mayo was suspended could he still play ball while he was in South Africa?
Yeah, there was the equivalent of the Scion Pro-Am goin' on. Pretty sure Mayo was on either the Zombie or Watusi roster.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 18, 2012, 08:38:43 AM
I'm not recommending a play by play of what happened. While the public's imagination will always fill in the blanks, they need to be pointed in the least harmful direction (that's truthful.) I think this boils down to 2 items .. a category of the infraction, and an intensity level/whether the player is dismissed.
Even if he provided just that and nothing else, the fan base would take that and run with it, too. No matter what he says, it'll be parsed and analyzed and over-analyzed so he probably just says what he means and leaves it at that. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, and besides, the head coach doesn't answer to the general public anyway.
Quote from: Goose on August 17, 2012, 08:19:59 PM
All I know is if Buzz wants the guys to toe the line he is either extremely strict or failing big time. We have had more suspensions last year than the previous decade combined. Not to be anti Buzz, and I am not, he might be failing and that is part of problem with him and Larry.
Wow, you do know that you put a "kick me" sign on your back with this post, right?
i.e.;
1. There is a problem between Buzz and LW.
2. Buzz might be "failing big time" in controlling the team.
3. Buzz's "failure" could be contributing to his problem with LW.
No one has been able to show that there is any kind of an ongoing problem or dispute between Buzz and LW, especially not using the words of either man.
You did say that an alternative to Buzz "failing big time" was that he was extremely strict. Buzz may be being strict, he takes seriously watching out for the players in the program, but I think that calling him "extremely" strict goes too far.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 18, 2012, 12:05:55 PM
Yeah, there was the equivalent of the Scion Pro-Am goin' on. Pretty sure Mayo was on either the Zombie or Watusi roster.
I believe ZFB once played for the Ubangi squad.
LittleMurs
I do not know if he is extremely strict or not. Was only mentioning because of the extremely high number of suspensions over past twelve months.
Quote from: 96warrior on August 19, 2012, 01:00:43 PM
Even if he provided just that and nothing else, the fan base would take that and run with it, too. No matter what he says, it'll be parsed and analyzed and over-analyzed so he probably just says what he means and leaves it at that. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, and besides, the head coach doesn't answer to the general public anyway.
This:
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 17, 2012, 09:58:54 PM
I get slammed for saying this, but I do not see the benefit to letting the public fill in the blanks .. they (we) always come up with stories worse than the truth.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 19, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
This:
Right, but whether he says nothing or he says everything, doesn't matter. The public is going to fill in whatever blanks they perceive with conjecture and assumptions anyway. In other words, the public is always going to fill in the blanks even when there aren't really any blanks there. They'll make up some blanks and fill those in.
The Mayo situation is a perfect example. In the void of information, the public/us internet nerds, filled in the blanks with 'Mayo is flunking out, he's done at MU.'
This week, Buzz comes out and says otherwise, that it's something he's done to many other players, sending them home for (part of) the summer, Mayo will be back. The void of information is far smaller, and I'd submit, it becomes impossible to fill it with something as negative as 'Mayo is flunking out' -- gossip which hurts both Mayo and the program.
What I'm hearing is the reason for the Mayo suspension is similar to the reason a player was suspended in '2008-2009. I'm trying to share info without rocking the boat too much. Some of you will know what im saying. Sounds like he was able to step it up academically to his credit and get his act together. He is a good kid much like the player in 2008-2009 who rebounded with a nice season. Sometimes good kids have a lapse in judgement. It happens. I expect big things from Todd as he is fully commited to a big season.
Never mind.